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Why Russian Space Images Look Different From NASA's

An anonymous reader writes "The Russians have published two amazing photos of Earth using their new Elektro-L satellite, in 30,000km high orbit around the equator. The quality is stunning, and they look quite different from NASA's Earth images. But why are they different? And are they better than NASA's?"

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  1. Why are they different? by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 2

    Well, they're in Russian, for one thing.

  2. Re:borked link by Koyaanisqatsi · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually it is faulty the 1st time you click the link

    After it sets its cookies it works fine ...

  3. Please don't link to Gizmodo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Gizmodo redirects any traffic to their localized versions. For example, I'm in Brazil and if I follow the link provided in the summary, they redirect me to http://www.gizmodo.com.br/#!5787176/this-is-the-moon-and-the-earth-like-you-have-never-seen-them-before -- that doesn't exist and goes to the front page of the localized version.

    Note that I both my OS and browser are in English. I even made sure that my "preferred language for displaying pages" are only English. I guess they do the redirection based on IP only, and find that quite rude.

    1. Re:Please don't link to Gizmodo by marcelo.mosca · · Score: 2

      Replacing www.gawkersite.com.br with us.gakwersite.com on the url fixes it.
      And yes, I also think it is annoying.

    2. Re:Please don't link to Gizmodo by KiloByte · · Score: 3, Informative

      Fixed link: http://us.gizmodo.com/#!5787176/this-is-the-moon-and-the-earth-like-you-have-never-seen-them-before.

      Pages that try to detect your language and present it in-place are just retarded, whatever using Accept-Language like you suggest or based on IP (Gizmodo, Google, YouTube, ...). Landing pages that 302 you to a language edition or offer a manual choice are fine -- they don't break bookmarks or links.

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  4. Bla by vbraga · · Score: 4, Informative

    In my experience with remote sensing better looking means nothing. What matters is the what kind of information we're able to extract from images. Like:

    http://www.sciencephoto.com/images/download_wm_image.html/E750009-F._colour_Landsat_image_of_a_reservoir_in_Virginia-SPL.jpg?id=697500009

    This a useful Landsat image (or composition, actually). It's also very ugly. But it's very useful.

    We often had a guy to make a few beautiful images. Do the composition in the GIS software we used normally and our designed retouched it on Photoshop. People often went "wow" when looking at it but it was useless.

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  5. Whatever by QuantumG · · Score: 2

    Terrible article.. what's amazing here is that a whole mess of satellites have been launched to GEO but this is the first time anyone bothered to release photos from the altitude to the public. Isn't it glorious to see the entire Earth in one frame?!

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    1. Re:Whatever by maxume · · Score: 2

      Dish Network has a camera on one of their satellites, and of course they have a channel showing what the camera sees.

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    2. Re:Whatever by Truth+is+life · · Score: 3, Informative

      NOAA (who is the one responsible for most American earth observation satellites, not NASA, although I'd hardly expect the Slashdot editors to know that subtlety) has been releasing image data from the GOES satellites to the public for a while. "GOES" stands for "Geostationary Operational Environmental Satellite," so yes, they are in geostationary orbit.

  6. Re:borked link by sproketboy · · Score: 5, Informative

    Gizmodo always does that. The links all revert to their home page like the fucken inbred assholes that they are.

    Remove the "#!" part.

    http://gizmodo.com/5787176/this-is-the-moon-and-the-earth-like-you-have-never-seen-them-before

  7. 1st and I hope last time on gizmodo by leehwtsohg · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Oh, gizmodo is horrible. First it took me to the german site, which didn't have the article. Then, after lots of manipulation (click the little 'US' label on the left top), I got to the article, but couldn't figure out how to close the stupid window that covers half of the cool image they're talking about.

    But, to the subject: Isn't it fairly obvious why the russian image looks better? Look: compare the NASA image: http://visibleearth.nasa.gov/view_rec.php?id=2429 to the russian one: http://www.russianspaceweb.com/images/spacecraft/application/weather/elektro/earth_disk1_1.jpg One obvious difference - in the NASA image, clouds have no shadow, in the russian one they do. That makes the NASA image look flat, and the russian one jump out in 3D. Why that is, I'm not sure.

    1. Re:1st and I hope last time on gizmodo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The blue marble image is a composite image of many different pictures and sources taken at different times. The cloud layer was taked seperately from the other layers and stitched on to become part of the entire image. The Russian picture, however, is from one single image and is how the earth looked at that moment.

    2. Re:1st and I hope last time on gizmodo by leehwtsohg · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, I think you are right. And the cloud layer has some obvious photoshop artifacts.. strange. (go left from panama, you'll hit a cloud with w hole, and a bit further left, another cloud with a hole. These two clouds and the region around them are pixel copies of each other. That was pointed to in a comment on gizmodo)

    3. Re:1st and I hope last time on gizmodo by yoshi_mon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, that site is a mess if you are using NoScript. I normally will allow the site itself and see if that will fix it but it did not. So rather than allowing the 5+ data-mining addresses to operate I just will do without.

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    4. Re:1st and I hope last time on gizmodo by sjames · · Score: 2

      I had to pull up the DOM Inspector, locate the stupid window in the code and delete it to view the page properly.

    5. Re:1st and I hope last time on gizmodo by Geheimagent · · Score: 2

      Panama? I only see an image of Africa and Asia.

      See?! That proves it's photoshopped, They even forgot to put in parts of America.

  8. They are just different visualizations of reality by screamphilling · · Score: 5, Funny

    "the Russian images are not better or worse than their images. They are just different visualizations of reality based on different data sets" and this sums up nearly everything ever.

  9. Re:borked link by melikamp · · Score: 5, Informative
  10. Re:borked link by presidenteloco · · Score: 2

    It's definitely borked still if you're on an iPhone. Goes to m. then fails to find the link. Also trying to localize. What a godawful mess of site disfunction.

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  11. tl;dr by Beardydog · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Russian photos are made entirely of data from red and infrared sensors. The NASA Blue Marble image is a completely, tragically fake rendering, with visible polygon vertices... but mapped with photos from beautiful RGB sensors.

  12. Re:Gizmodo? Seriously? by mgrochmal · · Score: 2

    Reading The Friendly Article should not be summarily banned.

    For those who don't know why: http://www.russianspaceweb.com/elektro.html

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  13. summaries should summarize, not tease. by doug141 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The russian photos in question combine infra-red with visible wavelengths. They are not better, just different.

  14. Stop linking to Gizmodo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    These clowns can't produce reliable URLs. Don't reward them with links.

    The image.

  15. aral sea by christ0s · · Score: 2

    wow there's really nothing left of the aral sea?

  16. One word... by PPH · · Score: 2

    ... Kodachromeski.

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  17. If you fool me once, then fool me again.... by Cameleopard · · Score: 3, Funny

    Curses! You tricked me into visiting Gizmodo. I will tolerate no more of your cretinous games!

  18. Resolution is just resolution... by Hynee · · Score: 2

    These images look nice, interesting angles. They probably look slick because they've been post resized sharpened, the smaller versions on Gizmodo have been gently sharpened to make them pop a bit, it's a common photographic trick.
    Even if you have a sharp 12-24 megapixel image, it can always use some sharpening when it's downsized for the web. If you don't sharpen after downsizing, photographs still look great but not as crisp as they could.
    (And yes, if you sharpen the full size image and then downsize, the downsizing obliterates the sharpening done at full size.)

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  19. Re:Possibly Nasa is doctoring their images by sjames · · Score: 2

    Quite the opposite really. The Russian image is mostly from the infrared actually, so the colors are necessarily false. As realistic as it seems, that's not something the naked eye can ever see. It is a really nice artistic rendering, but probably not what they use for analysis.

  20. In a Nutshell: by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    Beauty is subjective, but the Russian version seems to have 3 key things going for it:

    1. It's taken with the sun at the side instead of behind the craft, making for deeper cloud shadows.

    2. The NASA image was probably taken through different color/wavelength filters (as described in TFA) and the clouds and/or the craft move a bit between filter changes, blurring the clouds in the re-combined images. The Russian one used a camera that works more like commercial cameras: different sub-pixels for different colors sampled at the same time rather than filtering one color at a time.

    3. Because the Russians use a near-infrared wavelength in place of a visible-length color (also described in the TFA), the result has a reddish tint because of the way vegetation reflects light. Red and orange tint tends to appear sharper and brighter to most people than green, giving the images a subjectively sharper look. TFA didn't mention this sharpness affect, but as an amateur artist, I have noticed it.

  21. Re:borked link by Nemyst · · Score: 4, Informative

    Thank god the old site is still there and works even better:

    http://ca.gizmodo.com/5787176/this-is-the-moon-and-the-earth-like-you-have-never-seen-them-before

    (the ca. prefix is applicable to all Gawker sites, couldn't live without it)

  22. Re:Look worse. by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

    From the article: "The images . . . are a combination of visible and near-infrared wavelengths, so they show the Earth in a way not visible to human eyes (vegetation looks red, for example). They're not any better or worse than NASA images, but they show different things.". The Russian satellite just takes pictures using different wavelengths. I think the NASA pictures do not use as much near-infrafred.

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