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KGB Wants Control of Email and VOIP

blair1q writes "The FSB (really just a rebadged KGB) is worried about the abilities that internet communications services such as Hotmail, Gmail, and Skype give to people they consider black-hats. In particular, they don't like the fact that these services allow encryption. They say they aren't going to seize or block them, yet, but are just 'studying' the situation, with an eye possibly toward implementing controls like those in China. Their increased interest in the tools may be related to a DDoS attack on Russian President Dmitri Medvedev's own LiveJournal account, which he termed 'revolting and illegal.'"

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  1. Join the club, comrade by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The U.S. government wants the exact same thing. I'm pretty sure that almost every government at this point wants *at least* a way to bypass encryption, a "kill switch" for the internet in their country, and some form of email monitoring (all these without any pesky warrants, of course). If your country is an exception, count yourself lucky.

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    1. Re:Join the club, comrade by houstonbofh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If your country is an exception, count yourself lucky.

      Count yourself delusional, more like... But if they think they can actually pull this off, the KGB is delusional. Encryption is out of the bag. The software for VOIP and e-mail is wide open. (FOSS) All it will do is drive people from Skype to Jitsi. (Or similar)

    2. Re:Join the club, comrade by Riceballsan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ah but if it drives them to Jitsi or any alternatives, then that is a quick easy way to know who to flag as a terrorist. After all 90% of people won't be educated enough to know the difference if encryption is lost, so the 10% that switch, are the ones with something to hide.

    3. Re:Join the club, comrade by Gaygirlie · · Score: 2

      All it will do is drive people from Skype to Jitsi. (Or similar)

      No one has ever heard of Jitsi or similar.

    4. Re:Join the club, comrade by hey! · · Score: 2

      I might entertain the government having this power to invade my privacy, provided they don't get to do it in privacy themselves.

      I think they should get a warrant specifying what they're looking for, and if they don't find what they're looking for they should be required to give you official notification that they've been reading your stuff.

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    5. Re:Join the club, comrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The notion that people with nothing to hide shouldn't seek to preserve their privacy is one of many completely absurd beliefs anywhere, right up there with scientology. We give up too many rights because of ignorant points of view like this. The fact is, with no privacy at all, it would be a trivial matter to find something to put everyone away for. Go ahead, say you've never broken the law and gotten away with it. Make yourself a liar.

    6. Re:Join the club, comrade by nadaou · · Score: 3, Informative

      > No one has ever heard of Jitsi or similar.

      Now they, have, thanks!
      http://jitsi.org/

      Skype doesn't work with my webcam, even though the OS supports it with other programs. My family (don't know about yours) won't mind installing Jitsi, ... win!

      GNOME's empathy is another: http://packages.debian.org/sid/empathy

      Pidgin too.

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    7. Re:Join the club, comrade by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The "funny" bit is that those who'd need the most surveillance will certainly be exempt.

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    8. Re:Join the club, comrade by hannson · · Score: 3, Funny

      absurd beliefs anywhere, right up there with scientology

      You are so sued!

    9. Re:Join the club, comrade by Jurily · · Score: 2

      Go ahead, say you've never broken the law and gotten away with it. Make yourself a liar.

      That's more likely ignorance than an outright lie. Given enough laws, everyone is a criminal.

  2. Back in the USA by plawsy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And this is different from NSA, et al ... how?

    1. Re:Back in the USA by kvvbassboy · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's Russia, so it must be more sinister and evil.

    2. Re:Back in the USA by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      What bothers me is that the interests of the government and the interests of the people those governments allegedly represent clash almost head-on.

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  3. As opposed to how the US is handling it? by bazmail · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Clean up your own back yard before you go knocking on your neighbors door.
    The NSA has hardware in Google HQ and most likely other US data centers too.

    1. Re:As opposed to how the US is handling it? by ackthpt · · Score: 2

      Clean up your own back yard before you go knocking on your neighbors door.

      The NSA has hardware in Google HQ and most likely other US data centers too.

      The speed which which they tracked down the Craigslist Killer shows it's really happening, it's really stored, it's all there for them to pull up when they need it. Including this post and you reading it.

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  4. freenet by crowlogic · · Score: 2

    This is why everyone should be running freenet, stick your virtual fingers in the mans eyes. http://freenetproject.org/

  5. Ahh ok by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2

    So you want Slashdot to report on nothing that is negative outside of the US, so long as they US does it as well?

    Why? Just general US-hate?

    Seems to me this is news no matter where it happens. I've seen Slashdot report on the US government doing plenty of stupid shit, including all the AT&T stuff, so why can't they also report on Russia?

  6. Re:Back in the USSR by cobrausn · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I love how anytime someone points out how any other government than the US government might be doing evil things, it's immediately assumed to be some attempt by Americans to make themselves look better, and compared to some similar American program. It's as if it is somehow more important that an insult be hurled at the US than attention be diverted to some other country's less-than-honorable behavior for a few moments.

    Trust me, we are all well aware of the failings and bad behavior of the US government. I see about ten articles a day about it. But don't ignore the serial killer next door because a loud, obnoxious, schizophrenic drunk is making noise down the street.

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  7. Re:In soviet russia... by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As if you'd need "soviet" for that anymore. Face it, the Soviet Union protected our liberty. As long as they existed, the "western democracies" had to play nice to be seen as the good guy.

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  8. Re:Sounds like a job for... by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    It also doubles as a good excuse. "No, I do NOT have two terabytes of porn, the pics are just so large because they hide my plans to become ruler of the world."

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  9. Re:ever heard by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why are they doing this now? One word: Egypt. The fact that with Internet organizing one of their old boys club could be run out on a rail? I'm sure that scares the shit out of them.

    As for TFA? I'm sure we'll be seeing more of this in the coming months. Anything that can threaten power the way it did in Egypt will have to be monitored (for the children/terrists/etc) and sadly most folks won't know nor care that everything is being monitored as long as it isn't THEIR door that gets kicked in. If you're doing nothing wrong, right?

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  10. I agree... by pyrbrand · · Score: 3, Funny

    Russian President Dmitri Medvedev's own LiveJournal account, which he termed 'revolting and illegal.'

    I agree. LiveJournal accounts can often be revolting and illegal.

  11. Medvedev's part in the story by O(+inf) · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Their increased interest in the tools may be related to a DDoS attack on Russian President Dmitri Medvedev's own LiveJournal account, which he termed 'revolting and illegal.'"

    This is very much oversimplifying the part of Medvedev in this story (as well as the story in general).

    This whole mess started when an FSB official (head of their department of information and telecommunication security), in the course of an official meeting, brought up GMail, Hotmail and Skype as an example of a "security problem" due to impossibility of wiretaps (as servers are outside the country, and HTTPS ensures secure connection to them from within), and suggested a ban (neither TFS nor TFA mention this!).

    Shortly after, an official from president Medvedev's administration stated that the ban - and, more broadly, the whole idea that foreign-hosted services are a "security issue" - is a personal opinion of that particular FSB person, and does not represent the official position of that organization nor government as a whole.

    Shortly after that, prime minister Putin's press secretary stated that this is incorrect, and the position is the official position of FSB, that it is well-argued and reasonable, and that Putin takes it with all due consideration.

    So basically it's more of the same thing that we've seen before. Whether it's a genuine power struggle between president and prime minister (the elections are less than a year away), or whether they're playing out a scripted "good cop / bad cop" in preparation for the same, is yet to be seen.

  12. Re:KGB? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    totally different government entity that is stuffed[sic] by totally different people

    It is a reorganized (several times) version of the same government entity. The KGB's employees weren't all fired and replaced by new people in 1991. The head of the KGB was fired, the organization was legally abolished and immediately re-established with a new name and head. The new head reorganized the units under him. It was later moved to be a unit of the Russian department of Justice.

    When Putin became President he reorganized it again, and moved it to be directly under him. So a former KGB member was running the KGB's lineal descendant directly from his office. Despite the name changes, it serves the same function and is controlled from the same level of state power. It may have more democratic controls on it, but being a security organization nobody but its minders knows if it is really following those controls. The Russian Federation citizens it is tasked with assassinating probably don't see much distinction.

    You can still say it's "totally different," but I think if you say it now you won't believe it so much.