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NSA CS Man: My Tracking Algorithm Was 'Twisted' By the Government

decora writes "Crypto-mathematician Bill Binney worked in the Signals Intelligence Automation Research Center at the NSA. There, he worked on NSA's ThinThread program; a way to monitor the flood of internet data from outside the US while protecting the privacy of US citizens. In a new interview with Jane Mayer, he says his program 'got twisted. ... I should apologize to the American people. It's violated everyone's rights. It can be used to eavesdrop on the whole world. ... my people were brought in, and they told me, "Can you believe they're doing this? They're getting billing records on US citizens! They're putting pen registers on everyone in the country!"'"

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  1. Oh? by Troke · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm shocked. The US government would never do something like that ever! A shame this will never reach +5 Sarcastic

    1. Re:Oh? by blair1q · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm shocked that we haven't launched prosecutions of most of the Bush Administration over its mis-handling of everything related to security and the Constitution.

    2. Re:Oh? by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm shocked that we haven't launched prosecutions of most of the Bush Administration...

      So am I, but then we'd have to prosecute most of the Obama administration, which has continued the same policies. And I say that with shame as a lifelong Democrat.

      Barack Obama - best Republican president so far.

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    3. Re:Oh? by nolife · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why shouldn't I work for the N.S.A.? That's a tough one, but I'll take a shot.

      Say I'm working at N.S.A. Somebody puts a code on my desk, something nobody else can break. Maybe I take a shot at it and maybe I break it. And I'm real happy with myself, 'cause I did my job well. But maybe that code was the location of some rebel army in North Africa or the Middle East. Once they have that location, they bomb the village where the rebels were hiding and fifteen hundred people I never met, never had no problem with, get killed. Now the politicians are sayin', "Oh, send in the Marines to secure the area" 'cause they don't give a shit. It won't be their kid over there, gettin' shot. Just like it wasn't them when their number got called, 'cause they were pullin' a tour in the National Guard. It'll be some kid from Southie takin' shrapnel in the ass. And he comes back to find that the plant he used to work at got exported to the country he just got back from. And the guy who put the shrapnel in his ass got his old job, 'cause he'll work for fifteen cents a day and no bathroom breaks. Meanwhile, he realizes the only reason he was over there in the first place was so we could install a government that would sell us oil at a good price. And, of course, the oil companies used the skirmish over there to scare up domestic oil prices. A cute little ancillary benefit for them, but it ain't helping my buddy at two-fifty a gallon. And they're takin' their sweet time bringin' the oil back, of course, and maybe even took the liberty of hiring an alcoholic skipper who likes to drink martinis and fuckin' play slalom with the icebergs, and it ain't too long 'til he hits one, spills the oil and kills all the sea life in the North Atlantic. So now my buddy's out of work and he can't afford to drive, so he's got to walk to the fuckin' job interviews, which sucks 'cause the shrapnel in his ass is givin' him chronic hemorrhoids. And meanwhile he's starvin', 'cause every time he tries to get a bite to eat, the only blue plate special they're servin' is North Atlantic scrod with Quaker State. So what did I think? I'm holdin' out for somethin' better. I figure fuck it, while I'm at it why not just shoot my buddy, take his job, give it to his sworn enemy, hike up gas prices, bomb a village, club a baby seal, hit the hash pipe and join the National Guard? I could be elected president.

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    4. Re:Oh? by dkleinsc · · Score: 4, Informative

      Or, you know, Dick Cheney's commission of what we considered war crimes when the Germans and Japanese did it in the 1940's. It's an open-and-shut case: We have video footage and transcripts of him telling the world all about the crimes he committed on national television.

      Don't forget, though, we need to Look forward, not backward. And they hate us for our freedoms. It has nothing to do with committing crimes with impunity, killing children and civilians, or supporting dictators in their country.

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    5. Re:Oh? by dkleinsc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Barack Obama - best Republican president so far.

      He's nowhere near the best Republican: Abe Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, and Dwight Eisenhower all come out way ahead of him. And all of those guys would be branded as complete and utter loonies in current US politics, especially their views on class, corporations and taxes. Heck, there's a good argument that Ronald Reagan wouldn't be accepted within the current Republican Party, because he allowed for some tax increases in the 1980's.

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    6. Re:Oh? by qubezz · · Score: 3, Informative

      Why shouldn't I work for the N.S.A.?....

      Or say a coded message nobody else can break comes across your desk, you crack it, and discover it details the execution of the largest terrorist attack on US soil to date. You immediately communicate it to your superiors, they send in the G-men who grab the perpetrators red-handed with the dirty bomb that was set to kill tens of thousands. We never hear about it. Thanks NSA. That's what happens on TV every week.

      Or you identify a massive illegal warrantless wiretapping campaign against American citizens, blow the whistle, and face 35 years in prison. That is what happened in referenced article...

    7. Re:Oh? by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Fucking retard moderators can't recognize one of the best movie monologues from the past 20 years? This is from Good Will Hunting and not a Star Wars episode, is that it? For one it is not a troll, it is relevant and a much more eloquent and entertaining opinion stated by others in this thread that state the same damned thing. Did you mark them as trolls too. No most were marked insightful or interesting. So come on, some moderator mark this up. But I think it will take a moderator who isn't suffering cerebral anoxia from having their head so far up their fucking ass. For what it's worth, well done for finding and posting this excellent quote.

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  2. In other news by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... cryptologist Bill Binney was found dead today in his New York apartment the victim of an apparent accident.

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    1. Re:In other news by Tumbleweed · · Score: 5, Funny

      Binney had been acting strangely in recent weeks, according to unnamed sources. Reports of paranoid rants about "government monitoring everyone" were a common theme among associates.

      Binney was found wearing nothing but a bathrobe and a cockring, although investigators found several hundred dollars sewn into his bathrobe, as well as two phone numbers - one for "Belle du Jour Exotic Dance Palace" and the other to "Dave's 24 Hour Falafel Delivery". Investigators also found a "huge" porn stash in his apartment, and several copies of porn star Ron Jeremy's auto-biography, "Ron Jeremy: The Hardest (Working) Man in Showbiz".

      What disturbed investigators most, however, was a hidden cache of 73 cases of Zima. "What could one man possibly need with that much Zima?," said one bewildered and slightly shaken-looking young investigator. Older investigators are wondering about the significance of the number 73.

      Binney was quoted as saying, "I'm not dead yet!" but we were unable to confirm that at press-time.

    2. Re:In other news by Palmsie · · Score: 4, Funny

      In other news, rape charges were brought against Bill Binney today, he has also openly admitted he is a homosexual, a pedophile, and an atheist. His wife has also left him because he has suffered from severe psychological disorders for several decades.

      +5 Propaganda machine.

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    3. Re:In other news by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Would now be a bad time to point out that the second paragraph neatly explains how he's going to die, and that it will be soon? He's probably coming forward because he knows he doesn't have much time left. The agency doesn't have to kill him, nature will do it soon enough and without all the fussing, paperwork, and conspiracy theories.

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    4. Re:In other news by definate · · Score: 3, Informative

      This was a test of inference, to see whether or not you have aspergers.

      You tested positive. I'm so sorry.

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    5. Re:In other news by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nah, they usually go for the old "suicide" route, like that reporter a couple of years back that slit his wrists in the tub. the problem was if anybody would have bothered to find out about the guy first they would have found out he had blood phobia so bad his family said he would pass out if he pricked his finger. Kinda doubt a guy that couldn't stand the sight of blood would go for a slow bleed out.

      As for TFA, is anybody surprised? We have seen the enemy and he is us. Ever since the end of WWI (where before WWII we were like 37th on the list of militarily sizes) the USA has been nothing but a giant power grab, hell look at the FBI with COINTELPRO. With that one they went as far as actually executing a Black Panther for not staying in his place, does it surprise ANYONE that our government is right up there with China when it comes to spying on its own people?

      I'm sure they'll claim its to "catch pedos/terrorists" and get Nancy Grace and all the talking heads to cheer for it if this little setback actually causes any flak, but with the megacorps who are in bed with the government owning the media I doubt this will even make the evening news. That is why voting today is pretty much pointless past the local level, the megacorps will make sure only properly bribed choices are allowed. Anyone you vote for, whether D or R, will continue to give lip service to "freedom" and "privacy" while continuing the status quo. See Obama and warrantless wiretaps for example.

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  3. Pen registers by ciaran_o_riordan · · Score: 5, Informative
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pen_register

    A pen register is an electronic device that records all numbers called from a particular telephone line. The term has come to include any device or program that performs similar functions to an original pen register, including programs monitoring Internet communications.

    The USA statutes governing pen registers are codified under 18 U.S.C., Chapter 206.

  4. Re:Twisted? by blair1q · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hmm.

    I designed a gun.

    No, no, no! You're supposed to point it away from you.

  5. That's GREAT by owlstead · · Score: 3, Informative

    For some reason US citizens always only think of themselves. Personally, I think it is great that they treat themselves as they do other human beings on the planet. It may bring some hard needed reflections on how technology is abused (but I'm not holding my breath).

  6. Last paragraph sums it up nicely. by loshwomp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Bush people have been let off. The telecom companies got immunity. The only people Obama has prosecuted are the whistle-blowers.

  7. Re:Not a surprise to anyone who isn't a gov employ by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The NSA doesn't recruit people by telling them that they will be spying on Americans. I have met an NSA recruiter, and this is the story they tell you: As a cryptologist at the NSA, you will be working on interesting mathematics, mathematics you won't find in academia or in industry, and your work will help protect American lives. So say you are a 28 year old, you just finished a PhD in math or CS; wouldn't such a job be tempting?

    The people who run the show at the NSA are not idiots. They know how to work with geniuses who might have a moral objection to spying on Americans. They know how to convince people that their work will only be used against foreigners, and how to get those people to put as much effort into their work as possible. If I had to venture a guess, I would say that most NSA mathematicians and computer scientists are aware of how their work is actually being used, except in rare cases where it is reported in the mass media (like the wiretapping scandal).

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  8. Room 641A by br00tus · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I don't think people unfamiliar with telecommunications realize how significant the Room 641A revelation was. Before the so-called Patriot Act took effect, the capability to tap all Americans phone calls and Internet traffic did not exist. Now it does - it is sitting in "points of presence" around the country - before a voice call leaves the LATA, a fiber split happens, where half your call goes to the party your calling, the other half heads to the NSA. This did not exist before 2001-2003. As far as Internet traffic, half of your packets going out and coming in go to the carriers peering point like MAE West, half go the NSA. I'm sure even an all data major carrier Internet transmission across the country splits off to one of these pipes before it goes over the high-speed continental pipeline.

    Who knows about how this stuff works besides people like us and telecom people? Even this technician at AT&T didn't know exactly what was going on. Funny enough, the discovery came about because he wanted to make sure the people working in this room were working according to CWA union rules. The unions - the last remnants of ordinary worker's organization and input into a company, which is now almost totally under the control of the top corporate management and ownership, and apparently, the government and its spy agencies.

    As far as people saying this is to keep Americans safe from foreign terrorists - is that why Nixon had his guys break into Democratic headquarters at the Watergate? Is that why Clinton had the FBI send him various political opponents files, or Sandy Berger was sneaking documents out of the National Archives? Or why Martin Luther King had his rooms bugged by the FBI, when what he wanted was to non-violently work for the right to vote - a right blacks theoretically had under the Constitution? In 2006 a movie called "The Lives of Others" came out, condemning the Stasi in communist East Germany for creating a police state. While American critics feel good about themselves condemning the apparatus of a police state from ancient history, one is growing in the phone companies of America. Before 2001-2003, the US did not have an internal Stasi-like phone system - now it does. There's no reason to be hyperbolic about it, it is just that the government and corporate telecommunications monopolies are attempting to remove a right to privacy and freedom we once had.

    1. Re:Room 641A by moonbender · · Score: 3, Informative

      Thanks for that. Watching the PBS Frontline episode on that whole thing now.

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  9. Re:The U.S. government is EXTREMELY corrupt. by causality · · Score: 3, Informative

    he U.S. government is EXTREMELY corrupt. Weapons investors want war all the time. Financial institutions get rich.

    Yes, we were warned about this a very long time ago. The term used was the "military-industrial complex". The fear was that its interests would become better represented by government than any interests of the people. Sometimes all you have to do is read the handwriting on the wall and they will call you "prophet".

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  10. Re:mefi by qubezz · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here's a better link to the article, the whole article on one page instead of entering on page 3 of 10.