Mitigating Fukushima's Dangers, 42 Days In
DrKnark writes "Tepco has released more information about their plan to stabilize the Fukushima reactors. They are basically facing 4 problems: ensure long term cooling of the cores; ensure cooling of the spent fuel pools; prevent release of radioactive material; and mitigate the consequences of the releases that will continue for a while."
Funny reading a post about people hacking up reactor cooling solutions with radioactive water pooling all over the place on a site called nuclearpoweryesplease.org
http://michaelsmith.id.au
I guess that the primary reason that such duct-tape-and-cardboard methods are necessary is that people simply can't go into the reactor building due to high radiation levels. All the hardware required to cool the reactor is in place, it just needs repairs. It would surely be easier to perform those repairs than build a new cooling system, provided that access to the systems was possible.
I can't imagine that flooding the containment buildings was their first (or even second) choice but they must be restricted in terms of what systems they have access to from outside the most heavily contaminated areas.
So if this is the future...where's my jet pack?
I'll wait until some unknown blogger says its ok, thank you very much!
From http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/2011/04/april-20-2011-fukushima-review-of-ines.html:
On April 17th the same site had the following radiation levels recorded for units 1-3:
Reactor 1
Dry Well: 121.4 Sv/hr
Suppression chamber: 97.5 Sv/hr
Reactor 2
Dry Well: N/A
Suppression Chamber: 131 Sv/hr
Reactor 3
Dry Well: 253.2 Sv/hr
Suppression Chamber: 103.9 Sv/hr
So that's going to take a while to cool off.
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Hear Dr. Michiko Kaku (yes, famous physicist) speak about fukujima. and what you hear wont ease your mind.
http://video.godlikeproductions.com/video/Japan_Nuclear_Crisis_Dr_Michio_Kaku_41311?id=5f6b79d071f3c70b40c
there are people STILL downplaying this, believing what industry shills are drumming like morons.
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With a review after 42 days I was expecting to read "DON'T PANIC" in large, friendly letters ....
Reasonable people are demanding that we review our use of oil for years. What's your point?
Ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
Ignoring all the "coal kills more people" vs. "Pu is forever" arguments, the fact remains that all these fuels are essentially nasty, polluting "fossil" fuels (albeit one from dead suns).
Maybe Fukushima and Deep Water Horizon will mark a recognition of the level of care we need to take when handling these very finite resources. I hope so.
From the roadmap document:
"Current Status [2] (Units 1 to 3) High likelihood of
small leakage of steam containing radioactive
materials through the gap of PCV caused by
high temperature."
The only way the pressure containment vessel could have a hole all the way through it 'caused by high temperature', which is leaking to the atmosphere, is if some of the fuel has melted and pooled. Units two and three show atmospheric pressure in the reactor primary containment.
See: http://atmc.jp/plant/vessel/?n=3 and http://atmc.jp/plant/vessel/?n=2
Thousands of civilians killed? Yes.
Thousands of civilians killed by U.S.? Again, yes.
The IBC project released a report detailing the deaths it recorded between March 2003 and March 2005[72] in which it recorded 24,865 civilian deaths. The report says the U.S. and its allies were responsible for the largest share (37%) of the 24,865 deaths.
Thousands killed by DU ammunition? Possibly.
Thousands affected by the continuous effect radiation from DU ammunition? Almost certainly.
When you measure something in thousands of tonnes you can safely say that it WILL affect large areas of land and large numbers of people.
And 4.468 billion years is a long time.
The use of DU in munitions is controversial because of questions about potential long-term health effects.[4][5] Normal functioning of the kidney, brain, liver, heart, and numerous other systems can be affected by uranium exposure, because uranium is a toxic metal.[6] It is weakly radioactive and remains so because of its long physical half-life (4.468 billion years for uranium-238). The biological half-life (the average time it takes for the human body to eliminate half the amount in the body) for uranium is about 15 days.[7] The aerosol or spallation frangible powder produced during impact and combustion of depleted uranium munitions can potentially contaminate wide areas around the impact sites leading to possible inhalation by human beings.[8] During a three week period of conflict in 2003 in Iraq, 1,000 to 2,000 tonnes of DU munitions were used.[9]
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No, he posted to the story he meant to.
You'll see this kind of trolling, using brand new accounts and very very long off-topic or nonsensical posts whenever there is a story that may have implications that could negatively impact a corporation or industry sector. I believe they are intended to disrupt discussion of those stories. You'll see them very often in stories that discuss telecom companies or energy industry.
I believe they are paid trolls, from organizations like New Media Strategies (or their darker cousins) who, instead of astroturfing or writing positive things about their clients, exist only to disrupt serious discussions of things that could be construed to negatively impact their clients.
I could be wrong, but I've been seeing this pattern. You'll also see a pattern where an offtopic post is followed by a string of anonymous or very new accounts being very repetitive and responding to the original offtopic post, creating a long section that many people just won't bother to scroll through and will just abandon the potentially hot story.
Yes, I'm paranoid. I believe paranoia is an appropriate reaction to life circa 2011.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Too late...
I"ll bite. How much land was irradiated? And what's your evidence for your guess?
Even assuming that the nuclear fuel was burning and freely releasing fission products, prevailing weather patterns mean that most of Japan was completely unaffected by this problem. Well, other than losing the 6 GW of electricity generation that they lost when the earthquake and tsunami screwed things up.
"I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
You're absolutely right, I made a major cockup. What I had in my head was the 50mile exclusion zone around the plant, which is obviously quite a lot larger than 50 square miles. I stand both corrected and ashamed.
+1 IDisagreeSoHeMustBeATrollOrAnAstroturferOrAShill
They evacuated the exclusion zone because it would have been a PR disaster if some of the worst-case scenarios had happened and the press had said that all of those people could have been saved if they'd been evacuated early. Once it's completely under control, those people can return.
This is simple disaster management. You don't wait until something bad has happened before you start evacuating people, you evacuate them when the danger is only a potential. That way, if something does go wrong, you have a load of inconvenienced people, not a load of dead people.
Some of that zone has been exposed to radioactive materials, but they all appear to be things with short half lives, so they'll quickly decay back to normal background radiation levels.
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Except for in places where it isn't in the coal, which is just about everywhere outside of the USA because mercury really isn't all that common. Even when it is in the coal how is it going to get into your system when the flue gasses are scrubbed with water to remove the NOx and SOx which as a side effect very easily condenses the mercury removing it into ash dams or other pollution controls?
If you are going to say stuff like you do above in a public forum you really have a responsibility to say something tied to reality and know just a little bit about what you are talking about instead of just making shit up. When you are talking about a mercury threat a few orders of magnitude less than domestic light bulbs it really doesn't justify comparison with plutonium.
I'm aware that the plutonium is also usually very well contained so is usually also ignorable. We just happen to be discussing a situation where a significant amount of it may have escaped.
The "coal is dangerous" shit whenever nuclear is mentioned is getting very old. We all know it kills people, in fact there is almost a weekly death toll in direct mining accidents alone. However usually the comparison is brought up as a frankly very childish distraction along the lines of "little jimmy is being bad, why can't I be bad too". It's depressing and each time it is used I have to tell myself that the person who used it is a real human being and not just a juvenile lying weasel that thinks everyone else is stupid.
I didn't think of a typo instead of ignorance or deliberate misinformation. I'm sorry I went over the top a bit there.
Alternatively, someone is testing out software to spamflood the site (or similar) and needs to check what gets through the filters. That's obviously generated text combined with some random text from the internet, to have the structure of a real post while actually being nonsense.
Emotions! In your brain!
Well, I completely agree that we are dealing with just different levels of suck if we are comparing oil to nuclear - but that should be an incentive to massively research renewables and perhaps fusion. As to the competence of TEPCO - seriously? Five weeks after the incident, the best telemetry we get is a counter taped to one robot watched by a second robot's camera? A first year engineering student could hack something better in one weekend. They are bumbling fools. Discharging radioactive water into the ocean? Hey, we dump a couple of sandbags full of zeolith in the vicinity of the pipe, problem solved. Come on.
Ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
Plutonium and Uranium are non-volatile nuclear fuels. The only way they escape a nuclear reactor is a raging inferno capable of over 6000 F, a massive explosion that shatters the fuel rods and disperses the particles, or (to a much lesser extent) damaged fuel rods with exposed surfaces flacking the material into reactor water. Neither of these two fuels have escaped in any significant quantity.
The biggest concern with nuclear accidents isn't even the fuel, it's the fission by-products. Nuclear fuel is not very radioactive, and due to it's low volatility it doesn't disperse very well outside of extreme events (Chernobyl). The real danger comes from the volatile, highly radioactive, products of nuclear reaction like Cesium and Strontium (Iodine has a half life of 8 days, so is only a short term concern).
You also have a responsibility for factual honesty. Mercury is only one of the contaminants in coal, and even the best scrubbers do not remove all pollutants. But other than mercury, there are also heavy metals, toxic compounds, and radioactive elements as well. This is why waste products like fly ash is treated as a serious environmental pollutant. If a major coal depot or coal plant had a major disaster, it would just as effectively turn the surrounding area into a toxic wasteland. The same goes for oil refineries (which are under even more stringent regulation than nuclear plants due to their potential of becoming an ecological disaster).
The point being, of all of our current power sources, nuclear ranks as one the safest in regards to both pollution and mortality. Fossil fuel sources are ranked as they deadliest. I would much rather live next to a nuclear power plant (and have) than an oil refinery (which is actually illegal) or a coal plant.
~X~
I'm sorry but I just have to nip this nonsense in the bud because I'm sick and tired of this completely unscientific fear-mongering that takes place. The Plutonium Monster is a myth.
/Michael, co-founder of Nuclear Power Yes Please
Plutonium has about the same chemical toxicity as cadmium and caffeine. And unless you intend to grind the stuff into powder and snort it, it's not going to do you any recognizable harm. It's next to insoluable in water when in its oxide forms and not volatile... it doesn't go anywhere in the environment.
People make a big fuss and say "oh but it has such a long half-life... 24 100 years!". Well the thing is: a substance's radioactivity is inversely correlated to the half-life. Radioactivity comes from decay. Less decay means longer half-life... and conversely longer half-life therefore means a less radioactive substance.
The big worries are the short-lived ones. Iodine-131 is biggest worry of all, because is hot, it's plentiful and it's very volatile and mobile in the environment. With a half-life of 8.02 days, it falls apart so fast that even a trillionth of a kilogram falls apart at a rate of 4.6 MegaBecquerels. That's the big worry in the short run... and that is what caused the cancers from Chernobyl. 4000 cases of thyroid cancer, because the Soviet authorities didn't screen for and didn't stop contaminated food: they let the kids drink milk that was contaminated with I-131, even though it was completely preventable.
In the longer run it is the medium length half-lives that are a nuisance. I-131 falls apart fast and from Fukushima we're already down to 1 in 40 left of the original inventory from when the reactors shut down. In the long run Cesium-137 and Strontium-90 are the top contenders of being trouble. They have a half-life of around 30 years, which makes them hot enough to be a bother, and long-lived enough to remain a while. They are also - just like I-131 - rather volatile and mobile in the environment.
Plutonium - in comparison - is a not a big worry. Its specific activity is low and it doesn't get around. If it falls out of the reactor is stays put near the accident site. Now I know alot of you have been listening to the scare-mongers and tabloid news... and if you did: the joke's on you. It's just that "Plutonium" is a charged word... "Iodine" and "Caesium" isn't... so waving the Plutonium Monster around is an efficient way of making a buzz.
I'm not saying this to downplay anything. I-131 and Cs-137 are big problems in an accident like this and they need to be dealt with. Just focus on the right stuff, ok? Plutonium is not the major worry here.