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If You're Going To Kill It, Open Source It

ptorrone writes "MAKE Magazine is proposing big companies like Cisco and Sony consider 'open sourcing' their failed or discontinued products. The list includes Sony's AIBO and QRIO robots, IBM's Deep Blue chess computer, Ricochet Wireless, Potenco's Pull-Cord Generator, Palm, Microsoft's SPOT Watch, CISCO Flip Camera and more. MAKE is also encouraging everyone to post about what products they'd like to see open sourced."

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  1. The Space Shuttle by clemdoc · · Score: 5, Funny

    Opensource the Space Shuttle :)

    1. Re:The Space Shuttle by Rik+Sweeney · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Concorde

    2. Re:The Space Shuttle by Richard_at_work · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What needs to be open sourced about Concorde? The principles are well known, its the economics that are the deal breaker. Airbus, Boeing, Lockheed, Embraer and Bombardier could all produce a supersonic civil aircraft if they so wished - but it would have such a small market, it wouldn't make financial or business sense for them to do so.

  2. Won't Happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not going to happen for two reasons:
    - More often than not, technology or techniques developed from said projects are used in future or ongoing projects.
    - Only one thing worse than your project failing is releasing it in the wild and having another company or group making it successful without you.

    1. Re:Won't Happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'll give you number 4:
      -The company that released the product likely did not invent every piece of technology in it. Especially with the kind of hardware in this list, at least some parts or patents on some parts were licensed from a 3rd party.

      If we really cared, we could probably get this list to 20, guy who wrote this article is dreaming.

    2. Re:Won't Happen by martin-boundary · · Score: 3

      Number 5: some parts are GPL, but the license terms were not followed...

    3. Re:Won't Happen by clang_jangle · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We hope some day ayaaayhayyy you'll join u-huh-us

      And ideeeee-yaaaaas will be free again!

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    4. Re:Won't Happen by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This and also : patented technologies used that might leave a company liable and similarly licensed technology used that cannot be open sourced. They're asking companies to take a product they are about to kill and spend a lot of money on it to go through the code weeding out anything that might expose them to lawsuits. In exchange for what, exactly ? It might be a boon to customers using legacy products but you want those using your new products, there's zero upside for companies on this.

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    5. Re:Won't Happen by Urkki · · Score: 3, Funny

      Dreaming? Dreaming is free!

      No it's not. Daytime dreaming costs our economy billions, even trillions of dollars every year! What society needs is a brainwave analyzer and a dream counter, so dreams can be taxed and lost productivity converted to money, to be funneled back to the economy through the usual channels.

    6. Re:Won't Happen by MarkGriz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Number 6: We don't anyone to know how crappy our code is

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    7. Re:Won't Happen by Digital+Vomit · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You forgot a third reason:
      - Corporations have no intention of ever fulfilling their obligation to the public domain as demanded by copyright law.

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  3. IP is the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    All products would most likely need an audit which would take both time and money...to avoid any legal trouble that could happen. Something I doubt either company would do for the sake of giving people free shit. But you never know, maybe they have higher moral fiber than I think :)

  4. Nope. by cpu6502 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    These companies don't want to compete against their own products (released to open source). They'd rather make these products disappear forever, and force customers to buy the newest gadgets.

    Basically it's the same strategy Microsoft follows when it refuses to open source Windows 3 or 95 or XP.

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  5. Re:Palm by Moryath · · Score: 3, Funny

    You have that already. Everyone - barring a glitch in the system - is issued two at birth. Usually they come with five "finger" add-on expansion units free of charge, too.

    Now, it's up to you to supply your own ink, back up your data regularly, and take care of the daily maintenance to keep your Palms in good working order...

  6. Did Deep Blue cheat? by Atari400 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think the only way to find out would be to see if Deep Blue would make the same move again, and what the code looked like that would prompt it to do so.

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  7. Re:AIBO is dead? by Moryath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    to deal with all the sacred cows the company had accumulated over the years.

    So Sony is the corporate equivalent of a Mooby's? Wait... actually, that kinda makes sense.

    But no, the reason he was hired was to be a distraction, really. Sony's real business model has always been to try to take over the standard so that everyone has to license from them.

    Consider the following list:
    Beta vs VHS -> Sony collected royalties for over two decades on Beta in the form of Betacam recording and the professional TV industry (where image quality did in fact matter more).

    DAT vs standard audiotape vs CD Audio -> DAT was actually very popular in Europe and Asia for a good while. Licensing restrictions and "piracy worries" kept it mostly out of the US thanks to the MafiAA.

    Minidisc vs CD Audio -> See DAT. Minidisc eventually came back for another, even more stupid round as the "UMD" they were pushing in the PSP.

    ATRAC audio vs MP3 audio -> The reason nobody in their right mind would ever buy a Sony portable music player as compared to, say, a Nomad or iPod.

    Sony MemoryStick vs SD Memory Sticks -> Sony keeps pushing out their own proprietary lines of gear. PSP and a host of cameras keep this line alive and it sells, despite being way overpriced compared to the SD Micro format.

    Think about it. Why did the PS2 have a DVD drive? Sony was part of the DVD consortium. Why did the PS3 have a Blu-Ray drive? Same reason. Before the PS3 launched, HD-DVD was actually winning the format war despite Sony USA refusing to put out any of their movie catalog in the format.

    That's the Sony business model. Try to win a "format war" in a way that everyone has to pay you royalties to license your format. Everything else is ancillary at best.

  8. Re:Complicated rights issues by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Informative

    Except that without the rights to redistribute that code, you're advocating copyright infringement.

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  9. Re:Complicated rights issues by noname444 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just release what you legally can. If someone is interested they can replace the floating point parts.

  10. Can take a lot of work by pruss · · Score: 3, Informative

    Unfortunately, it can take a fair amount of work to properly open source a large commercial project. The commercial project may well have bits of code and other assets from various sources under various restrictive licenses and either permission would need to be obtained (which makes work for the legal department) or documentation for the restricted code would need to be written so that somebody in the company or a volunteer could do a clean-room rewrite. And even if there is in fact no such code or asset in the project, I assume due diligence would require someone at the company to go through the project carefully to make sure that they have the right to release all of it. Plus, even after all that was done, there may be issues with required proprietary build tools--though that issue could be left for the community to work around (one can release a tarball that doesn't compile and let someone try to figure it out)--and, as many people mentioned, there may be issues with patents. Last year, I tracked down and persuaded the author of the now defunct but excellent PalmOS astronomy app 2sky to release it under the GPL. But open sourcing it wasn't easy, even though this was a much smaller project than some of the ones mentioned. There were a large number of chunks of code to be rewritten because the author had obtained them under a GPL-incompatible license. And for me to be able to generate binaries and debug, I had to switch it to an open source toolchain from Codewarrior. And finally I had to reverse-engineer some of the author's database formats because he couldn't track down the documentation for them and the data needed to be updated (new daylight-savings rules, new comet data). It all works now (open2sky.sf.net), but it was more work than I expected. The point is that to open source a large project is more work than inserting GPL notices and tarring. A company needs to make sure that everything they can't open source has been removed, and they may feel reasonably hesitant about releasing an obsolete project that doesn't successfully build. I still wish they would release. :-)

  11. Re:AIBO is dead? by Desler · · Score: 3, Informative

    The link I meant to post was this: http://www.betanews.com/article/Bluray-Disc-Sales-Surpass-HD-DVD/1172267610

    Here is another link:

    Blu-ray outsold HD DVD by a nearly 2-to-1 margin for the first nine months of the year, selling 2.6 million units to HD DVD’s 1.4 million.

    Again, this story was like 8 months before Warner switched. Sorry, but your post is historical revisionism nonsense.