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US Congress Tries To Cut Body Scanner Funding

OverTheGeicoE writes "The Electronic Privacy Information Center reports that the US House of Representatives is trying to cut funding for new airport body scanners from next year's budget. This would prevent the TSA from installing 275 new scanners in airports in FY 2012, at a cost of $76 million."

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  1. Excellent by Igorod · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm contacting my representatives offices tonight to ask that they support this. If you can't beat them with logic and reason, beat them with funding.

    1. Re:Excellent by Tasha26 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Was there even an open bid process for body-scanner manufacturers or was it that one for-profit company who shoved the idea down TSA's throat and the govt was forced to go with it? I think the whole story about the current supplier is quite murky.

    2. Re:Excellent by dkleinsc · · Score: 4, Informative

      There was 1 for-profit company, who just so happened to have financial ties to then-DHS Secretary Michael Chertoff, who shoved the idea down the TSA's throat. These guys aren't even trying to hide the corruption anymore.

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    3. Re:Excellent by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 4, Informative

      People voted for her in Alaska because she was the outsider, gave a huge chunk of money to the people of Alaska, raised taxes on oil companies and fought the lobbyists.

      Since she got on the national stage she's way different.

    4. Re:Excellent by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or send it with a crooked employee who doesn't have to go through those scans, or toss it over the fence into the sterile area where it can be picked up by an employee who does have to go through those scans, or pack the fun bits inside the metal tubes of a piece of luggage, inside a bunch of film containers, inside a prosthetic metal leg, inside the metal tube of a cane or a pair of crutches, or in any of the other top 100 places to smuggle explosives onto a plane.

      I mean, I think it's absolutely hilarious that we spent all these billions of dollars on something that only protects one relatively tiny attack surface, does so relatively poorly, invades people's civil liberties in a truly horrific way, and in spite of that, is still provably orders of magnitude less effective than bomb sniffing dogs. If you ever needed proof of why government cannot be trusted to protect its citizens, there you go. Just follow the trail of money from the manufacturers back to the crooked politicians who support this absurdity. It can't be all that hard to prove that bribes were involved. Unless, of course, they're really that dumb, in which case we're in bigger trouble than I thought.

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  2. Prevent the TSA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why don't they do the RIGHT thing and DISMANTLE the god damn TSA?

    1. Re:Prevent the TSA? by mungtor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why don't they do the RIGHT thing and DISMANTLE the god damn TSA?

      I'm not saying that it is, but it could be the beginning. Cutting funding is a way of stopping something when you have to save face for the people who support it. Then you can say "it was a good idea, but too expensive" and they can say "it was a good idea, but they were too cheap" and everybody walks away with their precious egos mostly intact.

    2. Re:Prevent the TSA? by lpp · · Score: 3, Funny

      I hear they need bodies to fight the flooding along the Mississippi. No no... not labor... just the bodies...

    3. Re:Prevent the TSA? by Normal+Dan · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I've aways felt laws, government programs and things of this sort should all have a time limit associated with them. Once they expire, they have to be debated and voted in again as if they never existed in the first place. This will also keep congress from passing too many pointless new laws, as they will be too busy maintaining the old ones.

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    4. Re:Prevent the TSA? by houghi · · Score: 5, Informative

      The beginning? This is not even the end. The moment Bin Laden was killed, it was told that retaliations were to be expected and things will get worse.

      Remember: this is not about fighting some enemy, this is about controlling you. If this "enemy" is gone, another will be invented.

      Once communism was the worst that could happen. The war on that was won and did it bring peace? Not, just the next "enemy".

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  3. I hope this passes by yog · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I hate those machines. I travel a lot, and I'm worried that (1) the radiation levels are higher than the manufacturer claims, and (2) it does nothing to protect us from terrorism.

    Machines can only go so far. You have to have intelligent, well trained and highly motivated people on the scene.

    A friend who was traveling in China recently told me that when he went through airport security there, it felt like he was in a modern, free country. Then when he came back to American airports, it felt like he was in a backward dictatorship.

    The fact that they won't let us bring a 4 oz. or 6oz. yogurt, or a bottle of pure water, or a tube of what is obviously toothpaste, does not make us safer. It inconveniences us. I love yogurt and it's ridiculous that it can't be carried through security. Go ahead, open it, sniff it. It's milk, not nitroglycerine, or a binary explosive. Water is water. Toothpaste is toothpaste.

    I also miss traveling with my little flat Swiss card which contains a one inch knife and a scissors and a tweezers. It was so convenient and I used it all the time. They confiscated the knife twice, because I forgot to remove it from my backpack before traveling. So I just stopped carrying it at all.

    They blanket ban these things because they don't trust their employees to be intelligent enough to recognize the difference between a dangerous weapon and a bottle of shampoo or Coke. We're not safer, we're just angrier and hungrier as a result.

    Ok I'm getting off my soap box now :(

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    1. Re:I hope this passes by swanzilla · · Score: 4, Funny

      The fact that they won't let us bring a 4 oz. or 6oz. yogurt, or a bottle of pure water, or a tube of what is obviously toothpaste, does not make us safer. It inconveniences us. I love yogurt and it's ridiculous that it can't be carried through security. Go ahead, open it, sniff it. It's milk, not nitroglycerine, or a binary explosive.

      I can't help but make a connection between this odd rant and your username.

  4. Re:Hrm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually we can't do behavioral profiling because idiots like you don't understand that it's not the same thing as racial profiling.

    Racial profiling: "That guy is black but he's driving an expensive car. He probably stole the car."

    Behavioral profiling: "That guy is driving conspicuously slow and it's 2:00am on a Saturday night, there's a good chance he's drunk."

  5. Just for show by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A few Congressmen will make get a lot of press for this--defending our rights, standing up against the TSA for the common man, etc. Then at the end of the day, they'll back down and nothing will ever come of it. It's just to get themselves some positive press. They have no intention of really accomplishing anything.

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  6. Re:The Wallet by mini+me · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The market really should decide. Some people want to feel safe, so if people are willing to pay to board a flight that has been screened, then the service should be available. But if people want to board a plane with no screening, that should also be available to them.

  7. Re:The Wallet by robot256 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That is the best idea I've heard in a long time. Plus, you can make the screened flight cost extra! Just how much is "safety" worth to those people?

  8. Re:Hrm... by guspasho · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Behavior profiling is not racial profiling, nor does it even require racial profiling. The simple solution to not getting labeled racist is don't be a fucking racist. Don't racially profile. Starting with race, yeah, that makes you a racist, and it's completely irrelevant to the job.

    People want to blame this whole fiasco on the oppressive, all-powerful, "political correctness" but that's a bullshit strawman. Liberals had now power when the TSA was enacted, it was an entirely Republican invention, created at the height of Bush's popularity, and Democrats cheered it along with nary a complaint. The TSA doesn't want to hire well-trained employees and would rather have McGuards in front of expensive scanners bought through cozy no-bid contracts with companies that are paying off the TSA chiefs.

  9. Re:Doing it for the wrong reasons by Shotgun · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes? Do you have a point that everyone doesn't know already? We also know that the scanners are useless. Being expensive and useless, is it wrong to try to save money?

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  10. Reason - Finally! by Virtucon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's about time that Congress started overseeing this program. After standing in line for 50 minutes today at DFW going through security I can attest
    at what a failure this whole program has been. Huge lines, angry passengers, inappropriate touching and civil rights violations all in the vain attempt to make people feel safe.

    After I finally got past the ID/Boarding Pass Check what did they do? They deferred me through the Metal Detector instead of the Backscatter device. There were already three people in line for the Backscatter screening.

    I'm sorry, this is one program that

    a) It hasn't been proven safe. Scientists have called for an independent study and one hasn't been done. We're taking huge risks with people's health here by not doing the proper checks and analysis.
    b) It hasn't been proven to stop anything. The TSA is always looking for "the last attack." Like taking off your shoes. Humm, after Richard Reid, has anybody tried attacking us with shoes except that incident with George W. Bush in Iraq a few years ago?
    c) It delays people traveling through airports. You may as well stop everybody in line and ask them 20 questions ala the "Bridge Keeper" "What is your name? What is your Quest..."
    d) Give up already, if all you want to do is give me a weekly proctology and rectal exam, fine just make sure you check the oil at the same time and I have these corns on my feet from standing in TSA lines I'd like you to look at as well. Just do the pat downs on everybody. That way everybody gets the sensation of the back of a hand in a rubber glove.
    e) Stop with the gizmo widget fantasies. I'm sorry Secy. Napolitano was out of line for ordering these things to begin with and shame on congress for giving them the money, or were they funded out the the ARRA $787Billion?

    I travel through airports every week and the lamest thing of all? Your Congressmen and Senators don't go through any of that. They have private entrances, they get VIP treatment. They need to go through the same hassles, stand in the same lines and deal with the same rubber gloves all without their special VIP identification. I'm sure if Al Franken or Kay Bailey Hutchinson had to go through this shit there would be some changes!

    I saw people freak out today because they missed their flights, I saw airline counter agents have to work and rebook people and re-route them all in the name of making them safe when they fly. Bullshit! There's probably a higher probability that a Canadian Goose will down my plane than a terrorist.

    Congress needs to step up and do the right thing here and step in where these retards at DHS have clearly overstepped their bounds.

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