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Do Gadgets Degrade Our Common Sense?

ShelleyPortet writes "In a world where gadgets are growing more sophisticated, human behavior is changing — and not in a good way. That is what Robert Vamosi, author of When Gadgets Betray Us argues in his book, which examines the dangers of our growing dependence on technology. As gadgets develop the ability to multitask seemingly endless functions, Vamosi argues that people are increasingly unable to think for themselves. 'Instead of lifting our heads, looking around and thinking for ourselves,' Vamosi writes, some of us no longer see the world as human beings have for thousands of years and simply accept whatever our gadgets show us."

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  1. People have never thought on their own by x*yy*x · · Score: 5, Interesting

    some of us no longer see the world as human beings have for thousands of years and simply accept whatever our gadgets show us

    And how did the human beings see the world before? Yes, only the area they lived on. The culture, and the religion. They heard and saw what dictators, politicians and religious persons told them. It was a very far off from the reality and it still shows today with religion. I rather hear things from everyday people. Theres a lot of information and knowledge that would never come out of "official" channels. Or with todays technology I can travel the world myself and see those things. Yes, some people will never use that opportunity. But at least now it's possible for everyone and everyone can make their own decisions instead of some religion telling you what to do.

    Yes, I've traveled to Asia and even had sex with shemales there. I'm thinking of marrying an asian woman, which seems to be a problem for the religious types in my family tree but not for anyone else. And that would had been completely out of possibility in communitys where religion tells you it's "immoral" to have sex before marriage, or hell, make all of their women wear clothes that can't even show their faces. Gadgets, internet and the technology in general has allowed me too see different parts of the world myself, and hear things from a lot of different kinds of people. It has also opened my mind and made me question the stupidity that religion is and like this article tries to imply, controlling information so that only a few persons can express their opinion.

    The point is, most people didn't think on their before either. They followed what someone else in power told them - be that their parents, religion or their country. Now there's at least the possibility to choose.

    1. Re:People have never thought on their own by MaltoMario · · Score: 5, Funny

      you lost me at "shemales"

    2. Re:People have never thought on their own by Rhinobird · · Score: 2

      I'd like to combine your post with an interesting quote from the parent, thusly:

      Yes, I've traveled to Asia and even had sex with shemales there..

      The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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    3. Re:People have never thought on their own by g0bshiTe · · Score: 2

      As the cliche goes knowledge is power. By the same token he who has the knowledge has the power. Like your post states with the spread of gadgets and the ability to chat with someone of another culture real time on the other side of the globe as a race it brings us closer together, it breaks down the societal borders that have been in place those thousands of years. It allows an outsider to see from the inside and no longer be rejected for being an outsider, because where you are visiting or those you are talking too, know as much about your culture as well.

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    4. Re:People have never thought on their own by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      C'mon this is slashdot... you should have said he lost you at "had sex".

    5. Re:People have never thought on their own by geekoid · · Score: 2

      You make some rpetty giant leaps there.

      First:

      " who have no culture or religion"
      You seem to imply the you must have religion in order to have culture; which is false.

      If that was not your intent, then I'm not sure why you think he has no culture?

      " only way you can express how liberated you are is by saying you had sex with a Shemale."
      Doubtful that's the only way he expresses himself.

      "in that you don't care about anyone else but you"
      How do you get to that conclusion?

      "You've expressed that you're no more evolved than two dogs humping in the backyard"
      that sentence is nonsense for many reason. I think it's your lack of understanding* of evolution.

      FYI:
      sophisticate (s-fst-kt)
      v. sophisticated, sophisticating, sophisticates
      v.tr.
      1. To cause to become less natural, especially to make less naive and more worldly.
      2. To make impure; adulterate.
      3. To make more complex or inclusive; refine.

      The key difference is that he doesn't want to force his version on you; where as you apply your view on him. The very fact that he does something do don't like** has caused you to infer all kinds of nonsense.

      *I am not saying whether or not you 'believe' it, just that you don't seem to understand it.

      ** or do you? nudge, nudge, wink, wink.

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    6. Re:People have never thought on their own by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Culture doesn't require religion, and I didn't imply it did. I was parroting his terminology and interestingly enough, you didn't offer the same criticism for his/her/its use of the same terms in a context that clearly was implying religion was wrong.

      His whole post is about bucking "cultural norms", and using "shock" value as a measure of sophistication. Go back, read it closely. He/she/it knows exactly what they were saying and clearly implying.

      And I find the bucking of cultural norms to be one of those interesting topics of what culture is. With very little variance, the result is how sexually permissive, active and experimental one is is a sign of "sophistication" in this sub culture. Which is exactly why I put it quotes as I understand the definition and why I made reference to two dogs humping in the backyard. Dogs make no distinction on their partners, and that is clearly the sign that they are not sophisticated (bucking the natural).

      If you want, let us look at what it means to be sophisticated in context of the definition you gave? Less natural, ignoring base instincts, resisting the natural in favor of reasoned responses. Now compare with the GP post's "shemale" sex with a stranger not based on anything other than selfish pleasure. Hedonism is the opposite of sophistication (your definition).

      As for forcing his view on me, yes, he does want to force his version on me. He just did. I don't want to know the sexual perversions of other people. I don't care about it, as it is base and uncouth. I'm not describing my sexual prowess (or lack there of), my conquests (or lack) or whatever, because ... quite frankly, they aren't anyone's business, in exactly the same way as I don't care to know about the intimate details of peoples bowel movements.

      Oh, I get it. I just have a much different way of looking at the world than either of you do. And my "wink wink nudge nudge" is not any of your business, "know what I mean" ??

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    7. Re:People have never thought on their own by SomeKDEUser · · Score: 2

      shorter: "I have just been exposed to information that made me feel uncomfortable."

      He is saying "look, I can do anything, ain't that cool?", and you responded by "I don't want to know". Now, one can debate forever on the merits of this or that behaviour (and this includes bragging about whatever), but realise this:wanting to restrict the flow of information coming your way is
      a) a losing proposition
      b) using the internet is the wrong way to go about it.

      So civilisation/culture goes in the direction of more information, thus more behaviours becoming common (provided they do no material harm), and thus of more acceptance of said behaviours. He (or she -- who knows?), affirming he enjoys sex with shemales, which is (AFAIK) uncommon, as well as (AFAIK) harmless to anyone marks him as further in culture than you. This is not in any sense a jugement of value: I don't believe in the value of culture as such -- only in the benefits of certain cultural practices.

      On the other hand, he probably was just trolling.

    8. Re:People have never thought on their own by Hatta · · Score: 2

      As for forcing his view on me, yes, he does want to force his version on me. He just did. I don't want to know the sexual perversions of other people. I don't care about it, as it is base and uncouth.

      Please don't force your views on me. I don't want to know about the bigotry of other people, as it is base and uncouth.

      OP's sex life is off topic, sure. But so is your hatred.

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    9. Re:People have never thought on their own by Thing+1 · · Score: 2

      9. Did you install a rootkit?

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  2. Death by GPS by dtmos · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Death by GPS was the first example that came to mind.

    1. Re:Death by GPS by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's what I was thinking too, that a lot of people don't know how to use maps anymore because they have GPS giving them turn-by-turn instructions. And yet, really, I think even before GPS, most people weren't really good at using maps. So maybe not much has changed; except now people who were chronically lost have a chance of finding their way.

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    2. Re:Death by GPS by crashumbc · · Score: 3, Informative

      Stupid people do stupid things. How many people do you think died back when they crossed those areas in a wagon? or in cars back in the 40-50's? People are no more stupid today then they were "back then" because of gadgets. It just makes "good" (i.e. sells papers) to print sensationalistic crap like that.

      How many people died when the US was being settled? If you read books and accounts from that era, it was common for more knowledgeable people in the trading outposts and such to make fun of people heading up into the wilderness unprepared. This isn't "new" and is isn't because of "gadgets" stupid people get themselves killed all the time.

    3. Re:Death by GPS by stonewallred · · Score: 2, Funny
      Maps are good.

      You can look at a map of any city in the USA and know to avoid the area that has MLK drive, Blvd, Road, Loop, Street, or Avenue.

      GPS will send you right the middle of the hood if that is the "shortest" route.

    4. Re:Death by GPS by roadsider · · Score: 2

      GPS takes you out of the context. I'm very good at reading maps and have a very good sense of direction, and it's only lately that I've begun to use GPS. When I use it in unfamiliar territory, I find that I don't get -- for lack of a better term -- a good sense of where I am in relation to everything else. I'm not absorbing the landmarks and reading the development patterns as I would otherwise, and GPS hinders my own intuition when looking for my destination. In other words, some of the challenge and fun is taken out of the travel, especially when I'm doing it more or less for leisure. Bottom line, I'm learning less about my surroundings.

      That said, I can relate once instance where I didn't believe the GPS and got horribly thrown off course. I got a good sense of what happens to pilots when they lose the horizon and stop believing their instruments.

      For me, GPS is most valuable as a tool to detect traffic problems up ahead. When accurate, they're a real time saver, but as one who truly enjoys just driving around and looking at stuff, GPS is a real mixed bag.

    5. Re:Death by GPS by timeOday · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Maps are technology too. They aren't produced by nature and you aren't born knowing how to read them. Isn't it awfully risky to go out when you don't really know where you're going and need a piece of paper to tell you? What if it blows away or gets stolen? And think of the mental decay from not having to memorize where things are any more.

      The fact is, technology and specialization have placed us far beyond self-sufficiency at this point. You don't really know how your food is grown, how your home is constructed, how your car works, or what happens when you flip a light switch. You think you do, but you couldn't reconstruct all that from scratch if you found yourself alone on an island, not in a 1000 lifetimes. So I don't see why we would suddenly draw an arbitrary line to exclude GPS or other "gadgets."

    6. Re:Death by GPS by malignant_minded · · Score: 2

      In one thousand feet turn left on Martin Lughther King drive

      recalculating... recalculating...

    7. Re:Death by GPS by Mia'cova · · Score: 2

      My phone syncs contacts to multiple cloud services. As well, I believe the numbers are on the SIM card. A sync error which deletes ('syncs') the data in all locations is probably the worst for me. I can recover from a broken phone, eg pull out my laptop/ipad in starbucks to call via skype/UC/google voice. It's more the cases I don't think about. For example, if a friend removes their phone number from facebook, I believe that will update the contact in my phone and remove it from there. That's for contacts I don't have in my personal directories. But overall, I think we're a lot safer now than we used to be. Still, I see enough "I dropped my phone in the toilet, everyone send me your numbers!" posts to know that not everyone has a recovery story.

  3. People have always been stupid by 0racle · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They just broadcast it to the world now and make it very obvious.

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    1. Re:People have always been stupid by hack++slash · · Score: 2

      Q: What's the difference between intelligence and stupidity?

      A: There's a limit to intelligence.

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  4. Maybe ... by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe some people are getting mentally 'lazy'. I guess they could have said the same thing about all of the technology developed during the industrial revolution. I know that I'm certainly less apt to cut my grass "by hand" now that I have a nice power mower ... and that car sure comes in hand when I don't feel like carrying stuff home from the store.

  5. not a bad thing by Laxori666 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    oooor.... we can maintain our intelligence, be educated (as in learn how to think rationally, not be indoctrinated), be reasonable, and use these tools to augment our natural intelligence do things that weren't possible 50 or 100 years ago.

    it's up to each person to do this for themselves. complaining that "people can't think for themselves" doesn't really get you anywhere.

  6. Oh noes! The future is bad! by jfengel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Fundamental laws of physics:

    1. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
    2. Energy and momentum are conserved.
    3. Every new technology must have an article by somebody talking about how it's going to ruin everything.

    Evidence for #3 has been tested as far back as Socrates and Plato. I have no doubt that at least some cave paintings are really an editorial about how fire is going to end the species: with fire to keep us warm, who is ever going to have sex again?

    If the point of the article is to say, "Don't be an idiot"... did you really need to spread that advice over five page views?

  7. I don't have time to read this article by gosand · · Score: 2

    Does anyone have a podcast or ebook version of this article, I'm very interested in this topic.

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  8. Medical technology and future generations by dtmos · · Score: 2

    One thing that I wonder about is how medical technology will affect the human genome. For example, in earlier centuries, women with narrow birth canals, and their babies, frequently died in childbirth. Now, the lives of such women (and their babies) are saved via Cesarian section, and the selection pressure against genetic variations (mutations) that produce narrow birth canals has been reduced. In future generations, how much effect will this have on the anatomy of the average woman? After ten, or fifty, or five hundred generations, might we be in a situation in which childbirth without Cesarian section is no longer possible?

    1. Re:Medical technology and future generations by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Informative

      One thing that I wonder about is how medical technology will affect the human genome. For example, in earlier centuries, women with narrow birth canals, and their babies, frequently died in childbirth. Now, the lives of such women (and their babies) are saved via Cesarian section, and the selection pressure against genetic variations (mutations) that produce narrow birth canals has been reduced. In future generations, how much effect will this have on the anatomy of the average woman? After ten, or fifty, or five hundred generations, might we be in a situation in which childbirth without Cesarian section is no longer possible?

      No, that will be decided by the lawyers.....

      Back on topic - you making a few assumptions that don't necessarily hold. Narrow birth canal outlets can happen, but aren't especially common and more importantly are not the major reason for C-sections. Maternal deaths were typically due to 1) hemorrhage and 2) infection - neither one due much to genetics.

      The broader question of what modern medicine is doing to change human genetics is harder to answer. Yes, we are keeping people alive that would not have reached sexual maturity in the 'olden days', but we're also preventing many deaths of otherwise healthy individuals that do become sexually (and in the case of humans, perhaps more importantly), socially active. Finally one has to be very careful ascribing evolutionary fitness to any given trait. It's common in the lay literature to suggest that some random trait (brain size, penis size, nostril size) improves evolutionary fitness and therefore was selected. Humans are fairly slow growing and haven't been around for all that long (in the geological time frame sense) - a lot of traits are carried along and not necessarily 'selected'. Anyway.

      It's complicated.

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  9. It happened with literacy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Learning to read and write completely destroyed our ability to remember things. I'd still call the invention of literacy a net positive.

  10. you can't assume something is lost by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Informative

    that never existed in the first place

    "some of us no longer see the world as human beings have for thousands of years and simply accept whatever our gadgets show us"

    LOL

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_blind_leading_the_blind

    certain people have always blindly accepted what was in front of them, and certain other people looked around and challenged their own assumptions. the proportion between these classes of people is innate, a random spread, a constant of the human condition. so it always was, so it is, so it always will be

    technology is not changing essential human nature

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  11. These Gadgettess do Perverte the Republice by coldsalmon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is with great pleasure that I read the learned words of this amiable scholar, Mr. Vamosi. It is thus prooved that the Gadgette may be more of a threate to the mind of our Republice than the gallopping steamship or railroad loco-motive. Tell me, in what respect may the Gadgette hope to improve upon the brain given us by our creator? Did He make our human brains to be cleverer than himself, and master over Him? If ye say "No," then how can ye say that we are then so wise and skillful as to make a Gadgette to be clever than ourselves and master over us? This is as ridiculous as the old familiar question: "Can our Lord and Creator microwave a Burrito so scaldingly hot that even He Himself cannot taste of it?" Nay, presume not that the creator (whether our Heavenly master or our own intellect) can ever be led by his creation into any realm except that of the Doomed Abyss. Thus, Gentlemen of the Republice, cast ye Gadgettes into the sea -- lest they hang about they neck as a great millstone -- and drag ye down to the depths!!

    1. Re:These Gadgettess do Perverte the Republice by sco08y · · Score: 2

      Esteemed Colleague,

      I find your Writings to be of an Astonishing Clarity, and would lyke to subscribe to your Weekly Pamflet.

      Your Humble Servant.

  12. Not sure I completely agree by Abstrackt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't think it's gadgets degrading common sense, it's our physiology working against us; the human body really doesn't do more than it has to. If you don't use muscle it goes away, if you drink too much coffee you're basically dysfunctional before your first cup of the day, I don't remember half as many phone numbers as I used to since I stated carrying an address book, etc. Those gadgets just provide a gateway for our minds and bodies to seek the path of least resistance.

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  13. Stupid people used to die young. by the_raptor · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Stupid people used to die young before they had raised off-spring. Break a leg due to stupidity before germ theory and penicillin and that could be it for you. This meant that not only did nature "select" for "common sense", it gave incentives to those with poor common sense to learn those important life lessons. These days you can be an absolute moron with no ability to understand personal responsibility and have access to amazing health care for free and get government handouts to house and feed you (at least in most of the West apart from America).

    It isn't that humans have evolved significantly in the last century or two it is that those who would have been dead are now sticking around to lower the average. They are also generally failing to give their children values that allow them to do anything but barely survive inside societies safety nets (hence generational unemployment, and voters that vote for bread and circuses).

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    1. Re:Stupid people used to die young. by raddan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't buy it. First of all, "common sense" is this mythical entity. Science has repeatedly shown that folkloric rules-of-thumb are wrong, especially when it comes to medicine. So what's so "sensical" about it, when it's often wrong? Because if your idea is right, i.e., supported by the evidence, you're talking about scientific fact. Anyone who argues from the evidence is, by definition, smart, or at least, smart enough not to be called "stupid". Now, science is sometimes "wrong", but science has a built-in mechanism to correct that; thus scientific fact is under constant revision.

      Everyone "used to die young". Look, humans reach reproductive capability in their teens. There's plenty of time to be stupid before you die if you can reproduce after only 13 or 14 years of existence, and in pre-industrial revolution human history, people often did. Your complaints about "lowering the average" and "failing to give their children values" are old claims-- probably as old as the ideas of "average" and "values".

      Education is strongly correlated with a better quality of life (and if you don't strongly suspect that there is some causal relationship there-- well, you're being obtuse). Everybody born in the United States is now entitled to (and, in fact, required to have) that education, by law. Almost everyone in this country can read and do basic arithmetic. Life is way better now than quite frankly any time in human history. I fail to see how humans are now more stupid or in any way worse off.

      Now, if you argue that our best aren't as good as they used to be-- you may have a point. But I'd still take many smart people over a few geniuses any day.

  14. Ramblers relying on iPhones increase call-outs 50% by CaptainOfSpray · · Score: 2

    Story in The Telegraph, "Ramblers who use their iPhones to navigate and have no idea how to read a map are causing the number of emergency call-outs to increase by 50 per cent, mountain rescuers have complained. " http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8435019/Ramblers-who-rely-on-iPhones-to-navigate-increase-rescue-call-outs-by-50-per-cent.html

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  15. A big misnomer by macdaddy357 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Common sense" is a big misnomer. Sense has never been common. Most people have none, and did even before gadgets.

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  16. History is full of this. by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Technological advances of this nature leverage human abilities allowing human productivity to increase.

    It is in large measure how civilization advances. When the moldboard plow was invented humans were able to plant more land. This made more food available and hunger decreased. Yeah people probably became weaker as a result of having to do less grunt labor. But was the overall effect bad?

            "Civilization advances by extending the number of important operations we can perform without thinking."

            --Alfred North Whitehead

  17. Amiga 500 by retech · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My first computer was an Amiga 500. And, honestly, I was awestruck for the first week of ownership. I felt like I was living the sci-fi fantasy I'd had just 10 yrs prior. An affordable tech that was simply amazing to me at that point.

    I remember drawing on it and thinking: "The generation that comes after me will be like gods of technology. They'll have been born with this in their hands and it will bring them to new levels of intelligence, tech and opportunity."

    This is just not the case now 25+yrs later. I work a great deal with teens teaching them tech from an art and theater end. What I find is that they know how to use the front end with incredible alacrity and skill. However once that tech has a glitch or fails them they're dumb founded. Yes, I am generalizing, but I've found an overwhelming majority lack even the basic sense to trouble shoot. At best they just let it sit until someone fixes it. At worst I've seen them toss cell phones and laptops in the dumpster because it was broke. (And I was able to retrieve it and fix it later.) It's that lack of trouble shooting ability that is the key to me. They've never been taught to do that. It's not just the tech that is different for them vs. me it's the societal thinking. You do not fix stuff now and keep using it. You toss it out and buy new. And that has deprived them of the desire, curiosity and ability to think creatively and trouble shoot.

    While the complexity of the tech has grown since my first introduction, with an almost perfect inverse the ignorance of that same tech's fundamental workings has grown. Your results may vary, but this seems to be the same experience with a broad scope of my friends and colleagues as well. I personally do not see it getting any better. It's created wonderful consumers and that's just what the market wants.

    1. Re:Amiga 500 by HeckRuler · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Naw, it's not that bad. You're comparing the top 10 percentile of yesteryear with the median of today.
      How old were you when you got you Amiga?
      How nerdy were you? Good grades, honor program, pocket protector and horn-rims?
      How many other people got an Amiga?
      Now consider how smart, geeky, nerdy, inquisitive your fellow peers were at that time. I'm not talking about your friends, I'm talking about the typical joe blow.

      You are dealing with the median. Everyone handles technology now-a-days. If you interacted with the nerds at computer camp, you'd have a different view. The top 10% remains just as rare today as it was then.

      So the generation that came after you is god-like in their tech and opportunity, but the intelligence remains as a bell-curve.

  18. uhm, no by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2

    some of us no longer see the world as human beings have for thousands of years

    Make that about a quarter of a million years (as modern humans), and many millions of years before that (as our pre-human ancestors).

    When you're driving down the street and you see a pedestrian, you usually snap to it immediately because our ancestors have needed to detect the human gait for millions of years. But when someone is on a skateboard or scooter you don't snap so fast, because it doesn't make the right neurons fire.

    Similarly, GR and QM seem bizarre to us because they operate on scales of time, space, energy, and gravity that our ancestors never had to deal with, but on scales that they did, we do OK - we can catch that baseball[*] even though it hasn't been around for a couple of hundred years, because it's still within the scope of what we've evolved to deal with.

    If gagetry is a problem for any reason other than mere distraction, it needs to be viewed in terms of our evolved cognitive abilities, not on "thousands of years" of habit or tradition.

    [*] Well, *I* can't, but presumably some of you can.

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  19. Car Keys by Tomahawk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A friend of mine once couldn't lock his car - the button on the key wouldn't lock the car. He tried various things like waiting for 30 minutes to see if the car would lock itself, etc.

    Eventually he was talking to a friend on the phone telling her about his situation ('cos he couldn't leave the car unlocked), and she asked him if he tried turning the key in lock...!

    So yes, gadgets do affect our common sense. We get used to using a gadget to do something that we forget how to do that action without the gadget. Are we fast becoming a race of needing a specific tool to do a specific job...?

    1. Re:Car Keys by xelan · · Score: 2

      You think that's bad? I know an older teacher who covers a study hall in a High School near him quite often. He said that the students often ask him what the time is despite there being a perfectly legible analog clock just a bit behind him and up simply because the students can only read digital clocks.

  20. Re:Ya, right by lymond01 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'd say the issue is the thinking that if it's written down, I don't need to learn it. I can always refer to it later. Even more so with Smartphones and the Internet.

    Knowing things helps you solve problems, create new things, etc. If people say, "If I need to know it, I'll just look it up" it may not be too far away that we don't know what to look up because we can't even make the basic connections between subjects.

  21. We are evolving.. by SuperCharlie · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This may become long and drawn out..but I am speaking from a different perspective than most I would think.

    I have been a PC tech/web developer for around 15 years. I kept up with the latest gizmos and gadgets, technology and toys for a long, long time. My last stint was support at a University. My wife and I got the "get back to basics" fever, quit our jobs, bought some raw land and are homesteading 4 acres on the outskirts of nowhere.

    In that change also came a paradigm shift about technology. While we have to use our laptops for our web business, more and more we are wandering away from the screens and towards the dirt. What I find is that the less time you spend with "a screen" the more you come to understand and envelope yourself with the real world..the world of dirt, the world of nature, the real world you cant touch on flickr and cant smell on facebook.

    We as a society are evolving into a clinically sterile, see here is nature on the screen, whats a shovel people.

    I am not arguing that technology is bad, merely making the observation that reality is changing for most people. That we as a group are living our lives more and more through screens and by dilution less and less in the sun. While the irony of me posting this here does not elude me, I will be shoveling up some garden and doing some garden work shortly. I hope you would have some real world to balance off "the screens" as well because to me, the human condition is not a clinically sterile parade of screens and gizmos.. it is about the sights, smells, grit, efforts and rewards you can only get once you run out of batteries.

    1. Re:We are evolving.. by HeckRuler · · Score: 5, Insightful

      the more you come to understand and envelope yourself with the real world..the world of dirt,

      I'm sorry, is the digital not "real" to you? Am I not real to you? Are the thoughts and ideas from someone in India less real because it comes over a wire?
      How exactly is dirt any more real then a hard-drive platter?
      You went out and became farmers. That's great for you. Whatever floats your boat. But people have been removed from that environment a hell of a lot longer then you think. City-slickers have had to have the concept of a shovel explained to them since there were cities. When was the last time you got some culture? Saw a play? Went to a concert? Saw through an ad as false promises? Chatted with the immigrant cook in a dive bar? Spotted a con man in the streets? Rural hicks just don't get that "real-world" experience that you get in a city. Your argument works both ways. So don't go confusing a different environment as the one true "real" one.

      Now don't get me wrong, it's good to get away from the screen now and then. The same way that it's good to get out of, or into, the city now and then. Diversity, I guess, is the message I'm going for here. I imagine that for most of your "neighbors" (if you had any), browsing wikipedia for a little while or chatting with someone from Iraq would do them a world of good. The sort of real-world eye opening experience you can only get with the batteries full and the screen on.

    2. Re:We are evolving.. by HeckRuler · · Score: 2

      Wikipedia constitutes "real-world" experience?

      When you're out in an area where they listen to both types of music: Country and Western, and atheism is another word for satanism, Yeah. Yeah, it is.

  22. Force Multiplier by Charliemopps · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Technology is a Force Multiplier.
    If you're a brilliant scientist, you can use it to do even greater, more important work.
    If your a tyrannical dictator, you can use to to further oppress and control your citizens.
    If you're a blithering idiot you can stare at it as you plow your car into a group of children waiting for a buss.

  23. Star Trek by slapout · · Score: 2

    Wasn't this covered by a couple of episodes of "Star Trek"? They would find some civilization where the people had become dumb and relied on machines that had been invented years before?

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  24. Oh noes! Wonder twin powers activate! by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 2

    This sounds like a serious problem! Quick, someone (yawn) go and (eyes droop) and do (yaaaaawn) some sort of thing or somethinzzzzzzzzzzzz (snore)

  25. This again? by Angst+Badger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Another disillusioned techie writes another anti-tech book about the way technology has made the general public dumber than it already is. Film at eleven.

    People were, by and large, already dumber than rocks. This is, after all, the same species that wandered around in its current form for about 200,000 years before anyone noticed that seeds make plants, and only figured out in the last century or so that disease is caused by microorganisms and not evil spirits -- and still, a lot of people aren't convinced. The only thing that has changed is that people who previously did or said stupid things in private can now share them with the world on Facebook and YouTube.

    That said, it's nice to see that the author is is a technology professional. Most of these books are written by liberal arts majors who are embittered by the presence of iPhones at their poetry slams.

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  26. Stupid - at the speed of light by wcrowe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I disagree with the premise. I think people have always had this problem. The thing about these "gadgets", as he calls them, is that they spread information faster and farther than was ever possible before. I just encountered this today with a forwarded email I received, from a very conservative friend, which stated that Sears is now selling X-rated DVDs. Without even looking into the situation, he just forwarded it on to all his friends adding the note, "Kinda sad because they sell great tools." It only took a few minutes for me to go to the Sears site and see that the email is a fabrication. It took only a few minutes more to discover that this is from an American Family Association (who?) alert sent out last year about "pornographic" art being sold at Sears -- which turned out to actually be pretty tasteful wall decor featuring nude bodies (not exactly my cup of tea, but to each his own). Even though it only took a few minutes to discover the hoax, it was easier for my friend to simply accept the news as the truth, and then angrily forward the information along to everyone he knows. However, if this were 1911 instead of 2011 and my friend had heard this rumor via word-of-mouth, he would have done the same thing -- that is, pass the rumor along without checking facts. People have always been stupid. Now they are stupid at the speed of light.

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  27. Re:Oh noes! The future is bad! by locallyunscene · · Score: 2

    Absolutely. TFA is just a thinly veiled platform for older generations to complain about younger generations. I don't have the "common sense" of 150 years ago in order to buy a proper ox and wagon, find food and water for myself and the animals, or hunt and dress game. Similarly a person from 150 years ago wouldn't have the "common sense" to google for the answers to their questions about Abraham Lincoln.

    "Common sense" varies from time and society, and both can change rather quickly.

  28. Re:I blame literacy! been a problem for millenia! by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2

    Wasn't it Aristotle or one of the other great Greek thinkers who complained that writing things down was eroding society and people's capacity to be fully fledged thinking beings?

    Umm... I dont' remember.

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  29. Re:Ya, right by Homburg · · Score: 2

    I don't know if the ancient Egyptians said this, but Plato definitely did.

  30. Re:Saved by GPS by smooth+wombat · · Score: 2

    Have you been in a major city?

    I go to NYC twice a year, drive to D.C. about as much, have driven in San Francisco and when I graduated from high school (long before the net was even close to what it is now) I took two weeks off to travel down Skyline through Virginia, crossed over in the Smokey Mountains, back up through Tennessee, Kentucky and West Virginia and back home again. All by map. Yeah, I think I've been to major cities.

    Every try to look at a map while in traffic?

    Yes, but only if I absolutely have to. Since I plan out my trip in advance I am familiar with the roads and my internal GPS (not electronic unless you count the brain's electrical activity) keeps me pointed in the correct direction even if I have to take side roads.

    So please, Navigation is a great tool, and people who deride the skills of people who use them are jackholes.

    I never said they weren't a good tool. My parents use theirs from time to time even though they know where they're going except for those oddball locations that don't show on a map because of their location. In those particular cases it is very helpful, but for every day use, they are merely a crutch for people who can't plan ahead and have no concept of where they're going because they think the electronic device is the cat's meow.

    The author is correct, gadgets do degrade our common sense.

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  31. you are making pure speculation by slew · · Score: 2

    Obviously there are many reasons for having a Cesarian section, and sure, having a genetically narrow birth canal is pretty far down the list. The point was not to ascribe evolutionary fitness to a wide birth canal, necessarily. The point was rather the reverse -- that the common use of Cesarian sections changes the evolutionary pressure on the female anatomy, in a very explicit and direct way: Before C-sections became common, it was (quite literally) physically impossible for a woman with a genetically narrow birth canal to pass that trait onto her daughters. Now, she can.

    Okay, I'll bite... A few of the top reasons for having a Cesarian are OBGYN's avoiding malpractice suits, reduction in pain tolerance, and epidurals that prevent women from bearing down with their contractions causing fetal distress. If so does the change the evolutionary pressure on the women that want epidurals and are pain adverse or compliant with doctors suggestions for a C-section? That's seems just as likely as the narrow birth canal argument.

    Also more likely (and probably true), is that the evolutionary pressure has already happened to adapt humans to the "chronic" condition of an average narrow birth canal to head size. The result is likely selective pressure for early birth before our heads become too big as described here http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/04/evolution-may-explain-why-baby-comes-early/

    At least this guys ramblings cites studies and comes with graphs, what's your story?