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European Court of Justice To Outlaw Net Filtering

jrepin writes "Today, the European Court of Justice gave a preliminary opinion that will have far-reaching implications in the fight against overaggressive copyright monopoly abusers. It is not a final verdict, but the advocate general's position; the Court generally follows this. The Advocate Generals says that no ISP can be required to filter the Internet, and particularly not to enforce the copyright monopoly."

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  1. This will never fly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    Too much money riding on it. Corporations will win. Always.

    1. Re:This will never fly. by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Corporations will win. Always.

      FTFS:

      no ISP can be required to filter the Internet

      Well it does say can be required to, that doesn't mean they can't be convinced, paid, or otherwise motivated to filter the Internet.

    2. Re:This will never fly. by fearlezz · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well it does say can be required to, that doesn't mean they can't be convinced, paid, or otherwise motivated to filter the Internet.

      Indeed.

      Falkvinge.net says the exact opposite of what I read dozens of times today. All articles I read today say that that very same advocate general, mister Cruz Villalón, said that if individual countries make laws requiring ISPs to filter the web, there's nothing the EU can/will do. Only without those local laws, it would be illegal.

      Some of my sources:
      Translation of tweakers.net
      Translation of nu.nl

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    3. Re:This will never fly. by causality · · Score: 2

      For that matter, neither does most of the US.

      You nailed it. The US doesn't but the media can be absolutely convincing that it does. They only need to beat the drums of patriotism and focus on press releases made by the government since they are "official sources". They are unlikely to delve too deeply into whether that's really representative of the rest of the population. They're too busy defining a convenient norm that sells advertising.

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    4. Re:This will never fly. by causality · · Score: 2

      "Patriotic Duty" to what?

      Europe as a government isn't based on a ideology - it's based on practicality (no matter what the citizens of the member states may think :S). It just happens that many of the member states share similar ideologies.

      We owe no duty to it (though we do pay some :P) - in fact if anything many countries will view it as their patriotic duty not to obey Europe, when it's not in their countries interest.

       

      "Patriotism" has a true meaning and it has a false meaning. The true meaning is like that saying about loving your country so much that you politically oppose its government when its government gets out of control (just to be clear - I am talking about political, civil, non-violent opposition).

      The false meaning is more like mindlessly supporting its government so you can feel like you're part of something greater than yourself with no regard for whether the government deserves your support. It's usually driven by "us against them" which is why it becomes so popular after the country is attacked by a foreign enemy.

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    5. Re:This will never fly. by Pseudonym+Authority · · Score: 2

      Europe is just as patriotic (and nationalistic) as anyone else, they are just more subtle. American "patriots" go around saying "gawd bless uh-merika", Europeans are patriotic by going on the internet and having huge circlejerks where they discuss just how barbaric other countries (usually the US) are and how Europe is the height of human culture. They also have a huge NOT_INVENTED_HERE complex, especially France.

    6. Re:This will never fly. by Patch86 · · Score: 2

      Forbid and suppress opposition (OK, so a little historical, but I don't think attitudes have changed THAT much since then):
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mccarthyism
      Detention without trial (vis a vis Guantanamo) isn't a great sign either.

      And I'm sure you're aware of that old jibe that the US is a single party system, considering how few policy differences there are between the Republicans and Democrats. The lack of any even remotely competitive third parties should be a bit of a warning too.

      I'm not actually trying to argue the US is fascist, I'm just playing devil's advocate. But I'd say if fascism were part of a spectrum, the US is considerably further along that spectrum than is perhaps entirely comfortable.

  2. Copyright lobby won't let this stand. by ilsaloving · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You can bet the Copywrite lobby will fight this tooth and nail. After all, their yacht payme^H^H^H^H^^H^H^H^H^H^H^H artists livelihoods are at stake!

    1. Re:Copyright lobby won't let this stand. by tripleevenfall · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I hate the RIAA and their methods as much as anyone, but I don't think it is spurious to look at what's happened to the music industry in the last 15 years or so and say that the internet has not had a negative effect.

      It will have a continuing negative effect on revenue - not that I care how much EMI makes, but I do care when by extension there is less money available to sign artists, promote music that is not currently mainstream, when lower quality music receives all the promotion dollars available from the now smaller pool, etc.

      I'm an amateur musician, but among the semi-professionals I know no one has any delusions about breaking into the music industry anymore. It's really changed the landscape because the industry itself has shrunk dramatically.

      Maybe people will see it as good in the future that most music will be local and self-released by the artist and the only acts with real national exposure will be the Britneys and Taylors who sell football stadiums. I just don't think some of the greatest records would have ever been recorded in the current and future system. We've lost something.

    2. Re:Copyright lobby won't let this stand. by KlomDark · · Score: 4, Informative

      Nah, people just have to get it through their heads that they will have to do it themselves instead of expecting someone else to do it for them. A full 24-bit digital recording studio that beats anything that was available to Pink Floyd, The Beatles, or Zeppelin will cost you only a few hundred dollars these days. Less than a good drum set. Stop whining and get to work on it.

    3. Re:Copyright lobby won't let this stand. by 0123456 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I hate the RIAA and their methods as much as anyone, but I don't think it is spurious to look at what's happened to the music industry in the last 15 years or so and say that the internet has not had a negative effect.

      I suspect it's had far less of a negative effect than replacing musicians with manufactured bands designed by marketers.

    4. Re:Copyright lobby won't let this stand. by mikael_j · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm an amateur musician, but among the semi-professionals I know no one has any delusions about breaking into the music industry anymore. It's really changed the landscape because the industry itself has shrunk dramatically.

      Got any numbers to back up your claims that the music industry has "shrunk dramatically"?

      From what I've seen with people I know it definitely seems that if anything for amateur/semi-pro musicians the possibilities have grown. At least this is true for those who have ambitions beyond "playing covers in local bars".

      Fifteen years ago if you produced and pressed your own album in a small run you were considered a nobody (didn't matter if it was 5,000 copies, you still weren't as "pro" as the guy with a minor record deal who's first album fizzled and who's second album release only involved 500 copies so the label would fulfill it's contractual obligations). These days there's no shame in it, if anything "I don't want to be screwed over by the labels" is a perfectly valid reason rather than a lame excuse (as it used to be).

      Fifteen years ago if you gave your music away for free (be it online or as actual CDs) that meant nothing, it probably would've gotten people talking about how you were trying to game the charts by claiming the albums as sales. These days it's ok to put up a website to share your music (perhaps with a link to iTunes for those who want to pay for it).

      Fifteen years ago the only real chance you had of making a video that ended up getting seen by 100,000 viewers was a record deal and letting the studio bring in their pros to create your video (taking the cost of this out of the money they were going to pay you). These days you can get that many viewers if you have a good band, a friend with a HD cam or a DSLR and another friend who's kind of good with FCP or Premiere (just film a few shows, get a little more material to match the mood of the song, edit and upload to youtube).

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    5. Re:Copyright lobby won't let this stand. by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 2

      When the music labels came in, and the unions came in, the big bands vanished. That big band sound, like the Brian Setzer Orchestra and all, just went away. Losing all this shit will give us back our god damn culture.

    6. Re:Copyright lobby won't let this stand. by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're conflating a lot things here. Talent is the first and last key to art, and can overcome inferior tools and distribution. However talent is singular, and cannot be bought or taught. At a certain point the quality of tools reaches a sort of "Monster Cables" level of diminishing returns. Truly good music will sound amazing whether it is recorded and produced in a high budget studio with a stupidly huge team or if it is recorded with a few hundred bucks worth of mid-grade hobbyist equipment and the artists themselves. Really expensive tools and teams can make talentless douchebags sound good, that's the whole pop music industry in a nutshell, but people with talent remain so even with inferior equipment.

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    7. Re:Copyright lobby won't let this stand. by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2

      Plus he can sell his music DRM-free and at a low price (killing the incentive to pirate), and take all the profit for himself. 100% of $5-$10 is better than 3-20% of $20-$30*

      *Yes I know there are certain values of that for which it isn't true, but you won't get anywhere near a 20% cut unless you're a chart-topping legendary megasuperstar.

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    8. Re:Copyright lobby won't let this stand. by tripleevenfall · · Score: 2

      Labels manufacture boy bands and it-girls because they sell. While nobody is under any delusions that Justin Bieber will be around in 20 years, at least his vapid music/coasters end up funding the enterprise that sets actual musicians up with studio time, airplay, engineers, producers, etc.

      All I am saying to /. is that this problem is more complicated than "label it and kill it" / "record industry = evil". The record industry has done both good and evil. If it disappears, some evil disappears but some good does too.

      I didn't even mention that Apple is basically a label unto itself, taking cuts of record sales without adding anything... if you want to talk about middlemen, they are a middle man.

      Anyway, good discussion. Think about it, everyone.

    9. Re:Copyright lobby won't let this stand. by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2

      You're conflating a lot things here. Talent is the first and last key to art, and can overcome inferior tools and distribution. However talent is singular, and cannot be bought or taught. At a certain point the quality of tools reaches a sort of "Monster Cables" level of diminishing returns. Truly good music will sound amazing whether it is recorded and produced in a high budget studio with a stupidly huge team or if it is recorded with a few hundred bucks worth of mid-grade hobbyist equipment and the artists themselves. Really expensive tools and teams can make talentless douchebags sound good, that's the whole pop music industry in a nutshell, but people with talent remain so even with inferior equipment.

      That is very true. Let's assume for the sake of argument that that high budget studio is an absolute requirement for the production of good music (it's not.) Let's further assume that artists still need expensive advertising campaigns (they don't) or radio airplay (not anymore) to promote and sell their music. That still would not justify the incredible overhead of the big music studios, their profiteering, and the societal and legal damage they and their corrupt "trade organizations" are causing the world over.

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    10. Re:Copyright lobby won't let this stand. by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 3, Informative

      If the thing that moves you about music is production value, I can't help you, but you need help.

      Anecdotal though it may be, I will point to my favorite guzheng player as an example. Bei Bei He started out just posting amateur videos of performances to YouTube (which is when I started following her). Recording quality? Mediocre at best, but excellent performances. She self-published her first album, which caught the eye of an indie producer who collaborated with her on her second. Her music has been several times used as interstitials on NPR and is gaining popularity (though I doubt it will or even could be mainstream... guzhengs are unknown to most Americans/Westerners), but it started with self-published mediocre quality videos on YouTube. Talent shines regardless of tools.

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    11. Re:Copyright lobby won't let this stand. by 0123456 · · Score: 2

      Labels manufacture boy bands and it-girls because they sell.

      Then why does the music industry keep complaining that it's not making money anymore?

    12. Re:Copyright lobby won't let this stand. by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I rarely pull out the corporate shill card, but I'm pretty sure you neatly fit the category: someone who supports a corporate benefit that directly conflicts with the benefit of society in general - bonus if the UID is near 2M. Let me explain to you why I think that, and it is primarily because you ask a lot of leading questions where your hoped for answer is in conflict with reality.

      The engines that brought us basically all music from the 1950s until today are going away, and there isn't really any replacement.

      Wrong. Those engines were radio and pressed media. They didn't go away, they were replaced by a better distribution medium: the Internet.

      Your comments about publicly supported music ring true in the jazz and classical genres. I doubt if we're going to see subsidies to support music in other areas because there are no education bodies with an interest in that.

      Wrong. The most common education bodies teach guitar (local music shops), and the big music departments cover everything from medieval string music to jazz to grunge rock to avant-guarde atonal music. The educational support is broad and deep, as is the demand for music. The only place where demand is narrow and shallow is in the big record labels. If it doesn't fit the Justin Bieber/Britney Spears template, it gets buried.

      Another thing is, even if (according to another poster) I own a computer so I should be able to produce music at just as high quality as anyone has ever produced, if I'm burning CD-Rs and handing them out at shows for $5, what does that really do for music in our cultural consciousness?

      And this is why they teach you to always answer your rhetorical questions, just in case someone doesn't follow your lead. I'll tell you what it does for our cultural consciousness: it enriches it. If the record is good, I'll pass it to my friends. Hey, listen to this! This guy/girl rocks. They'll pass it around. They'll buy the next record, evangelize it as well, go to shows - the whole nine yards. If they don't like it, it quietly dies. Will that person make billions from that one record? Probably not - and there is no reason that anyone should make billions from a one time activity.

      Is an album great if no one ever hears it?

      Let me turn the question around: in the age of instant world-wide distribution, is an album bad if no one wants to hear it or distribute it? I'm pretty sure the answer is yes. Otherwise, it would get distributed.

      Perhaps, but what has it done for us? What has it done for us versus what could have been done?

      This means that your next questions have been answered already as well: it's completely irrelevant what could have happened, because a lot of people decided not to move the record into our general cultural consciousness. That's the definition of an item not being culturally relevant.

      Music doesn't change the world by osmosis, it has to enter many millions of ears.

      Correct. And the Internet makes sure that everyone can put music into many millions of ears. What has changed from the past 50 years - and where the past 50 years were a complete historical aberration - is that there aren't any more a few dozen people who control what music reaches the ears of millions of people. And it scares the living daylights out of these people, because their jobs have permanently disappeared. Instead, music is back where it should be: in the public consciousness, where it floats to the top based on how many people distribute it.

      In short: your entire premise actually goes against the text that you're promoting. The last 50 years were a complete destruction of music as a cultural phenomenon, and were instead the age of music as an industry. The Internet is changing that, and I hope to God that you find a job that doesn't have "destroy culture to monetize it" in its job description.

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    13. Re:Copyright lobby won't let this stand. by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't think it is spurious to look at what's happened to the music industry in the last 15 years or so and say that the internet has not had a negative effect.

      Nor would it be unfair to look at what has happened to the film camera industry in the last 15 years or so, and say that digital cameras have a negative effect on that industry. Likewise with the typewriter manufacturing industry.

      The moral of the story is this: adapt or die. Adapt to new business challenges and conditions. This is what the music industry has had trouble with for over a hundred years now. Player pianos, phonograph records, AM radio, FM radio, tape recorders, MP3 and digital music formats, and the Internet have all been labelled as technologies that are killing the music industry. In each case, the music industry eventually relented, adapted, and saw higher profits than they had earlier.

      Nobody feels any sympathy for businesses that fail to adapt to changes in the market and in technology. Especially not when those businesses have a history of abusing the legal system and trying to bankrupt college students.

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    14. Re:Copyright lobby won't let this stand. by a_n_d_e_r_s · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It basically is - just listen to Friday by Rebecca Black:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2LRROpph0

      The cost of making music that the masses listen too are not very expensiv.

      With 101 miljon viewers on youtube its a huge viral success that many 'commercial' artist can only dream about.

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    15. Re:Copyright lobby won't let this stand. by Rary · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If only producing things at the production quality people expect in music they pay money for were just as "you + computer, viola" as Slashdot believes...

      Who said anything about needing a viola? ;)

      But seriously, you obviously need talent, and it definitely helps to surround yourself with other people who have talent (other musicians, audio engineers, etc). The thing is, there are lots of amateurs with talent in those areas. The Internet provides a means to connect with them, modern technology provides the ability for those without too much money to create content, and the WWW provides the ability to distribute. It's not a perfect system, but honestly, a decently talented amateur musician nowadays has a much better chance of becoming known online, at least enough to subsidize their efforts, maybe even make an honest living out of it, than they ever had before when their only hope was to get "discovered" by some elusive record company exec who'll promise them zillions of dollars and all the girls they can screw, only to turn around and screw them from the get-go.

      I'm an amateur musician as well, and I used to be a professional musician (independent, mind you), and I'm quite enjoying watching the music industry crumble. I do think that society has shifted to a mindset that really doesn't value content highly (monetarily speaking), but I'm not convinced that's entirely a bad thing. On the other hand, I'm also not convinced that that in any way prevents artists from being able to make a living. It might spell the end of the mega-rich superstar, but that's not something I'll mourn the loss of.

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    16. Re:Copyright lobby won't let this stand. by SockPuppetOfTheWeek · · Score: 3, Funny

      Having 101 million viewers doesn't mean that the viewers actually liked it.

      Somebody posted it on facebook with a comment about how "I can't believe kids actually listen to this crap", which showed up in my news feed. I watched it. My overall reaction was something along the lines of "well... if you try to ignore the lyrics, her voice, and the video, it's actually almost bearable."

    17. Re:Copyright lobby won't let this stand. by Kongming · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I must strongly disagree with the idea that "real music" will suffer without highly profitable major record labels to promote it. The major record labels have long been more interested in spending promotional dollars on pop acts than on anyone doing anything innovative. With the self-promotion opportunities that the Internet provides, I have been able to find (and purchase music from) dozens of truly excellent artists that I would never have been able to find under the old model. Even aside from the concentration of advertising dollars on artists that pump out popular singles, most traditional radio stations are now owned by a few megacorps who are closely tied in with the major labels. When you call most stations these days and ask them to play anything that isn't already on their rotation list, even if in-genre and not too obscure, they aren't even allowed to do it. (Although the DJs are often frustrated and wish that they could.)

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    18. Re:Copyright lobby won't let this stand. by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      100% of $5-$10 is better than 3-20% of $20-$30*

      As a lot of people selling games, e-books, music, and movies have found out,
      100% of $1-$2 is better than 100% of $5-$10.
      It turns out you really can make it up on volume.

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    19. Re:Copyright lobby won't let this stand. by AmonTheMetalhead · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I hate the RIAA and their methods as much as anyone, but I don't think it is spurious to look at what's happened to the music industry in the last 15 years or so and say that the internet has not had a negative effect.

      I don't know, i used to buy plenty of Cd's, and i still do buy Cd's, but the last 15 years has seen extremely crappy 'artists', there's hardly anything coming out (from the major labels) i even want to listen to. It's not the internet that's killing the industry, it's lack of good material.

    20. Re:Copyright lobby won't let this stand. by AmonTheMetalhead · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You know what's making the real music suffer? Not the internet, but large retail chains that only stock the popular shit and out compete the smaller record stores that actually have lesser known works. The whole industry was set to fail sooner or later, the internet did nothing to change that. If you are a budding artist, embrace things like last.fm, those are the future.

    21. Re:Copyright lobby won't let this stand. by AmonTheMetalhead · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As for labels, if the big ancient ones fall and die, they will be replaced by newer companies that are actually aware of the times we're living in. It would actually be a boon for the artists, the best bands these days are independent or with smaller companies whom specialize in a genre or style, and who will actively seek out new talent.

    22. Re:Copyright lobby won't let this stand. by brit74 · · Score: 2

      Having 101 million viewers doesn't mean that the viewers actually liked it. Somebody posted it on facebook with a comment about how "I can't believe kids actually listen to this crap", which showed up in my news feed. I watched it. My overall reaction was something along the lines of "well... if you try to ignore the lyrics, her voice, and the video, it's actually almost bearable."

      Indeed. Here's what YouTube says: 267,472 likes, 2,041,843 dislikes. That's the most skewed ratio of likes to dislikes I've ever seen - 9 "dislikes" for every "like".

    23. Re:Copyright lobby won't let this stand. by AmonTheMetalhead · · Score: 2

      I have no idea what you're trying to say here, but allow me to elaborate my point.

      There are/were quite a few specialist record stores that specialize in a genre, people who like that genre could go in there and find music (known and unknown) in that genre, it allowed people the chance to discover music released by artists themselves or small labels.

      These days however, you have large chains that mostly only stockpile popular shit, the Biebers of the day, and they are out pricing the smaller record stores on those few popular records in the genres, driving customers away.

      This is a reality, just this month the store where i used to get my Cd's announced they are closing doors because, well, there just isn't enough clientèle anymore to keep a specialist store open.

      Luckily, we have things such as last.m now, whom mostly take the place of the specialist stores and allows people to discover new bands, but the loss of the specialist stores does mean it's less convenient to go out and buy a bunch of Cd's, being forced to use either iTunes or mail order. (I was going to mention amazon too, but they still don't sell mp3's in Europe i think)

    24. Re:Copyright lobby won't let this stand. by brit74 · · Score: 2

      I think it's pretty much a cliche that people don't like 'new music' as they get older, and argue that music was much better when they were young. My own interpretation is that young people have young, impressionable brains, they absorb the music of their generation, they like it, and as their brains start to harden up, they're dismissive of the 'new stuff' because it's different from the stuff they absorbed when they were young and impressionable.

    25. Re:Copyright lobby won't let this stand. by Anthony+Mouse · · Score: 2

      You're kind of missing the point. The idea is, with zero marginal cost (i.e. internet distribution), you can make a more money selling a certain number of units for a lower price than selling 10% as many units for a 500% higher unit price. The idea that you might not be able to make back your production costs at the low price doesn't enter into it -- you're making more money at a lower price than a higher price, so if you can't make a profit charging $1 then you'll lose even more by charging $5.

      Especially because volume has its own benefits: Even if lowering prices doesn't strictly increase total revenue, increasing your volume will increase your name recognition. That way you can sell more concert tickets or software support services or ad impressions or whatever, or have an easier time finding customers for your next release, etc.

    26. Re:Copyright lobby won't let this stand. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

      When the lead-in into every paragraph in a comment is 'wrong' or 'correct' it means somebody is not participating in a discussion.

      Don't blather on about shills, dude. GP had a point and you just papered it over with the usual cliches.

    27. Re:Copyright lobby won't let this stand. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

      Social networking is all the promotion you need.

      You're falling into the trap that the people who own the handful of big servers who sponsor and control virtually ALL of the 'social networking' want you to fall into.

      Not that a comment here will matter. So many people here on Slashdot are either henchmen for said server operators, or duped True Believers of the 'social networking' ideology that it won't matter.

  3. In other news by mseeger · · Score: 5, Informative

    In a shocking development, the famous tech web site "Slashdot" has been found to post misleading headlines *again*. While the european court is moving to ban internet blocking without a law, it clearly states that it would be legal if a specific law would allow and specify the conditions for it.

    1. Re:In other news by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 3

      Basically, not letting the copyright lawyers set the "laws" themselves and move the goalposts every single time something happens that they don't like. Sounds like a step in the right direction to me.

  4. The 'Court of Justice' by countertrolling · · Score: 2

    Is this between the Fortress of Solitude and Lex's Lair?

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  5. Updated article by CrystalFalcon · · Score: 5, Informative

    Hello, Slashdot. I had intended to update this article tomorrow with a more detailed analysis, but given that it's now Slashdot Top Story, I posted the followup immediately. For your convenience:

    What this does is say that:

    One, no court may impose an ISP with an order to filter, in particular not because of enforcement of copyright monopolies;

    Two, such filtering is a reduction of fundamental rights, so

    Three, if laws are written requiring an ISP filter or block the internet, such laws must conform to very strict criteria that are applied to laws limiting fundamental rights. They must be effective, they must be proportionate, and they must be defensible in a democratic society. While this sounds like political wishywashing, it has some very specific meanings. It is useful to compare to what laws have been written to prevent terrorism: these laws are held to that standard, which the copyright industry wants badly to supersede. The Attorney General also goes into detail how such laws must be transparent and predictable.

    What this does not say is that:

    Four, no censorship must ever take place.

    Five, no ISP may choose to limit what they present as "The Internet".

    In conclusion:

    Six, it has been the modus operandi of the copyright industry to threaten ISPs with "block to our wishes or we'll take you to court". This has been their standard operating procedure for the past couple of years, in order to establish enough precendents to get them written into law. Today's verdict, or potential verdict, gives those ISPs the power to say "go play on the highway, parasites, we have an order from the highest possible court saying no court can force us to do that. We care more about our customers than about obsolete irrelevants".

    Seven, this is the highest court in Europe, referring to the (equivalent of) Constitution of Europe. Thus, there are no courts and no laws that can supersede this. No EU Directive can change this (potential) verdict. The way forward for the copyright industry appears permanently blocked; I hold it as absolutely improbable that they'll get paragraphs in the referred European Charter of Human Rights that put the copyright monopoly before the sanctity of correspondence, of personal data, and freedom of information.

    There. Do I get karma for posting from my own blog when it is TFA?

    Oh, and yay - my server is holding. *celebrate*

  6. Regulation that promotes freedom? by dorre · · Score: 2

    Hey, people in the land of freedom. How do you consider regulation such as this? It certainly is regulation, but it also certainly promotes freedom. I know there people who cannot fathom that freedom and regulation are not xor, infact I think you have minimum freedom in both the the minimum and the maximum end of the how-much-regulation-scale.
    Maximum freedom is achieved some amount of regulation. How much regulation is dependent on the society, and I think it is an unstable maximum, which is why we need to update regulations continuously.
    Or something.

  7. Different Corporations on each side by ron_ivi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Those who charge for bandwidth love piracy - since if the cost of the content goes to zero, all the profit in home-viewing of movies will go to the telcom companies & ISPs.

    Also, telcom companies are known to be at least as skilled and powerful at lobbying than the copyright groups.

    And the last thing ISPs want is to start having to filter content and therefore potentially become legally responsible for every wikileak and drug deal done through their network.

    It'll be an interesting fight.

  8. Misleading! by coretx · · Score: 2

    Here you can read why: http://jay.lu/2011/04/%E2%80%98scarlet-extended%E2%80%99-%E2%80%93-ecj-to-prohibit-internet-filtering/ Don't get too excited about this ECJ ruling on internetfiltering , firstly it isn't a ruling, secondly it doesn't outlaw web-blocking. In other words; it's all up to the individual EU memberstates now. What i think will happen, is that France & the UK will start the nasty .biz followed by a lobbying campaign in Brussels for EU ( legislative )"harmonization" since this is how most nasty laws are passed.

  9. What next? by metrometro · · Score: 2

    One lever of influence gone: European courts*. What other levers exist to pressure ISPs into filtering?

    Since the courts (or, more specifically, the threat of lengthy legal hassle) can no longer be used as a lever on ISPs to “voluntarily” filter content, what non-legal levers of influence will pro-filtering actors use on the ISPs? These aren't illegal levers, just ones which don't require the courts as bully. The separation of business interests (content creators and pipe-providers, for instance) suddenly becomes very important.

    *Assuming the AG's opinion becomes a ruling, which is likely. Read the opinion -- pretty strong stuff.