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Artificial Synapse Created For Synthetic Brain

Zothecula writes "It's probably still going to be a while before autonomous, self-aware androids are wandering amongst us. That scenario has come a little closer to reality, however, with researchers from the University of Southern California having created a functioning synapse circuit using carbon nanotubes. An artificial version of the connections that allow electrical impulses to pass between neurons in our brains, the circuit could someday be one component of a synthetic brain."

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  1. Whatever you say by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's probably still going to be a while before autonomous, self-aware androids are wandering amongst us.

    Sure, that's what they'd like us to believe, anyway...

    (crap - forgot to post this anonymously!)

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    1. Re:Whatever you say by camperslo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The Androids would most likely be upset with software patents, a stifling inhuman rights abuse.

  2. Self-assembly, too? by macraig · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If these so-called synapses can't spontaneously self-assemble and inter-connect, they still have a LOT of work to do to achieve real AI. A more likely practical use for this was mentioned in another article about it: repairing damaged tissue in human brains (or perhaps deliberately "re-wire" portions to alter function).

    1. Re:Self-assembly, too? by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Interesting

      For that it would need to be able to interface with plain old mark one grey matter, and there's nothing (wishes side) in the article to suggest that it can.

      Until it can do that, why is this any better than simply emulating the connections with software?

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    2. Re:Self-assembly, too? by AchilleTalon · · Score: 2

      AI is not having anything to do with brain mimetism. You are confusing things here. The Watson computer playing Jeopardy is not a brain-like device and is somewhat near what can be called AI.

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  3. But can it... by MrQuacker · · Score: 3, Insightful
    FTA:In other words, it can take in the type of impulses generated by real neurons, and send them on in a form that could be further processed by other neurons

    But does this mean that they have discovered a way to "plug in" a computer to a brain? Can these be used as an adapter to "talk" with neurons?

  4. Re:Great! by Lord_of_the_nerf · · Score: 2

    All we need is about a quadrillion of them for a brain.

    Maybe if we only used half or may be a third of that?

    The first AI capable of acting as a CEO is still an achievement.

  5. Re:AI isn't far off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...The AI you're speaking of has a distinct lack of the I part. We can fake things along quite nicely, sure, but we're still ages away from true artificial intelligence. Slapping some cameras in front of a giant if/then/else statement ain't it.

  6. Some details from the paper by kyle5t · · Score: 2

    "Although there are a multitude of variations in synapses, we have modeled a typical cortical synapse. Action potentials, the signals from other neurons that arrive at the synapses are about a millisecond in duration and about 100 mV in amplitude. Under certain conditions, the synapse responds with an output potential of around 5-10 mV that lasts around 10 ms. Thus the synapse slows and spreads the effect of the action potential, synchronizing its effect with other action potentials, since not all action potentials arriving at the postsynaptic neuron will arrive simultaneously...The resulting postsynaptic potentials produced by many synapses combine to create enough potential (voltage) for the postsynaptic neuron to generate an action potential and fire."

    I think the same thing could be achieved with just an RC filter. If I'm following this correctly, the difference here is a "demonstrated variation in synaptic strength, a key neural mechanism associated with memory and learning." Things will really start to get interesting when something like this circuit can be made that is also capable of amplification. That would be a complete artificial neuron.

    http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=5754178

  7. Re:AI isn't far off by Dachannien · · Score: 2

    Deriving 3-d representations of the environment is mostly solved - what's needed is a way to recognize objects in the environment in an abstract fashion. There are techniques for recognizing, e.g., a specific box (one previously seen) in a complex scene, determining its 3-d position stereoscopically (no laser range finding needed), and interacting with the object robotically. What's needed is a way to classify unknown objects by abstract class, e.g., recognizing that there is a box in a scene, even though the specific box in the scene (say, something brightly decorated like a cereal box, or oddly shaped like some sort of product packaging) has never been seen before.

  8. Re:Great! by interkin3tic · · Score: 2

    All we need is about a quadrillion of them for a brain.

    Who wants to make brains out of these? I'm guessing not the researchers, since we can already make brains the natural way, and there's little advantage that I could see to making one synthetically.

  9. Article could use a fact-checker by interactive_civilian · · Score: 3, Informative

    From TFA:

    "This is a necessary first step in the process," said Parker. "We wanted to answer the question: Can you build a circuit that would act like a neuron? The next step is even more complex. How can we build structures out of these circuits that mimic the neuron, and eventually the function of the brain, which has 100 billion neurons and 10,000 synapses?"

    Uhhh... That number of synapses is off by about 10 orders of magnitude. I assume the number of synapses was meant to be a "per neuron" number, but that's a pretty glaring thing to leave out of that sentence. :-/

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  10. Re:AI isn't far off by Neil+Boekend · · Score: 2

    You can even make an AI which appears self aware by giving it desires to do different tasks, but that is kinda wreckless in my opinion.

    I prefer my AI's wreckless. If they create wrecks the autonomous vehicle projects should never go AI.

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  11. Re:AI isn't far off by Hermanas · · Score: 2

    robots can do all sorts of tasks and even understand natural language as a programming language

    Not on their own - we'll have to endow the neurons with prior knowledge about how human language works. (The circuits for human language is ingrained into the brain at birth by our DNA; it is only by using the assumptions about language that we are born with that we are able to learn it within 2-3 years. A clump of neurons without these assumptions would find it extremely difficult to learn human language, if not impossible.)

    But, if we know enough about language to give robots the necessary prior knowledge, language is completely feasible. We might even be able to achieve similar results with an evolutionary algorithm, that mimics the way language evolved in humans - though that might also be difficult without prior knowledge.

  12. Why do robot brains need synapses? by MMC+Monster · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Just because biological brains have synapses, do computer brains need them as well?

    Serious question. I don't know where AI is or where it's taking us.

    This is more useful to study human neurology.

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    1. Re:Why do robot brains need synapses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ust because biological brains have synapses, do computer brains need them as well?

      Serious question. I don't know where AI is or where it's taking us.

      The answer to the question is simply: "nobody knows". Is the role of the synapse simply to connect one cell to another, like a piece of wire in a circuit, or does it have some deeper functional role? Its behaviour is certainly far more complex than the OP suggests. My money is on the current paradigm (the brain as a computer) being about as completely and utterly wrong as the previous paradigm (the brain as a clock-work mechanical machine) was.

    2. Re:Why do robot brains need synapses? by FreakyGreenLeaky · · Score: 2

      Some of the most useful achievements come from science mimicking nature.