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Magical Chinese Hard Drive

jamax writes "From TFA: 'A Russian friend .... works at a hard-drive repair center in a Russian town, located near the Chinese border. A couple of days ago a customer brought a broken 500GB USB-drive that he had bought in a Chinese store across the river, for an insanely low price. But the drive was not working: if you, say, save a movie onto the drive, playing the saved movie back resulted in replaying just the last 5 minutes of the film.' Apparently, the contents of the external HDD box included: two nuts, glued to the inner surface of the box with a 128MB flash drive wedged between them (image). And it was a clever hack, too — if ever an attempt was made to write a file that's too large, it got cycled — rewriting itself over and over from the beginning, while leaving the existing files intact. And it reported everything correctly — file sizes and all!"

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  1. I've heard about this by Tumbleweed · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Ancient Chinese Secret"

    1. Re:I've heard about this by rolfwind · · Score: 2

      I have read in history books that the Chinese have been faking antiquities already 5,000 years ago!

    2. Re:I've heard about this by harrkev · · Score: 2, Funny

      Reminds me of the old joke "write only memory." Pretty funny for the hardware types.

      Datasheet available HERE..

      On a side note, I do now know if this link will be available long-term since TI purchased National Semi.

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    3. Re:I've heard about this by Pseudonym+Authority · · Score: 3, Funny

      So they are the ones responsible for all this "fossil record" propaganda. Ancient China confirmed for agents of the DEVIL!

    4. Re:I've heard about this by ncgnu08 · · Score: 2

      Awesome! Why don't I have mod points when I need them?!?

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    5. Re:I've heard about this by lul_wat · · Score: 2

      Slashdot is so broken you wouldn't be able to use them anyway. I can select the moderation-type, but it doesn't do anything.

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  2. Infinite harddrive! by physicsphairy · · Score: 4, Funny

    I've sent about a terabyte of critically important data to a special compression device my computer came with, called "/dev/null", and it still hasn't filled up.

    1. Re:Infinite harddrive! by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I find that saving data is a waste of time.

      All the files I've ever created, along with all the files anyone else has created, along with all the files of finite length that nobody has ever created, are waiting right there for you in /dev/random.

      Latency is a bit unpredictable, though.

    2. Re:Infinite harddrive! by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Funny

      I switched to /dev/random after finding it was quite a lot cheaper than feeding and cleaning up after the infinite number of monkeys I used to use.

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    3. Re:Infinite harddrive! by isorox · · Score: 2

      All the files I've ever created, along with all the files anyone else has created, along with all the files of finite length that nobody has ever created, are waiting right there for you in /dev/random.

      Yeah, but I can never find the one I'm looking for, so it's not a very good system.

      I can't wait another 50,000 years ... I need my TPS report now.

      Ahh, I'm creating an index /dev/random, when it's finished it'll be blindingly fast

    4. Re:Infinite harddrive! by spoilsportmotors · · Score: 2

      If /dev/random is web scale, then I will use /dev/random

  3. Anyone else find this funny? by mldi · · Score: 2

    This actually made me LOL. I guess there's a sucker born every minute. Pretty clever hack!

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    1. Re:Anyone else find this funny? by dmomo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Clever, I agree. So clever, that I'd hardly call someone who falls for it a "sucker". Especially in that it was demonstrated to work in the store!

    2. Re:Anyone else find this funny? by satuon · · Score: 2

      Don't forget the price was 'insanely' cheap. If someone offered you a 500 GB disk for say $10 that later turned out not to work, I guess you would be excused from being called a sucker, but only if you honestly believed it was stolen.

  4. Bloody well done. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That is fucking magical. I dont support this rip off, but DAMN that was a cool idea and well pulled off. This was not some back town hick, but a well thought out plan, using parts brought/found locally.

    Bravo engineer/shop keep who made it!!!

    1. Re:Bloody well done. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Informative

      I haven't seen the principle applied to faking an HDD before; but the same phenomenon crops up fairly frequently with USB flash drives and flash memory cards sourced from suspiciously cheap ebay sellers and similar places.

      The cruder examples are simply a low-capacity drive, with a high capacity label, and a specially doctored partition table and fat32 filesystem written to them. Simply reformatting them will reveal their true size and make them safely usable(to the degree that you would trust the quality of such a device...).

      The more sophisticated ones have doctored firmware in the chip that handles abstracting the raw flash into a USB mass storage device, and the OS will detect their false size. You can only determine the true size empirically: exactly what behavior the fake blocks will exhibit varies(all zeros, all ones, garbage); but the real blocks will behave normally. If you are a gambling sort, you can put a partition of exactly that size on the drive and hope for the best; but that isn't really advisable...

      Every abstraction layer is a potential lie, I suppose.

    2. Re:Bloody well done. by MonsterTrimble · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The same goes for MP3 players which use Flash as well.

      My wife was caught by that scam on eBay. About 4 or 5 years ago she bought what was reportedly a 4 GB MP3 player from Hong Kong - no name brand, but it was a good price. (At this point I would like to point out I did council her on not buying anything electronic from Hong Kong. The horror stories about cheap products from that part of the world plus it being far too cheap against anything from north America made me suspicious). After a couple weeks she complains it messed up. So I dutifully wipe it using the disc which came with the player and reloaded on everything she put on previously. Suddenly I get an error message that the player is full when I had put no where near the 4 GB limit on it yet. So before I try again I take the model number and punch it into Google (although it might have been metacrawler back then). The first link which popped up was about this model having the exact same issue I was having. it turns out that the seller was taking 1 GB drives, changing the firmware to read 4 GB and selling them as such. The kicker was that the supplied format disc just rehacked the MP3 player instead of doing it right. I ended up downloading a correct recovery disc for it which did in fact reveal the 1 GB limit. She complained, but being eBay, they did nothing. In the end she bought a 4 GB Sansa and it serves as my daily distraction from my commute. (Note: I did load Rockbox onto it because the Sansa OS is terrible and can't be happier.)

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    3. Re:Bloody well done. by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Informative

      She complained, but being eBay, they did nothing.

      This is why you complain to your credit card company instead. Then eBay has a choice of either eating the loss or going after the seller.

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    4. Re:Bloody well done. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Most likely they ordered a whole bunch of super-cheap 4GB MP3 players, the kind you can have custom logos printed on, from... yes, you guessed it, China. They thought they were giving away a nice little freebie, but in reality they'd probably never tested one.

    5. Re:Bloody well done. by eulernet · · Score: 4, Informative

      I got 2 different keys of the latter sort (after format, it reports 32Gb, but they really are 4Gb).
      BTW, I don't use them, since I didn't find any way to only use the first 4Gb.

      There is no magic.
      When you write a byte at a given location (for example at 9Gb), it's written at this location modulo 4Gb (in my example at 1Gb), and there is a little protection for the first megabytes, so that the FAT32 is not overwritten when the key is full, to avoid revealing that the key is fake.

      When you buy an USB key, ALWAYS use CheckFlash:
      http://mikelab.kiev.ua/index_en.php?page=PROGRAMS/chkflsh_en
      In a few minutes, it will tell you if your USB key is correct.

      With my first fake one, I get the first error:
      Error at address F5E56000h: expected "10101010", found "00000000".
      and everything after that is dead.

      With the second fake one, I get the errors:
      Error at address EF800000h: expected "10101010", found "00000000".
      Error at address EF82C000h: expected "10101010", found "00000000".
      Error at address EF928000h: expected "10101010", found "00000000".
      Error at address EFA24000h: expected "10101010", found "00000000".
      Error at address EFB20000h: expected "10101010", found "00000000".
      Error at address EFC1C000h: expected "10101010", found "00000000".
      Error at address EFD18000h: expected "10101010", found "00000000".
      Error at address EFE14000h: expected "10101010", found "00000000".
      Error at address EFF10000h: expected "10101010", found "00000000".
      Error at address F000C000h: expected "10101010", found "00000000".
      after that, the errors are more irregular.
      Note that the write speed is 5.7Mb/s for the first 4Gb of the key, and 25Mb/s after that.

    6. Re:Bloody well done. by ShakaUVM · · Score: 2

      >>I haven't seen the principle applied to faking an HDD before; but the same phenomenon crops up fairly frequently with USB flash drives and flash memory cards sourced from suspiciously cheap ebay sellers and similar places.

      I just bought a Hitachi 2TB hard drive (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145473) which is supposed to have a 64MB cache (http://www.hitachigst.com/internal-drives/desktop/deskstar/deskstar-7k3000), which is why it's about $20 more expensive than their one with a 32MB cache.

      So I buy it, plug it in, and then start doing various tests on it to make sure it's working fine before cloning my primary drive over to it, and notice that it is reporting only a 32MB cache. So I download a couple other tools that pull info from the HD, and they all report a 32MB cache. The reported ID for the drive is correct, and all the other items match up, but it's not reporting the right cache size.

      So either it's:
      1) A problem with all the tools not reading the cache size correctly
      2) A problem with the drive not reporting the cache size correctly
      3) Hitachi not actually providing a 64MB cache (which seems unlikely)
      4) Something is shady going on

      But at the same time, the drive is fast and cheap, so I just eventually shrugged my shoulders and went ahead with using it anyway.

  5. Shrinkage! by cfa22 · · Score: 5, Funny

    wow, something alongside a couple of nuts that's smaller than it's supposed to be.

    1. Re:Shrinkage! by whitedsepdivine · · Score: 3, Funny

      Or the average male package in china.

  6. MP3 players, too. by olsmeister · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have a friend that ordered a dirt cheap 4 gig MP3 player from some outfit in Hong Kong. He got it, and plugged it in, and it dutifully reported it had 4 gig of free space. As he started loading it up, it kept locking everything up after about 2 gig. Turns out, it only had 2 gig of memory, but was doctored to report it had 4 when queried.

    1. Re:MP3 players, too. by JonySuede · · Score: 2

      I got this too but I got eBay to ban the seller and paypal to refund me using pictures and data sheet of the offending chips, sadly he came back the day after under another name.

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    2. Re:MP3 players, too. by Machtyn · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As a buyer on eBay, I've been screwed. As a seller on eBay I've been raped. I no longer use eBay.

    3. Re:MP3 players, too. by guspasho · · Score: 2

      Craigslist. It has its drawbacks but it's dead simple.

    4. Re:MP3 players, too. by BertieBaggio · · Score: 2

      Likewise... I'd love to hear of any alternative though. I have a pile of crap to sell, and Ebay makes it so painful that I've not bothered to do it for months!

      Any good alternative that is used in Europe and UK as well?

      UK - Gumtree*

      *Owned by eBay :(

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  7. ATP by blair1q · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is reason 1 why your average corporation has a mini-corporation inside it that does nothing but accept packages and perform testing on their contents to be sure that requirements are being met. Doesn't matter if it's a blade server or a box of pencils. Sleaze is an industry. So is acceptance testing. But if you do it right it doesn't just prevent fraud, it increases your reliability a ton, as it keeps you from stuffing parts that are merely statistical DOA.

    (Reason 2 is that without that layer, there's no tracking of who got what, and embezzlement is an industry too.)

    1. Re:ATP by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Also the reason why corporations are reluctant to switch suppliers and don't do lowest-price shopping as much as you might think they should.

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    2. Re:ATP by blair1q · · Score: 2

      If they're government contractors they are required to shop around. If they don't they can go to jail (yes, jail, just for buying the more expensive of two acceptable parts). They're not required to buy garbage, though. And really, if I was paying a purchasing department and they weren't continually improving my cost basis, I'd be pissed off. So if there's anyone not shopping around it's because management isn't doing its job.

    3. Re:ATP by MonsterTrimble · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I wish I hadn't commented earlier because I have mod points and you would definitely get one from me.

      A large portion of purchasing is the trust aspect. Most of my job is Continuous Improvement and Quality Assurance. I work with new and existing vendors constantly trying to improve our products profitability and believe me the last thing you want is a flaky vendor who will not stand behind their product. A good example I have is a label vendor we had formerly used. Two years ago we decided to revamp the look of one of our lines of hand tools and chose to use a vendor we had been using for over a decade with no real problems due to their price and the performance of their sample labels in our application during testing. Almost immediately after receiving the first batch the labels began to fall off our products. Their first excuse was that during testing the tools we tested on had a different diameter handle then what production had. That was true, but subsequent testing showed the labels coming off irregardless or diameter. Next they blamed the finish, stating that it must have changed - it hadn't. And so on and so forth. Finally this past winter they said they would no longer accept any complaints about their labels nor would reimburse us for failing to adhere. In the meantime this is going on the salesperson for the vendor would directly contact the marketing department over these and other projects after being told expressly numerous times not to do so. they would also constantly be late with deliveries and any promises they gave could not be taken seriously. In the end we decided to pull all of the labels they produced for us from them. Even if they provided the labels for free the amount of time spent dealing with them and their performance did not make it worth while.

      In the end, it's about total cost. Not just the actual price of the product but customer service and time spent dealing with issues as they arise is a huge factor. It reminds me of an old saying which has been attributed to John Ruskin: "It's unwise to pay too much, but it's worse to pay too little. When you pay too much, you lose a little money — that is all. When you pay too little, you sometimes lose everything, because the thing you bought was incapable of doing the thing it was bought to do."

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  8. Re:Cheating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    To be fair, it's an integral part of business culture in the rest of the world, too. The Chinese just aren't as subtle about it.

  9. Re:Chinese Whispers -- by xMrFishx · · Score: 2

    Some proper trolling could be had with a device like that. I want one!

  10. Re:It's not a hard drive, it's a data black hole by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's called WOM, Write Only Memory, in this case with a small cache to improve performance. (:-)

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  11. Re:Magical American Computer News Site by dstyle5 · · Score: 2

    Your friend must be new to that computer news site then.

  12. data recorder by mugnyte · · Score: 3, Informative

    These devices aren't even made specifically for this hack. These are common data recorders for weather stations, EDR's for autos, etc. The genius here was probably more in the acquisition of the case and label.

    1. Re:data recorder by archen · · Score: 2

      offset + $reported_size % $real_size

  13. I've receive similar trickery by EkriirkE · · Score: 3, Informative

    I bought a 2GB micro SD off ebay for cheap, received it and it reported the size correctly, except when it got past 32MB (yes megabytes) i got IO errors. Turns out, the FAT table was written as 2GB on a 32MB card. Writing zeroes then reformatting revealed only 32MB partition onward.

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    1. Re:I've receive similar trickery by meloneg · · Score: 2

      Actually, I expect that used crap on eBay is more reliable than new crap on eBay. The bulk scammers are usually very eager to stress how this is a new, unopened, brand-name product.

    2. Re:I've receive similar trickery by Weedhopper · · Score: 2

      In complete agreement. As someone who sells/trades on eBay for obscure parts, so long as you're dealing with individuals, you're fine. When you start dealing with eBay companies that are selling NIB stuff is when you start getting junk.

      That said, I would never buy HDs off of eBay.

  14. Re:Cheating by amicusNYCL · · Score: 4, Funny

    is an integral part of Chinese business culture and it's not funny.

    Sorry, but this is definitely funny. Especially since I'm not affected by it. A lot of things the Chinese do to make money are pretty funny, in fact. It's not like it's a tragedy, if they thought it was tragic they would try to change it. In fact, one of the funniest things about the whole thing is that it is so integral, even the government rips things off. The best part is they act like nothing is going on. That's not Mickey Mouse, it's a cat with round ears! That's not Donald Duck, it's an original Chinese duck character! This is like a bad B-movie plot, but it's actually happening.

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  15. WARN not WORM storage by jurgen · · Score: 4, Funny

    You've heard of WORM (write once read many), now we have WARN (write
    always, read never).

    :j

  16. Question is by NEDHead · · Score: 2

    Are those the customer's nuts inside?

  17. Re:You want to know something else funny or clever by ackthpt · · Score: 2

    Not terribly funny. A little clever. Simple fraud is the most accurate.

    Think of it in these terms - the "firmware" of these devices is like a financial statement created by Bernie Madoff. The "storage area" is the actual wealth reported on the paperwork.

    Why is "fake storage" fraud any funnier than financial fraud. Hey, how about a "funny" story about some discount pharmaceuticals?

    It's funny because it's happening in China and China is about as capitalist as a country can get, despite the title, it is expected. Further, the ingenuity of people in China to fake things like this is quite impressive. Bernie Madoff only intended to do his scam on a small scale, problem was, Wall Street was so impressed and sent so many rich suckers his way he couldn't say 'No!' and it grew beyond his wildest dreams (why he never planned an escape hatch is beyond me, but who says criminals are smart or forward thinking?) Without greed there would be so little crime.

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  18. Re:Cheating by Lord_Jeremy · · Score: 2

    Mmm. Some years ago my family and I were eating in our favorite local Chinese restaurant. It was a nice place (gone now), and we were friends with the manager. That particular evening as drinks were being selected the manager told us that a friend of his had just sold him a bunch of very good imported Chinese beer called Yuengling. My father and I immediately recognized the name as that of this beer, our favorite brew from "America's Oldest Brewery" (despite the name, it's actually of German origin). He brought out a bottle and sure enough, it was the Black & Tan we knew so well, with the label altered. The manager was quite embarrassed and said he would have to talk to this "friend" of his. Actually at this time we weren't aware that the brewery had expanded, you used to only be able to get it right from the brewery in Pennsylvania.

  19. Still going strong I see... by iMouse · · Score: 2

    I got my hands on a 64GB "Sony" flash drive given to me by a student who bought it on e-bay and kept losing data on it. Since the largest drive I had ever seen was 16GB at the time, I was curious how a 64GB just popped out of the woodwork. Turns out, the maximum capacity was 128MB, however, the file system reported 64GB on Windows, Mac OS and Linux.

    When writing data to the drive, Windows would allow the drive to loop and continually overwrite itself while the Mac OS and Linux boxes would hit the 128MB limit and start throwing I/O errors.

    This was about 2 years ago...good to see they're still at it and have expanded into the SSD arena. /sarcasm

  20. 128MB Flash? by billstewart · · Score: 2

    Wow - finding 128 MB Flash drives is pretty tough these days! He must have gotten some really cheap leftovers.

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  21. Re:This is really just... by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...it's just a small step further than most consumer products made by big companies today.

    Agreed. I just went down a list of the products I've bought in the past year, and if you ignore DVDs and books, the percentage that have worked correctly for more than a week is somewhere around zero.

    USB flash drive watch (ThinkGeek): broke after four days. When the replacement arrived, the flash drive was halfway pulled apart, the glue that held it together having apparently failed. This tells me that it probably failed QA testing (somebody had to have tried to open it or else it would not have been hanging halfway out), but got shipped to me in spite of that. Yikes.

    USB keychain drive from Kingston: the part that held it on my keychain broke after four or five months. Replacement drive with substantially inferior case: the part that held it on my keychain broke after four days.

    USB keychain drive from Lacie (XtremKey): the wire part that held it onto my keychain broke after less than a week, and has subsequently been replaced by a hand-crimped steel cord from Home Depot. Details in my Amazon review.

    Konica Minolta color laser printer: needs a technician to recalibrate it right out of the box because the fuser isn't fusing properly on card stock.

    Eyeglasses arrived from the manufacturer with a scratch across the middle of one lens.

    Bought complete series DVD collections for Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis. Went through seven SG-1 sets in a row. Ended up taking advantage of Amazon shipping out replacements before you return the product so that I could combine four different sets just to get one single set without any unreadable discs. The discs in the factory-sealed package looked like they had been placed in gravel and spun rapidly. Pics or it didn't happen. Then, I had the same problem with the Stargate Atlantis series collection, but I only had to combine two or three sets to get one working set.

    And the list goes on. So yeah, I hear you. The only difference between the Chinese knock offs and the worst American products are that the worst American products at least ostensibly work for a couple of days before they don't. Usually. And this is what happens when consumers don't care about product quality.

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  22. Re:Suspicious by hey! · · Score: 2

    Ambitious? It depends. If you're a manufacturing firm that makes flash drives, it might be very easy to make this modification. When you're set up to be able to give a low-ball quote to manufacture something quickly, you're also pretty well set up to make a cheap counterfeit of the same thing, whether or not you actually get the contract.

    A few years back there were reports of counterfeit Li-ion cells and batteries when the production was shifted to China from Japan. Even where batteries continue to be made in Japan, there are pretty convincing Chinese made knock-offs. One of the tell-tale signs are Kanji characters (traditional Chinese characters used in Japanese writing) that are replaced with their simplified counterparts used in China today. Clearly these are made by companies in the business of making these kinds of batteries and cells, but the counterfeits may lack many of the redundant safety features that allow you to carry your phone or camera in your pocket without risk.

    It would be quite easy for a flash drive manufacturer to make a drive with 128MB that reports as 500G. The looping business may have something to do with how they performed that particular trick (e.g. mapping the same sector multiple times). Then all you need is a friend in the company that produces the Samsung disk enclosures, and you've got a pretty sweet scam. Remember, this is the country that fed its own infants with melamine laced formula. A country with no effective business regulation and a government allergic to bad news is a paradise for a slick operator.

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  23. Cow-orker bought a brick VCR by billstewart · · Score: 4, Funny

    Back in the 80s, one of my cow-orkers bought a VCR "off the back of a truck" in New York. It was really a VCR case with a brick in it.

    These days when I've had bricked electronics, it just means that the firmware has gotten too hosed to boot, but this was genuine brick.

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  24. Re:Cheating by smelch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hey everybody on the internet, stop trying to make every wrong equal to every other wrong. Massive counterfeiting operations run by the Chinese government are totally not the same as standard political games you see everywhere. It may not be worse, it may not be better, but the point is they're unrelated. So stop being a turd.

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  25. BOFH by bp2179 · · Score: 2

    The Bastard Operator From Hell is going to be pissed that he didn't think of this.

  26. It's sorta like Chinese food... by jenningsthecat · · Score: 2

    ...an hour later, you're always hungry again!

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  27. Re:Suspicious by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

    One of the comments on the article says he has seen a similar controller chip before, used in a vehicle black-box. It writes data to flash, looping over when it reaches the end - that way it'll never run out of space, and in the event of a crash severe enough to cut the power the flash will contain the logs of the time immediatly prior. I suppose it's plausible that such a chip exists that would also present the data as apparently a simple file on a FAT filesystem, in order to make it easier for the programmers getting data on or off. Then all it needs is for some dodgy trader to get his hand on a crate of those cheap and realise that cheap blackbox chip plus cheap USB memory stick equals fake but expensive SSD.

  28. Re:Chinese Whispers -- by Duradin · · Score: 2

    Terrific, a one-demon bag. Sensational. What's in it?

  29. Re:Cheating by billcopc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The only thing funny about China is if I tried to pull one tenth of the stunts they do, over here in Canada/US, I'd spend the rest of my days in court and/or jail for fraud.

    If it were just about copyright, I'd turn a blind eye, because I'm all for copyright reform, but this mentality extends far beyond the conscious disobedience of extortionary legislation. At least US corps put SOME effort into being sneaky, whereas the standard Chinese go-to is to do it all over someone's face and then state "I don't know". Struggling grocery store burns to the ground, owner says "I don't know" as he cashes the insurance cheque. Noodle house has a sudden and absurdly dramatic roach infestation, rival next door says "I don't know". Computer is brought to a shop with a virus, comes back with two more and a downgraded video card, techie says "I don't know".

    I shit you not, I've been working with asian business owners for well over a decade, and with all these stories they tell me, I can't help but distrust them because after each anecdote they say "I would do the same thing if I saw an opportunity". Sometimes I think my size and lack of morals is the only reason they haven't try to pull that bullshit on me... yet.

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  30. Re:You want to know something else funny or clever by osu-neko · · Score: 2

    Really? The People's Republic of China, communist in name and fascist in practice, is "about as capitalist as a country can get"?

    Yup, absolutely. You're pretty well uninformed about either China or capitalism if you don't recognize this. The fact that their government is communist in name and fascist in practice does nothing to counter the fact that it is one of the most fundamentally capitalist nations in the world. I suspect you might be confusing "nation" with "government" if this seems at all contradictory to you.

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  31. The mainland Chinese are... by benjfowler · · Score: 4, Interesting

    compulsive liars, cheats and thieves who will do absolutely anything to win. And it's ingrained behaviour that will never change. Even 200 years ago, British traders knew very well that the Chinese simply couldn't be trusted.

    Which is why when the West declines and the Chinese rule the world, we're all fucked.

    1. Re:The mainland Chinese are... by Confusador · · Score: 2

      Not that you're wrong, but Microsoft, Comcast, AT&T, and Goldman Sachs are all American - Western - companies. There are liars and thieves everywhere, we're already fucked, and you should be careful who you do business with no matter where they are from.

  32. The Nuts by Warwick+Allison · · Score: 2

    Never mind the lost files... what about the Chinese heavy machinery being made with two less nuts than spec..

  33. Re:Caveat Emptor and Xenophobia. by swalve · · Score: 2

    CR is terrible at their job. Collecting surveys and touting the conventional brand name wisdom is not research.

  34. Re:This is really just... by swalve · · Score: 2

    My problem is that you CAN'T buy quality any more. The $100 DVD player is no better than the $15 one. The $100 cellphone is no better than the free one. A $50,000 automobile is no more reliable than a $10,000 one. Hell, even some of the professional gear is just shit with a better warranty.

  35. Room Mate Had Something Like That by Greyfox · · Score: 2
    My room mate had a hard drive go bad on her in a matter that sounds similar. She was going to format over the drive, but had trouble doing so. First I heard about it, some friends she'd brought in to help her with it thought I was some sort of super-hacker because no matter what they did they couldn't format the drive. So I go check it out and it would allow me to format it and write files to it, and some files would even show up, but as soon as we rebooted the drive was right back to the way it was. After a good bit of troubleshooting I determined that there was something wrong with the write head electronics, and that what we were seeing was actually the drive's internal cache being updated. But it never could actually write the changes we were trying to make to disk. The read heads were fine, so whatever was on the drive was essentially carved-in-stone, except that the drive thought you could still change it and would pretend it was doing so.

    It sounds like this device was acting as a big cache for a much larger non-existent space.

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  36. How about fake rice and fake eggs? by PapayaSF · · Score: 2

    "Anything" doesn't seem to be an exaggeration: how low do you have to be to produce fake rice from plastic and fake chicken eggs from chemicals?

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  37. Re:This is really just... by dgatwood · · Score: 2

    Given that the quality control problems with those DVDs have been ongoing for several years, and given that the first three DVD sets (locally at Fry's) hadn't been sitting on their shelf for two or three years, I think it's safe to say that MGM must know about the quality control problems and simply chooses to ignore them. My guess is that they're counting on people buying these sets and not having time to watch all 55 DVDs before the return window closes.

    So the way I figure it, I'm sticking it to the man by using a laptop to verify all the discs quickly and then returning sets until I actually get a good one. By returning 6 sets, I figure MGM lost money on my purchase even by the most conservative estimates. If enough people did that, maybe MGM would think twice before using a fly-by-night DVD fabrication plant in the future.

    So yeah, it was inconvenient, but I figure it's the least I can do to improve things. And it looks like it worked. After I sent them a very detailed analysis of the issue, Amazon pulled the product entirely.

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  38. Re:Not so new with USB sticks by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 2

    Transferring MS Word documents is not, and has never been, cool.

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  39. Re:Cheating by stonewallred · · Score: 2
    I do work for chinese restaurants in my area. And by area, I mean several counties around the city I do most of my work.

    Reason I do the work is most companies doing HVAC/R refuse to do work for them

    They like to argue on the pricing, complain and then want to stiff you.

    I ttook a hard line and have my guy on the roof or on top of the walk-in when I present them the bill.

    They want to argue complain or stiff me, I yell, not say, to my guy to take my #*$&#* whatever off we are going and they will just be hot/cold/have spoiled food.

    Doesn't take but once and I have no further problems from them.

    I usually get my calls from folks in NYC or Chicago, wanting me to go to Golden Wok #4 or Great Wall #2.