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Finnish Record Labels Want To Block Pirate Bay

jones_supa writes "International Federation of the Phonographic Industry, the national trade association representing record companies in Finland, has filed for a court injunction ordering the Internet service provider Elisa to block access to the Pirate Bay website. 'The development of a legal online market is impossible in Finland if illegal services like The Pirate Bay are freely allowed to continue their operations,' said Lauri Rechardt, a spokesman for Finland's branch of IFPI."

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  1. Bzzzt! Bullshit. by Microlith · · Score: 4, Informative

    If that was true in any way, shape, form, or sexual position then Apple, Amazon, and a multitude of other legitimate services would have failed.

    Lo and behold, they have not. Instead they have grown.

    1. Re:Bzzzt! Bullshit. by billcopc · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If they can't get by with gigs and t-shirts, they're doing it wrong and deserve to fail.

      My own business didn't take off overnight, just because I showed up with a screwdriver and gaudy business card. It took off because I busted my ass for years to build it up. Music for profit is a business, and must be built from the ground up, just the same. You write good tunes, you put on good concerts, you identify your market, you establish relationships with other bands, promoters, producers, etc. You keep working at it until all that investment starts paying off, and if it doesn't, you either fucked up, or you're offering a product for which no one wants to pay.

      I sure as shit would not buy someone's shirt or pay to see them, if all they played were Limp Bizkit covers, but that's what a lot of kids today are doing. Playing absolute shit to disaffected hormonal preteens, and wondering why, five years in, they're still not globe-trotting bazillionaires. I should know, because I'm operating a label :) I actually encourage my acts to give free tunes online, because it generates a ton of buzz and goodwill that pays off in spades down the road. Just look at Die Antwoord, as a prime example. They're a niche act from South Africa that has toured worldwide to great success, and yet their first album was posted on their web site, in its entirety, free to all visitors. I bought the commercial re-release, I bought the merch, I've seen them live. They've made about $60 from me, just by posting free music online, because it was GOOD music. Multiply that by the 2300 people who showed up to that one concert, and that's a pretty nice chunk of coin for a relatively unknown act. Now multiply that by the hundreds of shows they're played, and I'd call that a thundering success.

      How much money has Rihanna made from me ? ZERO. I wouldn't even download her shit for free. So what's the difference ? I actually WANT Die Antwoord to succeed, I'm interested in their offerings, I appreciate what they're doing, and the entertainment they're providing me is worth every penny. I've played that free album more times than I can remember, it gets stuck in my head. Rihanna, she just makes me reach for the mute button. The more I hear her crap on the radio, the more I feel compelled to strangle puppies. Puppies with Rihanna's album cover taped to their cute little faces.

      I don't know who Finland's most popular musical franchise might be, but it's a safe bet that if they need lobbyists to write up laws to secure their income, chances are they suck. Chances are I wouldn't ever sign them to my humble little label. Chances are I'd cheer if they got run over by a drunk driver. You're not allowed to call it art, if you're not investing your entire being into the work.

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  2. Re:Really? by dsavi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Most of the regular services are available in Finland, with the exception of Pandora (However "regular" Pandora is, I don't know). Finland also has Spotify. Given Finland's stance on free speech (We top the Reporters Without Borders press freedom index along with a few other countries, last I checked), I doubt that this kind of censorship will go through. I know, press freedom isn't entirely related to this. But Finland is a lot more liberal about such things than, say, the US.

    Pretty much everyone I know here in Finland had moved to Spotify from illegal downloading, until Spotify watered down the free version. Restoring Spotify to its previous state would be far, far more effective than blacklisting TPB.

  3. What about the levy fees? by Fizzl · · Score: 3, Informative

    We pay ungodly amounts for our blank media so we can legally copy. Fuck you Teosto and Gramex.

  4. Re:whoa by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Actually most musicians will tell you they don't make shit from record sales, all the money comes from concerts and merch. hell even those of us that played in regional bands can tell you that, you sell the CD for a little over cost, just to cover production, and where you make your profits are the T-shirts, hats, mugs, keyrings, etc.

    Why? simple: the music is advertising that gets you to the show. The more CDs you have out there, the more people you have potentially listening and hopefully playing it for their friends. this advertising then gets said friends to go to the show, where you as the artist then sell them the merch.

    I had a nice thing going with my band where in each city we played I'd go hit the pawn shops and pick up a "pawn shop special" guitar or bass, which we would all sign and either myself (if it was a bass) or one of our guitarists would play it for a few (or several if they liked the sound) songs and then we would raffle it off. Every CD,T-shirt, etc got you another slot in the drawing. made out like bandits with that one we did. Oh and if any other musicians want to use the idea I offer it under the GPL. As long as you give me credit have fun! And enjoy the money, as we'd make close to a thousand a night with that trick.

    So you see Nomadic the CDs are adverts nothing more, and it is the middle men leeches, that royally fuck EVERYBODY that are trying to make them profit centers. and why not? they steal the rights from the artists, don't pay them shit (last I checked even top draws only get a lousy 80c on a $20 CD) and own the rights to do with as they like for eternity.

    Oh and as for why anyone would sign? We were told flat footed that NO radio stations in any of the markets would be allowed to play us, NO TV other than local would be allowed to touch us, and you know what? They were right. We had DJs tell us "Man we just love your stuff and listen to it in our cars, but we'll get fired if your name isn't on the list". You see this is what in the past would be labeled payola or antitrust, but since our corporate masters were able to get those pesky laws ignored with sack fulls of bribes they are allowed to pull that shit. We never signed but we got to see first hand what happened when you did, as one of the bands opening for us did. They ended up breaking up and never being able to work together just to get out of their contract, and now they can't play those two albums worth of songs, since the record company completely owns them for eternity.

    So I can tell you that you aren't hurting any artists by going PTB, in fact the more people that listen to them the better. They will be lucky if they get a few pennies from the record leeches, more likely they will be like our friends and get hit with a $60,000 bill for "advertising expenses" for a record THEY promoted THEY recorded for less than $10k and THEY hustled to sell. The record management set up a grand total of TWO radio interviews, then new management came in and decided they were "going in a new direction" and basically left them in the street. so fuck the record companies and the horses they rode in on, you ain't doing no favors to artists by buying from them!

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  5. Re:whoa by iceaxe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The problem is supply and demand and changing technology leaving behind a formerly profitable business model that is slowly but surely going extinct, and not going quietly into that good night. The recording industry would do well to spend their efforts on figuring out a business plan that fits tomorrow instead of yesterday. Some will make the transition, some won't.

    As for TPB, they merely supply a place to discover what other people are offering - whether illegal or legal. They profit from the traffic to their website creating ad revenue. One might successfully claim that they encourage illegal acts, and that they facilitate illegal acts, but they aren't selling anything but ads and TPB paraphernalia.

    As for the artists, they are getting publicity and growing fan base at the low low cost of $0.00, which is one heck of a lot less than what the big labels charge them. (Give up your artistic freedom, give up your publishing rights, give up nearly all of the profit from selling recordings, etc. etc.)

    The fact is, for most artists the labels provide a valuable service for a steep price. However, the value of that service is decreasing, but some labels still see more profit in fighting change than in revising their way of doing things. The future is bright for labels that offer good service with equitable terms to artists, and fair prices for desired products to consumers. Fact is, though, the value of a commodity is how much someone is willing to pay for it, not how much it costs to produce. And bits are cheaply and easily obtained - unlike in the past.

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