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Robots Dive Deep To Solve Airliner Crash Mystery
coondoggie writes "A small squadron of undersea robots has begun to conduct a 4-month, 3,900 square mile search of Atlantic Ocean bottom looking for the deep-sea wreck site of and black boxes from Air France Flight 447 which crashed off the coast of Brazil nearly two years ago. The Air France plane was flying from Rio de Janeiro to Paris, when for exact reasons that remain a mystery, it crashed into the Atlantic Ocean on June 1, 2009, taking with it 228 souls."
Am I moving at 0.90c or does that seem like it just happened yesterday?
Am I moving at 0.90c or does that seem like it just happened yesterday?
Totally, I felt like it was last summer!
Charles Widmore can do that by going to the island and turning the wheel.
Carcasses.. Cadavers.. ugly bags of water... friends... family... strangers.. Not souls, unless you're some religious freak
sure there's spots in defense/offense, & the deception disciplines. for the rest of us, positions in our ongoing holycostal, god approved, depopulation, is an option? the right to remain silent remains well enjoyed by us.
Charles Widmoore? Airliner crash yesterday? Two years ago? Is this the California computer guy? I thought his wreckage was found. And that was in the moutains. I am so confuuzed and dased !! It's all the wine they give us priests so we're too drunk to moleste the little girls. Ha! Ha! That's a joke. Of course it's the little boys !
228 bungholes?
Isn't this the flight that flew right into a huge huge storm that was obscured on their radar by a smaller storm which was safe enough to fly through. As soon as the larger storm was in view, it was too late to change course and fly around it. I heard the most likely case is extreme icing of the sensors that monitor airflow, causing autopilot to disengage as the plane no longer knew its own speed. Without any way to know the current speed, the plane lost altitude and crashed, due to a small window of safe speeds that don't result in altitude loss.
Morphing Software
I knew Kia's were small cars, but I had no idea you could fit so many on a plane.
This sentence no verb.
Am I moving at 0.90c or does that seem like it just happened yesterday?
That was the first thing I thought too. To be fair, it was 22 months ago, and not a full two years, but still... where does the time go?
Could've sworn that I heard the plane crashed due to the 100mph winds in the storm it flew into...?
Doesn't that assume that everyone on board had souls? I'm sure there were at least a few lawyers and/or politicians on board. Or does that number adjust for the soulless?
Satis clankiller.com
Most of this crash story has not been told yet. It involves France vs. America, Airbus vs. Boeing, spy vs. spy, defense contractor against defense contractor," you killed our people and now we kill your people," "but you stole our contract with sabotage" blah blah blah type stuff.... the real story has yet to be told and probably never will be told.
Can we call them people instead of Souls? While less dramatic, I only care about people as opposed to metaphysical concepts. I know when people say souls, they're really thinking about people, but come on. I don't need drama in my news, I can do the emotional math on 228 people dying myself.
I would think at least 0.9999 C at least.
I write flight diagnostic software , special software the tries to determine the root cause after number of BIT/and OR ACARS messages. I was especially interested in this flight. Thank god the air bus aircraft sent the ACARS messages otherwise we would have no idea what happened to it. Nova video is pretty convincing. Especially when in the flight simulator , and they cause a simulated air speed failure. The exact same ACARS messages are produced by the simulator that were produced by flight 447. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/space/crash-flight-447.html . NOVA concluded bad weather caused the failure of the air speed sensors (pito tubes). Air speed sensor failure cause the auto pilot to fail, which turned the cockpit into a christmas tree of error and warning lights. Finally, pilot error in which they didn't react quickly enough .The pilots had to react quickly enough and apply just the right amount thrust and pitch to avoid a dramatic stall. The plane final injuries were consistent with dramatic stall, literally falling strait down out of the sky.
Well at 0.90c, two years would seem like 138 days..... if you feel like it happened just yesterday, you'd need to be going approximately 0.9999991c (and no, that's not a random number of 9's there).
I KNEW someone was going to calculate this and shove it in my face. That, folks, is why i love slashdot :D
Thanks for doing what I was too lazy to do...... 0.9999991c is pretty fast. What Warp Factor is that?
I KNEW someone was going to calculate this and shove it in my face. That, folks, is why i love slashdot :D
Thanks for doing what I was too lazy to do...... 0.9999991c is pretty fast. What Warp Factor is that?
less than warp 1
The search for this black box has been dragging on and on. I remember a few months back when it seemed that the French government was going to give up the search, given that it's cost quite a bit of money already. Other than humanist pride (which is worth more than we might say prima facie), I can't think of a goal that will be reached by furthering this search that's commensurate with the cost.
Were there some (sons or daughters or grand-nieces) of some well-connected people on that flight? (A quick search reveals no name I can place: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447#Notable_passengers).
langoliers
Yes, but I think the actual answer is warp factor 0.33333
Maybe it seems more recent because there has been only one other fatal commercial airliner crash in the "rich world"(Western Europe, the US, and Japan) since then, and even then only 7 people died. In fact, I'm pretty sure(though I don't have any data on it, tried finding it and couldn't), the US is now at a record number of days in a row without a commercial airliner crash. The last fatal commercial airliner crash in the US was in early 2009(Colgan air). There hasn't been one in Japan since 1994*(a freight plane did crash at Narita in 2009). Now granted there are a lot less "commuter" flights in Japan due to the countries small size and excellent high speed rail service, but that is still pretty impressive.
Monstar L
Please surrender your geek card on the way out.
Divide a cake by zero. Is it still a cake?
This is an excellent Nova documentary on the disappearance of Flight 447. It is interesting how investigators were able to give a reasonable hypothesis as to what happened, even without the black boxes. The long and the short of it is that they think super-cooled liquid water from a serious thunderstorm overcame the pitot anti-icing heating systems, freezing over all of the pitots and thus depriving the computer of airspeed data. The computer probably panicked, suddenly switching off the autopilot (they did get data from the computer, as its satellite uplink gave some telemetry). Pilots are capable of flying without airspeed readings, but only if they react quickly. They think that prior to flying into a severe thunderstorm, the computer automatically reduced thrust, in order to slow down in anticipation of turbulence. The problem is that the only pilot feedback that the thrust was reduced would have been a tiny circle on a computer monitor...there is no physical feedback in the throttle levers in Airbus planes. The computer then probably switched off the autopilot, overwhelming the pilots with a sequence of warnings. The thrust likely remained at 70% and the pilots probably didn't realize it. After a minute so the airplane may have lost so much airspeed from the low thrust that it became unflyable, in effect causing the crash.
Give this Nova episode a try...it is very detailed, going into many technical aspects of airplane design.
This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when first he appears as a protector - Plato (423 to 327 BC)
AF447 was downed by human evil, terror bombing or missile strike. Probably the same case as TW800, sparks created in the centre fuel tanks, because a US Navy missile hit it. I hope the french will be able to find the black boxes and uncover the mystery. I think USA may have downed the AF447 to oust the Airbus A-330 plane from the USAF aerial refuel competition to help the ancient B-767 win. America and the zionist entitity are full of very evil and scheming people. I hope the truth will out and all of Europe will cancel F-35 JSF purchases in retaliation and standardize on the Eurofighter (heavy) and Gripen (light) jetfighter combo.
My favorite blogging pilot posted an article about the Nova documentary. It is an interesting read and he comments on the documentary from an airline pilot's point of view. I have been reading his blog for a while. He is flying Airbus himself, so he has quite a bit of knowledge about the airplanes.
Here is the link: http://flightlevel390.blogspot.com/2011/02/af-447-part-3.html
Nova seems to have oversimplyfied a bit.
WTF is wrong with people? Is there some sort of selection bias that people uncreative enough to survive a trudge through 4 years of undergraduate studies are two retarded to design failsafe systems?
No matter how many back-up systems you have, stupid people will always find a way to fuck it up.
Take this accident for instance:
the pilot didn't put the engine with the failed thrust reverser on idle
If any one of those facts hadn't happened there wouldn't have been an accident. It was the combination of all five of them that caused the crash.
If only the runway had been a little longer, if only it hadn't rained, if only the runway were grooved, if only the thrust reverser were working, if only the pilot had followed the correct procedure for landing with a failed reverser.
You are probably right, although it is interesting to make note of a crash of a Spanish airliner which occurred around that timeframe and turned out to be caused by malware aboard their avionics system. Now that's scary????