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'Giant' Neuron Regulates 50,000 Other Neurons

Scottingham sends this quote from PhysOrg: "A single interneuron controls activity adaptively in 50,000 neurons, enabling consistently sparse codes for odors (abstract). The brain is a coding machine: it translates physical inputs from the world into visual, olfactory, auditory, tactile perceptions via the mysterious language of its nerve cells and the networks which they form. Neural codes could in principle take many forms, but in regions forming bottlenecks for information flow (e.g., the optic nerve) or in areas important for memory, sparse codes are highly desirable. ... This single giant interneuron tracks in real time the activity of several tens of thousands of neurons in an olfactory centre and feeds inhibition back onto all of them, so as to maintain their collective output within an appropriately sparse regime. In this way, representation sparseness remains steady as input intensity or complexity varies."

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  1. My dog by inode_buddha · · Score: 2

    ... he might know a thing or two about this...

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    1. Re:My dog by EdIII · · Score: 2

      Funny you mention dogs, when I am pretty damn sure that on some occasions that your dog farted that the "input intensity" was so high that "representation sparseness" is not as steady as one might think.

  2. So.... traffic throttling in my brain? by chemicaldave · · Score: 2
    My ISP already wants to do this.

    This single giant interneuron tracks in real time the activity of several tens of thousands of neurons in an olfactory centre and feeds inhibition back onto all of them, so as to maintain their collective output within an appropriately sparse regime.

    1. Re:So.... traffic throttling in my brain? by steelfood · · Score: 2

      It's QoS. If you were being attacked, you probably wouldn't want to be concerned with what your attacker smelled like.

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  3. in brain of locusts by N1ck0 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Key part of the article that is not in the small summary...

    Scientists at the Max Planck Institute for Brain Research in Frankfurt have now discovered a single neuron in the brain of locusts that enables the adaptive regulation of sparseness in olfactory codes

    1. Re:in brain of locusts by rubycodez · · Score: 2

      oh yeah??? well, I have just three things to say to you, smarty-pants: Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!, Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!, BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!

    2. Re:in brain of locusts by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 2

      Well, yeah, but evolution kinda operates under a object oriented paradigma. Code reusability is the new big thing since a couple of 100s of millions of years... So this is still interesting.

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  4. Nice summary ...not! by spikenerd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Since the summary is somewhat ...lacking, here's my attempt to translate it. (Disclaimer: I am not a neuroscientist, and I really only skimmed it anyway.)

    "We studied the olfactory system of locusts, and found that all of the smell information seems to pass through a single neuron with a lot of incoming connections. This single neuron does not send outgoing signals in spikes as most other neurons do, but instead releases a chemical that suppresses other neurons. It uses this method to sort-of "average" all of the incoming signals together. Also, this system involves a feedback loop. We think that this whole arrangement is set up to generate sparse-codes, which is our favorite way to reduce information down to a small number of dimensional values. We hope that mammals use similar systems, and that this might eventually help lead to an understanding of how brains reduce large amounts of information into small concepts."

  5. Re:So the brain has supernodes? by GuldKalle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One more commonality: The media industry hates when you use it.

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  6. Re:We're gonna be mentats! by fritsd · · Score: 2

    Yes, you seem to be looking at a brave new world ...

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  7. Re:In the fly... by interkin3tic · · Score: 3, Informative

    Wrong. Invertebrate model organisms are how most discoveries about the mammalian brain started off and continue to be how we discover the basics. On the most obvious level, THIS IS A NEURON. Same type of cell your brain is made up of.

    As far as one individual meganeuron in your head, maybe not. I think the histologists of the past would have realized if there were giant neurons similar to this. In the 1800's, they were using advanced staining techniques to show the shape of cells, I think if one neuron were synapsing with that many neurons, it would have shown up with golgi staining back then, or with the brainbow mouse more recently.

    The concept of bottlenecking information when sparsity is necessary: that probably IS a valuable lesson for human brains. It probably isn't a single cell, but the concept is still possible with a smaller number of cells.

    Anyway, as a general rule, it's idiotic to write off any valid scientific findings as "not interesting" just because they don't immediately beat you over the head with the relevance.

  8. Re:Single Point of Failure? by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hm. From what I remember regarding current theory - and that is a decade ago - complexity is not even the question. I wouldn't outright qualify us as overcomplex deadend. You have to envision the whole process as a massively dynamic system. There is no best, there is no dead end - there is only temporary optimization towards local optima in the fitness landscape. At the moment, we seem to pretty much PWN one of those local optima, while at the same time eroding the boundary conditions that makes it optimal...

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  9. Re:Single Point of Failure? by Luckyo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's worth noting that this is still considered largely correct. The most successful life form on the planet is a fly, and most successful mammal is a rat.

    A great example of minimalism working in favor of evolution in humans is our intestinal tract. If you look at most large apes that bear close resemblance to humans, they can eat food that would cause us to get sick and die, in spite of being similar omnivores to us humans. Why? Because at the end of our evolution, we discovered fire. Cooking causes most proteins to break up as well as largely disinfect the food. Adapting to this, the humans who survived the evolutionary selection were the ones who had vastly downsized and simplified intestinal tract, that couldn't consume much of the uncooked food that larger could. This means that where apes and some other prehistoric evolutionary branches of human race ate raw food, and had to use much more energy digesting it, in turn causing it to need more food for same amount of work, humans who survived were far more efficient. This is very noticeable when you look at gorillas for example - they have large pot bellies, mainly because of sheer size of their intestinal tract.

    In this regard, if humans were to lose knowledge of fire, they would likely become extinct, as our ability to eat uncooked food is severely hamstrung by our evolution. But as long as we can cook, we are far more energy efficient then competition. As a result, we can afford a much larger brain, that consumes much more energy. A very common argument in modern evolutionary theory is that discovery of fire, and consequent evolution of our intestinal tract have been a requirement for evolution into modern homo sapiens, as without it, we would be unlikely to be able to successfully support our current brain's energy needs.

    In this regard, the requirement for two eyes is actually not about conservation - it's about need for stereo vision for successful hunting. The proper argument is that we don't have a third eye in case of loss of one eye (and subsequent severe diminishing of ability to hunt) because of minimalism - those who lose an eye will likely die off but majority will be able to die of other reasons.

  10. Re:Single Point of Failure? by lobiusmoop · · Score: 2

    Epilepsy? I believe seizures are essentially the failure of neural suppression and the brain consequently lighting up like a Christmas tree, maybe has something to do with this.

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