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Gitbrew Releases OtherOS++ PS3 Linux Dual Boot

Posted by Soulskill on from the kicking-sony-while-they're-down dept.

An anonymous reader writes "Gitbrew has proudly released otherOS++ Linux Dual Boot v1.0b1, enabling PS3 users to install an alternative OS to their console with full access to all system hardware, including all 8 CELL cores (making the PS3 the world's most affordable supercomputer). For more information check out the installation instructions and source code."

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  1. Benchmarks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The PS3 suddenly became an interesting product again :-) Now lets give us some benchmarks of some scientific number crunching apps!

    1. Re:Benchmarks! by mcgrew · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The PS3 suddenly became an interesting product again :-) Now lets give us some benchmarks of some scientific number crunching apps!

      Not to me. Sony is at war with its customers; that's been evident since XCP. Hell, I felt dirty buying a broken Sony stereo for ten bucks, even though Sony didn't profit from my purchase.

      How do you know the PS3s don't have hardware rootkits? I know of no other company that's deliberately installed malware on its products. I avoid Sony like the plague and can't understand why anyone would buy anything from them, or how it's has stayed in business, let alone how it can actually have fanbois.

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    2. Re:Benchmarks! by houstonbofh · · Score: 5, Informative

      Sounds right. Until you think again. There was a second rootkit with the microvault thumb drive and they were another division as well. (Why do people keep forgetting this one?) Then the subpoenas of people who visited a web site, or watched a video, which was still yet another division. Sony sees the customer as the enemy. I do not want to do business with my enemy.

    3. Re:Benchmarks! by houstonbofh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      CD root kit. Microvault thumb drive root kit right after. Subpoenas on people who looked at a website or a video. I guess to you that is just courtship...

    4. Re:Benchmarks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      He was demonstrating what an idiot you are, Sony Fanboy.

    5. Re:Benchmarks! by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Lik-Sang

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    6. Re:Benchmarks! by overlordofmu · · Score: 2

      I want to respond to the fanboi comment. I am not a fanboi of Sony's. I am however a huge fan of the PS3.

      I was a PC gamer for years. Never bought an Xbox, PS or PS2. I did buy a Gamecube for my son. The last console I purchased new that I intended to play was the Sega Genesis.

      I was tired of "chasing the dragon", by which I mean the constant upgrading of the PC to play the next generation of games. It was time to buy a console.

      The Wii wasn't an option as it was not intended for gaming on an HDTV. The 360 wasn't an option because the crime cartel that created it will not get my dollar. PS3 had a Cell in it, was an HD next-gen console and had nothing to do with Microsoft.

      So, I can pick from little evil Sony's console, big evil Microsoft's console, stick with PC gaming (again supporting Microsoft) or not game at all.
      I chose the PS3. Blu-ray, Cell processor and, most importantly of all, not Microsoft.

      The rootkit thing is fucked up, I agree. One might consider that the rootkit was only possible because Microsoft's OS was insecure and that they are partly to blame as well. Microsoft shipped a virus on their OS install disk but you give that a pass. They pushed a patch that changed their OS to allow a single, specially crafted image on a website to root your machine to help Federal law enforcement to install spy software on PCs.

      Does you altruism keep you from running Windows? If not, why? How do you rationalize the double standard? If you don't see it as a double standard, why do you think that it is not one?

      Summary: Sony is less evil than Microsoft and the PS3 is the superior machine, hence my appreciation of that console over its competitors.

      P.S. If you boycott Sony and Microsoft, both, you have the moral high ground and I lose this debate.

    7. Re:Benchmarks! by atomicbutterfly · · Score: 2, Insightful

      can't understand why anyone would buy anything from them, or how it's has stayed in business, let alone how it can actually have fanbois.

      Looking at them solely from the PS3 angle, several reasons:

      (1) People buy the console because it plays the games they are interested in (particularly games exclusive for the console).
      (2) People in general don't care about OtherOS support as most people won't need the functionality, and so doesn't factor into their decision making.
      (3) If you spend a lot of money on ANYTHING (and from memory the PS3 is the most expensive of all current consoles), you're naturally going to want to defend your purchase. Any criticism leveled against it is rejected by the so-called fanbois because they don't want to be proven to have bought a dud, or be on the "wrong side". It hurts to know you've been suckered out of a lot of cash.

    8. Re:Benchmarks! by grub · · Score: 2


      She's a mathematician and I'm a half a moron

      Don't be too hard on yourself, as a couple you're only 1/4 moron.

      :P

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    9. Re:Benchmarks! by udoschuermann · · Score: 2, Interesting

      blow the CD rootkit thing out of proportion in relation to the PS3 considering it was a different branch of Sony

      I'm sorry, but "different branch of Sony" is still Sony, especially if it has "Sony" in the name. Now, if Sony the Parent Company had publicly apologized, and fixed the problem but no, Sony released a supposed fix for the rootkit that made things even worse.

      In fact, Sony has proven again and again that they want people to buy their products, but ${DEITY} help the customers if they truly start getting creative with the stuff that they paid money for.

      If Sony do keep shitting all over us, I might actually just decide not to get a PS4 though

      After all the crap that Sony has done, where do you draw the line? Only when your computer is compromised? Only when you lose functionality in a Sony product that you paid for? Only when you get dragged into court? Or will you just stay quiet, suck it up, and hope that if you only purchase enough from Sony, the company will eventually treat you better?

      I don't know about you, but I vote with my money, by never giving another cent to Sony.

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    10. Re:Benchmarks! by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The 360 wasn't an option because the crime cartel that created it will not get my dollar.

      I don't get it. Yes, MS is a dirty company, but Sony makes MS look like Mother Theresa. Almost all of MS's victims were their competetitors, almost all Sony's victims were their customers. I avoid MS products because I simply don't like most of them.

      If I'd done to Sony's computers what they did to mine, I'd be in prison (my then-teenaged daughter worked in a record store and deliberately installed the software, never dreaming that a big, reputable company would ruin her dad's PC).

      One might consider that the rootkit was only possible because Microsoft's OS was insecure

      MS is insecure, true, but if you can convince a user to install your program with root priveleges, you can pwn any OS. Like I said, I had autoplay shut off, but my daughter trusted Sony. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.

      Microsoft shipped a virus on their OS install disk but you give that a pass. They pushed a patch that changed their OS to allow a single, specially crafted image on a website to root your machine to help Federal law enforcement to install spy software on PCs.

      I hadn't heard of that one, would like to read about it and would appreciiate a link. Was the virus deliberate, or a stupid oversight?

      Does you altruism keep you from running Windows?

      It's not altruism, it's mistrust. And no, I have no Microsoft software at home (I'm forced to use their crappy software at work, though). I run kubuntu. When I bought a netbook last year, Windows was only on it long enough for me to figure out how to install Linux without a CD drive.

      The last MS OS I bought was XP (right after Sony rooted me and I couldn't get win 98 drivers for my sound and video cards), and the worst thing it did to me was to replace a perfectly good network driver with one that didn't work at all. But that was incompetence rather than evil.

      I got tired of chasing the dragon about the time the game companies all started treating their customers like crap, and just stopped gaming.

      Someone should submit a /. story "Who's more evil, Sony or Microsoft?" I would posit that MS is incompetent and/or don't care (they don't have to with their virtual monopoly), while Sony deliberately commits evil against its paying customers time and time again.

      I would imagine that Sony's console probably is a better made console than Microsoft's, but I have little experience with either (I think my nephew has both).

      I don't feel I have the moral high ground; I use AT&T for internet access, and that makes me feel dirty, but Comcast is my only other choice and they're as evil and more expensive.

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    11. Re:Benchmarks! by mcgrew · · Score: 2, Informative

      I doubt a fanboy would say "If Sony do keep shitting all over us". A fanboy wouldn't even notice he was knee deep in manure.

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    12. Re:Benchmarks! by overlordofmu · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Sweet goddess!

      We just had a respectful, rational discussion. I read your response and better understand your point of view than I did before. We were both polite and earnest in our communication. I pleasantly feel as if I have stepped through the looking glass.

  2. Defamation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    George Hotz widely distributed information on how to install another operating system onto the PS3 to run illegal versions of PS3 games and software.

    Libel much?

    1. Re:Defamation by David+Gerard · · Score: 4, Funny

      “We discovered a file making a clear reference to ‘Username unknown,’” the company said in a letter to the US Congress on Wednesday, “and a blank user icon which therefore was anonymous. D’you see what that means? It means George Hotz and his hacker friends are loathsome criminal masterminds! So obviously we can’t be held liable for negligence in the face of forces like these. In conclusion, give us money.”

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    2. Re:Defamation by gregthebunny · · Score: 2

      Especially since the two are mutually exclusive. How exactly does one run a pirated PS3 game from within Linux? An emulator? GLWT

  3. Supercomputer? Really? by mikael_j · · Score: 3

    [...]including all 8 CELL cores (making the PS3 the world's most affordable supercomputer).

    I'm not sure I'd call a PS3 a supercomputer. If you clustered a bunch of them it might qualify but even so there are plenty of rendering and computation clusters out there that could easily beat a cluster of several dozen PS3's without their owners thinking of them as "supercomputers".

    Maybe I'm just old-fashioned but to me a supercomputer is something that cost millions of dollars to build and is capable of crunching numbers on a scale that a run-of-the-mill computer is incapable of (and yes, this of course assumes that the run-of-the-mill computer and the supercomputer are of the same era, to compare a Cray from the early '80s with a modern octo-core server with 64+ GiB of RAM wouldn't be fair).

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    1. Re:Supercomputer? Really? by TeknoHog · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Right now, the best bang per buck in parallel computing seems to be found in GPUs. For the price of a PS3 you can buy a few TFLOPS of processing power. For one thing, the PS3 was launched in 2006, so it is hard to compete against modern GPUs. However, the Cell is an interesting piece of hardware in other ways, at least for tinkerers who want something else than a beige x86 box.

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    2. Re:Supercomputer? Really? by hAckz0r · · Score: 2

      I agree with everything you said, but keep in mind that the two processors (Cell,GPU) are architecturally very different. They both lend themselves to very different models of computation, and thus solving different problem sets. Each will excel above the other if pointed at the right problem set for its given design.

  4. If you want a cheap laugh.... by neokushan · · Score: 5, Funny

    Look at the comments on the same piece of news, but from a site that's predominantly made up of PS3 fans...

    http://n4g.com/news/756574/hackers-bring-back-otheros-for-ps3/com

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    1. Re:If you want a cheap laugh.... by achenaar · · Score: 2

      Well hoooooo leeeeee shit that's a large pile of stupid.
      Haven't seen a pile of stupid that big since... well I'm not sure I ever have.
      Crikey.

    2. Re:If you want a cheap laugh.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If Sony respected its consumers, OtherOS would still be there.

      FTFY

    3. Re:If you want a cheap laugh.... by neokushan · · Score: 2

      I'll field this -

      1) It's NOT POSSIBLE (and never has been) to run PS3 games from Linux on the PS3. All the games are encrypted and such so that they can only be run from GameOS. This new Linux method has more access than ever, but I believe it's still impossible to play games outside of OtherOS.

      2) There has been game hacks and cheat devices released, but they're not that prevalent any more. You're correct that everything needs to be signed, but as we have the private keys from frimware OS 3.41 and earlier, this isn't a problem. The problem now is that PSN has been locked out for Custom firmware users. Upgrading is necessary to get on PSN and upgrading disables all homebrew, so it's not really an issue for most. Nobody has released tools or a method to build a custom firmware based on future firmware versions. I'm sure it's possible, but not likely any time soon.

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    4. Re:If you want a cheap laugh.... by somersault · · Score: 2

      Some of what they said what accurate, but only mixed with half truths and closed minded thinking. Not all PS3 hackers want access to the RSX to "pirate games". I'd love to be able to use my PS3 as a PS2 emulator for example, with otherOS++ I suspect this may be possible now. I have PS2 discs that I bought legally. However I can't be assed installing non-authorised ROMs because I actually like having access to PSN (not that I've had any for the last couple of weeks anyway.

      If you think the hack was by Anonymous, you're an idiot. Do you also think that all spam and viruses are created by Anonymous? There are plenty of hackers out there who are just in it for the money, Anonymous are not. For one thing, who would you even know to give the money to if everyone is anonymous?

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    5. Re:If you want a cheap laugh.... by houstonbofh · · Score: 2

      If GeoHot had not of done his shit the OtherOS would still be there.

      Yes. No one else would ever have done it. GeoHot has the magic programming fingers! please...

    6. Re:If you want a cheap laugh.... by Mad+Leper · · Score: 2

      Funny because these are actually customers of Sony, you know, the ones that have been royally screwed by the thieves and hackers?

    7. Re:If you want a cheap laugh.... by sa1lnr · · Score: 2

      Cheap laugh? I found the level of ignorance rather depressing.

    8. Re:If you want a cheap laugh.... by neokushan · · Score: 2

      It certainly makes slashdot look a damn sight more insightful though.

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    9. Re:If you want a cheap laugh.... by MobyDisk · · Score: 2

      Looks like that thread was started by one of the new Sony troll accounts. Take a look at Kayla:

      OtherOS since it gives you full access to the machine, no more being tied down by Sony.
      How the @#$@ are we tied down by Sony?

      The account was registered just when PSN went down and they have posted nothing other than posts defending Sony. No other posts, no PS3 gamer tag. I bet there are others, but this one is the most obvious.

    10. Re:If you want a cheap laugh.... by neokushan · · Score: 4, Informative

      Why don't you check YOUR facts?
      Sony had already released the PS3 Slims WITHOUT OtherOS support when Geohot decided to take a look. Sure, he used OtherOS as the attack vector, but surely that just points out that removing OtherOS wouldn't accomplish anything as the hackers can just not update and continue exploring?

      Furthermore, the actual "hack" was nontrivial - it invovled a bit of soldering and require precise timing. Because of this, it wasn't easy to pull off and worked maybe 1/3 of the time. Not only that, but it wasn't even remotely permanent and it couldn't be used for piracy or anything. In fact, interest in this hack was more or less gone by the time OtherOS was removed, if Sony had just ignored it until there was actually an issue, then it would have just went away. But then again, Maybe Sony realised how weak their security was.

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    11. Re:If you want a cheap laugh.... by Rogerborg · · Score: 3, Informative

      nobody needs OtherOS, it's just a excuse to enabling piracy

      The United States Air Force are "nobody"? ZOMG teh USAF r haxxor u gays uze aimbotz!!!!!!!eleven!!!!

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    12. Re:If you want a cheap laugh.... by Mysteray · · Score: 2

      Probably it's their parents who were screwed with the CC info loss.

  5. What, does it come with a cape & secret identi by VortexCortex · · Score: 3, Funny

    Seriously, "the world's most affordable supercomputer" what drivel is this?

    Last time I checked, having 8 multi-purpose cores did not a super computer make.

    I'll grant that the PS3 is an affordable supercomputer component, but it's no more "super" than my rack of 8 core servers -- In fact, in terms of flops it's no where close to my server rack's combined processing power...

    Considering that the PS3 is only a possible component in a super computer, and the fact that there are many cheaper components with which to build a super (cluster) computer I call bullshit on both "world's most affordable" and " supercomputer" claims -- That is, unless the PS3 now comes with dual identities, one of which is a crime fighting vigilante by night...

  6. Re:It goes to 8...? by ciderbrew · · Score: 3, Funny

    fully operational.

    Cut to Space battle
    Cut to Luke
    Cut to Light sabre on chair
    Cut to Jar Jar Binks
    Cut to wrists.

  7. Oh stop with the supercomputer bullshit by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seriously, calling devices "supercomputers" reeks of either fanboyism or extreme ignorance. If a desktop device can do a given amount of calculations, that amount of calculations don't make something a supercomputer anymore.

    Please remember that the first supercomputer, the Cray-1, did 250 MFLOPS. So if that is what it takes to be a supercomputer then my cellphone qualifies. Of course it doesn't anymore, these days you need to talk multiple TFLOPS (or more).

    A PS3 is not a supercomputer. In fact these days, it isn't all that impressive. The best they claim is 25.6 GFLOPS per cell in theoretical performance, so 205 GFLOPS is the best you theoretically get, if there are no bandwidth constraints (which there are on a PS3) for single precision math. Ok well testing my actual Radeon 5870, I get 800 GFLOPS for single precision, 227 for double precision. That is an actual benchmark of the card running on my desktop. It also can handle a much larger problem set, having much more RAM (1GB on the card).

    Heck even my i7 benches at 80 GFLOPS on a real test, without using AVX, and of course is far more flexible than the SPUs since all cores are full featured.

    Not saying there is anything wrong with the Cell and indeed there may be some cases where it is the best choice. It is something of a hybrid between a pure stream processor like a GPU and a very general CPU like an i7. However trying to claim it makes the PS3 a "supercomputer" is stupid. Even if it were the most powerful chip out there, the PS3 still would be a supercomputer by virtue of the fact that if one made a large computer with a lot of Cells, it would be much faster (this has been done).

    However that aside, it really isn't all that fast. Modern GPUs out do it at stream processing many times over. My 5870, which is not the latest tech and just a consumer card, was about 4 times as fast in reality as a Cell is in theory, and that is running on a desktop system doing other things (I didn't boot to a special graphics benchmark or anything).

    1. Re:Oh stop with the supercomputer bullshit by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 2

      Seriously, calling devices "supercomputers" reeks of either fanboyism or extreme ignorance.

      I'm reminded of when Apple called Altivec capable CPUs "supercomputers." My brain wants to eat itself so it can forget such silliness.

      (if Apple does this again I'm still going to be an apple fanboi, but i will face palm on the way into the Apple store.)

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    2. Re:Oh stop with the supercomputer bullshit by Crookdotter · · Score: 2

      When the PS3 was announced, wasn't it said that if it had been made 5 years earlier, it would have gone into the top 100 supercomputer list? I think that's what the summary is talking about - more a nickname from the past than an actual assessment of the performance now against todays supercomputers.

    3. Re:Oh stop with the supercomputer bullshit by dvdkhlng · · Score: 5, Informative

      The best they claim is 25.6 GFLOPS per cell in theoretical performance, so 205 GFLOPS is the best you theoretically get, if there are no bandwidth constraints (which there are on a PS3) for single precision math. Ok well testing my actual Radeon 5870, I get 800 GFLOPS for single precision, 227 for double precision. That is an actual benchmark of the card running on my desktop.

      As somebody who programmed Cell CPUs for signal processing (including to, but not limited to PS3s), let me tell you that the PS3's memory bandwidth is so close to unlimited, that you usually don't have to think about it. At least as long as you move data only on the Element Interconnect Bus, between the 256KB local SRAMs of each CELL core, which is sufficient for most of what I did. It moves up to 200 giga bytes per second, maximum 16 bytes per 2 cycles in and out per core. The DMA engines that do those transfer have their own 1024bit (!) read/write port into the SRAM, so they burst 128 bytes per cycle into the SRAM, and don't have to steel many RAM cycles. The wikidedia article has more details.

      In my experience, you can usually come pretty close to the 200 GFLOP/s of the Cell-CPU. When relying on C-Compiler with SIMD intrinsics, you usually manage 100 GPFOP/s for algorithms that have as many read/write opcodes as arithmetic opcodes. Smaller problems can mostly be handled on registers only (per CPU we have 128 16-byte registers!) and will run even faster.

      Also note that many algorithms nowadays are not bandwidth but memory latency limited. Having the Cell's per-core DMA engines do background transfers to large local S-RAMs, mostly eliminates these latency problems and is much cleaner than relying on CPU caches guessing what parts of RAM to prefetch next. BTW these are user-space DMA engines that undergo page translation and are fully compatible to unix vm concepts. Still programming directly accesses DMA registers and doesn't need any kernel calls.

      Try to do that with your GPU!

  8. Re:What, does it come with a cape & secret ide by VortexCortex · · Score: 3, Funny

    Last time I checked, having 8 multi-purpose cores did not a super computer make.

    Last time I checked, structuring your sentence in an old-timey way does not a better point make.

    Damn, nice burn man, my point is totally irrelevant now thanks to your pointing out of the sentence structure which could be improved. I suppose using not one but two ellipses completely obliterated any worth my statements might have held...

  9. Something to do... by fostware · · Score: 5, Funny

    Look at it this way... at least you can use your PS3 while waiting for your PSN account to be reactivated ^_^

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  10. Re:world's most affordable supercomputer by SuperDre · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Well compared to the original OtherOS where you 'only' had 6 SPU's at your disposal, you can use the remaining 2 now for extra power.. a desktop proc is a generic processor which is good enough at a lot of stuff, but isn't great at specific calculations (like scientific calculations).. You have to factor in the current age of the CELL and price, you cannot get a current PC for ultrafast calculations for the same price as you can get a PS3.. If you purely want to run linux as an 'office' OS then you should stick with a regular PC, but if you want to use it as a 'supercomputer' for scientific stuff you should use the PS3..

  11. Summary missed the most important part of story by moniker · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Apparently, Geoff Levand was one of the people behind this release [1]. Geoff Levand is the programmer who worked for Sony supporting OtherOS and made the ill-fated and oft-quoted promise that Sony would never ever remove OtherOS from fat PS3s. [2] Looks like Geoff just kicked his former employer in the nuts. Go Geoff!

    [1] http://psgroove.com/content.php?1029-PS3-Dual-Boot-GameOS-Linux-CFW-Released
    [2] http://lists.ozlabs.org/pipermail/cbe-oss-dev/2010-February/007202.html

    1. Re:Summary missed the most important part of story by moniker · · Score: 2

      Or quite likely... this is someone screwing with Sony and using the handle Geoff Levand.

  12. Lets not get hung up on one word. by mallyone · · Score: 2

    If the word "supercomputer" wasn't there, the article wouldn't be modded up. The point of the post is otherOS++. It's great to get the capability to run linux again AND be able to go online, frag some friends and get all your personal information stolen. Supercomputer, probably not, super cool hack, for sure!