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AT&T To Launch LTE Network In 5 Cities This Summer

tekgoblin writes "AT&T is looking to get a piece of the 4G LTE pie that Verizon has a firm grasp on. They have announced today that they are going to roll out 4G in Dallas, Houston, Chicago, Atlanta and San Antonio this summer and another 10 markets yet to be determined later in the year."

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  1. AT&T Has a Bridge to Sell You! by TheWanderingHermit · · Score: 3, Informative

    Do they think people are really that unaware of the problems with their network that they'll believe that AT&T LTE will work any better than AT&T as it is?

    1. Re:AT&T Has a Bridge to Sell You! by ya+really · · Score: 2

      Considering LTE is a direct upgrade for ATT (since it's the next generation of GSM) and verizon uses CDMA, I would say ATT will have far less problems. Verizon basically uses a bridging technology called eHRPD to hand off connections between LTE (GSMv4) and EVDO (CDMA). Their network problems with LTE were from a failure in eHRPD. Since ATT wont need this, they wont have that problem. LTE handoffs are a bit laggy on Verizon as well from my experience with having the HTC Thunderbolt since March. Generally when you switch from a CDMA area to LTE, it takes 10-20 seconds for the handoff to occur.

      From wiki:

      3GPP Long Term Evolution (LTE), is the latest standard in the mobile network technology tree that produced the GSM/EDGE and UMTS/HSPA network technologies.[1][2] It is a project of the 3rd Generation Partnership Project (3GPP), operating under a name trademarked by one of the associations within the partnership, the European Telecommunications Standards Institute.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3GPP_Long_Term_Evolution http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTE_Advanced (what will come after initial LTE we have now and be the true 4g before standards revisions) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3GPP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra_Mobile_Broadband (att's current network) article on what eHRPD is

      Verizon has decided to use eHRPD as their upgrade path to 4G, which allows them to update their existing HRPD packet core using SAE/EPC architecture. The primary benefit that eHRPD offers is the handoff between cellular towers - you maintain the same private IP when you move from location to location. With this new protocol operators will be able to optimize cellular handovers, which should reduce dropped sessions and decrease the handover latency.

    2. Re:AT&T Has a Bridge to Sell You! by SirMasterboy · · Score: 2

      I agree, I think ATT provides great service.

      I've been with them for 4 years now and I only have good things to say about them. Examples?

      1. Their plans are cheap.

      My iPhone 4 runs me $50 a month with unlimited 3G, texting and plenty of minutes with rollover.

      2. Their customer service.

      I upgrade my iPhone after every 12 months and they have always allowed me to do so with the full discount of $199 for the latest model. When I do the upgrade, the system automatically applies a $18 upgrade fee to my bill. I simply call customer service and ask them if it can be waived and they always have without any problem. Also when my father started using my old iPhone 2g which I unlocked for him to use on a non-iPhone SIM card, he was accidentally sipping KBs of data which incurred a charge on my bill. I just called up customer service again and explained that he doesn't use data on that line and they happily removed the data charge from my bill and offered to put in a data block on the line so it wouldn't happen again by accident or anything.

      3. Technology and service quality.

      Well, after using them for 4 years I can count the number of dropped calls with my fingers so not very many. Since about 2 years ago I don't think I've dropped out of 3G service more than a few times. Speed is about 3Mbit down 1Mbit up which is faster than any of my friends using Verizon or sprint around here.

      4. General things

      I get an electronic bill each month and it's never been confusing or had any hidden costs. My bill is exactly the same to the penny each month and I can easily account for each dime in cost.

      Overall, I've been happy with the network performance, and never had a problem customer service couldn't fix and have never felt that I was charged unfairly for anything. So I just don't see how some people can seem to have so many problems with them.

      I wont say that there aren't any network holes in their service (and if you live by one then by all means go with a provider that works better in that area) but I can't imagine Verizon or sprint doesn't have similar holes in some places. the USA is a large landmass to fill with cell towers. I haven't had any extensive service problems when I go on vacation or anything so it doesn't seem to me like a very big problem.

      From my point of view, ATT has the cheapest smartphone plan, no problems with customer service and no problems with network service. So why would I complain about them?

  2. LTE? by MyFirstNameIsPaul · · Score: 2

    I'd be happy with 3G speeds. 1 mbps is all I ask.

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    1. Re:LTE? by dimethylxanthine · · Score: 2

      Who would ever need more than 1mbps, right?

  3. Wow by BoogeyOfTheMan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Five whole cities?

    Seriously though, why didnt they do this when VZW started doing it, instead of spending so much on advertising about how awesome their network was (when it wasnt). If they would have taken the advertising dollars and actually spent it on the network to make it do what they claimed it could, maybe people wouldnt constantly rate them the lowest in customer satisfaction.

    1. Re:Wow by Shag · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Seriously though, why didnt they do this when VZW started doing it, instead of spending so much on advertising about how awesome their network was (when it wasnt).

      Eh, AT&T's LTE roadmap (rollout starts in 2011, but most of it happens in 2012) is super-hyper-extra-old news, it's been set for years. As for why they didn't try to compete more with Verizon... I figure they plan to have an LTE network ready about the same time there's an LTE iPhone to use it. And as someone who grew up with Hell Atlantic, I can attest that there are plenty of people out there whose loathing for AT&T is matched, if not exceeded, by their loathing for Verizon.

      The flip side of the question is why Verizon jumped on LTE so early that there weren't even handsets available. Trying to get away from the dead-end of CDMA? :)

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    2. Re:Wow by Solandri · · Score: 2

      Trying to get away from the dead-end of CDMA?

      Sigh, not this again. CDMA won. The TDMA used by GSM's voice lost. It doesn't scale well with multiple simultaneous users. To put it in computer terms, TDMA is like multitasking by giving each process on your computer an equal slice of CPU time, regardless of how much CPU the process actually needs. CDMA is like multitasking by giving each process only as much CPU time as it needs. The only reason GSM still uses TDMA is to maintain backwards compatibility, and it's limited to voice.

      This is why the CDMA carriers rolled out 3G so much quicker than the GSM carriers. It's also why you can't do simultaneous voice/3G data on CDMA carriers. CDMA scaled so well they could use the same radio for both voice and data. But due to different communications protocols between voice and data, the CDMA radio couldn't do both at once.. On the other hand, GSM carriers had to engineer an entirely new broadcast standard from scratch to achieve 3G data speeds. This necessitated an entirely new radio just for 3G data traffic, but with the fringe benefit of being able to do both voice and data simultaneously - they were on two separate radios. Most of these used a form of wideband CDMA for their data network (UMTS, which eventually became the HSPA family).

      GSM networks would have had little pressure to overhaul their data networks like this if CDMA hadn't spanked it so badly at data, so you can thank CDMA for cellular data speeds being where they are today. CDMA is being superseded by OFDMA in LTE.

  4. Marketing by iinlane · · Score: 2

    4G shoudl get you 1Gbps when stationary and 100Mbps when on the move (in car or bus). Here, in developing Estonia, we get 21Mbps everywhere and in some areas (towns) 42 Mbps from 3.5G networks. It seems unfair, that you pay more to get less.

    1. Re:Marketing by Fallen+Kell · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The problem is that in Estonia, you only need a network that can handle 2 million people (which gives room for 30-35% population increase/tourists over total population in the country). Just covering Chicago alone has more than double the population of your entire country....

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  5. Re:Well.... by cgenman · · Score: 5, Informative

    ITU relented. LTE is now officially 4G, according to them.

    Lame, but what can you do? Their 4G definition would be nice, but it is impractical to have the next network naming standard be for a technology that is years off, and with at least one level of interim network speed technology between them.

  6. Conspicuously bypassing NY by srealm · · Score: 2

    New York City was one of their biggest Achilles heel after they released the iPhone. A city with millions of people and a network nowhere NEAR able to cope with it. Pretty much everyone I know in NY who had an iPhone basically said it was unusable if you were not at a WiFi hot spot.

    It is conspicuous that they have chosen not to roll out to such a large market in the first wave (which Verizon did). I guess they really don't want to get another black eye like they did with the iPhone roll out.

    1. Re:Conspicuously bypassing NY by Hadlock · · Score: 2

      AT&T is Southwestern Bell. Southwestern Bell is headquartered in Dallas. Dallas, San Antonio and Houston are in Texas. NYC is so far away from Dallas it might as well be in another country. Dallas, Houston and Chicago are huge, international cities. Not everything has to premier in NYC these days, and the rapid population growth of the west (and midwest) are making this more clear.
       
      So yes, NYC will eventually get it, but a large chunk of the telcom industry is in Dallas (google "phone prairie") and it's easier to do things on your home turf. Dow Jones, NYSE etc are in NYC where the financial firms are; technology innovation occurs in California where semiconductor and tech companies are; phone rollouts occur in Dallas.
       
      You don't see Boeing announcing the manufacture of the new 787 in Maine or Georgia. You won't see AT&T roll out new cell technology in New York City.

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    2. Re:Conspicuously bypassing NY by Doctor+Memory · · Score: 2

      NYC is so far away from Dallas it might as well be in another country.

      Translation: NYC isn't in Texas, therefore it's in another country.

      Dallas, Houston and Chicago are huge, international cities.

      Unlike, of course, New York, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, or San Francisco. What's going to be the second wave of the rollout --- Des Moines, St. Louis, Cincinnati and Cleveland?

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  7. All just a prelude to the last big telecom merger by ibsteve2u · · Score: 2

    ...after which VerizATT will rewrite their contracts to forbid the end user from disseminating negative comments regarding their service reliability and then finance the purchases of the judges required to enforce said contract by charging you by the bit transmitted or received in their only available service plan...a service plan that makes accepting unsolicited advertising mandatory.

    Although come to think of it, one or two more telecom mergers and monopolization will mean that it won't matter if the remaining corporation(s) have a bad rap for service. It will be like it, or leave it...at least until an equally well-paid Congress passes a law requiring you to purchase their service in order to give law enforcement the ability to track you via GPS. For the sake of America's security, donchaknow.

    lollll...I'm kidding...

    Probably.

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  8. Re:Even worse than not quote 4G LTE in some cases by JimboFBX · · Score: 2

    Strangely enough, my cable internet was dropping connections, so on my Atrix I disabled my wireless and watched Conan in HD using a 3 bar HSPA+, and it actually started fast and ran smooth (no buffering).

    Of course, I wonder how much content I can even watch with the 2 GB plan. Would be useful if I could see the bitrate of what I'm watching...

    Real problem is that AT&T's 3G signal doesn't travel through walls very well.

    Switching from an iPhone to an Atrix 4g though, I'm seeing that the iPhone definitely made AT&T's network seem crappier than it really was. The atrix even handles Edge data a bit faster than the iphone 3G on a purely throughput perspective.

  9. Re:Well.... by wolrahnaes · · Score: 2

    The ITU got it half right. What is 4G if not the fourth generation of cellular networks? To me, LTE and WiMax, both coming after 3G networks and being both faster and newer technology are a fourth generation. Anything HSPA-derived is not, it's just evolved 3G technology, so call it 3.5G or 3.9G, whatever. Unfortunately, when changing the terms to allow the current incarnations of LTE and WiMax to count as 4G the ITU basically gave in to T-Mobile's marketing team and allowed HSPA networks to be called 4G as well if they're fast enough. AT&T was rightfully fighting this behavior before the ITU allowed it, then immediately changed course and jumped on the "oh yea, we have '4G' too!!!!" bandwagon.

    I wonder what AT&T and T-Mobile plan to do to differentiate their LTE-equipped proper 4G devices from the pile of current 3G devices their marketards have labeled as 4G. The average consumer is likely to be very confused.

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