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Forging a Head: The Upside of Scientific Hoaxes

An anonymous reader writes "In a very funny piece over at Science Careers (published by the journal Science), scientist-comedian Adam Ruben suggests that a lot of good can come from a well-intentioned hoax. 'Hoaxes have infiltrated science for centuries,' Ruben writes, 'from fake fossils (Piltdown Man, archaeoraptor, Calaveras skull) to fake medical conditions (cello scrotum, the disappearing blonde gene) to fake animals (Ompax spatuloides, Pacific Northwest tree octopus, Labradoodle).' In contrast to fraud, Ruben argues, such hoaxes do a great service to science by illustrating 'failures of our most important tool: our skepticism.'"

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  1. Yes but by mr100percent · · Score: 2, Interesting

    While it's true that we need one of these every so often to remind us of the need for scientific rigor, it also does great damage to science for many. e.g. Climategate gave ammo for global warming deniers, piltdown man gave more credence to creationists, etc.

    1. Re:Yes but by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, "Climategate" gave ammo for global warming deniers within their own echo chamber. The whole shit was made up from out-of-context quotes making up about 1 ppm of the stolen mails they scanned for it. Nothing a rational man would consider harmful. That's playing in a completely different league than the piltdown man, which was made up from beginning to end.

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    2. Re:Yes but by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 2, Funny

      And your scientific reason for that statement is... anal extraction? The big bad global climate conspiracy, made up of tens of thousands of scientists is out for you too? Better stay in your basement then. They are SCARY.

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    3. Re:Yes but by Arlet · · Score: 4, Informative

      There are relatively few scientists in the field of climate science that question global warming. There are certainly not 'thousands'.

    4. Re:Yes but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There are relatively few jobs in the field of climate science that allow questioning global warming. Practically all of the funding for it now derives from global warming alarmism. The people paying for it always want to know, "What are you doing about global warming?" and the answer "Taking a serious skeptical look at whether it actually exists." consistently results in pulled funding.

      The field ballooned tremendously with external support and funding, almost all feeding the side that says "the sky is falling", because the people outside of the field inclined to believe it unquestioningly see it as important enough to throw huge amounts of money at, while those who are skeptical or outright disbelieving see it as a rather low spending priority.

      It's a very good example of why you can't find truth by a vote of the people in a field: sometimes the vast majority are hired directly into one side of the argument.

    5. Re:Yes but by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      While it's true that we need one of these every so often to remind us of the need for scientific rigor

      Define "us". The scientifically literate are already skeptical. Joe sixpack is going to oscillate between believing everything he hears and believing nothing. While that might sound good to those who believe in shit like crowdsourcing & the gambler's fallacy, in reality it's about as good as a stopped clock.

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    6. Re:Yes but by rubycodez · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's not the point, whether they question global warming or not. the point is "There are thousands of scientists who question the methodologies and conclusions of the CRU". That junk science by them is being the basis for a planned multi-trillion dollar parasitic system on the most developed countries.

    7. Re:Yes but by nbauman · · Score: 2

      There are dozens of scientists who question the methodologies and conclusions of the CRU.

      We have to take them seriously on the merits. That's the way science works. But for policy purposes, we should go along with the overwhelming majority.

    8. Re:Yes but by nbauman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "There are thousands of scientists who question the methodologies and conclusions of the CRU".

      Every scientific paper I read has a section on the limitations of the methodologies and conclusions of the study. That's standard thoughtful academic writing. Scientists question *everything*. That doesn't mean their conclusions are wrong. It just means they've carefully considered alternative explanations.

      For global warming, the overwhelming consensus makes it unlikely their conclusions are wrong.

      It's possible they could be wrong. Anything is possible. But when we're faced with an imminent danger, we have to stop arguing over hypotheticals created by coal and gas industry think tanks and come to a plan of action.

    9. Re:Yes but by rubycodez · · Score: 2

      I don't like fossil fuel pollution either, and your death and maiming statistics are too low.

    10. Re:Yes but by superwiz · · Score: 2

      Climategate has actually proven that the degree of certainty of their conclusions is overstated. It hasn't disproven the theory, of course. But that's not really the point. In fact, you can't credibly claim damage to debate if it's shown that the side which goes by the mantra "trust us" is possibly deluding itself. Let's be honest, if the same kinds of emails came out from quant department of an investment bank, everyone would be saying that this bank is a fraud. I think we can insist on the same degree of rigor from science which is supposed to effect public policy as we do from investment banks.

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    11. Re:Yes but by superwiz · · Score: 2

      Your statement about scientist in this case is completely untrue. They most certainly do have a vested interest in the conclusions since their funding is tied to the amount of public acceptance of their conclusions. And once again, since their conclusions directly effect public policy, even more specifically global energy policy, the amount scrutiny they have to receive is actually larger than the amount of scrutiny which banks have to receive. A bad decision by a quant in an investment bank could result in a loss of a few billions. A bad decision by a climate scientist, once it results in public policy, could result in a loss of trillions.

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    12. Re:Yes but by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 2

      You mean they blackballed one journal that happened to publish a denialist article without it going through review? That journal? The one, where the editors had to resign later, because that's where the TRUE scientific scandal did happen? I won't even argue with the rest of your talking points. They have been thoroughly debunked ages ago. Repeating them is lying. Simple as that.

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    13. Re:Yes but by ArcherB · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Deniers have a lot more to gain in the short term than believers, and based on that alone, I find the believers more believable.

      "Believers":
      For business, we are talking about trillions of dollars in government investment and laws that will favor your bottom line if you play ball. GE, for example made billions in profits and paid zero in taxes. Carbon credit trading companies stand to be the next Enron, except they will be trading government mandated nothings in exchange for real cash.

      Government stand to gain unlimited power. They will gain the power to tell citizens what to eat, here to go, what to drive, where to work, what they will do, where to live and what temperature to keep that house at. They will literally be able to control EVERY SINGLE ASPECT of the lives of citizens. This may also go beyond borders as well. A "world eco government" could be set up to set international rules. Of course, companies that play ball will receive government help, so the system is pre set up for corruption.

      Scientists can gain because there is so much money and power to be gained, scientists and universities seeking grants will have better luck proposing a study that will "prove that stricter government control is required to prevent global catastrophe" will more likely get a grant than one that will "prove that global warming is not a problem and regulation is not needed".

      "Deniers":
      Scientist deniers are going nowhere. They do not get grants and get shunned by their peers.
      Politicians are being compared to flat earthers and ridiculed by the main stream media. NBC and MSNBC were owned by GE, btw, who made billions in profits, yet paid no taxes.
      Businesses gain nothing by being a global warming denier. They lose any "green cred" which would run off an environmentally conscious customers. Oil companies are about to have their taxes raised (or tax brakes taken away, same thing) while gas prices are at a all time high.

      So, it appears that "believers" have unlimited power and money to gain. The absolute best anyone can hope for by being a "denier" is the status quo, so absolutely nothing to gain, but everything to lose.

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    14. Re:Yes but by Troed · · Score: 2

      Changing the whole model would be one (II to E) - that is why we have no model that has been verified against observations over an extended period of time yet.

      As for GISS model E, it's quite a way off observations currently.

      http://bobtisdale.wordpress.com/2011/03/25/argo-era-nodc-ocean-heat-content-data-0-700-meters-through-december-2010/

      http://bobtisdale.wordpress.com/2008/09/11/giss-model-e-climate-simulations/
      http://bobtisdale.wordpress.com/2008/09/16/giss-model-e-climate-simulations-part-2/

    15. Re:Yes but by BergZ · · Score: 2

      I think it is worth while to point out that, of the 5 independent investigations that were launched as a result of the so-called "Climategate", all 5 have exonerated the Climatologists under investigation. None of the 5 were able to find any evidence of scientific malpractice. I'd call that, coupled with the endorsement of the G-7 national academies of science, a pretty unequivocal vindication of the science of Global Climate Change.

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    16. Re:Yes but by hsthompson69 · · Score: 2

      None of the 5 whitewashes actually investigated the science, conspicuously so.

      For those interested in even more details: http://rossmckitrick.weebly.com/uploads/4/8/0/8/4808045/rmck_climategate.pdf

      The sad part here is that had the inquiries been honest, they could have possibly recovered some of their lost credibility. Instead, we now have yet again baseless appeals to authority in order to justify a non-falsifiable hypothesis.

      If you want to talk about the "science" of Global Climate Change, posit your falsifiable hypothesis first. Models upon models upon fudge factors isn't science, it's entertainment.

    17. Re:Yes but by ArcherB · · Score: 3, Informative

      Until th deniers can put up peer reviewed research to discredit the current scientific consensus, then they are just part of the FUD.

      Wait a minute. Wasn't that whole climate-gate email scandal because scientists were trying to keep scientists who might disagree with them from getting their word out? Won't you simply accuse any scientist that shows that GW is not a problem or is not happening of spreading FUD and/or working for big oil or (insert evil company here)? So they prevent those that may disprove their work from getting published, attack and credibility and ridicule any who might get the word out otherwise and then use the fact that no published or credible work disagrees with them as proof that their work is correct.

      Of course, anyone who disagrees is immediately discredited simply by the very fact that they disagree. Here is a quote that proves it:

      However, you miss the fact that most deniers are also attacking science in general.

      See, those that disagree are labeled "deniers", as in they are denying the facts. And of course, simply by the fact that they question GW, they are "attacking science in general". In other words, they have no credibility as scientists because a real scientist wouldn't dare go against the "consensus".

      Also, "consensus" means nothing in science. Everything that science has proved wrong was once supported by a consensus. Science is not a democracy.

      Oil companies will lose their subsidies and tax breaks. Boo hoo. Perhaps then we will finally get a real sustainable energy policy and ditch oil crack habit.that will eventually drive us into the ditch. The longer we wait, the worse it will be.

      You do know that companies don't pay taxes, right? Companies, including oil companies, pass any increase in cost directly to their customers.

      Your post is a fine example of what I like to call environmental hypocrisy. You will fight tooth and nail to not do so much as take your shoes off to get on airplane. You will fight to the death for the right to not carry an ID card. However, because you believe that there will be an energy shortage one day, you want government to create an artificial shortage today. It doesn't matter that we have enough energy to last us for hundreds of years, you wish to create an artificial shortage by limiting the amount of energy we may produce domestically and you actually believe that it will somehow make us import less. People like you are so happy to punish those who use more than you that you lose your ability to think logically. You really don't care that you have to pay more for food and transportation as long as you know that the rich guy in the SUV has to pay more also. You are happy to make someone else suffer for their lifestyle, simply because you don't like it. And when you see that mother of two have to tell her kids that they can't afford to go to Grandma's house because gas is too expensive, you comfort yourself by saying, “we all have to make sacrifices in order to create the world that I want to live in. Besides, they can see Grandma on Facetime.”

      The best part? You accuse others of using fear to force the people to change the way they do things and then turn around use fear to force others to change the way they live their lives. It means nothing to you that real people have really died due to terrorism, and that terrorists really do want to kill more people, you see climate change as a bigger threat even though exactly zero people have died due to global warming, and that climate change has happened since the beginning of time. You want government to force me to live my life the way YOU think I should live it, even though, and I use your words, “There aren't any scientists out there saying we can stop climate change. We passed that point a long time ago. We can only reduce the impact and prepare.”

      You won't remove your shoes to stop terrorists from killing the innocent, but you will gladly pay more for your life just to keep me from taking my little girl away from the city lights to see the rings of Saturn through her new telescope.

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    18. Re:Yes but by hsthompson69 · · Score: 2

      Actually, I didn't just appeal against authority, I provided a citation for exactly what the problems were with the Climategate whitewashes.

      Let's take one example, Oxborough. An investigation so thorough that it ended up being 5 pages long. Here's some relevant detail on the 11 so-called representative papers they examined (and you'll of course do me the favor of actually responding to the specific allegations and problems here, rather than appealing again to authority of course):

      The Committee did not issue a call for evidence. They claimed that the 11 papers they selected for examination were chosen because they “cover a period of more than twenty years and were selected on the advice of the Royal Society.” (Report paragraph 3). UK blogger Andrew Montford inquired who at the Royal Society advised on the selection. In response, the Royal Society would only state that they recommended the Committee have access to “any and all papers” they needed, but would not confirm the claim that they had selected the 11 papers specifically. It later emerged that the Royal Society did not provide any meaningful advice on the selection of papers. The actual chronology of their selection was unearthed through FOIA requests.

      On 12 March 2010, UEA Vice-Chancellor Trevor Davies contacted Martin Rees of the Royal Society and Brian Hoskins (FRS) of the Hadley Centre to ask if they could say the list had been selected on the advice of the Royal Society.

      Ron [Oxburgh]... is keen that we can say that it was constructed in consultation with the Royal Society. I did send you this list earlier, which I attach again here.[List obtained] They represent the core body of CRU work around which most of the assertions have been flying. They are also the publications which featured heavily in our submission to the Parliamentary Inquiry, and in our answers to the Muir Russell Review’s questions.

      I would be very grateful if you would be prepared to allow us to use a form of words along the lines: “the publications were chosen in consultation with The Royal Society”.

      Seven minutes later Martin Rees replied:

      Dear Trevor, It seems to me that the scope of the panel’s work is a matter primarily for Ron [Oxburgh], but if Brian [Hoskins] is also happy with this choice of papers (as you know, I have no relevant expertise myself!) I see no problem with saying that the list was drawn up in consultation. best wishes Martin

      Thirteen minutes later Brian Hoskins replied:

      Dear Trevor I am not aware of all the papers that could be included in the list, but I do think that these papers do cover the issues of major concern. Best wishes Brian

      (text of emails posted at http://climateaudit.org/2010/06/10/british-due-diligence-royal-society-style/)

      That is the extent of the consultation behind the claim of the Inquiry that the papers were selected “on the advice of the Royal Society.” It is more accurate to say that the list of papers to be studied by the “independent” inquiry was drawn up by the UEA itself, and within about 20 minutes was rubber-stamped by two members of the Royal Society, both of whom cautioned that they did not have the proper expertise to do so. At no time was the list subject to any extensive examination by members of the Royal Society itself.

      As for the 11 papers themselves, they were never ones that have been controversial (see http://climateaudit.org/2010/04/15/a-fair-sample/). The list also omitted the paleoclimate papers that had been subject to controversy, such as the Tornetrask and Yamal papers by Keith Briffa, and all the ‘hockey stick’-related paleoclimate papers from CRU. By focusing only on journal articles, the Oxburgh panel avoided the key question of whether CRU staff had suppressed uncertainties in WMO and IPCC Reports.

  2. Re:I did not evolve from an ape.... by maxwell+demon · · Score: 5, Funny

    So I get you are still an ape? Fortunately I evolved away from that. :-)

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  3. Somehow... I don't believe it by c0lo · · Score: 4, Funny

    In contrast to fraud, Ruben argues, such hoaxes do a great service to science by illustrating 'failures of our most important tool: our skepticism.'"

    But... was this peer-reviewed?

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  4. Fake Dogs?!? by Alcoholic+Synonymous · · Score: 3, Informative

    Wait...

    Labradoodle's are fake? I bet all the Labradoodle owners would be shocked to learn their dogs are not real.

    Maybe the author should research before he declares what's real and what isn't. I mean, his bad science isn't actually helping here.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labradoodle

    1. Re:Fake Dogs?!? by ShakaUVM · · Score: 5, Funny

      Labradoodles are both real, *and* a blasphemous abomination before the Lord.

      Seriously. Labs and Poodles should never be in the same room together, let alone mated. They're the most disgustingly horrific dog to have ever been successfully bred this side of Lovecraft's fecund imagination.

    2. Re:Fake Dogs?!? by RDW · · Score: 4, Funny

      One thing the wikipedia article doesn't mention is the distinctive bark of the Labradoodle, an unusual sound often written as 'Whoosh!'

    3. Re:Fake Dogs?!? by formfeed · · Score: 2

      They're the most disgustingly horrific dog to have ever been successfully bred this side of Lovecraft's fecund imagination.

      No, that would be the cross between an American and a Poodle, the Yankee Doodle.

  5. Re:I did not evolve from an ape.... by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 2

    If you understand evolution to mean that you, personally, have been an amoeba at some time, you are so far out that I don't know what to tell you here. Please, read up on the subject before making comments. Besides, every scientific theory is unproven. the thing about evolution is that it is unfalsified despite of decades of people trying hard.

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  6. Re:It goes both ways by TapeCutter · · Score: 4, Informative

    Most skeptics reject everything outright

    Those people are not skeptics.

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  7. Re:I did not evolve from an ape.... by mangu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is more evidence in Creationism - as well as it making more sense.

    But if we take Bronze Age myths as evidence, then there's much more evidence for theories other than Judeo-Christian creationism. There are hundreds, thousands of different creationist myths out there.

    If you think an old book is evidence enough you have to consider all other old books as equally valid, don't you?

  8. Re:I did not evolve from an ape.... by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 2

    I am pretty much tired of this discussion. The evidence supporting evolution is laid down in decades worth of scientific journals filled with articles on every detail. First we constructed the interrelationship of species by anatomical means. Later we learned to read genetic codes and protein sequences. And guess what - the relationships derived from those are nearly identical to the earlier though. What stronger evidence do you need? Well, you are entitled to your believes of course, but reality exists separately from those.

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  9. Re:I did not evolve from an ape.... by Calydor · · Score: 2

    Well, an amoeba is a single-cell organism.

    At the moment of conception you really were an amoeba.

    Your point is invalid.

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  10. Re:I did not evolve from an ape.... by JoshuaZ · · Score: 2

    Part of what you said is sort of correct. None of your ancestors was an amoeba. Whether one of your ancestors was an ape or just a common ancestor between humans and apes is uninteresting semantics. You had ancestors that would look like something any of us would see and say "that's an ape!" . But let's focus on the amoeba claim. Amoebas are not simple primitive organisms. Indeed, they share some similarities with complex life forms such as the presence of a cell nucleus. Amoebas are highly adopted for their niches. This means that no ancestor you had ever resembled an amoeba. You did have single-celled ancestors but that's not the same claim. Let me tentatively suggest that if you think that amoeba is a generic term for single-celled organism then you really don't have nearly enough knowledge to discuss evolution, and thinking you know enough to reject it against the scientific consensus is probably an example of the Dunning-Kruger effect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger_effect. So take a few biology classes. Local colleges will often allow people to take classes they have. Start with an intro bio class, then take a genetics class and an evolutionary biology class. At that point, if you still reject evolution you'll at least understand what you are rejecting.

  11. Re:It goes both ways by OnTheEdge · · Score: 3

    "Most skeptics reject everything outright" This may very well be true of most skeptics you know, but my definition of skeptics is different. My definition, and the skeptics I know, more closely align with the definition of skepticism associated with philosophy (second definition here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skepticism#Definition) or the one just following for scientific skepticism (here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skepticism#Scientific_skepticism). They tend not to reject everything outright, but to suspend judgement until sufficient evidence is in place to make a judgement.

  12. Trust and skepticism by Fractal+Dice · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Science is about focused skepticism, not general skepticism. It is very difficult to successfully peer review a paper that is deliberately attempting to decieve. Those usually need to wait until the experiments are repeated and fail to produce the expected results. Politics is a bitter, poisonous soup of lies and disingenuous spins where accurate models do not trump clever rhetoric and trolls will attempt to strike you down not in the search for truth, but just to see if they can do it. Science is hard enough to do without people deliberately attempting to set you up for failure.

    1. Re:Trust and skepticism by nbauman · · Score: 2

      You've had your chance to argue once again that global warming is bad science. I'm not convinced. You're using a standard debater's trick, which is to go through an enormous document and find details to disagree with. You're entitled to try, but it doesn't hold up. You're reduced to an ad hominem attack on Phil Jones rather than addressing the merits.

      I think it's good science. More important, most of the top scientists in the world think it's good science.

      The weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, OTOH, don't exist. They were a deliberate lie. Colin Powell stood up in the UN, showed photographs of supposed poison gas generators (actually hydrogen balloon generators) and said that he had "irrefutable" evidence if WMDs. I was ready to believe him. I didn't think anybody would go out on a limb like that if it wasn't true. It turned out to be a lie. The entire Bush Administration lied. More Americans died in Iraq than in the World Trade Center. And yet they elected Bush again. So politicians have no accountability for lies.

  13. Re:God is punishing the Bible Belt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Neither the tornado season nor any floodings are outside of historial norms. Don't let mass media educate you on science.

    http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-04-tornadoes-climate.html

  14. Re:It goes both ways by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 2, Interesting

    We rightfully call this kind of people "deniers" or "denialists". They may foam at the mouth as much as they like, that is what they are.

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  15. Re:Labradoodle is real by PPH · · Score: 2

    Real enough. But they are rotten hunting dogs if you are going after the elusive jackalope.

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  16. Re:It goes both ways by clang_jangle · · Score: 2

    Grumpy people whose default setting is "no new information" do indeed label themselves skeptics. The funny thing is a lot of them seem to be incredibly gullible once they let that guard down. Makes me wonder if the "skeptic" pose is a form of self-protection.

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  17. Epigenetics is Saving the Blonde Gene by crunchygranola · · Score: 2

    Fortunately the disappearance of the blonde gene in females cannot happen due to a interesting epigenetic phenomenon.

    As is well known, blondeness is fairly prevalent at birth in both males and females but fades as the individual matures, with most blondes turning brunette before the end of adolescence. But a remarkable phenomenon, evidently involving the modification of the blonde gene possibly through environmental effects, often occurs soon after whereupon the prevalence of blondeness starts to increase again. Most remarkable, individuals whose innate blondeness was never expressed as a child (they were always brunette), begin to express the blonde gene in early adulthood. For reasons that so far remain unexplained this phenomenon, though not avoiding males entirely, is almost entirely seen in females.

    It appears then that this epigenetic phenomenon will act to restore blondeness to the female population offsetting any long-term trends to the gene's underlying extinction.

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    1. Re:Epigenetics is Saving the Blonde Gene by JoeMerchant · · Score: 2

      I'm sorry, are you sure it's epigenetics and not hydrogen peroxide?

  18. Re:Skepticism by thomst · · Score: 2

    Most skeptics reject everything outright.

    I'm inclined to dismiss that statement out of hand ...

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  19. Creationst argument detected... by TapeCutter · · Score: 2

    The reality of the situation is that, with vanishingly few exceptions, a biologist who is determined to do any work which does not presuppose the existence of evolution will quickly find himself an unemployed outcast. Students unwilling to presuppose the existence of evolution will have a very hard time graduating with an advanced degree relevant to the field.

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