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New Heat Pump Will Last 10,000 Years

formaggio writes "Most heat pumps maintain an average useful life of 10-20 years, but researchers at the University of Stavanger in Norway (USN) and the University of Oslo believe that they have developed a new heat pump that will last up to 10,000 years."

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  1. Is the warranty transferable? by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 5, Funny

    They guy at Best Buy will still try to sell you the extended warranty too!

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    1. Re:Is the warranty transferable? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2

      They will not make that heat pump for too long anyway. After all, it will take 10000 years before anyone orders a replacement.

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  2. I don't get it by countertrolling · · Score: 3, Insightful

    An article about itty bitty peltiers? Do they come in white?

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  3. Poor estimation by DanTheStone · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is like the bridges built in the '60s that were supposed to last over a hundred years, but need to be replaced now. By the time they have to be replaced, the companies manufacturing them will simply no longer exist to sue and will have moved on to Carbon Fiber (the next 100+ year technology that won't last nearly 100 years).

    1. Re:Poor estimation by elrous0 · · Score: 2

      During the Vietnam War, Colt sold the M-16 to the Army with the promise that it would never need cleaning. And they were right. They just forgot to add the "unless you want it to keep firing" part.

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    2. Re:Poor estimation by hitmark · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Part of that problem, iirc, was the US Army going with a different, cheaper, ammo then intended during design.

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    3. Re:Poor estimation by phayes · · Score: 3, Funny

      Why go ruin a superficial anti-military rant with facts?

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    4. Re:Poor estimation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      sounded more like an anti-Colt M-16 rant.

      funny how you think complaining that our troops were victims of a bait-and-switch is somehow anti-military. how did you even manage to reply on this thread? it must have taken you all day to mouth the words as you read it.

      maybe you meant anti-something-remotely-military-related, but to those of us who read and comprehend english at a normal level, it just sounds like you're retarded.

    5. Re:Poor estimation by MaWeiTao · · Score: 2

      The problem is that we wouldn't know how to build something like that.

      In a small city in northern Portugal there was this stone wall (maybe 50ft high) that was erected during the Roman era. Several years ago part of it finally collapsed. So they decided to rebuild it. That bit collapsed within a year. I don't know what's happened since, but I suspect it involves concrete and rebar.

    6. Re:Poor estimation by blair1q · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Most of it was because it was designed only for firing and carrying specs and tested only in clean conditions.

      Jump into a couple of foxholes and you're disassembling the fucking thing to get the sand out from between the bolt and the receiver. Whereas you could shake an AK-47 clean in a muddy puddle and come up firing.

      If the ammo added problems, that's the ammo's problem. The M-16 was a weapon characterized by an occasional failure to fail.

    7. Re:Poor estimation by Firethorn · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's worse than that.
      Colt's M-16 was designed around a newer, cleaner burining rod type powder compared to the older ball type powders; but it also included a chrome barrel and integral cleaning kit in the stock. It was advertised as 'needing a minimal amount of cleaning'

      The Army testing team, being hostile to the idea of switching away from a .30 caliber rifle, had sabotoged Colt's acceptance trials. When McNamara found out, he basically ordered the switch to the M16, but they continued to sabotoge the effort, taking Stoner's 'self cleaning' comments to not issue cleaning kits even as they deleted the chromed barrel and substituted dirtier ammo.

      Basically, the M-16A1 was mostly just returning to Colt's original specifications.

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    8. Re:Poor estimation by Unkyjar · · Score: 2
    9. Re:Poor estimation by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, skyscrapers today just don't compare with skyscrapers from ancient Rome.

      And have you seen those entire buildings they put up in a couple months with a crew of 20 or so? I bet they won't be standing in 2,000 years.

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    10. Re:Poor estimation by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2

      There were enough issues with the rifle other than the ammo problem, as anyone who researched the topic knows.

    11. Re:Poor estimation by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2

      What caliber of American ammo can be safely fired in a 7.62x39 AK? Seriously, I've never heard of such a thing.

      Any 7.62x39 ammo manufactured by an American company, obviously.

    12. Re:Poor estimation by metacell · · Score: 2

      Isn't it more anti-military to say the problem lay with the military using cheaper ammo, than to say it lay with Colt for promising more than they could keep?

    13. Re:Poor estimation by jandrese · · Score: 2

      You could build a house to last 200 years today if you wanted. It would cost considerably more than a regular house made out of sticks, but it certainly could be done. You also wouldn't be able to sell it for anything like what you paid to build it because nobody factors in the durability of the house very much when considering what price they would pay for it. Even if you did find someone interested, their bank would just tell them that what you're asking is grossly more than the equivalent (and they're not to picky about what is "equivalent") homes in the area.

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  4. peltier? by svirre · · Score: 2

    Soooo this looks like a thermocouple or peltier element. What's new?

  5. 10,000 by swanzilla · · Score: 4, Informative
    The 10,000 number was pulled out of the air for emphasis. From a meatier source

    The miniature pumps will just continue to pump. We stick fans on them, and they must be replaced, but the heat pump itself will stay and be equally effective after 10 000 years," Bording continues.

    Misleading headline, both on this blog post and on the blog post that this blog post cites.

    1. Re:10,000 by syousef · · Score: 2

      The 10,000 number was pulled out of the air for emphasis.

      It was pulled from somewhere with foul air where the sun does not shine.

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    2. Re:10,000 by rgbatduke · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I kinda pegged that one for being pure bullshit. Unless they planned to build it out of pure platinum or gold and then build a really big pyramid over it and then kill off everybody on earth so that nobody steals it to melt it down. Otherwise, what metal has ten thousand years worth of staying power in a corrosive and often wet oxygen bath? There are a handful of metal implements more than 3000 years old, and an even smaller handful of metal implements that aren't corroded that aren't made of gold. Electrochemistry even of peltier coolers would create enough bimetallic corrosion that they would probably not make a century, let alone a thousand years.

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  6. Solid state heat pump - Peltier Junction?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Solid state heat pumps exist already. It is called Peltier Junction. They are not used because their efficiency is bad.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peltier_effect

    The COP of current commercial thermoelectric refrigerators ranges from 0.3 to 0.6, only about one-sixth the value of traditional vapor-compression refrigerators

    So what is the break through in the little heat pumps?? TFA is completely uninformative on that. It doesn't even specify efficiency of the heat pump.

    PS. I've had an open loop heat pump for the last decade, and so far it didn't require "frequent inspection" or "maintenance" as TFA says it does. It comes with 20 year warranty. It is basically just like a larger version of a fridge. The only maintenance I can envision is simply cleaning the heat exchanger once in a while.

    1. Re:Solid state heat pump - Peltier Junction?? by blair1q · · Score: 3, Insightful

      TFA is on a stupid hippy-dippy design blog site run by children.

      I'm sure they're impressed, but anyone who's been reading this grade of journalism in Popular Science for a few decades is not.

  7. Re:Up to 10,000 years by xMrFishx · · Score: 2

    If it's anything like broadband in the UK, it means it'll last 100 years most of the time, and then on occasion it'll last 3000 years but you're capped at 1 use per day except at lunch time when you can only see it from a distance.

  8. Re:Maxwell's Demon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I was going to suggest that we let it eat Slashdot posts, but...

  9. CD by korgitser · · Score: 2

    If I recall correctly, a CD was supposed to last for a hundred years. Maybe the first batch ever will even make a good run, but once it settles into mass production and the competition to lower the price warms up, you can pretty much squash the hope. And when you hit the period when the product is already superseded by the next generation, but still selling by inertia, you will be lucky if it still works by the time you get home with it. A 10k years? Whatever, i'd rather buy the one that promises 10 years.

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  10. Re:Up to 10,000 years by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 3, Funny

    Technically everything will last forever, it just changes state a lot over that period. :p

  11. Re:awwww geeeeze... by newcastlejon · · Score: 2

    not more inhabitant spam. Normally junk mail is addressed to resident . I blame those damn alien direct-marketroids with their faulty understanding of the English as she is spoke.

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  12. Re:They know this how? by skids · · Score: 2

    Well, being solid state, they are basically stone artifacts. Though yes, proving they won't fail for 10,000 years due to a number of known effects that take place on the nano-scale would be a daunting challenge.

  13. Re:heat pump? by willy_me · · Score: 2

    Older vehicles used belts to turn the rad fan but most vehicles now use an electric motor.

  14. Re:heat pump? by tnk1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    As I recall, there's a well known Jaguar advert where a pretty lady uses a stocking as an impromptu fan belt*.

    *I forget what the american term is.

    *It's "fan belt", but without the extra 'u'.

  15. Was it built by a guy named by splerdu · · Score: 2

    Goering?

    Oh wait...

  16. Re:Up to 10,000 years by pclminion · · Score: 2

    I still have my grandfather's old axe. The head's been replaced twice, and the shaft three times, but still the same axe.

  17. Re:heat pump? by terjeber · · Score: 2

    In Norway "imperial units of measure" are typically called "English units of measure", so a mile is typically called "an English mile". The question "how long is an English mile" is thus usually answered "as far as an English car will run".