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High-Tech Gas Drilling Is Fouling Drinking Water

sciencehabit writes "Drilling for natural gas locked deep in a shale formation — a process known as fracking — has seriously contaminated shallow groundwater supplies beneath far northeastern Pennsylvania with flammable methane. That's the conclusion of a new study, published yesterday in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. The analysis gives few clues, however, to how pervasive such contamination might be across the wide areas of the Northeast United States, Texas, and other states where drilling for shale gas has taken off in recent years."

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  1. but but by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 2, Informative

    but but Regulation is bad... m'kay?

    1. Re:but but by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Funny

      The terms "water pollution" and "risk to human health" are so very anti-business and job-killing. We prefer to say that the invisible hand is incentivizing the purchase of bottled water at the present time...

    2. Re:but but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's easy enough to blame fracturing, but the process of fracturing itself is occurring deep within some producing formation. The Marcellus shale in Pennsylvania is a mile underneath the surface. If there's natural gas in the water table then it's the improper disposal of recovered fluids that is causing it, not the fracturing process. This water is supposed to be pumped back into some deep reservoir or trucked off to evaporation ponds.

    3. Re:but but by countertrolling · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Bottled in Scranton, Pennsylvania"

      Look at the bright side, maybe you can really run your car on 'water' now

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    4. Re:but but by darjen · · Score: 2

      Typical, pinning the blame on anti-regulation. When various governments are actually what is protecting these gas companies from lawsuit damages.

    5. Re:but but by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Thankfully, you can save money on maintenance and improve evaporation pond efficiency if you don't bother to actually make sure that the impermeable liner of the pond is impermeable... Win-Win, baby!

    6. Re:but but by maxume · · Score: 3, Informative

      How do you get "nature done it" from "improper disposal"?

      Really quite curious.

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    7. Re:but but by tmosley · · Score: 2

      Yes, regulation is bad. However, the homeowners who were screwed by these guys have every right to sue the living shit out of them, and force them to ship in water for them and their farms, and pay punitive damages.

      When everything is owned by someone with a genuine economic interest, there are no externalities.

    8. Re:but but by bit+trollent · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Almost nobody owns mineral rights beneath their own home. Since your neighbors or the person who owns your neighbors' mineral rights can still pollute your air and water, you can't even stop natural gas fracking from occurring in your neighborhood.

      Natural gas fracking often lowers property values. Since polluted wastelands aren't unappealing to most people you can count on your home losing value when your neighbors consent to fracking.

      Who are you supposed to sue and for what when natural gas drilling ruins your home's value? Has anyone even successful sued over home value loss due to drilling? Your neighbor who consented to it? The corporation who is following every law and regulation?

      We need regulation to protect people from corporations whose only interest is profit. Otherwise people are given bottled water as a legal settlement for the wholesale pollution and destruction of their land and air.

    9. Re:but but by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Let's face it, SOME aspect of the fracturing process, whether it be frac water dumping, well casing failure (gotta get that pressurized water down there somehow), or the (far less likely but not yet confirmed to be impossible) slight possibility those fractures are of much greater extent than expected, is contaminating wells on a widespread basis.

      The gas companies deny it's happening and still say fracking is "safe" - whenever a water well starts producing methane the gas company claims it's naturally occuring biogenic methane. Really, do you expect ANYONE to believe that multiple wells across the country which been producing clean drinking water for decades suddenly got contaminated with methane-producing bacteria within 1-2 years of fracking operations commencing nearby?

      I live on top of the Marcellus, so I've been following the situation pretty closely (and yeah, I've watched GASLAND - scary material and one of the reasons I'm pro-nuclear - that industry has a far better track record in the USA and constantly strives to improve safety. Gas companies say they're safe when they clearly are not, and refuse to make any improvements.)

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    10. Re:but but by rabun_bike · · Score: 3, Informative

      Therein lies many problems. The earth's crust is not one nice consistent pancake. It has many different layers of rock and caverns as well as underwater rivers and lakes. To get to the shale you have to drill through all the other stuff. And you don't even know what you are drilling through in the first place. You just make a guess and then hope your "cement job" keeps the other layers of the earth from interaction with your dill hole. And there isn't just one hole. They drill hundreds of holes. There is no precision to this and methane gas knows no boundaries if it can find a way up the other layers of earth. What everyone is terrified of is a blow out since these drilling fluids are under intense heat and pressure and then a contamination of the aquifer with drilling fluids and potentially gas, brine, drilling fluid and even oil.

    11. Re:but but by Eunuchswear · · Score: 2

      When everything is owned by someone with a genuine economic interest, there are no externalities.

      Who owns the atmosphere?

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    12. Re:but but by hrvatska · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Typical, pinning the blame on anti-regulation. When various governments are actually what is protecting these gas companies from lawsuit damages.

      Just as it's difficult or impossible to attribute individual cases of lung cancer to smoking tobacco products, it's usually difficult to impossible to prove that the contamination of an individual well that provides drinking water came from fracking. When you don't know who caused a well to go bad, who do you sue? The protection that the drilling companies are receiving from government comes in the form of lack of oversight and transparency lobbied for by the drilling companies and land owners who stand to make more money if there is a less oversight and transparency. NY state has delayed issuing drilling permits for fracking pending the release of a study by the EPA. Drilling companies and land owners have been poring money into the state capital in an attempt to persuade government officials to permit drilling to start as soon as possible, regardless of the outcome of the report. Many small towns in NY state that rely on centralized wells for the entire community are surrounded by land owners who want to start drilling as soon as possible. If the community's water well goes bad, who gets sued? Is it possible to determine which land owner or drilling company among many is to blame? Best practices, based on the most up to date research and enforced by good regulation and oversight, will do more to prevent ground water contamination than any number of after the fact lawsuits.

    13. Re:but but by Jessified · · Score: 2

      A part of me feels like this article was submitted primarily as an excuse to use the word 'fracking.'

    14. Re:but but by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Let's face it, SOME aspect of the fracturing process, whether it be frac water dumping, well casing failure (gotta get that pressurized water down there somehow), or the (far less likely but not yet confirmed to be impossible) slight possibility those fractures are of much greater extent than expected, is contaminating wells on a widespread basis.

      Actually, that is not the case. We do not know what the incidence of methane in the water was in those wells before the gas companies started fracking (at least based on both of the articles linked to in the summary). We do not even know what the incience of methane in water wells near other, non-fracking gas wells is. Until we have at least a proxy for an answer to those questions, we will be unable to evaluate the level of risk that fracking brings and if it actually is causing a problem. Additionally, with that information, we will be able to determine how to ameliorate the problem.

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    15. Re:but but by ukemike · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's easy enough to blame fracturing, but the process of fracturing itself is occurring deep within some producing formation.

      It's also easy enough to blame the massive increase of CO2 in our atmosphere on the nearly perfectly correlated massive increase of human industry pumping CO2 into the atmosphere but that would be inconvenient for my energy stock prices so I choose not to believe it.

      Did even you RTFA? (In this case I mean did you read the fracking Abstract of the scientific paper in question? ;-) That's a huge degree of correlation, and the chemistry of the hydrocarbons in the water match the chemistry of the gas in the nearby wells.

      Yeah sure the fracturing does take place much deeper than the water table, they have to pump the fracturing fluids down to the shale which involves pumping them THROUGH the water table. Yes I know that the procedure involves sealing the well hole before pumping the nasty stuff down there, but when they drill hundreds of wells in a region only a few have to leak to ruin the local water table. Of course the oil/gas extraction business has such a great safety record and they have never made a mess of things before, so why should we believe science when we can believe BP? I think you should consider not drinking the water from your local well, obviously the fracking fluids are messing with your thinking process.

      Oh and by the way, those fracturing fluids, as revealed in the very interesting movie Gasland, are comprised of over 500 chemicals including several known human carcinogens and many suspected human carcinogens. So it is not like this is some academic question. Water tables all over the nation are turning foul with this stuff.
      BR Here is another thing to ponder. Until very recently this technique for extracting gas was very rare. Towards the end of the Bush administration, this particular industry was exempted from compliance withe clean water act. Right after that fracking becomes the most important new development in energy extraction. Correlation or causation? It seems pretty clear to me that someone was afraid that they would be unable to comply with clean water regulations so they didn't bother until they made sure that their ass was covered.

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    16. Re:but but by radtea · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Let's face it, SOME aspect of the fracturing process... is contaminating wells on a widespread basis.

      The cited research doesn't actually demonstrate this. It demonstrates that wells near fracking sites have much higher methane levels that wells that are more than 1 km from fracking sites.

      However, there is a reason why fracking sites are where they are: it's where there is the highest concentration of gas in the ground, or where it's easier to extract, or it's where there is some aspect of the surface access situation that makes it easier to drill there, or... So there is the potential for a selection effect to come into play here: it may be that wells drilled in the vicinity of localities that are good candidates for fracking have higher levels of methane than those that do not.

      Fracking is certainly the most plausible causal candidate, but there does need to be follow-up research on these less-plausible, but not insane, alternatives.

      In the meantime, states should require that all wells within 1 km of proposed fracking sites be tested for methane levels on a yearly basis, and corporations engaged in fracking should be on the hook for the costs of these tests as well as supplying the homeowners with water if there is an increase in methane levels due to deep-methane leakage of the kind reported in this paper. Only by capturing the before-and-after picture will the situation become unequivocal.

      Of course, this is the United States, with the most dysfunctional, inefficient and ineffective governments in the developed world (which is why so many Americans think 'government is bad'... because their governments are). So while my proposal would be sensible in any other country, in the US the state governments are almost certainly incompetent to execute such a simple plan. Americans just aren't able to do the things that other people in other countries manage all the time, without any fuss or bother.

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    17. Re:but but by avgjoe62 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Ah, yes, it's not like people have been living in the area and using well water for a couple hundred years. Yet now, they can light their tap water on fire and somehow this study does not count because no one tested the water beforehand.

      Would there have been a reason to test the water BEFORE you could light it on fire? And what might be the cause now, after a hundred years of prior use, that the water is flammable?

      This is not something confined to the PA-NY border; it happens wherever fracking goes on, yet we are supposed to believe that this particular case is confined to one bad operator? The gas industry needs to seriously review the precautions they are supposed to be taking and see if they are truly being responsible corporate citizens.

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    18. Re:but but by Nadaka · · Score: 2

      Ever? When was the last time you bought spoiled meat that had red clothing dye that contains mercury added for color and borax cleaning agent added to remove the smell? That was industry standard operating procedure in the US until food safety regulation. When was the last time you heard about a factory burning down and killing hundreds of employees because the exits were chained to prevent people taking a 15 minute break in their 16 hour shift?

      When was the last time you heard about someone lacing milk with poison for profit? Actually that one was pretty recent from wonderfully unregulated china.

      Unregulated capitalism can only work in societies favor if everyone is completely honest and completely informed. Deregulate and people will be lied to, used, abused, poisoned and killed without consequence or recourse just as they were in centuries past.

    19. Re:but but by david_thornley · · Score: 2
      The problem with regulation by lawsuit is that the legal system is slow and clumsy. Suppose I figured that negligence by the frackers had done $5000 worth of damage to me. I'd have to file suit, and to have a chance I'd have to engage a lawyer, and they aren't cheap. I'd likely be out another $5K before the case got to court. The gas company would have lawyers working for them, and they'd try procedural means to drag out the case. Once it got to trial, it would be my lawyer and me versus a lot of lawyers and expert witnesses, The trial would go as long as the gas company could make it go, and there'd be no guarantee that I'd win, and if I did no guarantee that I'd get my money quickly. For five thousand, it just isn't worth it. I don't know where the "worth it" line is.

      And this is a fairly simple case. Suppose I get cancer, and have a solid, take-it-to-court, confirmation that it's air pollution. Who do I sue? There's all sorts of places that put junk in the air, and all of them have plausible deniability. ("No, it probably wasn't us, and you can't get a preponderance of the evidence against us because it was very likely one of the other forty-nine polluters here" - multiplied b fifty.) So, I get to try to sort that out while going through chemotherapy.

      If using the court system was quick and cheap and usually resulted in a swift and just verdict, it could take over many of the functions of regulation. It isn't, and I don't see how it can be.

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    20. Re:but but by scot4875 · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's the problem with laws and regulations. They provide cover for the corporations doing the damage. Remove the laws and regulations, and allow damages to be settled in court. The settlement will include shipping in water in perpetuity plus monetary damages plus punitive damages. All this lost money will factor into the company's decision on whether or not this is worth it.

      And the amusing thing is that you probably call liberals and progressives idealists whose beliefs would never work out in the real world.

      Your solution is that every homeowner can go up against an energy company in the court of law, and that the courts will always resolve things correctly. That suggestion might be funny if it weren't so fucking stupid.

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    21. Re:but but by jbengt · · Score: 4, Informative

      However, there is a reason why fracking sites are where they are: it's where there is the highest concentration of gas in the ground, . . .

      That's not exactly correct. The "gas" and oil is locked in the shale. In contrast to conventional reservoirs, it is not a gas until the fracturing of the rock and extraction with the magical fluids that Cheney made sure do not need EPA approval. It is entirely possible (though not demonstrated) that the fracking process that releases the gas allows the gas to seep up through the rocks into the groundwater above. (typical gas reservoirs rely on impermeable rock structures above that have trapped the gas. Shales can be underneath porous rock without losing the hydrocarbons they contain.)

      So there is the potential for a selection effect to come into play here: it may be that wells drilled in the vicinity of localities that are good candidates for fracking have higher levels of methane than those that do not

      However, the study did analyze water from sites at various distances from the gas extraction wells and found that the closest ones had more methane and had a composition matching fossil fuel, while those sites farther from the gas production had much less methane and had markers for recent biological origin. The underlying shale formations do not change drastically over the horizontal distances involved in the measurements. So it seems pretty obvious, if not absolutely proven, that the methane in the water comes from the operations of the extraction companies.

    22. Re:but but by geekoid · · Score: 2

      "2) But a scientific study has shown that wells near fracking sites produce fouled water."

      except that's not true.

      So the real game is spot the lie.
      Which is number 2.

      Now, if you think the means number 1 is true, you fail logic.

      From the study:
      "We found no evidence for contamination of drinking-water samples with deep saline brines or fracturing fluids."
      and:
      " we found no evidence for contamination of the shallow wells near active drilling sites from deep brines and/or fracturing fluids"
      and:
      " In sum, the geochemical and isotopic features for water we measured in the shallow wells from both active and nonactive areas are consistent with historical data and inconsistent with contamination from mixing Marcellus Shale
      formation water or saline fracturing fluids (Table 2)"

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    23. Re:but but by Rei · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, if you read the abstract, you'll see that they found no evidence of fraccing brines ending up in the water itself -- only the gas. Curious, eh? This, combined with the incredible depth of the reservoirs being fracced vs. the aquifers and the number of layers of cap rock between the fracced reservoirs and the aquifers leads me to the hypothesis that it's not the fracced reservoir itself that's leaking; it's the recovery wells. This could be some combination of poor cementing, poor steel casing/attachments, better gas permeability in the conditions present than anticipated, gas developing its own channel to the surface just outside the well through the weak points in the strata created by the well, etc. Thoughts?

      This hypothesis could be tested. In some wells you could inject a tracer gas into the reservoir after fraccing but before production begins, while in others you could inject it into the recovery wells just below the point of the aquifer. You could then draw the following conclusions:

      Reservoir: Yes, Well: Yes: Either there are multiple paths for the gas to reach the surface, or more likely, the gas is leaking up through or around the casing of the non-producing well.
      Reservoir: No, Well: Yes: Gas is leaking out from the production well, but no significant amount is able to move up through/around the casing from the reservoir.
      Reservoir: Yes, Well: No: No: Gas is leaking up directly from the fracced reservoir, independent of the well.
      Reservoir: No, Well: No: This would throw this study into doubt.

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    24. Re:but but by tibit · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If there's enough methane in the air to asphyxiate you, it must mean that you're in a facility with Ex-proof equipment and are taking proper precautions. If it's a regular household, it will blow up way before it gets to a concentration where you get any respiratory symptoms. Unless you're Amish and also happen not to have any flames around, and the humidity is like in your subterranean cold room. IOW: get a sense of scale...

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    25. Re:but but by mosb1000 · · Score: 2

      Methane from the mining operations has a different ratio of Carbon 13 to Carbon 12 than methane formed by biological processes from atmospheric CO2. This is what they mean when they refer to isotopic analysis, the the ratios of the various isotopes of carbon.

  2. New? by Syssiphus · · Score: 3, Informative

    New study? Ever seen 'Gasland'?

    1. Re:New? by blueg3 · · Score: 4, Informative

      A documentary is a collection of anecdotes. A study is a presentation of systematically-gathered empirical data.

      Also, a study can be new while not introducing a new idea. In fact, many or most aren't, but are instead done to test a suspicion or hypothesis based on anecdotal evidence.

  3. Documentary About Fracking by crow_t_robot · · Score: 5, Informative

    Gasland:
    http://www.gaslandthemovie.com/

    You know fracking is bad when you can put a lighter up to a running facet in your kitchen and a fireball erupts.

    1. Re:Documentary About Fracking by iaoth · · Score: 4, Funny

      You know fracking is bad when you can put a lighter up to a running facet in your kitchen and a fireball erupts.

      But what about this rebuttal movie clip, "The Truth About Gasland", with folk music and happy children and puppies and sunshine?
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1W8MnveFq8

    2. Re:Documentary About Fracking by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 4, Funny

      The Truth About Gasland

      Now be honest, who would you trust more. Some dirty hippy driving around with a video camera making a film.

      OR

      America's Natural Gas Alliance. That's an American ALLIANCE with AMERICANS. You don't hate America do you?
      Plus, REGULATORS found it wasn't natural gas. If you can't trust American regulators, who can you trust?

    3. Re:Documentary About Fracking by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 2

      Give an example of the towns affected?

      The nearest flammable well I know of is in Dimock, PA, about 45 minutes south of me. That one is clearly due to drilling - those wells ran clean for decades and then went downhill right after drilling commenced.

      There's also the recent major blowout/frac water spill in Bradford County.

      Yeah, the water in the Owego/Binghamton area isn't so hot (high mineral content, rusty), but no one on this side of the border has fizzy flammable water.

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    4. Re:Documentary About Fracking by operagost · · Score: 2

      It didn't happen to those people till the fracking started which leads to the conclusion that it was because of the hydro fracking.

      Yup, that's the conclusion. No further research necessary. On a totally unrelated note, I stepped on a crack and, sure enough, my mother is in traction as we speak.

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  4. How much are they getting paid though? by chemicaldave · · Score: 2

    Yeah, it probably is contaminating the water table, but do you have any idea how much these people get paid by the drillers to operate on their land? It's a lot of money, and in most cases it's enough that these people have their water trucked in and wont have to worry about it. Bad for the environment? Sure, but do you really thing a struggling farmer cares about the environment when his business is failing?

    1. Re:How much are they getting paid though? by Jaysyn · · Score: 2

      Problem is that contaminated water doesn't stay in one place.

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    2. Re:How much are they getting paid though? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Anecdotally, the first person in a given area is paid relatively well. Their neighbors are then politely reminded, off the record, that they can either accept the er, generous, offer being made, or they can end up with poisoned groundwater anyway, and the drillers will just have to wait a bit longer for the gas under their property to diffuse through the porous substrata toward the wells next door...

      If pollutants respected property lines, this would be much less of a problem...

    3. Re:How much are they getting paid though? by Mr.Intel · · Score: 2

      Anecdotally = Pulled it out of your ass.

      Well, he *is* talking about methane...

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    4. Re:How much are they getting paid though? by TheTyrannyOfForcedRe · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Anecdotally = Pulled it out of your ass.

      Well, he *is* talking about methane...

      I live an an area where drillers have recently bought (and continue to buy) drilling leases. The parent is right! That is EXACTLY what happens.

      All of the drilling in my area is of the horizontal variety. The gas company buys a drilling lease on one small plot of land (a couple acres). They drill straight down for a little then they turn their drill so that it runs horizontally. They then drill horizontally for UP TO SIX MILES so it doesn't really matter who leases the land they park their drilling rig on. All it takes is one greedy asshole every few miles and your community is fucked. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizontal_drilling

      The nature of the gas deposits in the Marcellus Shale Formation requires that every well has a massive horizontal component and that is fracked to hell and back. It's completely uneconomical to drill regular vertical unfracked wells in Marcellus shale. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcellus_Formation#Fossil_fuel

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  5. Re:A sign of desperation by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Only for you peasants. Since the drillers are under no clearly enforceable obligation to compensate anybody for their mess(and are, indeed, kindly and specifically exempted from the clean water act...), their costs remain satisfactorily low, and their production abundant.

    Sure, a bunch of powerless people get to drink carcinogens; but that's an externality, and doesn't show up on their balance sheets.

    The real problem here is that a bunch of people have been given alarmingly broad rights to shove costs onto others, without their consent, which has made substantially destructive practices highly cost effective. It is indefensible from basically every position between(and including) libertarian and certified green party; but since "Plutocrat" is the position actually calling the shots, we are unlikely to see much effective opposition.

  6. The kids are not getting anything by Marrow · · Score: 2

    They are equally entitled to clean drinking water. And the people who dont own the property in apartment complexes are not getting anything. And the locally grown produce getting sprayed with this stuff, which is then fed to kids, livestock. They arent getting paid. If they cannot mine this valuable substance without contaminating the water, then they should have to completely replace the water supply with water piped in from a clean location. Every house, every yard, every farm well replaced with free city water. Forever.

  7. And the company response is... by pstorry · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Some of you may have noticed if you've tried to drink during the course of the last few years that your drinking water is now natural gas. That's because we've been doing invisible drilling in your area, which is turning your drinking water into natural gas. Don't worry, that just means it's working."
    - Frack Johnson

  8. Fracking exempted from Clean Water Act by wombatmobile · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As Kevin Grandia wrote last year:

    In 2005, at the urging of Vice President Cheney, fracking fluids were exempted from the Clean Water Act after the companies that own the patents on the process raised concerns about disclosing proprietary formulas - if they had to meet the Act's standards they would have to reveal the chemical composition which competitors could then steal. Fair enough, but this also exempts these companies from having to meet the strict regulations that protect the nation's freshwater supply.

    1. Re:Fracking exempted from Clean Water Act by rabun_bike · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yes. And those formulas contain a special combination of some of nasty chemicals such as benzine, toluene and naphthalene. The chemicals are needed to dissolve the shale rock and release the trapped gas. But even more alarming is the millions of gallons of water (a finite resource) intentionally polluted in the process. This polluted water has to be deposed of and currently some gas companies are injected the polluted water into deep wells in Arkansas. Even Fox News is reporting that the drilling and injecting of this polluted water in Arkansas might be causing thousands of earthquakes. There really is nothing "green" about the whole fracking process except in some ways the actual methane that is extracted when you compare to taking off the tops of the mountain in West Virginia and Kentucky.
      http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/03/01/fracking-earthquakes-arkansas-man-experts-warn/

  9. Laws are good, regulations are bad by mangu · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Imagine if your neighbor's toilet clogged and, instead of calling a plumber, he started taking a dump over the fence on your garden.

    What would you do?

    A) call the police

    or

    B) complain about lack of a regulation on taking a dump over the fence?

    There are already laws in effect stating that no one is allowed to poison their neighbor's water. However, since natural gas extraction *is* regulated, and the regulations do not prohibit fracking, then an exception is created allowing the corporations to poison the water in this manner.

    The problem with regulations is that when you create them, instead of using the existing laws, something that would not normally be permitted could be allowed by the regulations by default.

    1. Re:Laws are good, regulations are bad by bit+trollent · · Score: 5, Informative

      Natural gas fracking is specifically exempted from the clean air act and clean water act.

      We can thank George W Bush and Republican majority for that...

      Please don't forget which political party enacted a law which legalizes the poisoning of neighborhoods and entire regions.

    2. Re:Laws are good, regulations are bad by bit+trollent · · Score: 5, Informative

      The Fracturing Responsibility and Awareness of Chemicals Act (H.R. 2766), (S. 1215) - dubbed the FRAC Act - was introduced to both houses of the 111th United States Congress on June 9, 2009, and aims to repeal the exemption for hydraulic fracturing in the Safe Drinking Water Act. It would require the energy industry to disclose the chemicals it mixes with the water and sand it pumps underground in the hydraulic fracturing process (also known as fracking), information that has largely been protected as trade secrets. Controversy surrounds the practice of hydraulic fracturing as a threat to drinking water supplies.[1] The gas industry opposes the legislation.[2]

      The House bill was introduced by representatives Diana DeGette, D-Colo., Maurice Hinchey D-N.Y., and Jared Polis, D-Colo.

      The Senate version was introduced by senators Bob Casey, D-Pa., and Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y.

      citation provided

      I wonder if the same Republicans that exempted fracking from the clean air and clean water act blocked this bill...

    3. Re:Laws are good, regulations are bad by Jhon · · Score: 2

      The bill passed 74 to 26 in 2005 including our current President (D). There certainly weren't 74 Republicans in the Senate in 05...

      http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00213

      I'm getting flipping sick and tired of blaming EVERYTHING on one side or the other... This isn't a football game.

  10. Re:Basic flaw in the study as reported by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    From the study synopsis:

    "In active gas-extraction areas (one or more gas wells within 1 km), average and maximum methane concentrations in drinking-water wells increased with proximity to the nearest gas well and were 19.2 and 64 mg CH4 L-1 (n = 26), a potential explosion hazard; in contrast, dissolved methane samples in neighboring nonextraction sites (no gas wells within 1 km) within similar geologic formations and hydrogeologic regimes averaged only 1.1 mg L-1 (P 0.05; n = 34)."

  11. Re:Basic flaw in the study as reported by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Dude. It's published in PNAS, one of the top scientific journals (which means the peer review would have been brutal). Read the actual study - even in just the abstract, they answer some of your questions regarding the methodology. In the actual paper, they clearly explain their basic methodology and the principles behind it, as well as their conclusions.

    Your concerns are unwarranted. They test a valid comparison between fracking sites and non-extraction sites. They show quite convincingly data demonstrating the origin of the methane (ie. differentiation between biogenic and thermogenic sources), and they note that many of their non-extraction sites are slated for extraction in the future, which will allow a follow up paper for a longitudinal look at fracking on levels of methane gas in water sources and as surface emissions as modified by local geology.

    I'm a biochemist, not a geologist, but the paper is super easy to read, and only 5 pages to boot. Give it a go.

    And, in future, here's a hint: If you, a complete layperson, can come up with a number of problems to a scientific study in a few minutes, then you can bet that actual experts in the field who have dedicated their entire professional career (usually decades long) to these sorts of questions may just have thought about them too.

  12. Re:People actually drink tap water? by blueg3 · · Score: 2

    Actually, it's thought that methane is safe to drink (plus, it boils out of the water pretty well). The problem is it building up in houses and suffocating people or starting fires. Running your drinking water through a filter won't fix that.

  13. Re:People actually drink tap water? by Hatta · · Score: 2

    If your government cannot deliver clean drinkable water it has utterly failed. Might as well not have one if it's just going to let industry ravage the land and expect you to pay for the consequences.

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  14. Re:So we can dismiss Colorado's DNR as well? by clang_jangle · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yeah all that sounds real nice, except that I grew up in NE PA and in that area it used to be people used the same wells and springs for generations. The well house on my grandparents' property has been continuously functional for longer than the USA has had independence from England. In light of that, what you're saying just doesn't seem applicable, fair, or even sincere, frankly.

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  15. Re:Woot! by Fauxbo · · Score: 2

    I've invented a car that runs on water, but that water needs to come from the taps in PA.

  16. science is nothing compared to the power of belief by decora · · Score: 2

    clearly "Attila Dimedici (1036002) ", has not actually read the article before responding to it.

    but that doesn't matter. they KNOW they are right.

  17. Re:A modest proposal by pjabardo · · Score: 2

    There are several reasons why this idea doesn't work. First the quantities of contaminants needed to ruin the water for consumption are much smaller than the quantitites needed to generate any useful amount of energy. Along with methane there are several other chemicals that contaminate the water and if they are dissolved in the water, it is not always easy to separate them and some of them can be very nasty.

  18. Re:So we can dismiss Colorado's DNR as well? by clang_jangle · · Score: 2

    What is the state of the well on your grandparents property now? Sadly, PPL owns it as of (I think) two years ago. They built a nuclear power plant nearby decades ago and recently decided to build a second. Rather than deal with the potential environmental or safety claims of owners of property nearby they bought everyone out. It was a reasonable amount of money, but backed by the threat of coercion if rebuffed. It sucks, but the way a lot of energy companies behave I guess my family was actually very fortunate.

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  19. Libertarianism is worse for individuals. by imric · · Score: 2

    It requires all goods and services to be luxuries. example: supply and demand goes out the window when life is on the line.

    It requires infinite markets. example: the job market. In order to subscribe to libertarian dogma, you must always be able to 'just go out and get another job'.

    It requires immortality so that the market will have time to adjust/equalize.

    It requires one to ignore that government regulation can be the result of market abuse in even nominally democratic governments like ours.

    It requires one to forget that the closer we've gotten to free markets in history, the worse things have been for the bulk of the people.

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  20. Re:The usual authoritarian suspects by spun · · Score: 2

    No, the cooperative collaborative folks are fighting against the legal structures known as corporations which are nothing more than feudal fiefdoms of the ultra wealthy. I'm not talking mom and pop businesses. I'm not talking about medium sized businesses, either. I'm not talking collectives, credit unions, or cooperatives, the real collaborations of individuals. I'm talking about mega corporations which only care about the interests of the executive officers, the board, and maybe the wealthiest shareholders. These corporations act like sociopathic monsters who do not care who they hurt.

    You don't really need a control group to determine whether or not these wells are contaminated before or after the fracking, they were used for hundreds of years without contamination, and then suddenly, they are contaminated by gasses that have been molecularly analyzed and found the same as what is being pumped out.

    Basically, you can come to the conclusion that these well, dug before the fracking, somehow all chose pre-contaminated sites that, coincidentally, would someday be located within a few miles of fracking operations, OR, you can rightly conclude the operations caused the contamination.

    Please don't pretend you are on the side of the many. You aren't. You are a fascist, corporatist tool who thinks that perhaps if he kisses Master's ass enough, Master will let him play with the nice toys. You are letting yourself get raped and asking yourself, "How can I pay for this delightful service?"

    Corporations, and people like you, are tools of the sociopaths who call themselves individualists, while I and people like me are fighting for the right to real collaboration unmarred by coercion and the threat of force.

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