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Obama Administration Wants Your Old Email

Nemesisghost wrote to us with a story about attempts to reform the 1986 Electronic Communications Privacy Act. Under the act, messages left on a server are considered abandoned after six months and are trivially subpoenaed by law enforcement. A group of ISPs is lobbying to extend the protections afforded to locally stored messages to messages stored on third party servers, but the Obama administration is urging Congress not to reform the law.

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  1. Re:Obama acomplishments by nomadic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nope, completely wrong; the left wing die hards have been criticizing him for a while. It's the moderates who like him. I'm a little disappointed in how he's done, though even now he is still head and shoulders above GWB, or how McCain would have been.

  2. Re:Obama acomplishments by Giometrix · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm pretty sure real left diehards are cursing him too.

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  3. One good reason to avoid webmail. by jedidiah · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well here would be one big reason to avoid webmail or outsourced mail servers in general.

    Although most people really aren't "geeky" enough to avoid having someone else handle their email server. This law is just attempting to take advantage of the average n00b's clueless and disorganized nature....

    +...calling something at the bottom of that big pile on your desk "abandoned".

    They should enforce a standard like that for out of print creative works...

    It's all just a part of the Corporate/Individual double standard that both parties heartily embrace.

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    1. Re:One good reason to avoid webmail. by niftydude · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you are worried about privacy, then you shouldn't use outsourced webmail at all.

      I was astounded to find out the other day that on yahoo mail servers, the word delete doesn't mean what you think it means. It just ticks a bit in a db field which prevents the email showing in your inbox and being counted in your quota.

      However, the yahoo coders were too incompetent to leave the emails out of the search function.

      Imagine my surprise when I performed a search recently, and emails I had deleted and emptied from my trash in 2007 showed up!!!

      Are those emails considered abandoned (since I marked them as deleted) and available under this new legislation?
      There is no privacy in the cloud.

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  4. Cloud Computing by denshao2 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Is my old data on a cloud based system considered abandoned if I continue to actively use the system but don't touch some items?

  5. Re:Obama acomplishments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, Obama stopped the war and thank god he closed Gitmo! He's way better than G Dub!

  6. Not totally against this. by mywhitewolf · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So they would require an additional warrant to investigate additional email addresses for emails older than 6 months? if someone had a PO box and a residential post box, does the law require 2 warrants to search each of the post boxes? the legal requirement should match this.

    However I disagree with the consideration that emails on a web server that are 6 months old on are abandoned.. i have 6 year old emails on the web that i still refer to occasionally, with a push to the more efficient cloud computing its important to recognize this, a web based email account should be considered the same as a PO box as far as privacy is concerned.

  7. Abandonment Term by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Let's increase this term to Life + 95 years for e-mails sent by people, 120 years for those sent by corporations (including works for hire). For e-mails that are in the outbox, drafts, or any other unsent mail, it's life + 95 years, or 120 years from the date of creation, whichever is shorter.

  8. Re:Obama acomplishments by PeeAitchPee · · Score: 5, Insightful

    he is still head and shoulders above GWB

    We're still in Iraq. We're still in Afghanistan. He's started a third war in Libya. Gitmo is still open. Unemployment is still way too high. We're still broke and spending more than we ever have. The Patriot Act is still around and the Administration continues to press on with other initiatives which erode the rights of American citizens. So, exactly how is BHO "head and shoulders above GWB"?

  9. Obama Brought back Jobs and Growth by bit+trollent · · Score: 4, Informative

    Look at this chart.

    That chart shows that Barack Obama saved the economy from the Republican engineered disaster.

    A decade of Republican policies brought us an economic disaster. Barack Obama brought us back to growth and put us on the path for prosparity.

    We may wish it was faster, but every competent software developer already has a job, and the economy is only getting better. Err.. it was until the Republican party decided to shut down the government for the second time in as many decades.

    The people who complain that our recovery isn't fast enough advocate the policies (of insane deregulation) that brought us the economic disaster in the first place. And now of course they are doing their best to kill the recovery before it reaches the rest of the country.

    Just like they want to kill health care reform before it saves to many lives.

    1. Re:Obama Brought back Jobs and Growth by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      it takes away the individual right to choose

      What right do you think you have to "choose"? You've got to be kidding.

      Here you go:

      1) Coverage can not be denied to children with pre-existing conditions.
      2) Adults up to age 26 can stay on their parents' health plans.
      3) Free preventive care.
      4) Rescinding coverage is now illegal.
      5) Eliminating lifetime limits on insurance coverage.
      6) Restricting annual limits on insurance coverage.
      7) More options to appeal coverage decisions.
      8) $5 billion in immediate federal support to affordable Coverage for the Uninsured with Pre-existing Conditions.
      9) $10 billion investment in Community Health Centers.
      10) Create immediate access to re-insurance for employer health plans providing coverage for early retirees.
      11) Made an $80 billion deal with the pharmaceutical industry to contribute to cut prescription drug costs for the nation's seniors reduce the size of the "donut hole" in the Medicare (Part D) Drug Benefit.
      12) Provides a $250 rebate to 750,000 Medicare Beneficiaries who reach the Part D coverage gap in 2010. As of March 22, 2011, 3.8 million beneficiaries had received a $250 check to close the coverage gap, according to an HHS report.
      13) Businesses with fewer than 50 employees will get tax credits covering up to 35% of employee premiums effective 2011 and a 50% tax credit effective 2013.
      14) Creates a state option to provide Medicaid coverage to childless adults with incomes up to 133% of the federal poverty level. By 2014, States are required to provide this coverage.
      15) Provides a 10% Medicare bonus payment for primary care services and also a 10% Medicare bonus payment to general surgeons practicing in health professional shortage areas.
      16) Medical Loss Ratio (MLR) requires that insurance companies spend at least 80 to 85 percent of the proportion of the premium dollars on clinical services. As an example, WellPoint's Anthem Blue Cross unit in California has reduced its proposed rate increase

      But you're concerned about having the "right" to choose to go to an emergency room if you get sick so the rest of us can pay for it. Fuck you.

      Obama's a disappointment for a lot of reasons. But taking away your "right" to leech off the rest of us by not having health insurance is not one of them. And the health care reform act is not one of them. I'd have preferred a single-payer system similar to the ones the rest of the world have, because it will cost less, but this one is a big improvement over what we had before.

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    2. Re:Obama Brought back Jobs and Growth by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As a person with two nurses and a doctor in the family do you want to know the REAL reason our system is completely broken? You do? The answer is simple: we save a penny and spend a pound it is as simple as that. Let me give an example of one my mom had to work on...

      37 year old male, working poor, couldn't get a tooth extracted. Cost of the tooth? maybe $700 if he needs an oral surgeon. But to the working poor that may as well be $700,000 because both are out of reach, since they are living hand to mouth. Neither the state nor the fed will pay for preventive care like that. So what?

      Well instead you got to pay for the new valves for his heart and a month in the hospital getting antibiotics because the infected tooth spread infection into his bloodstream and it attacked his heart. It is actually quite common, the actor Andy Hallet died from it. Cost? I'd say around $300,000 easy.

      And THAT, that right there, is the problem. Instead of adopting a sane system where the poor could get preventive medicine we instead pay outrageous prices to take care of them when they are at death's door, when it costs CRAZY money to put them back on their feet. if either the state or the fed would have paid that $700 we wouldn't have had a $300,000 bill passed on to the government. Does the current system make ANY sense?

      As for TFA, meet the new boss, yada yada. That is why we need multiple parties here, because what we have is an "El Presidente" banana republic going on, where it doesn't matter which you vote for they BOTH want more power for themselves and less rights for you, they BOTH want to stuff their pockets and pay off their cronies. The ONLY difference between the two is which asses get kissed the most and neither give a shit about the country or the people.

      The Ds prefer the taste of big media and union ass, while the Rs prefer the corporate and MIC ass. That's it. Otherwise it is the same shit, different day. And if the Rs run anybody but Caribou Barbie they'll win by a landslide because so many are sick of Obama's bullshit.

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  10. Technological equivalency by Compaqt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If the people don't have the right to be secure in their papers and effects (by extension, computers and emails), what right does the government have (by extension) to
    -buy weapons systems that didn't exist when the Constitution was written?
    -set up a cyberspace command?
    -use electronic money?

    When interpreting the people's rights, it's always done to the letter. When interpreting the government's rights, it's done expansively. [/rant]

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  11. Re:Obama acomplishments by MBGMorden · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Anyone who thought those items were even slightly possible drank waaay too deeply from the ultra-liberal kool-aide.

    Delusional...

    Anyone who thinks them impossible has become to brainwashed by the political tendency (by both parties) to keep saying something until people believe it.

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  12. Re:Obama acomplishments by sqrt(2) · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Left-wing die hards ARE the ones cursing him! Obama is not a leftist, he is a socially moderate pro-business Democrat. Look at his handouts to the media industry (appointments of industry insiders to high positions in his administration) and favorable treatment to business with tax (they practically let GE write their own tax code). Even the much derided "socialist" Obamacare was in actuality a massive government give away to insurance and pharmaceutical companies. Real socialized medicine reform wouldn't have allowed those two players to have a seat at the negotiating table, it's impossible to balance their interests (profits) with the idea of covering everyone because the people in most need of care are the least profitable to insure. He does no better on foreign policy. He hasn't closed Gitmo, has made no real progress divesting us in the Iraq or Afghanistan adventures, and has in fact added a third mid-East country to our list of active military engagements; Libya--although that is only in an air-war capacity, similar to America's involvement in the war in the Balkans under Clinton.

    I voted for him the first time. I wanted a real left-wing president to bring the US back on course after so many years of disastrous right-wing imperialist policies that nearly brought our economy to the point of utter collapse, increased inequality to points nearly as high as our nation has ever seen in its history, and squandered the good will of the world that we had just barely started to win back.

    Obama is NOT a socialist, and that's a shame, because that's what the US needed. It is what we still need.

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  13. Re:Obama acomplishments by nomadic · · Score: 5, Informative

    Not only that GWB has a MBA from Harvard. 0 has kept his records closed, why is that do you suppose? Don't the American people deserve to see the school accomplishments of the "smartest President ever"? What was his SAT/ACT score I wonder?

    He graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School.

  14. Re:Obama acomplishments by fred911 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We spend 100 million a week in Libya without any debate except to cut more social services and prohibit collective bargaining.

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  15. Re:Obama acomplishments by bmo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    >Don't forget that instead of universal health care he got us a universal requirement to purchase private insurance.

    Which was a Republican Idea (TM).

    This is how it works:

    Republicans come up with something on their own.
    Democrats come up with something on their own.
    Republicans vehemently oppose the Democrats' ideas.
    Democrats cave, and adopt a Republican idea
    Republicans vehemently oppose the Democrats' Idea (formerly republican) because there are "points to score"
    Democrats get the formerly Republican idea through and signed and call it victory.
    Republicans wail and gnash their teeth calling Obama a Communist Nazi Jew (Go back to Canada) etc. for passing a Republican idea.

    This country is fucked.

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  16. Re:Obama acomplishments by Shakrai · · Score: 4, Informative

    If it were McCain right now we'd already be rounding Arabs up into concentration camps (whoops "internment camps")

    I hate to break it to you but the only President that ever did that was a Democrat.

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  17. Re:Obama acomplishments by s4m7 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The concept of the individual health insurance mandate originated in 1989 at the conservative Heritage Foundation. In 1993, Republicans twice introduced health care bills that contained an individual health insurance mandate. Advocates for those bills included prominent Republicans who today oppose the mandate including Orrin Hatch (R-UT), Charles Grassley (R-IA), Robert Bennett (R-UT), and Christopher Bond (R-MO). http://healthcarereform.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=004182

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  18. Re:Obama acomplishments by Keen+Anthony · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually, and this is an area were too many people are absolutely clueless, the military incurs costs whether its engaged in a war or not. Obviously, the military doesn't sit conveniently in a cabinet until the president is ready to pop open the DVD case and load the game. Also, the assumption people make regarding Libya is that the choice we faced was either spend zero money dealign with the Libyan situation or spend a lot of money. I believe the President and his Chiefs have more and better information than any Slashdotter. The President's choice, for all any outsider knows, may have been the least expensive option. Finally, the fact that Libya is a third hot spot means nothing. You didn't bring that up, but others did. The US military is more than capable of being in three places at once. In fact, we're not just in three places. What the military cannot handle is a government shutdown that results in military families not getting the money they need to live on. Most of the military lives paycheck to paycheck in communities that have survived only because of military bases. Often these communities are part of the Republican base. A government shutdown will quickly kill local economies that rely on the military. Ironically, if Republicans give in to the desires of the Tea Party, much of the ordinary Republican base will be hurt.