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OpenOffice.org To Be Given Back To the Community
An anonymous reader writes "Oracle has stated they will give back the OpenOffice.org productivity suite to the community. Edward Screven, Oracle's Chief Corporate Architect, said the company intends upon 'working immediately with community members to further the continued success of Open Office.' Because there was a 'breadth of interest in free personal productivity applications,' the company believes the OpenOffice.org project would be 'best managed by an organization focused on serving that broad constituency on a non-commercial basis.'"
Oh, and could somebody ban "slashushi"? Some troll out there is generating slashdot ID's just to post pictures of himself.
It actually says: the code is a mess and we don't have any customers that would even remotely consider using it. So there, have it back and get off our lawn.
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Its really is time to fork Gnome
Join the effor!
Could not someone at slashdot write a small script to blacklist url's that have been flagged troll? I'll do it if you pay me a slave wage...
Too much outcry from the community? Wasn't worth it after LibreOffice? (despite the stupid name?)
Anyone who would actually use an Oracle product in the workplace should have their head examined.
I've never seen a company with such a lawsuit happy hostility for everyone other than themselves.
Stay away from Oracle and Java if you don't want to get sued.
That is all.
No that is not all.... IT'S A TRAP!!!!
Cool, let's try this with Java. LibreJava anyone?
Posting your picture online again?
Its really is time to fork Gnome Join the effor!
Once again could not someone at slashdot write a small script to blacklist url's that have been flagged troll? I'll do it if you pay me a slave wage...
Too late for that.
Sig? Heil
Open Office is amazing. Does everything I need it to minus speech tools. Me likey freeness.
Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle. ~ Plato
Could not someone at slashdot write a small script to blacklist url's that have been flagged troll? I'll do it if you pay me a slave wage...
Could? Sure. Should? Every GNAA post would be linking to the BBC or Google or Slashdot itself just to get them blacklisted. Some sort of manually put together blacklist would be feasible for sites that do actual damage (but not for crap like Goatse - everyone on the planet must be bored of it by now but it's hardly going to hurt you)
Its is really time to fork Gnome!. Join the effor!
fuck you.
Time to go to bed, kiddo.
Goatse warning.
"People who think they know everything are very annoying to those of us who do."-Mark Twain
I have already uninstalled and deployed LibreOffice across our 500 client org.
I will not keep bouncing about.
We now fully back LibreOffice and will continue to do so. We will not backtrack back to OO until the next time Oracle change their mind.
Bye Bye Oracle.
I suspect the mass brain drain of former Sun employees has a lot to do with it as well. It's hard to support your customers if everybody who knows how to support it has left the building. This just might be an olive branch to keep some of the talent from flying the coop long enough to get new blood up to speed.
"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K
They could have done much worse. Letting it go is a noble act that we should celebrate
Does it mean we can rename LibreOffice to OpenOffice now? Or are the two forks going to continue separate lines of development?
Guess it's over, call it a day
Sorry that it had to end this way
No reason to pretend
We knew it had to end someday
This way
Guess it's over, the kids are gone
What's the use of trying to hang on
Somewhere we lost the key
So little left for you and me
And it's clear to see
Too much, too little, too late to lie again with you
Too much, too little, too late to try again with you
We're in the middle of ending something that we knew
Was over {Oh, it was over}
Too much, too little, too late to ever try again
Too much, too little, too late, let's end at being friends
Too much, too little, too late, we knew it had to end
And it's over
but not for crap like Goatse - everyone on the planet must be bored of it by now but it's hardly going to hurt you
Are you sure about that? Some people may have been scarred for life.
This is how Oracle supports open source? we don't/won't pay to support it so we 'give' it back to the community.
Given the options this is the lessor of two evils, they could have let it die internally.
Unix, an obscure operating system developed by bored researchers in an attempt to get a better game playing experience.
Libreoffice is really starting to get a foothold and a large protion of developers have fled to little to late oracle!
Actually, more like "wah! guys! please come back! we promise we won't spite the community!"
This doesn't mean shit unless they change the bylaws which give oracle complete control over openoffice with the ability to nullify the community basically.
I've already switched to LibreOffice.
They are trying to take the Document Foundation and Libre Office brands now.
Do not fall for Oracle's scam. Back LibreOffice and the Document Foundation.
Show Oracle how we play the game. Kill Oracle Open Office by not using it.
Be that as it may: that's good news. OpenOffice is a well established (and well chosen) name it will be good to have it back for the OSS community.
Microsoft announced they are giving Windows Vista to the Ubuntu Foundation.
for the fire drill!
The first thing I though when I installed it was: woah, these icons look awesome!
Lo and behold, for I am a sig!
If you give it away, they may come, but they don't even leave tips, donchano !!
And besides, multi-biillion dollar company and that stinker just doesn't sit well with the money grubbers.
Could not someone at slashdot write a small script to blacklist url's that have been flagged troll? I'll do it if you pay me a slave wage...
Could? Sure. Should? Every GNAA post would be linking to the BBC or Google or Slashdot itself just to get them blacklisted. Some sort of manually put together blacklist would be feasible for sites that do actual damage (but not for crap like Goatse - everyone on the planet must be bored of it by now but it's hardly going to hurt you)
I think you give the fucktards too much credit. Firstly it wouldn't have to prevent a user from clicking it, maybe just a friendly warning. Second why do we, the "tech coward" ever need to link using tinyurl.com. Thirdly I think it could be done in a way that would avoid the problem you note.
Honestly it would make a fun project that could be marketed to other forums... Yes Slashdot overlords you could get a larger bonus this year if you force your tech slaves to get on this... I assure you we are talking 7 figure profits here...
but not for crap like Goatse - everyone on the planet must be bored of it by now but it's hardly going to hurt you
Are you sure about that? Some people may have been scarred for life.
A -1 goatse mod would be a start.. but nooooo change is bad unless it slows down the site or is shiny...
You dont have to blacklist the URL. Just strip all url's from any post tagged as TROLL. Should take care of the issue.
It is a trap, a trick to try and salvage some tiny remnant of influence now that they've lost control of the mindshare and developers.
Help stamp out iliturcy.
...Goatse posters would just give Anonymous a bad name.
I8-D
Who are you, and what have you done with Oracle?
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
I for one would NEVER donate money to oracle (open office) .. but I'd gladly donate to The Document Foundation to use libre ... Seriously screw oracle everyone should use Libre and never look back. I don't care which one has a better name OSS community should have no question about which to embrace.
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Trying to fix or change something only guarantees and perpetuates it's existence
Even if Oracle gives OO.org brand to the comunnity, I think it's a great opportunity to stick with LibreOffice and leave behind all karma associated with the OpenOffice age.
You dont have to blacklist the URL. Just strip all url's from any post tagged as TROLL.
Should take care of the issue.
Agreed, I like my -1 Goatse mod idea but your idea would work.. How about instead of stripping the link totally it just strips the html link bit out and leaves the text so if someone wants to see a gaping hole they still can manually copy/paste.
the story before this one was "Students Build Life-Sized Trojan Horse For Class Project"
Better yet, ban the use of URL shorteners. This isn't twitter.
how is babby formed?
Oracle (and Sun before them) were, prior to the fork that created LibreOffice, able to prevent the additional features that were in their commercial Ooo derivative from being added to Ooo itself and thus had a product that they could monetise. Novel sponsored GoOo and that then offered code Sun (and then Oracle) would not allow into Ooo (mostly to "protect" those additional, commercial derivative only, features) and this was what first put the skids on Oracle's continuing support of Ooo. Once LibreOffice merged the GoOo code into their Ooo fork there was no real point in Oracle attempting to sustain hope for their commercial derivative...it has simply taken them a while to acknowledge its demise. As there's now no money in it for them their "handing to the community" of Ooo means little and may well come with the existing bylaws of Ooo that will preclude a merger with the Libreoffice fork. Out of spite alone (WaaaaaI If I can't play with my ball I'll take it away so nobody can play with it.) I can't see them making a merger of the two into a possibility.
Here's the page source.
Wouldn't this be like a vulnerability? Doesn't seem to work on Opera though.
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The above fine work of art is © the Goatse guy.
Thanks to goatse.ru for hosting it.
setTimeout("start()", 1000);
My first Journal Entry ever, in 8 years! http://slashdot.org/journal/365947/aphelion-scifi-fantasy-horror-poetry-webzine
... or you don't allow AC to post links... that'd be the easiest.
It's all damned lies and statistics!! I mean 47% of all people use statistics to back up their arguments.
And this is how it got expressed. LibreOffice people, just keep doing your thing. You don't need corporate control.
It's better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.
- E. Debs
... or you don't allow AC to post links... that'd be the easiest.
I guess it would be easy but how it would it help? As far as I can see goatse links are usually posted under user names. Certainly the one that started ths thread was.
Yeah, it feels like a clingy, manipulative ex-husband. "This time I'll change", etc., etc.
We know where leadership by an anti-intellectual "strongman" who scapegoats minorities and likes boisterous rallies goes
maybe it's just a coincidence but given how Oracle has acted in the past, we should all be wondering what gives with the turn around.
Maybe there's a patent or two they are holding behind their backs which have recently obtained from Novell. boo!
LoB
"Anyone who stands out in the middle of a road looks like roadkill to me." --Linus
I actually like the name LibreOffice a lot better than OpenOffice.org, which I have always thought was kinda silly. I'm hoping the document foundation keeps the new name.
I think oracle deserves some credit for this decision. They looked at their core mission, they looked at their resources, and discovered they had a product that was not a good fit. In the case of Sun, openoffice.org was a small part of a solution for the desktop. For Oracle it was not. It was an asset that may or may not be worth something. It could have helped out the Java asset. It did not. So they let it go. They could have made an attempt to make money off it, and let the brand flounder and die. They did not. I think Oracle, unlike some tech companies, does not just randomly try things and let's products die, to customer detriment, when something does not work. They are pros. They have customers that us openoffice.org, that use the brand to give them some protection, and this gift was for them.
"She's a scientist and a lesbian. She's not going to let it slide." Orphan Black
corporate-speak bullshit. In actuality, I'll bet Oracle was more concerned about the public image damage by trying to wreck a community's efforts at developing an open source productivity suit. Also, Oracle could have been concerned about running afoul of the GPL license. They certainly took a lot of flack from the community over this one including some high level software engineer defectors. I think we would have a lot more respect for Oracle if they were to come out and simply say, "We made a mistake. Openoffice belongs with community." Oracle, Microsoft, Apple, et al. have a very pschitzophrenic, love/hate relationship with open source. They like having the ability to tap the vast resources of the community for developement but hate being undercut by a free product. This is why, depending upon the day, they are either praising or seeking to screw open source. It just depends on the motivation and whether or not the particular open source product is helping or hindering.
slashdot sigs are twitter.
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
MySQL?..... MySQL?......... Did I just hear some distant crickets? They didn't include MySQL when they 'Freed' OpenOffice.org? But why oh why not? Could it be... .could it be that they.... could it be that they ... *want* to continue monetizing MySQL, or at least keep it out of the marketplace or restrict it in the marketplace so that people wanting online dynamic web servers powered by a database in the backend.... be required to use a teensy more expensive option than MySQL.... like postgresSQL, or msql, or mssql, or..... or..... or oracle? NO!, thats not it, no no no no no! .......yes.
Be that as it may: that's good news. OpenOffice is a well established (and well chosen) name it will be good to have it back for the OSS community.
OpenOffice is a decent name, but who the fuck names a software program with a web domain (i.e., OpenOffice.org)? Ugghhhhh.... That's one distinct and major advantage LibreOffice has in my mind. It may not be as obvious a name, but at least it doesn't appear to be run by a bunch of weirdos at first glance...
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Oracle, what about Java? Set it free!
I don't trust Oracle. Give me one good reason why we should?
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Or Slashdot should just auto re-write all urls from shortening services (e.g. http://tinyurl.com/6gabfug becomes http://slashurl.com/tinyurl/6gabfug) and then give you an intermediary page where the url is expanded to show the real source.
This is just Oracle's way of saying "Hey, you remaining engineers in Hamburg, your RIF notice is in the mail"
I wish they would've taken this approach with the Hudson CI server rather than fragmenting the community.
http://jenkins-ci.org/content/about-jenkins-ci
Uhm, I think you haven't been following up on a lot of the turmoil going that led to the formation of the Document Foundation and LibreOffice. There is no aspect to Oracle's handling of OpenOffice.org that should be surprising to anyone. Unfortunately Oracle appears to be intentionally creating a divisive atmosphere on so many of the products it gobbled up from Sun.
Its too late. you should have thought it before going 'oracle' on your community. now there's libre office.
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I think this is more like "We really screwed up with the community, and now let's do the only thing possible to make them forget what turkeys we've been".
Bruce Perens.
More "mass brain guillotineage"
It is so funny to see you guys unable to get over the idea that this program name "LibreOffice" incorporates a spanish word, it's like seeing you banging your head against the wall and repeating "Argh! not possible, WHY, WHY"
It's not named LibreOffice.org.
Respectfully, I think you give them too much credit. Sounds suspiciously like, "We're not going to make anything on this, throw 'em a bone. We'll focus on Oracle Cloud Office and avoid allocating valuable resources to this thing in the back of the shipping container." Though that could just be how the release and write-up were worded.
OpenOffice.org was originally called OpenOffice, but then it turned out that someone already had rights to the name. At this point, OpenOffice.org already had the website and had done an enormous amount of advertising, so it seemed like the best option was just to officially call the project "OpenOffice.org" while everyone still colloquially used the name "OpenOffice".
Yuh. My first thought was "wow, that many people left for LibreOffice?"
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I admire your persistence, but what happened to your perineum?!
Oracle should have immediately addressed the opensource community after taking over Sun/Java/Openoffice and all. Instead Oracle alienated, so a great big capital F-U Oracle! I use Gnumeric anyway, but it is fkn fantastic that LibreOffice rose from the ashes for those who need an office suite.
OpenOffice was an unprovable experiment in its old state. It's like a FOSS program that wasn't. It did the FOSS thing, but it had a chunk of staff being paid to work on it, when it wasn't really
The open source community can now prove whether they can write a large program of this type when not underwritten by a dying company. For some things, FOSS is great, and the community accomplishes alot, and for types of software, I've begun to believe that the open source model we're familiar with just doesn't work well. I'm not sure what needs to exist in that case.
And if someone wants to make money making a commercial version, they can even try that, because it's out of Oracle/Sun hands now.
One man's pink plane is another man's blue plane.
why is LibreOffice already so much better than OpenOffice ever was?
Listen, I tried open office from 1.04.
It wasn't quite there yet.
But as of 3.00 I went to OO and had no need to look back.
I even had a large series of Word 1998/2000/2003 documents which would not work in Word 2010 and 2007. No explanation-no error message - they just hung.
I loaded them into OO (which I'd used since as early as 1.04 to fix broken Word documents which crashed word by loading and resaving them) and the problem was apparent. The bounding boxes on the artwork was overlapping the tables. These did not display in Word so it would have been nearly impossible to fix.
So.. I bit the bullet and converted my 100 page document from Word to OO. It took about 8 hours. I got to learn about what the "little grey lines" meant and about styles. I figured out the replacement for techniques like "styleref".
So then I converted my next 130 page document. It took 2 hours.
Then I converted all the rest of my documents- each taking under 2 hours.
Bonus? They printed MUCH faster than in word. Seriously- these things were taking 15 minutes to print in Word before they became unusable- now they printed in seconds in OO.
Libreoffice-- well it's different (not necessarily better- it does some new things OO doesn't- OO does some new things LO doesn't.). I'm okay with EITHER since either will load my OPENDOCUMENT format documents.
I'm no longer LOCKED IN to word. I no longer have to pay HUNDREDS of dollars for new versions every 3 years.
I've gotten in to Openoffice draw and created lots of maps and pictures and have developed a basic tool set of objects I can use in the documents.
I've gotten into Openoffice Calc and written a starfleet battles damage allocation program (complete with sound effects) which I can port to Excel if I ever felt the need to.
In business- I'm forced to use Word, Excel, Powerpoint. I *still* (after 12 months ) am struggling with these new interfaces. I'll be fine then I want to do something that used to be easy and it's very hard. I waste a few hours trying to find out where the hell they moved the command in Word.
And when I use word, I look for OO features which are not implemented in word and it's jarring since Word is supposed to have everything including the kitchen sink.
Libre office, Open office. They are both excellent and SUFFICIENT programs even if they cost up to $75. But they don't- they are free.
She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
Perhaps your rant applies in *your* world, but it certainly doesn't apply in mine. The company I work for has been using OpenOffice.org quite happily for years. It does everything we need to do. We've integrated it into a majority of our workflows. We've felt no loss from not having either Microsoft Office or even Windows. Yeah, we're a double conundrum. We're a long-term successful business who doesn't use Microsoft Office or Windows. And we're not even a remotely IT-related business, nor are most of our employees computer experts.
In short, I think you are completely full of it.
Even if they can't monetize it in the short term, OpenOffice is admitted (if in private) by MS to be a threat.
MS Office is the way that Microsoft enforces it's synergy/monopoly in the "enterprise": office apps + server apps.
Oracle needs to have a counterstory to MS Office easily accessing SQL Server data. It's not enough to just focus on Oracle DB.
I'm not a lawyer, but I play one on the Internet. Blog
I hope LibriOffice, in spite of its bad name, buries Open Office.
https://www.youtube.com/c/BrendaEM
Likely Oracle is looking to make a much greater internet push and rebuilding some of the damage done to it's public image by seeking to monetise it's purchase of Sun, will be aided by rebuilding the OpenOffice community and maybe even donating the domain Sun, to humanities efforts in space.
Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
Free VirtualBox from Oracle too!
My boss says he's not assuming any responsability of such a fool may say...
If Oracle really wanted to make it up to the community, they'd join the document foundation and donate the openoffice name to them. They were offered to do this before, and rejected it.
Feel free to mod me down, just know that unlike some Anonymous Cowards I'm not afraid to express my views as myself.
Google Trends --> http://www.google.com/trends?q=openoffice%2C+libreoffice&date=ytd
Screen Cap: Openoffice vs Libreoffice --> http://i.imgur.com/7hY4G.png
OpenOffice is that things that's tainted by Oracle.
Is there anybody not switching to LibreOffice?
thegodmovie.com - watch it
That's not Oracle. We'll see what happens...
Bruce Perens.
Who the fuck names their development platform after a TLD? Ugh.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
I simply cannot come around to use ?????Office as long as it sticks to that name. Yes, there have been plenty of protesters and doubters, but where is the reaction from the Document Foundation?
Possibly, the name OpenOffice can be used again now that Oracle signals white smoke. If not, all it takes is a major GNU/Linux distro to impose a new name. With compliments to the Document Foundation.
"500 client org".
Big deal. I work at Oracle.
Oracle is a 100,000 person company.
OpenOffice is part of the standard install kit for all PCs at Oracle.
Do the numbers.
Oracle is all about money.
What Oracle is saying is that there is no sustainable business model behind Ooo. Now whether that is because LibreOffice has taken away key individuals or something else remains to be seen but if I was a VC or similar providing funding for LibreOffice, this would make me sit up real fast and wonder what my money is doing at LibreOffice.
But to bring the above into the equation, is Oracle saying that the cost of maintaining Ooo in-house (plus the support revenue it brings in) is greater than the amount of money it saves on providing Microsoft Office licenses to each PC in the company?
Require good karma to allow link posting. You have to make some positive contributions before you're allowed to post goatse links. I think most people wouldn't mind the occasional goatse link if they required a few dozen insightful comments to build enough karma, and I think most trolls would get bored if they couldn't post them with a brand new account.
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BattleNet was BattleNet before it was battle.net.
You're on my lawn!
too late guys the horse has already bolted and you have burned your bridges with the open community.
www.libreoffice.org is doing fine without you.
G
I hear the Document Foundation may be a good fit for this OpenOffice project.
Imagine what this project could become if every LibreOffice fan and user gave the project $100 to develop this platform.
Only the dead have seen the end of War. - Plato
Here's a thought, Oracle: bugger off. I'm quite happy with using LibreOffice now and won't be returning to OOo any time soon. You burnt the community, now feel our wrath^H^H^H^H^H indifference :-)
Like I would trust a company whose flagship product couldn't tell the difference between a NULL and an empty string.
I'll tell you bods one thing though. In the investigative move away from OOo, I found Gnumeric, which absolutely annihilates OOo/Libre in terms of speed (at least under my Ubuntu 10.04). I'm now using it for my spreadsheets. Some of my legacy stuff is still in OOo/Libre format but the new stuff is definitely being done in Gnumeric. The difference is a sub-second startup time as opposed to greater than five seconds.
They'd give back MySQL so we can fix the stored procedure and trigger issues. But at least replication works well.
I suspect the mass brain drain of former Sun employees has a lot to do with it as well. It's hard to support your customers if everybody who knows how to support it has left the building. This just might be an olive branch to keep some of the talent from flying the coop long enough to get new blood up to speed.
Mmm. Nah. Oracle does not care about their customers. They are a monopolist. The customers are not going anywhere.
As OpenOffice is GPL code, Oracle can't "give it back" to the community, because it doesn't really belong to them.
Oracle could however give up control over the OpenOffice name or logo (because copyrights rules apply for such things) and give them for instance to the LibreOffice folks; but given the damages done to the OpenOffice image by Oracle, LibreOffice might probably not be interested...
At that point why not just expand it in the post when the post is saved and save all the extra traffic?
The cacophony wouldn't have been so bad if they had used the Latin stem, LiberOffice, etc.
The U.S. right wing would be all over it: "Don't use that hippie Liberal Office."
>In the case of Sun, openoffice.org was a small part of a solution for the desktop.
It wasn't even *selling* staroffice/openoffice that was part of Sun desktop solution.
Rather, it was the *existence* of such a product that matters to Sun on the desktop.
Sun's vision is a central server running programs, with slimmer smart terminals rendering them. This requires a program compatible with the existing word processing and spreadsheet files already in use, and those that continue to be generated.
An openoffice *existing* gives them what they need.
There are similar explanations for IBM needing Apache and Apple with Darwin.
If OpenOffice can thrive without Sun/Oracle/Adobe/whoever-they-are-this-week supporting/controlling it, Sun's needs are met.
I published a paper on this a few years ago in Netnomics. I don't know if you can download the final paper, but there still seem to be plenty of draft versions floating around.
If you're so sheltered that Goatse scars you for life and you can never fully recover... good, you shouldn't be such a prude.
It may not be my cup of tea, but it's just some guy's anus. There's some seriously fucked up shit in this world, Goatse hardly rates.
Try not to take me more seriously than I take myself.
Nowhere did they say, that that organization would be the Document Foundation. Worst case, they try some half-ass community effort under Oracle control, that lures half the people back and kills both projects.
If there were no more trolls on Slashdot I wouldn't enjoy this forum half as much. It may be hard for you to understand, but some of us aren't particularly thin-skinned or prudish and we don't take the kind of content that's posted on Slashdot all that deadly seriously. I browse at -1; you, however, may choose to up your threshold a little bit so that you'll be less likely to see troll posts (once they're modded). The decision not to censor Slashdot was made many years before you ever started coming here, and I don't see any trends or new developments that I'd consider compelling reasons to change that decision.
Breakfast served all day!
on to anything worth their time.
From a purely economical point of view, OO is a complete waste of funds. Its too fat and bloated to run using a central server and dumb terminals for display.
Its too big to be agile.
Its to annoying to use to replace MS Office for most people who aren't geeks and doing it just to spite MS.
The reality of it is, OO.org was a pretty shitty product compared to what it was competing with, and the ONLY reason it had a snowballs chance in hell is because it was free as in no cost. Outside of this community, the rest of the world doesn't give a flying fuck about libre, they want works. They'd be more than happy to pay for MS Office compat since everyone they want to deal with uses it and not OO.org.
Sun was using it to try and compete with MS in some meaningful way, but that was pretty much a failure. Oracle probably just took a few minutes to look at it and simply said ... 'no fucking wonder Sun was going broke, this is a stupid waste of time, its never going to beat MS Office or even make a dent big enough for anyone to notice'.
The only people who care are a statstically irrelevant portion of the population who are both geeks AND irrationally afraid of paying for software or running Windows. Since these sort of things don't apply to pretty much everyone else in the world, Oracle just did what any intelligent business would do. Its part of the reason Oracle still exists and Sun doesn't.
You can mod me down, mark me as a troll or whatever because you're a rabid OSS/Anti-Microsoft zealot but that doesn't actually change reality. The sooner this is recognized the sooner you can move on to doing things that ACTUALLY promote OSS software and things that have a change of moving away from MS.
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lol good point. Looks like I need a KISS refresher course :D
When the OO website links to LibreOffice, and tells people to download the latest version there, we'll now that Oracle is sincere.
...is their email support! Yuk! An email list? Really? In this day and age of dozens of FOSS forum software they could install on their own servers and have a REAL community up and running? LibreOffice might be the cool hip new version of OO, but seriously guys install a forum! I need help now and then, not being real technical and all, and to post a question to an email list with hundreds of emails to scan through each day is sheer agony.
Here, take this back. We know databases & can't understand why anyone would want to work on anything else, especially this complex. Of course you'll have to pay for your Java subscription but like all Oracle subscriptions it's the best value for money! Arseholes...
There's one in every crowd, isn't there?
I don't know. Goatse.cx was something of a defining moment for some of us. It was the point where we stopped caring about images we saw on the internet.
I don't think I've seen a "shock site" since that has actually shocked me, or really bothered me in any way. Tubgirl? Yawn. Lemonparty? Gay guys get old too. 2 Girls 1 Cup? Eh, the music was ok, but I didn't even get slightly queasy. I can look at pictures of dismembered bodies while eating dinner now - I might not want to, but I can.
So I suppose in a way I never recovered. And I'm ok with that - otherwise some of the really fucked up shit on the internet would get to me more than just being an annoyance.
And that means I really don't have any interest in a link blocker. It's Slashdot, we've come to expect the occasional hello.jpg.
Back on topic, good on Oracle. Now if they can just stop being evil everywhere else.
I don't hate Microsoft because it owns everything, I hate it because I'm sick of it taking 30 minutes to reboot, having to shut down everything else just so I can burn a CD, the chirps and werbles when I want to listen to music, the lockups when I want to watch a movie... Microsoft was a great OS when windows 95-XP happened, it was better and easier to use at the time. Now it is an old boar ready for slaughter. I am happily running Fedora, can watch a movies and IM at the same time, I can burn a CD and write an email, while I'm listening to internet streaming radio... I have almost no issues and if I ever do they are fixed without waiting for a 30 minute reboot.
I never want to use MicroSLOTH ever again. It moves too slowly. It is because of my disdain for it not solving issues and the fact that they break everything that I refuse to use any of their products. I can send anyone an ODT file and EVERYONE can open it. I don't have to ask what version of (whatever) do you have? Oh you need to upgrade again, it's only $150 to upgrade, just so you can view the document that I made on my own machine with the software I paid for. Screw that.
FREEDOOOOOOOOM! LibreOffice has that.