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Man Unknowingly Tweets the Osama Raid

Sohaib Athar, a.k.a. @ReallyVirtual, had no idea the helicopters he was complaining about on twitter were part of the top secret mission that killed Osama bin Laden Sunday night. 10 hours before bin Laden's death was announced Athar posted: "Helicopter hovering above Abbottabad at 1AM (is a rare event).” From the article: "During the raid, Athar speculates that he was two or three kilometers away from the shooting that took place. Once news broke that bin Laden had been killed in Abbottabad, Athar tweeted, 'Uh oh, now I’m the guy who liveblogged the Osama raid without knowing it.'”

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  1. This is good to know by ls671 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is good to know. Otherwise his tweet might have ended up on some conspiracy theorist sites with a "black helicopters" tag or something...

    A very interesting point is that it is said one of the 4 choppers was hit by enemy fire which I haven't heard about yet. President Obama said "no Americans were injured" so I would assume it was only a minor hit.

    On another topic, CNN just announced a few minutes ago that there is a DNA match confirming the body was indeed Osama. They also announced that the FBI has updated its most wanted list, it makes sense I guess...

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    1. Re:This is good to know by rwven · · Score: 4, Informative

      Nah, it was a US helicopter that went down, but it was a minor incident. The "window shaking bang" was when the seals blew up the chopper on the way out (since it apparently couldn't fly). There's been a lot of news coverage on that topic. :-P

    2. Re:This is good to know by moco · · Score: 5, Funny

      one of the 4 choppers was hit by enemy fire

      sources said that it was hit by a giant swatter

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    3. Re:This is good to know by AHuxley · · Score: 3, Informative

      http://stocksthatpay.com/?p=16697 with a pic "U.S. helicopter, which was destroyed to protect intelligence"

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    4. Re:This is good to know by kdogg73 · · Score: 2

      I wish I had mod points for you.

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    5. Re:This is good to know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Read carefully. He tweeted 10 hours before his death was *announced* by Obama. In that 10 hours, the raid took place, OBL was killed, the body was brought to Afghanistan, positively ID'd and perhaps even already given a seamans grave.

    6. Re:This is good to know by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I thought Marines were only capable of grunts.

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    7. Re:This is good to know by similar_name · · Score: 4, Funny

      But where is the death certificate?

    8. Re:This is good to know by John+Napkintosh · · Score: 3, Funny

      Donald Trump is hard at work on this.

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    9. Re:This is good to know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      New at the top of the FBI's most wanted list is the guy that tweeted about the helicopters.

    10. Re:This is good to know by lennier1 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Force Recon Marines have been observed to speak up to a dozen words. Guess that's what makes them the elite of their branch.

    11. Re:This is good to know by sorak · · Score: 4, Funny

      But where is the death certificate?

      Damned good question! And it better be the long form, too, by golly.

      But if it says this went down in Hawaii, I'm calling bullshit!

    12. Re:This is good to know by turbidostato · · Score: 2

      "But where is the death certificate?"

      Ehuhh... I think it's enough if Netcraft confirms it.

    13. Re:This is good to know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      a seamans grave.

      Is that kind of like a bukkake?

    14. Re:This is good to know by marco.antonio.costa · · Score: 2

      There, I fixed your typo, teabagger. 'Conservative thought' has almost become indistinguishable from trolling.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

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    15. Re:This is good to know by Runaway1956 · · Score: 2

      "I did troll you for your thinly veiled racism"

      But, the thing is, you can't understand that you FAILED. Black, white, liberal, conservative, gay, straight, male, female - the vast majority of each of those groups are well aware that you can tell when a politician is lying. If his lips are moving, he's lying. If his lips are not moving, he's hiding something. So, your troll failed, because the original post was denigrating Obama for being a politician, not for being black.

      In short, you read into the post what you wanted/expected to hear, which means the psychological projection link was right for you.

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    16. Re:This is good to know by osu-neko · · Score: 2

      President Obama said "no Americans were injured" so I would assume it was only a minor hit.

      Given his occupation, you should assume President Obama was lying.

      Common misunderstanding by people who think they know what "skepticism" means, but actually don't. Believing a particular statement is false is every bit as non-skeptical an attitude as believing it is true. A skeptic does not believe either. Pardon me from being pedantic, but I'm always annoyed by the legions of incredibly gullible people who call themselves skeptical because of all their unfounded beliefs (this is false, that is false, yada yada).

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  2. Re:Huh. by NotAGoodNickname · · Score: 4

    Directly contradict how? The man says a helicopter, a big bang. How does that contradict anything?

  3. I can't find it by nbauman · · Score: 2
    1. Re:I can't find it by mayko · · Score: 5, Funny

      Awww... No street view?

    2. Re:I can't find it by milgram · · Score: 5, Funny

      Why didn't we just search Google for his location? It is even marked! ;)

    3. Re:I can't find it by StormReaver · · Score: 4, Funny

      U.S. Intelligence really sucks for not being able to find this place. Google Maps clearly labels it, "Osama bin Laden's Compound", yet the U.S. still couldn't find it?

    4. Re:I can't find it by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 2

      DUH! Just type "Osama Bin Laden" into Google maps and up it pops! I wonder why nobody thought to try this before now? I'm gonna try "Waldo" and "Carmen Sandiego" next!

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    5. Re:I can't find it by jank1887 · · Score: 4, Funny

      the reviews for that place are awesome:

      - Free HBO, but "death to America! " chants were getting old. Better options nearby.

      - Cold and drafty at night, walls full of holes.

      - I heard that this place is now available (prior residents left suddenly and unexpectedly).

    6. Re:I can't find it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, that doesn't make sense. I've seen a few locations guessed wrong (including on CNN, who just zoomed in on downtown Abbottabad). None of those locations in the thread are right so far.

      It's been described as a 3-story building with a walled balcony on one side and a high wall around it, fitting what is seen in the ground photos in the news stories. Location-wise, yes, it is near Abbottabad, but is described as being in the outskirts, and only a few hundred metres from the local military school -- that places it on the east or northeast side of Abbottabad. The neighborhood has also been described in the media, and a BBC article showed a box around the relevant area on the map, between Abbottabad and Kakul. Within that area, this building and walled compound is noticeably bigger and has a higher wall than most other buildings in the area, has a bunker on one side of the roof as seen in the ground photos (at the N side of the roof), and a walled balcony on the opposite side (the S side). It closely matches the appearance of the building in the ground photos. Ah, just as I was about to add in the BBC link, I discovered that they've already updated their map with a more precise location: that is the right spot.

    7. Re:I can't find it by guruevi · · Score: 5, Funny

      The US Military went over it's bandwidth cap with AT&T and was confined to 56k for all their web traffic.

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    8. Re:I can't find it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Here it is http://maps.google.com/maps?q=osama+bin+laden+&hl=en&view=map&mcsrc=google_reviews&num=10&ie=UTF8&start=20&cid=11196890339658103699&t=h&ll=34.184471,73.246193&spn=0.010331,0.01929&z=16&iwloc=A

      Not according to the BBC, who place it slightly further east: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=osama%27s+hideout&ie=UTF8&hq=osama%27s+hideout&hnear=&cid=11926225655530825281&ll=34.169377,73.242888&spn=0.00348,0.006968&t=h&z=18&iwloc=A

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13257330

  4. Re:Huh. by fermion · · Score: 2

    Now we not only have MS shills, Apple shills, GOATSE shills, but also Fox news shills. When will it all end.

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  5. Call me Crazy... by MonsterTrimble · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But why would they take the body, promptly bury it at sea, then tell the world? I understand that they would want to minimize the impact in the islamic world by not defiling his body in any way which was recorded, but it seems like this would be something you show on television, that it's REALLY him. Who knows, maybe they made a deal with him and he's now in South America to live out his days in (even more) luxury. But that's the George Noory in me.

    And I'm also quite mystified why so many people are celebrating this. It took almost 10 years, trillions of dollars, the invasion of two countries (neither of which he was found in), and an untold number of lives lost to find a 6 foot 6 inch multi-millionaire (with diabetes!) living in a private luxury compound (in a well populated city) which was at least eight times larger then anything nearby. I don't think there is too much to celebrate here.

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    1. Re:Call me Crazy... by corbettw · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The statement I saw was that they dumped him in the ocean to deny his followers a crypt they could go to to revere him. And since both the ISI and al Qaeda have confirmed he was killed, I don't think the deathers are gonna get a lot of followers on this latest conspiracy theory (but then again, there are a lot of crazy and stupid people out there, so I could be wrong).

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    2. Re:Call me Crazy... by mspohr · · Score: 4, Insightful
      So why did we invade and occupy Iraq and Afghanistan? It seems to me that all we needed were a good investigation and a team of crack Navy Seals.

      Can we stop killing people now?

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    3. Re:Call me Crazy... by Remus+Shepherd · · Score: 2

      It is puzzling. The best explanation I've heard is that burial at sea within 24 hours of death fulfills Islamic tradition, but does not leave a shrine for terrorists to flock to.

      The only way this works politically, however, is if they took lots of pictures and video of the corpse as proof of identity. I expect those to come out before long.

      It took an outrageous fortune, and celebrating death is never a good thing, but this man was hated so much by so many that you can't begrudge them their celebration. No one mourns the wicked.

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    4. Re:Call me Crazy... by RingDev · · Score: 2, Informative

      We invaded Afghanistan because we demanded that they turn over Osama bin Laden, and they demanded we follow an extradition process.

      -Rick

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    5. Re:Call me Crazy... by vlm · · Score: 2

      Who knows, maybe they made a deal with him and he's now in South America to live out his days in (even more) luxury.

      More likely gitmo, spilling da beans about everyone else in his org whom are still (temporarily) alive? Later to be buried at sea in the gulf of mexico? Like anyone is ever gonna know. I suppose if the back pages report about 20 times as many people of interest have been captured this month than normal, then we'll "know".

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    6. Re:Call me Crazy... by AHuxley · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Re And I'm also quite mystified why so many people are celebrating this.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Minutes_Hate

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    7. Re:Call me Crazy... by vlm · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And I'm also quite mystified why so many people are celebrating this. It took almost 10 years, trillions of dollars, the invasion of two countries (neither of which he was found in), and an untold number of lives lost to find a 6 foot 6 inch multi-millionaire (with diabetes!) living in a private luxury compound (in a well populated city) which was at least eight times larger then anything nearby. I don't think there is too much to celebrate here.

      Some of the guys I work with were all high five-ing and cheering, and I'm like "dude, you know we lost, right?" ... wake me when I can fly on an airplane without my wife and daughter being molested by govt agents, when we've got at least some of our civil rights back, when my tax dollars aren't paying for a concentration camp, etc. So the leader of the guys who won, is now dead. Who cares, as if its going to improve anything for us.

      Roosevelt died right around the end of WWII ... were any of the Germans dumb enough to celebrate, despite their obvious loss? Yeah we're totally screwed here, uh huh, but the boss of the other guys is dead, so lets party like its 1935 again?

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    8. Re:Call me Crazy... by MozeeToby · · Score: 2

      No pictures released because by most reports it was at least one, possibly two, shots to the head with an assault rifle. There are several reasons that you wouldn't want to show that picture. First, it wouldn't prove anything, because he almost certainly wouldn't be recognizable. Second, you'll just piss off his allies even more. Third, it's just plain gory, they want to let people celebrate the guy is gone, not be reminded just how violent an end he came to (not that there aren't many, many people around the world who would be happy about that).

    9. Re:Call me Crazy... by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 2

      It took .. trillions of dollars [to kill him]

      That expense is spread over many other goals. Trillions of dollars weren't spent to kill Bin Laden (but probably a few million were). Trillions of dollars were spent to overthrow the governments of Afghanistan and Iraq, suppress Al Quaida, make profit for contractors who have friends in government, etc. Killing a particular person is only part of that overall objective.

      I understand that they would want to minimize the impact in the islamic world by not defiling his body in any way which was recorded

      IMHO even that was a mistake, but I'm no diplomat. I would have thought the best PR would be to treat him as a non-muslim, to emphasize (i.e. assert) that Bin Laden's decisions were contrary to any sort of mainstream Islamic teachings. But maybe thinking that is one of the many reasons I'm not president.

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    10. Re:Call me Crazy... by WSOGMM · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So why did we invade and occupy Iraq and Afghanistan? It seems to me that all we needed were a good investigation and a team of crack Navy Seals.

      Can we stop killing people now?

      I really like your use of "we" in this post, because we really are the ones killing people. People seem to think we are separate from our government.

    11. Re:Call me Crazy... by i+kan+reed · · Score: 4, Interesting

      To be completely fair to the US, it's fairly reasonable that if someone commits an act of war from inside your country, you wash your hands of them immediately, otherwise there's a kind of tacit acknlowedgement that said act of war falls within your jurisdiction. Not the best excuse ever, but better than the excuse Iraq got.

    12. Re:Call me Crazy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      celebrating death is never a good thing

      You're obviously not Irish

    13. Re:Call me Crazy... by mspohr · · Score: 2

      Are you referring to the Nov 2004 Fallujah offensive? What about the 75,000 who have died since then (iraqbodycount.org)? Or the additional 15,000 civilians who have died (disclosed in Wikileaks)?

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    14. Re:Call me Crazy... by spire3661 · · Score: 2

      I admit feeling guilty in taking pleasure at the death of another human being, but then i recall the mans' words (ive read his fatwas) and realize that 'justice is done'. From statements from his own mouth he declared WAR on us. I dont hate the middle east, I dont hate muslims or arabs or anyone. But I do HATE those that tell me to my face that they want me to not exist.

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    15. Re:Call me Crazy... by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Clearly we should just be barbarians too. Why don't we smack some civilian planes into their buildings why we are at it.

      Your kind are why we have these problems. If petty folks like yourself would grow up on both sides we would not have these issues.

    16. Re:Call me Crazy... by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      Why hate them? No point in wasting your time on that.
      Recognize them for what they are, mentally ill. I don't hate rabid dogs nor do I celebrate when one is euthanized.

    17. Re:Call me Crazy... by denyingbelial · · Score: 2

      Only problem with that is the dead don't talk.

      From what I understood, capturing him alive wasn't an option because it turned into a fullout firefight.

    18. Re:Call me Crazy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      You're wrong, son. Afganistan only offered *after* the invasion had begun.
       
      Nice revisionist history though...

    19. Re:Call me Crazy... by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      If it was chewing on me I would get rid of it myself. I still would not celebrate that. He did not pose much of a threat to me or you, statistically lightning is more likely to kill me than any terrorist. My car is orders of magnitude more likely to kill me. I am not clueless nor teenage, I am merely rational. To waste so much effort on something so unlikely to kill us is insane. Cars, Heart disease, Cancer those are the things to really be worried about.

      Also, your keyboard seems broken. A proper one would have a shift key.

    20. Re:Call me Crazy... by circletimessquare · · Score: 2

      it is of course a sign of unintelligent obsession that so many can't bring themselves to view the world except through the lens of one mildly amusing piece of orwell fiction. i liked that book, "1984." i actually like "animal farm" better. but in either case, i didn't feel the need to form a religious cult around it and alter my entire perception of reality around the stupid book's themes

      it is especially ironic to see orwell cited under this story, a story about a guy using twitter to tell the world what the government is doing. which is the ultimate expression of LITTLE BROTHER

      the state can't abuse you in today's world without someone taking a cellphone picture or tweeting about it. and yet so many fools persist with the delusion that orwell is prescient about the reality we live in today, when he's OBVIOUSLY NOT

      1984 is a just a piece of entertaining science fiction that lost its relevancy to reality sometime in 1970s. jesus fucking christ: the video of rodney king being beaten in 1991, 20 years ago, shows how technology has empowered LITTLE BROTHER, not big brother

      really, some of you fucking morons and your quasi-religious cult surrounding "1984" really need to grow some brain cells and lose your obsession. it's not relevant anymore, by decades. your mind is ossified into irrelevancy with ideas outmoded well into the last century

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    21. Re:Call me Crazy... by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      Go look up the numbers. Check what is killing Americans, terrorists are below farm animals on that list. You are chicken little and I must say the sky is not falling. We waste trillions on something that in decades kills less people than die on our highways in a month.

      While you are at it get a working keyboard, please test its shift function before posting again.

    22. Re:Call me Crazy... by wintercolby · · Score: 2

      We can't choose not to. All we can do is blog or tweet about our dissatisfaction, and vote for the people that say they'll finish the wars. I'd rather fund the reconstruction, but something has to be done about the corruption first. We can't blame it on the fact that they're developing countries, or the false idea that they have some lower moral standard than we do in the US, we started off on the wrong foot with no-bid contracts to Halliburton.

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    23. Re:Call me Crazy... by egburr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      49% of us *are* separate from our government. It only takes 51% to vote our leaders in.

      Ok, so that's not exactly true, but in spirit it's close enough. Many of us disagree with a lot of things the government does, but we're effectively powerless to change it. We can vote, but only the majority gets represented. We can revolt, but who has the better weapons, funds, and infrastructure? Until a vast majority of people are ready to revolt, it won't really matter; and, by then they really could just vote the leaders out instead.

      So, although our government is theoretically "the people", most of "the people" really have no say in what goes on.

      Maybe if our government were more open and kept us better informed about what was happening and why things are done the way thy are done, there may be more agreement that those things are necessary. As it is now, though, we are generally treated like kids asking "why" and getting just "because I said so" as the answer. Is it really surprising that so many people don't trust our government?

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    24. Re:Call me Crazy... by paintballer1087 · · Score: 2

      http://www.alqaeda.com/obituaries/

      Fool me once, shame on you.

      http://www.isi.com/boardofdirectors/

      Fool me twice, shame on me.
      I had to look at the 2nd link, just to make sure... Just like when you're 99% sure it's a Rick Roll or a goatse link, there's that 1% that says "what if it's not"... Fail...

    25. Re:Call me Crazy... by corbettw · · Score: 2

      http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2011/05/201152141416432205.html

      Article contains comments from a "senior al-Qaeda" member as well as a Taliban spokesman. Both are clamoring for revenge for bin Laden's death, rather than claiming it to be false and that their sheik/imam/whatever is still alive.

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  6. How they finally found Osama by Old97 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Osama had an iPhone and it kept track of his location. Good job, Steve!

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  7. Re:Wasn't it a week ago...? by t33jster · · Score: 2

    I thought I read somewhere that Osama was killed a week ago, not on Sunday. They were waiting for official confirmation before releasing the information that he was killed....

    I think the confusion here is that the operation was authorized a week ago. It didn't happen immediately. I believe I saw/heard a report that there was a rehearsal done by the team before the actual op.

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  8. Dude on vacation by vlm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I read about this dude, he's on vacation, "trying to get away from it all" and after all this breaks he's complaining that he can't get away from it all.

    Dude, your problem is your idea of "getting away from it all" is warped, in that you're twittering every 30 minutes when you see a F-ing airplane. Give your cellphone a burial at sea, then chill on a lawn chair (they have those in pakistan, right?) with a religiously appropriate mood enhancing substance and enjoy the solitude.

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  9. Re:Huh. by Gravitron+5000 · · Score: 2

    I'm sure there are plenty of creationists out there that will try to refute the big bang part.

  10. Re:All the reports say it was one week ago... by snl2587 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Remember that the 24-hour news channels rarely fact-check anything, preferring instead to report "breaking news". This has the nasty side-effect of turning hearsay into well-reported "facts", which then stick around and confuse people.

  11. Re:Huh. by Runaway1956 · · Score: 2

    No, you should be expected to:
    A: learn to read
    B: learn about time zones
    C: learn how to take multiple witness account and correlate them together
    D: understand that you're not the sharpest tool in the shed

    Those tweets are not the only first hand witness accounts of the action taking place. Everything that I've read supports the US government version of events pretty closely. The differences only help to support the story. I mean, if everyone gave out the identical same version of events, I'd be very suspicious!!

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  12. Don't call me crazy!! by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 2

    I think you're repeating the oft-made mistake here of thinking the operation in Iraq had something to do with the "War on Terror".

    (Did you read my post?) No, I'm thinking that whatever money was spent on the Iraq war, can't be counted toward the cost of killing Bin Laden. MonsterTrimble tried to make it sounds like trillions of dollars were spent to kill Bin Laden. I have heard a lot of whackjob conspiracy theories and I have heard some very plausible explanations for why the Iraq war happened, but so far nobody has suggested that Iraq was invaded as part of Bush's brilliant round-about way of gathering intell about Bin Laden's address or guard-changing schedule.

    Just my luck, it'll turn out to be true. Next month we'll read a story that someone in Pakistan knew where Bin Laden was and was willing to cough up the info. But instead of settling for the half-million dollar reward, he said he'd only reveal the coordinates if the US government could make his dream come true of running a profitable ice cream store in Bagdad. But Saddam Hussein hated ice cream and would never let it happen. After much negotiating, Bush reluctantly agreed to invade Iraq.

    Some turmoil followed, but was eventually sorted out. The informant was finally able to enter Iraq in 2005 and open the store, but the economy was shit and the store didn't make a profit. After filing Chapter 7 in 2008, the informant tried again and opened a yogurt store and it worked and he made it into a good business. Then in October 2010 he got an idea to use the success of this yogurt business to subsidize the building of a new ice cream campaign. At first it didn't work, but then in mid-April he was going over the 1st quarter 2011 results and realized he made a slight profit on ice cream itself if you ignored the start up costs, and his accountant explained that he had to, since those were written off in 4th quarter 2010. So he called the White House to make good on the deal, got the runaround since the person who answered the phone thought it was a prank call when he asked for President Bush, but it eventually got ironed out and he spoke to President Obama on April 23 and gave him Bin Laden's address. The hit squad sprang into action.

    That's believable, but is it true? Maybe, maybe not. If it is, then MonsterTrimble's claim that trillions of dollars were spent to kill Bin Laden will be validated and everyone can say I'm a damn fool for arguing with him. But I submit to you that we don't really have any evidence that Saddam Hussein hated ice cream. So how do you explain that?!

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