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Tennessee Bill Helps Teachers Challenge Evolution

sciencehabit writes "In a 70-28 vote yesterday, the Tennessee House of Representatives passed HB 368 (PDF), a bill that encourages science teachers to explore controversial topics without fear of reprisal. Critics say the measure will enable K-12 teachers to present intelligent design and creationism as acceptable alternatives to evolution in the classroom. If the bill passes, Tennessee would join Louisiana as the second state to have specific 'protection' for the teaching of evolution in the classroom."

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  1. My school prayer by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I pray that the day after this law passes, a biology teacher somewhere in the state walks into his classroom and spends the entire day showing how the fossil record contradicts the silly Genesis story in the Bible--knowing he's now protected by a law that says his principal and angry parents can't do jackshit to stop him.

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    1. Re:My school prayer by Silentknyght · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I pray that the day after this law passes, a biology teacher somewhere in the state walks into his classroom and spends the entire day showing how the fossil record contradicts the silly Genesis story in the Bible--knowing he's now protected by a law that says his principal and angry parents can't do jackshit to stop him.

      That's how I read this language: a teacher could, just as easily, discuss Darwinian Evolution or any other of the various scientific topics usually slandered by the Religious Right without any fear of reprisal. The bill doesn't seem to force the discussion, and so is not the issue. If any beef were to arise from it, I'd point my finger at the "science" teacher.

    2. Re:My school prayer by Hazel+Bergeron · · Score: 4, Insightful

      spends the entire day showing how the fossil record contradicts the silly Genesis story in the Bible

      The fossil record does no such thing, and pseudo-scientists waste a lot of time tilting at windmills.

      The Genesis story is a lot of things, but scientific theory it is not. It is of no merit to try to disprove it by scientific method.

      Let it have its place in the discipline of Theology. I went to a religious school and this is where it was studied. This, or in a more general cultural historical discipline, is where it belongs.

      There are so many important things in the world which are being sidelined by astroturfed spats. Once bread and circuses were sufficient. Now the population is moderately educated, so we need bread, circuses and engineered pointless debate (see also: abortion, tea party, gun control).

  2. The first thing could come up with? by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Requoting a sentence :

    "...a bill that encourages science teachers to explore controversial topics without fear of reprisal."

    So the article went straight from that wonderfully enlightened bill and went for creationism? Not partner preference, abortion, unsafe health conditions, or stem cells?

    You could write 100 articles from that bill.

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  3. Now start teaching proper sex education... by Cutriss · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...and see how long it takes for this law gets amended.

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  4. Academic freedom vs science. by LWATCDR · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hey there are teachers at universities that teach that the 9/11 attacks where a plot by the US government and they get defended on the grounds of Academic freedom.
    http://media.www.smithsophian.com/media/storage/paper587/news/2007/09/20/News/Umass.Professor.Supports.911.Conspiracy.Theory-2984244.shtml
    Where do you draw the line? I agree that Creation science isn't but then I have heard teachers spout all sorts of tripe over the years. I know of one child that actually had a teacher that when she found out that she was a member of a certain religion start teaching a course about the history of the religion from a very negative view point and full of miss information. The school defended her teachers right to teach history how she saw fit and that was in high school.
    So do you want the government to tell teachers what they can and can not teach?

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  5. Re:And I pray the opposite... by ToasterofDOOM · · Score: 4, Insightful

    WHY, pray tell, does there have to be a conflict? And, by the way, evolution of simple organisms is observable and repeatable.

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  6. Re:Flame War by hedwards · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The issue is that evolution isn't controversial. Hell, even the Catholic Church recognizes it. What you've got is a large number of ill-educated hicks that refuse to accept reality. Suggesting it's controversial is giving credence to all manner of silly beliefs which are demonstrably false. It's one thing to believe that God kicked off the progress, that at least isn't known to be false.

    Same goes for climate change, there's a lot of idiots out there that don't believe it, but in terms of the people who actually study it, there's very little actual argument going on about it being real. The real controversy at present is over what to do about it, precisely how bad will it be and how long do we have to do something about it.

  7. I don't think you understand. by khasim · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No it doesn't. You can be religious and think ID is a bunch of hooey. This isn't an either-or proposition.

    Of course it isn't.

    But it IS "an either-or proposition" if you insist on a LITERAL interpretation of The Bible.

    You can be religious and understand/accept evolution and understand that "The Garden of Eden" was a parable.

    You CANNOT believe that The Garden of Eden was a physical location on Earth and understand/accept evolution.

    Not without some serious mental gymnastics about a trickster god.

  8. Re:Bible school? by Nimey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The truth^W^WScience threatens the parents' faith.

    Don't ask why their faith is so weak that it has to be protected by the government from conflicting ideas.

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  9. That, in a nutshell, is the problem. by khasim · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That doesn't count. Ask any creationist.

    And that is exactly why "Intelligent Design" or "Creationism" is NOT a science and should NEVER be taught in a science class.

    Science requires that any hypothesis or theory be falsifiable. At least in theory. It may be impossible to perform the experiment to falsify it.

    With non-science, there is no way to falsify it.
    If the experiment shows A, then the creator wanted it to.
    If the experiment shows B, then the creator wanted it to.

    Since it is not science, it should not be taught (even as a "controversy") in a science class.

    Leave it in the social sciences / philosophy classes.

  10. Who mod'ed that up? by khasim · · Score: 4, Insightful

    After all, evolution is simply a theory, not a proven fact.

    Who mod'ed that up?

    It makes the same old mistake that we see every time this topic comes up.

    A scientific theory is NOT the same as a "theory".
    A scientific theory is NEVER "proven".
    A scientific theory can only be shown to be flawed.

    Evolution is a theory which has yet to be proven.

    You are 100% wrong.

  11. Re:And I pray the opposite... by c6gunner · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The guy you're responding to is wrong, but nowhere near as wrong as you. If you're stupid enough to say things like "evolution is a theory which has yet to be proven", you're probably not worth wasting time on, but what the hell:

    First of all, evolution and intelligent design aren't mutually exclusive. It's quite possible that some type of "creator" - whether it be a guy with a beard, or a black monolith - created life on earth. However, that in no way contradicts the fact that all life on earth is related, and that both the geological and genetic record prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that all present-day species are descended from common ancestors. As long as your idea of "intelligent design" doesn't posit a magic-man who's constantly tweaking things, there's nothing contradictory between intelligent design and evolution.

    Where intelligent design fails is a whole different issue. For starters, it posits no testable hypothesis. It offers no evidence. It attempts to put an end to further discussion and discovery, rather than opening new avenues of exploration. The phrase "god dun it" is not an answer - it's an appeal to ignorance. The same 'answer' has been used for tens of thousands of years to explain anything that we as a species couldn't understand. Why do we have lightning? God dun it. Why does the earth shake? God dun it. Why is there a flood? God dun it. In EVERY SINGLE PAST CASE, it was scientific scrutiny and the curiosity of man which eventually gave us a real answer, while the religious troglodytes continued to pound their holy books and point at their invisible dude in the sky. In every single case, the religious 'answer' was wrong. What possible combination of neural misfiring could convince you that, in this case, your answer happens to be right? And why would you EVER be satisfied with an answer that doesn't lead you to new questions?