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IPv6 Traffic Volumes Are Low, But Nobody Knows How Low

netbuzz writes "As the June 8 World IPv6 Day experiment draws near, there is universal agreement that little IPv6 traffic is traversing the Internet at the moment. The event is designed in part to increase that volume. However, it will be difficult for Internet policymakers, engineers and the user community at large to tell how the upgrade to IPv6 is progressing because no one has accurate or comprehensive statistics about how much Internet traffic is IPv6 versus IPv4." And in case you don't know much about IPv6 and why it matters, dave.io has kindly provided "a primer on the IPv6 transition: why it's cool, how to get started with it and what's changed."

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  1. ISP:s at fault by Z00L00K · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Since the ISP:s don't want to offer IPv6 to their customers the traffic is a lot lower than it could have been.

    Right now it's necessary to do tunneling to an access point for IPv6 and that's not convenient for the majority of the internet users.

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    1. Re:ISP:s at fault by HikingStick · · Score: 5, Funny

      I agree that ISPs are one of the major barricades. Since around the first of the year, I've been pressing our ISP for information on their IPv6 support, so we can get in on testing some things on IPv6 day. No one seems to know anything. I've called sales, I've called support, and I've had my queries escalated to "senior technical staff"--none of them knew of anything about their preparations for IPv6. What was even more scary (though perhaps expected) was that most of them had never heard of IPv6.

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    2. Re:ISP:s at fault by zach_the_lizard · · Score: 3, Informative

      ADSL 2+ can get to 24 Mbps theoretical, IIRC. VDSL can get to 100 Mbps+, but you have to be very close to the ISP. I believe cable can get those speeds over a longer distance.

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    3. Re:ISP:s at fault by elPetak · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm not in the US and I don't consider Cable an ADSL as the same thing.
      Do you even understand how the technology behind each option works?
      Or on a lower level. Do you know the difference between a stardard phone cable and a coaxial cable and how that affects signal quality and available bandwidth?
      Go read some books and come back later.

    4. Re:ISP:s at fault by davester666 · · Score: 2

      And by "very close", he means you live in the same room as the telephone companies switching equipement, and use special solid gold wires to connect the modem directly to the telco's switch.

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    5. Re:ISP:s at fault by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 2

      Well I'd say you really twisted his pair...

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  2. I'm using it by Cimexus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A timely article - I just got full native IPv6 running for my home internet connection last week (dual stack, of course).

    Works well - the DSL modem connects like usual and the ISP assigns you a dynamic IPv6 /64 for the PPP session (ie. the modem's public IPv6 address), a static /60 for your LAN (your router then dishes out IPs within this subnet to the machines on the network via prefix delegation), and of course your good old standard single IPv4 address.

    My Linux, Win 7, Mac OSX machines, iPad and iPhone all had no issue correctly picking up their IPv6 address and using it. The only things on the home network that are still IPv4 only are my old D-link NAS and the Wii. Attempting to access something, IPv6 is tried first, and it that fails it'll fall back to IPv4. Most Google sites are IPv6 enabled it seems, though other than that, the vast majority of stuff I access is still IPv4 only at this stage.

    It really is weird having every machine in the house with a unique, globally addressable IP again after all these years behind a single public address using NAT. No more port forwarding.

    1. Re:I'm using it by Cimexus · · Score: 2

      Well I suppose it depends on how complex your setup is of course. But for me it was as simple as:

      1.ISP announces that they now support native IPv6 for residential DSL customers. If you'd like to use it, and you have a modem/router that supports it, simply change your login name (in your modem/router) from username@ISP.net to username@ipv6.ISP.net

      2. I had a modem/router that did support native IPv6, so I went into the router web interface, clicked the 'enable IPv6' box, changed the PPP username as requested, and let it reconnect.

      3. Profit? Well no ... but that's all that was needed. IPv6 aware machines on the network immediately picked up an IPv6 address via stateless autoconfiguration (I could manually assign IPv6 IPs or use DHCPv6 if I really wanted but frankly the autoconfig works flawlessly).

      My existing NATed IPv4 settings and port forwardings etc remained intact, since it's dual stack. Machines on the LAN just now also have a global IPv6 address as well.

      Really the 'pain' involved is just waiting for your ISP to support it, and potentially upgrading your router to one that is IPv6-aware. But once everything is in place it is just a few clicks. Having said that, if you have a particularly complex setup with heaps of servers and port forwards etc. it might be trickier - but keep in mind that none of that breaks just because you enable IPv6: your existing IPv4 configurations are still there and working just as well as they have always done.

    2. Re:I'm using it by Cimexus · · Score: 2

      Yes this is definitely something to be aware of. However, from what I've seen, consumer routers that support IPv6 natively also have a built in stateful IPv6 firewall - turned on by default with generally sensible settings for a home user. Additionally, behind that you still have Windows firewall/Mac OS firewall etc on the end machine - again this is turned on by default in most OSes (Windows since XP SP2). Non-computer devices OTOH may be a concern (eg. your example of light switches), but again the routers firewall should still help here.

      Not to write off the issue - it is definitely something that needs to be brought to people's attention, and I bet there will be some high profile security failures on earlier versions of IPv6 routers and devices. But it isn't inherently any more dangerous than the earlier days of home Internet when machines connected directly to the net rather than via NAT and can be managed by router manufacturers ensuring they ship good firewalls in their products.

    3. Re:I'm using it by lachlan76 · · Score: 2

      ISPs normally provide a /48 or /60 or such, so you get all of your addresses with it. You can still have a firewall at the network exit; the only difference is that the destination addresses and ports don't get rewritten by NAT, but passed on verbatim.

      Every host having a public address *is* a feature, since it removes the need for port forwarding.

    4. Re:I'm using it by Cimexus · · Score: 2

      Hi,

      I live in Australia. My ISP is Internode.

      The modem/router I use is an FritzBox 7390. It's quite a new model ... however for the previous few years I was using a Billion 7404VNPX which also now supports IPv6 (via a recent firmware update).

      Apologies for my inaccurate terminology re prefix delegation. I'm new to all this and not a particular expert in networking. The fact sheet from my ISP about IPv6 says, verbatim:

      What will [connecting to the IPv6 trial] give me?

              * Your existing IPv4 address (if static) and route(s)
              * A dual-stack IPv4/IPv6 PPP session
              * A dynamic /64 IPv6 prefix for your PPP session
              * A stable /60 IPv6 prefix for your LAN (if you are using a router with Prefix Delegation)

      Your IPv6 Access Device/router should assign /64 subnets to it's interfaces after it obtains a DHCPv6 PD lease. It should then offer the prefix to your hosts via IPv6 Stateless Address Autoconfiguration. In more complicated setups you may choose to use DHCPv6 as well.

      Currently the addresses assigned via Prefix Delegation for your LAN will be stable (not dynamic).

      Hopefully this answers some of your questions. It seems to me that several of the ISPs in Australia are fairly on the ball when it comes to IPv6. Internode is probably most advanced but a few of the others are also getting ready to trial it in the next year I believe. This may or may not have something to do with the fact that Australia is within APNIC's area of responsibility. APNIC is due to run out of IPv4s first among all the RIRs due to the rapid expansion of networked services in Asia.

  3. IPv6 Problems by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2

    Consumer Routers don't oar barely offer IPv6 support. My router supposedly does IPv6, except it doesn't. There are no upgrades to the firmware to support it. Comcast (my ISP) supposedly offers IPv6 support. I suspect the consumer router companies are selling IPv4 routers now when we run out of IPV4 addresses, in hopes of selling the "upgrade" to IPv6 in a year or two, as that can be the only reason why IPv6 support isn't offered.

    Sad

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    1. Re:IPv6 Problems by DigiShaman · · Score: 2

      And they won't because either the equipment is EOLed, or too much CPU or memory overhead to implement.The reason is because were not talking about an incremental firmware update, but an entirely new stack having to be re-written and tested prior to release. This requires man-hours and must be accounted for. Given how cheap this hardware is compared to the cost of paying employees, they certainly won't be eating the cost to provide IP6 upgrades for free.

      So you basically have two options. Throw away the hardware to that bottomless pit we call a landfill, or provide a purchased upgrade path. I remember back in the day that some 33.6k, KFlex and X2 modems had the option for upgrading to the new v.90 standard...for a few if purchase prior to the cut-off date. For the same model purchase after the cut-off date, the upgrade was free.

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  4. The real reason why IPv6 traffic is low by simoncpu+was+here · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There isn't enough porn. What ever happened to the free IPv6 Porn project? :)

    1. Re:The real reason why IPv6 traffic is low by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
  5. Re:I know I am stating the obvious by vlm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Plus, ipv4 is easy to manage; your average network engineer has IPs memorized for when things break, or at least a somewhat logical addressing scheme so it's super-easy to guess the IP of a specific component when DNS breaks or is inaccessible, to be able to log into the device and fix it. the dot-quads make things really easy, four integers with a max of three digits (people memorize numbers and spelling most easily when broken down into chunks of three or less) per integer.

    You can make it as hard as you want to. It does not have to be difficult. I have a substantial network at home and my scheme is:

    "My /48" : "the VLAN" : "host"

    My /48 is pretty easy to remember after I type it in 50 billion times. Its just one number. I have no problem memorizing multiple CCs, SS#, phone #s, so memorizing my /48 prefix isn't very challenging. I will be very pissed when/if I ever get "native" ipv6 and lose my tunnel and my ISP gives me a new /48 via DHCP every week.

    Anyway, the VLAN is encoded very simply, blah:0100:blah is the /64 for vlan 100. I could do something ridiculous and convert 100 decimal into 64 hex and then encode that as blah:0064:blah but that is a complete waste of time and brain cycles.

    The host is also beyond simple. Take a wild guess what my static host address is for a router? How bout blah::1? If, as usual, I have multiple routers in a vlan they number up from ::1. Luckily I have less than 24 routers... can you guess why? My DNS server lives at blah::53 and web server at blah::80. Take a wild guess what address my ntp server lives at?

    I only use static addresses for stuff that matters... pure clients just get whatever radvd gives out, much as I don't care what ipv4 address my dhcp server gives pure client machines.

    Also, frankly, lets be honest here, the days of having to justify buying a dedicated $15000 sparcstation with 4 megs of ram to barely handle running BINDv4 over my thinnet coaxial ethernet are kinda long since over... I have no shortage of secondary/backup DNS servers, and I can't remember the last time I completely lost DNS ...

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  6. IPv6 is still hard to implement for home users by arkhan_jg · · Score: 2

    The problem is that ISPs and router makers have been dragging their feet over IPv6 for years - there was just no ROI in the short term for them. Rolling your own solution is doable, but doing it properly without ISP or router support is still quite tricky.

    Now of course, as IPv4 running out becomes a concrete problem, it's cheaper and simpler to focus on deploying carrier grade NAT - i.e. multiple end-users sharing a single globally routable IPv4 address.

    I do have IPv6 on my home network; I've got a dlink 825 flashed with openWRT as my primary router (linked to cheapie DSL modem with PPPoE) specifically so I could run the AICCU client for sixxs.net for my IPv6 tunnel on it. RADVD handles advertising the tunnel prefix to the home LAN, so all my PCs, VMs, laptops etc have IPv6 addresses using one /64 out of my allocated /48. I had to do it this way as I have a dynamic IPv4 address, and the handful of expensive routers that do support proper 6in4 tunnels generally only work if you have a fixed real IPv4 address.

    I have a similar setup at work, but there it's just a linux box with the main fixed IP router forwarding the 6in4 packets to it.

    The main use for this for me is to be able to connect direct over IPv6 to any of my machines at home (mostly my NAS or VMs), using SSH or RDP etc - I've just put the static IPv6 addresses into my external DNS for my own domain. Very handy if I want to test how one of our hosted services looks from outside the work network, or to queue up a download so it's ready when I get home. I even use it at home to connect to work; since the IPv6 takes a different (shorter) route, it's quite a bit lower latency than connecting to the same machine via IPv4 and VPN (my firewall allows such connections from and to work, but not the general outside world)

    So it has its uses for a techie like me; but for the average home user? It's way way beyond their ability to setup. Even setting up a single machine with a dynamic IPv6 tunnel is too complex, and certainly using 6to4 or toredo or the like relies too much on having a nearby translation gateway, and they're still pretty thin on the ground leading to a pretty rubbish IPv6 connection.

    I honestly think we're going to see a lot more carrier-grade NAT from ISPs - it's already happening for mobile devices - than we see major IPv6 rollouts in the near future. Of course, that will break even more than it already is P2P apps like skype, bittorrent, IM file transfer etc etc, and of course running your own IPv6 tunnel will be that much harder behind a double NAT firewall.

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  7. The embarrassing thing by Alioth · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...The embarrassing thing is that Facebook, a site for doing social things that isn't about tech is available over IPv6, but Slashdot, which is all about tech still is not available over IPv6.

  8. Re:Question About Cable Routers by vlm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How can the average homeowner tell if their cable modem/router is IPv6 capable? Or, is this a non-issue?

    WRT to cablemodems:

    You can only run, eh, "8 megs" or so over a single downstream channel... If your local cableco is selling services running faster than that, they must be doing channel bonding to do it, which requires DOCSIS 3 link layer protocol, and DOCSIS 3 certification / licensing / whatever has mandatory ipv6 support. Also no one in China has manufactured a non DOCSIS 3 hardware compatible cablemodem for I would guess a couple years now. Does not exclude the possibility of your local cableco having a warehouse full of brand new, "old" DOCSIS 2 modems.

    Most people "get the cablemodem for free from their provider". Its possible you live in an area were you own and pay for the modem, much like the DSL guys do. Assuming you purchased it, look for "DOCSIS 3 support" on the shipping box, or just google for your model cablemodem and "docsis3" etc.

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  9. Re:Question About Cable Routers by papasui · · Score: 2

    WTF is this crap? Don't just make something up and post it as a fact. DOCSIS 1 .x - 2 supports up to a 42mbit (minus overhead traffic) downstreams on non Euro-DOCSIS systems. This is because ATSC uses a 6Mhz channel for the downstream. If were talking EuroDOCSIS it's PAL and has 8Mhz channels so you could get up to 55Mbit (minus overhead traffic). Now this is total channel capacity so if you have multiple high usage users you'd need to implemement load-balancing. DOCSIS 3 takes over from any speed above 42Mbit for Docsis and about 55mbit for Euro-DOCSIS. IPv6 is natively supported in D3.

  10. Re:Question About Cable Routers by not-my-real-name · · Score: 2

    How can the average homeowner tell if their cable modem/router is IPv6 capable? Or, is this a non-issue?

    But, if I unplug my modem and take it over to my computer so I can type the model in, google doesn't work.

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  11. Re:Classic chicken-and-egg by tendrousbeastie · · Score: 2

    It doesn't have to be government mandate.

    Seems like a very simple example of something that can be encouraged through the tax system.

    1) Define a company as an ISP using a set of criteria that work for this purpose (something like, supplies network bandwidth and IP address/es to paying customers)

    2) Increase their corporation tax by some amount proportional to the number if IP4 addresses they assign

    3) Decrease their corporation tax by some amount proportional to the number of IP6 addresses they assign

    They'll figure out a way to sell it to the consumer.

    As stated above, we don't have to force them to make every IP a v6. Just to make them assign enough IP6 addresses that the chicken/egg problem is overcome.