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DHS Wants Mozilla To Disable Mafiaafire Plugin, Mozilla Resists

Davis Freeberg writes "The Department of Homeland Security is hard at work again, protecting the industry from websites that the big studios don't want you to see. This time they're targeting the Mafiaafire plugin by asking Mozilla to disable the addon at the root level. Instead of blindly complying with the government's request, Mozilla has decided to ask some tough questions instead. Unsurprisingly, when faced with legitimate concerns about the legality of their domain seizure program, the DHS has decided to clam up."

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  1. A reasonable stance by The+Dawn+Of+Time · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's good to see that Mozilla is holding strong to their core values. DHS needs more people willing to question what they do. Blind compliance to government demands is anti-American and it saddens me to see so many people simply fall in line.

    1. Re:A reasonable stance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I still don't understand why the Department of Homeland Security has to be involved with websites. Shouldn't that be reserved for the cyberpolice? That's where I report all the people who'd done goof'd.

    2. Re:A reasonable stance by MoonBuggy · · Score: 5, Informative

      Absolutely. I was particularly glad to see, in the full list of questions asked, that they question the seizure program itself, not just the dubious claims about the plug-in. The list is as follows (the source linked above is apparently a copy of the official email):

      April 19, 2011 email from Mozilla to US Department of Homeland Security Special Agent
      To help us evaluate the Department of Homeland Security's request to take-down/remove the MAFIAAfire.com add-on from Mozilla's websites, can you please provide the following additional information:
      1. Have any courts determined that MAFIAAfire.com is unlawful or illegal in any way? If so, on what basis? (Please provide any relevant rulings)
      2. Have any courts determined that the seized domains related to MAFIAAfire.com are unlawful, illegal or liable for infringement in any way? (please provide relevant rulings)
      3. Is Mozilla legally obligated to disable the add-on or is this request based on other reasons? If other reasons, can you please specify.
      4. Has DHS, or any copyright owners involved in this matter, taken any legal action against MAFIAAfire.com or the seized domains, including DMCA requests?
      5. What protections are in place for MAFIAAfire.com or the seized domain owners if eventually a court decides they were not unlawful?
      6. Can you please provide copies of any briefs that accompanied the affidavit considered by the court that issued the relevant seizure orders?
      7. Can you please provide a copy of the relevant seizure order upon which your request to Mozilla to take down MAFIAAfire.com is based?
      8. Please identify exactly what the infringements by the owners of the domains consisted of, with reference to the substantive standards of Section 106 and to any case law establishing that the actions of the seized domain owners consti tuted civil or criminal copyright infringement.
      9. Did any copyright owners furnish affidavits in connection with the domain seizures? Had any copyright owners served DMCA takedown notices on the seized
      domains or MAFIAAfire.com? (if so please provide us with a copy)
      10. Has the Government furnished the domain owners with formal notice of the seizures, triggering the time period for a response by the owners? If so, when, and have there been any responses yet by owners?
      11. Has the Government communicated its concerns directly with MAFIAAfire.com? If so, what response, if any, did MAFIAAfire.com make?

    3. Re:A reasonable stance by X0563511 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yea, I'm not sure on what child pornography or even (the horror!) media/software pirates have to do with National Security either...

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    4. Re:A reasonable stance by cpu6502 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      >>>Blind compliance to government demands is anti-American and it saddens me to see so many people simply fall in line.

      I had a former classmate call me an "idiot" because I refused to let my car be searched by the Homeland SA. He's right that it would be easier to comply, but the law is the law. I obey the law and I expect government employees to obey the law too.

      No search without court-issued warrant,
      and affirmed by oath before the judge.

      Now I'm willing to bend that a little bit, like if a mass murderer just escaped from prison, but not while I'm trying to enjoy a nice summer drive and no emergency exists. They've ALL sworn to obey that law. So let them obey it, instead of ignoring it.

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    5. Re:A reasonable stance by spun · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Many, if not most humans seem to be authoritarians, who are comforted by the idea of some all powerful authority overseeing things, be it God, the Government, Karma, or the Company. When it looks as though they are not actually authoritarians, it is usually just because they don't like that particular authority. Show them one they like and they will fall all over themselves kissing its ass.

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    6. Re:A reasonable stance by davide+marney · · Score: 5, Insightful

      12. Under which section(s) of the law is your request authorized, and what are the names and contact information of the DHS agents who are requesting that this action be taken?

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    7. Re:A reasonable stance by rjh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      First, calling them the "Homeland SA" is kind of like referring to "Bushitler." It's both historically ignorant and profoundly offensive to a lot of people. The Sturmabteilung had a career of evil the likes of which I hope to never again see. If you sincerely believe the DHS merits comparison to the SA, then your only choice is to take up arms against your government.

      Second, unless the DHS agents said "screw you and the Fourth Amendment, we're going to search you anyway!", then it sounds as if they obeyed the law just fine. They're allowed to ask you for permission to search your vehicle, and you have the right to say no. Where's the illegality?

    8. Re:A reasonable stance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Where's the illegality?

      Implied threat of government legal action if they don't comply. Blackmail in other words. Unless they've actually informed the person their will be no direct consequences if they don't comply. 99% of the population would have little to no idea about whether any particular government official can legally do what they do.

    9. Re:A reasonable stance by PitaBred · · Score: 5, Interesting

      National security? It's never been about security. It's always been about money. Those x-rays at airports don't make us any safer, but they sure made a bundle for the companies that make them.

  2. This will drive a record number of people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    This will drive a record number of people to install the plug in...

    Thanks DHS, we appreciate the endorsement and confirmation of its efficacy!!!

    1. Re:This will drive a record number of people by locallyunscene · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'd never heard of it before, but now I'm trying it out.

      Streisand Effect is go.

    2. Re:This will drive a record number of people by Groo+Wanderer · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I don't go to 'seized' sites, and have never been to one. I have no reason to go, but the ICE's illegal actions, not to mention the MAFIAA's, make me fundamentally distrust my own government.

      Like many others, I just installed the plugin. And will promote it. Yay to teh intertubes.

                  -Charlie

    3. Re:This will drive a record number of people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I have no reason to go [to seized sites]

      This is a strange way to look at it, since it presumes that you know something about what sites whose names may be seized. I can understand that, since the seizures are currently being characterized as being for anti-piracy purposes, so if you're not into piracy, it makes sense to believe this won't affect you.

      But as usual with runaway government, one of the main reasons people are so pissed about this has more to do with the lack of due process than the stated agenda itself. You don't know that only "bad" sites will be seized, because no one is overseeing the seizures and watching the watchers. You only have their word that they've only been interfering with piracy-related sites, therefore you only have their word that you have no reason to go to the kinds of sites which may be seized. This is purely an article of faith, and really has nothing to do with the kinds of sites that you visi-- oh, wait, I get it. You only go to pro-government-religion sites. Aha. Ok, never mind, I believe you now.

  3. Knock yourselves out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
  4. Never heard of Mafiaafire, but I'll check it out.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Streisand effect. Before today, I never heard of the Mafiaafire plugin... but I'm going to look into it right now.
    probably download it, even if I don't use it whatever it may be.

  5. Well by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm glad to see that DHS has lots of free time on their hands, now that OBL is dead.

    But if they aren't going to spend time on homeland security, we should disband the monster.

    Probably should anyway...

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  6. Re:DHS chose the wrong people by assemblerex · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because DHS exists in a fantasy land where everything in the world serves the interests of the United States and her wealthy ruling class. Disagree and we'll send a few hookers to blow you, then claim rape and extradite you to Guantanamo.

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  8. Re:Never heard of Mafiaafire, but I'll check it ou by norriefc · · Score: 5, Funny

    Thanks for the Streisand effect DHS

  9. Where's your warrant? by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Good call. Whatever you want to call the system of government, one thing it *isn't* supposed to be is an autocracy. Remember, they're working for you, on your dime.

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  10. Re:Crazy glue by Twigmon · · Score: 5, Informative
  11. Re:DHS chose the wrong people by joe_frisch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hey - I'm, a member of the US "wealthy ruling class" and DHS doesn't serve my interests! I think Mozilla acted completely appropriately.

    I think our freedom from unlawful seizure, and our freedom of speech is more important than tracking down people swapping stolen entertainment content,or distributing child porn. (assuming that DHS's actions even helped with either of those - something I'm not sure I believe).

  12. Copyright enfringement a national security issue? by godless+dave · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why is the Department of Homeland Security involved in copyright enforcement at all? It's not a national security issue. I can see parts of the Justice Department being involved, and certainly the FCC and the department of commerce. But Homeland Security? Aren't they supposed to defend the country from physical attacks by enemies? Forgive me if this has been asked and answered.

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  13. Re:DHS chose the wrong people by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yea, because people with different morals than the population at large are such a risk to National Security that the Department of Homeland Security should be involved. ...

    'Department of Homeland Security' was much easier to ram rod through Congress than "Department of Pretty Much Everything and the Kitchen Sink that isn't Covered by the Other Big Departments'. It has nothing to do with security (that should be obvious). Gotta have a catchy title these days or it just doesn't fly.

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  14. Re:I hate Government by slimjim8094 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The government was created to do a number of things that aren't really relevant nowadays. By the same token, there's a number of things we require of our governments that simply did not exist when they were created. Any thinking person agrees that the FCC, in some form, is a requirement to avoid absolute radio chaos. Similarly, anti-trust laws are pretty hard to argue against - particularly when you look at historical abuses that did, in fact, happen, and how regulation made a big difference.

    So I don't understand this anti-government mentality. I believe that a properly-run government can do things for its people in aggregate that are inefficient in smaller numbers - like health care. Again, it needs to be done properly - but Social Security was done properly, so projects of that scope are clearly possible.

    I don't trust incompetent governments. But why is that a given? It's *our* government, we can make it competent if we really want to.

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  15. Re:DHS chose the wrong people by wierd_w · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I personally consider the rather deep and blatant connection between big media and "National Security" to be a direct [defacto] admission that the US government feels it is in danger of severe insolvency if the intellectual property cartels are broken, and/or, leave the US.

    It is one of the forms of handwriting on the wall that I mention when I say that the US is mortally ill, and in serious danger of economic implosion.

    Heavy handed DHS actions like this on behalf of this industry without proper due process would seem to be an indication of just how serious the insolvency problem actually is. That is why it is a "national security" issue.

    I do not know whether to take comfort in this insight, or to cower in fear at the notion that the economic fortunes of millions of americans might well hinge on the success or failure of a fundementally defective business model, due to the cumulative impact of many short-sighted politicians and corporate empires and their policies.

    Frighteningly enough, it would clearly explain the recent behavior my nation has had on the world stage concerning the adoption and enforcement of draconian worldwide DMCA-Like laws, and heavy handed activities using ICANN.

    That said, as terrible as the consequences would be, I actually DO hope that the DHS is UNSUCCESSFUL, and that the cartels are broken through public dissent, as per tools like the subject of this article, and outspoken civil defiance as seen in the population of Canada. (God I love the citizens of Canada. They are doing the world an unbeleivable favor by being so resolute.)

    The kind of future that would come out of a strongly enforced worldwide DMCA is not the kind of future I want to live in. I would rather see my nation fall, and have the damage contained, than see the very fundemental attribute that makes humans special (Creative intellect, and the freedom to create and share ideas) regulated for monetary purposes of a tiny few, at the expense of the whole world's freedom for EVERYONE else.

    Well done Mozilla! Ask those hard questions! Put feet to fire! I applaud your efforts!

  16. Project has forked by AnotherScratchMonkey · · Score: 5, Informative

    There's now a fork called FireICE so DHS now has an additional extension to suppress.

  17. Security concerns by jimmyswimmy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One of the commenters on the FF extension suggested that the extension introduces a serious vulnerability into your browser - by downloading the XML file containing the list of sites to be redirected, you are basically offering that website the ability to redirect "youtube.com" to "nastysexxxxxychix.com" or whatever. Certainly this would be unpleasant on a work computer, but it could also be used to send you to a malicious site. He also pointed out that every 15 times the extension is actually called you are sent to a "Help Us" page where they probably ask for donations.

    The same commenter forked the extension to another called FireIce which has a hardcoded list of sites. I think the ideal way would be with a user-configurable list which the user can easily update from a website as desired, rather than automatically downloading an XML file without user input.

    This other extension - which I haven't tried and cannot endorse - is at https://addons.mozilla.org/da/firefox/addon/fireice/

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