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35 Million Google Profiles Collected

Orome1 writes "If you are one of those individuals that made their own Google Profile, chances are that you knew and agreed to the fact that the information you included in it will be available for anyone who searches for it online. But, maybe you haven't thought about the possibility of this information being harvested and indexed in order to make mining of it easier. Whether you have or not, it is ultimately irrelevant — you have shared the information with Google, and it does not forbid the indexing of the list."

151 comments

  1. Why wouldn't you? by sarahbau · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why wouldn't you think about the possibility of the information being harvested? That's a main part of Google's business model.

    1. Re:Why wouldn't you? by adisakp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you're not paying for a service, then you are the product being sold.

    2. Re:Why wouldn't you? by doti · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If I didn't want the data available to the world, I wouldn't put it there in the first place.

      Duh..

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    3. Re:Why wouldn't you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is this? Soviet Russia?

    4. Re:Why wouldn't you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Proven way to earn karma on Slashdot: appeal to the inflated self-worth of the pos(t)ers.

    5. Re:Why wouldn't you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why wouldn't you think about the possibility of the information being harvested? That's a main part of Google's business model.

      Outside of the Slashdot crowd, most people don't realize what Google's business model is.

    6. Re:Why wouldn't you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Paying or not for a service, you are the product being sold.

      FIFY.

    7. Re:Why wouldn't you? by creat3d · · Score: 1

      If I didn't want the data available to the world, I wouldn't put it there in the first place.

      Duh..

      Also: If you don't want your real personal info available to the world, you never give your real info in the first place. If you're technically-savvy enough, you can alter your footprint considerably as well...

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    8. Re:Why wouldn't you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, sometimes even when you are paying for the service, you are still a product being sold. It's easier to just assume that's the case.

    9. Re:Why wouldn't you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Zuckerberg, the anti-Google PR campaign won't work, we all know you're evil:
      http://content.usatoday.com/communities/entertainment/post/2011/05/mark-zuckerbergs-new-diet-eating-only-what-he-kills/1

    10. Re:Why wouldn't you? by ProfessionalCookie · · Score: 1

      or you're a thief.

    11. Re:Why wouldn't you? by node+3 · · Score: 1

      Why wouldn't you think about the possibility of the information being harvested? That's a main part of Google's business model.

      Because: "Don't Be Evil"

      A lot of people (understandably) assume it means more than it really does.

    12. Re:Why wouldn't you? by npsimons · · Score: 1

      If you're not paying for a service, then you are the product being sold.

      Wow. I wonder what Linus, RMS, ESR and DJB are doing with my personal information.

    13. Re:Why wouldn't you? by RoFLKOPTr · · Score: 1

      If you're not paying for a service, then you are the product being sold.

      You write that as though being a "product" somehow dehumanizes you, and yet at the same time you're creating a false sense of self-worth. Why is it a problem if I'm the "product"?

    14. Re:Why wouldn't you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is it a problem if I'm the "product"?

      What if you're the product of 1x0?

    15. Re:Why wouldn't you? by Risen888 · · Score: 1

      Do you want your search history available to the world? You put it there.

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    16. Re:Why wouldn't you? by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

      No, you are being sold either way, one way or another. Privacy policies and even laws be damned, it's the all-mighty dollar that ultimately wins out.

    17. Re:Why wouldn't you? by mr_gorkajuice · · Score: 1

      Because: "Don't Be Evil" A lot of people (understandably) assume it means more than it really does.

      I like to think that Google is not directly responsible for the deaths of any kittens.
      I assume they probably have some internal policies about dos and don'ts, a few of which was spawned by a feeling of self-righteousness, and they probably obey these for the most part.
      And I'm under the impression that they treat their employees fairly well.

      Other than that, just another company, looking to profit.

    18. Re:Why wouldn't you? by doti · · Score: 1

      Good point.

      If you want to hide something, just don't do anything online with it, even if you "trust" the other party.

      When I put anything online, even if configured to be seen only by my friends, or even only by myself, I am aware that it may breach to public access. That is the nature of digital data ("information wants to be free").

      The most important action that need to be taken in respect to information security and privacy is a campaign for people to be aware of that.

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    19. Re:Why wouldn't you? by Risen888 · · Score: 1

      I can see your point, but that logic leads to "I can't use the internet ever again." You can't search, you can't follow links, you can't chat, you can't do nothin'. I do not find that solution acceptable. Do I have a compelling answer? No I do not. But we'd better find one.

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    20. Re:Why wouldn't you? by baerm · · Score: 1

      If you're not paying for a service, then you are the product being sold.

      You write that as though being a "product" somehow dehumanizes you, and yet at the same time you're creating a false sense of self-worth. Why is it a problem if I'm the "product"?

      Not the GP, but it does dehumanize you. Try saying this,

      I threw that product in the trash when I was done with it.
      I threw Mary in the trash when I was done with her.

      Unless you're a sociopath, the second one should have some serious negative connatations. Although I would agree that being a 'product' might not be all bad. It may be a trade off that's worth it. I would argue that generally the productising of humans is not transparent. The majority of people being treated that way don't realise it, or its full implications, and often don't have a choice whether to be treated that way or not. It is inherently flawed and bad for society unless it is very carefully done.

    21. Re:Why wouldn't you? by node+3 · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Some people think it means more than it really does.

  2. does this mean that strangers will visit at home? by alen · · Score: 3, Funny

    because i made sure my profile was complete with my address and everything since everyone on the internets is friends and cool

  3. Are you surprised? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is this news?

    1. Re:Are you surprised? by drb226 · · Score: 2

      How is this news?

      This! Is! Slashdot!

    2. Re:Are you surprised? by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      You! Are! Not! Captain! Kirk!

    3. Re:Are you surprised? by somersault · · Score: 1

      Missed! The! REFEREEEEEENCE! *kicks h4rr4r down a well*

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      which is totally what she said
    4. Re:Are you surprised? by dkleinsc · · Score: 3, Informative

      No ... this ... is ... Captain ... .... Kirk.

      This! Is! Leonidas!

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    5. Re:Are you surprised? by blair1q · · Score: 2

      This!...is CNN...

    6. Re:Are you surprised? by ChinggisK · · Score: 2

      This! Is! Jeopardy!

  4. Trade by DaleHarris · · Score: 1

    Isn't it something we all agreed to: trade ease of use and functionality with a little bit of privacy loss?

    1. Re:Trade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They who can give up essential privacy to obtain a little ease of use, deserve neither

      Benjamin Franklin (1818)

    2. Re:Trade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, we lost that fight a long time ago. It's called, ironically enough, government. They know where you live. They know what car you drive. They know where you work. They definitely know your social security number. And they have the power to destroy you.

      At least Google doesn't know my SSN (yet)

    3. Re:Trade by somersault · · Score: 1

      "Those who giveth a fuck what Ben Franklin thinks are idiots."

      -- Benjamin Franklin (1817)

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      which is totally what she said
    4. Re:Trade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol - you're an idiot.

    5. Re:Trade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The problem with quotes on the internet, is that you can't be sure they're genuine"

        -- Mark Twain (1968)

    6. Re:Trade by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      "The problem wit quots on the intarweb, you cant be sure da reals" - Mark Twain (2052)

    7. Re:Trade by Risen888 · · Score: 1

      Nope. I use Duck Duck Go. http://duckduckgo.com/

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  5. Um, I am missing the obvious? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    Decide what the world sees when it searches for you.

    Create a public profile to display the information you care about and make it easy for visitors to get to know you.

    Seems pretty self-explanatory.

    1. Re:Um, I am missing the obvious? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you're not. Everyone who manually created a Google Profile account knew exactly which information was public.

      If I remember right (I deleted my Google accts long ago) there were some controls regarding with whom to share specific Profile information (for phone numbers, address, etc).

    2. Re:Um, I am missing the obvious? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alternatively, not care one iota what the World sees what it searches for you. No need to spend hours every week updating Facebook and "profiles".

      I win!

    3. Re:Um, I am missing the obvious? by brunes69 · · Score: 1

      As I pointed out in another comment - Google Profiles and Google Accounts are two totall different things. Just because you have a Google account doesn't mean you have a public profile. You have to manually go to google.com/profiles and make one youself. Unless you did that then you don't have one. And the whole purpose, as it says on that sign-up page, is so that when people search for your name your profile will be returned.

      This is a total non-story.

  6. Petition by Kamiza+Ikioi · · Score: 1, Funny

    Let's get a petition together to get Google to put up a robots.txt on Google so that Google can't Google Google.

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    1. Re:Petition by drb226 · · Score: 1

      Yo dawg, I heard you like AND don't like Google, so I put up a robots.txt on your Google so your Google can't Google you while you Google. Great googley-woogley!

    2. Re:Petition by PhxBlue · · Score: 1

      And furthermore: Google Google Google Google Google Google Google Google.

      (Ref: Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo..)

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  7. Well, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm glad no one started harvesting any of my Facebook Profile.

    1. Re:Well, by hedwards · · Score: 1

      MySpace was great, if your private information was leaked, you could just have the FBI take care of it for you.

  8. Re:Big deal... by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

    GOATSE.

    Which is not shocking anymore, kiddo. Get a new Schtick.

  9. the problem isn't now, it's the past. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    These days, anyone who hasn't been living in a gave for the last 15 years knows that this kind of data is not private.

    The bigger issue for having no searchable online presence is stuff from the early days of the internet, like 1980-1985. Back then, everyone posted (to usenet - this was long before the web) with their real names. Furthermore, nobody had any idea that someday all that would be archived retroactively. At the time, posts were considered ephemeral - once they decayed off servers, they were thought to be gone forever.

    But it later turned out that archives of this stuff were saved by one person. It wasn't clear at the time - remember, home computers then commonly had 4 *kilo*bytes of memory, and no hard drives, and storage space was bloody expensive. Most people were online using big iron, and those accounts were attached to your real name by whatever organization owned the machine. Fortunately, I never posted anything under my real name that I'd be upset for anyone to find now, but some people did, and that stuff is traceable to them forever. Yes, you might be convince google (who bought the archives, originally made by Henry Spencer) to delete *your* posts, but not when what you wrote was quoted by others.

    I don't have much sympathy for anyone now who isn't aware that anything you post is going to be data-mined out the ass, but in the early 80's, nobody knew - it was just a single individual in the entire world who was saving the stuff.

    1. Re:the problem isn't now, it's the past. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fortunately, I never posted anything under my real name that I'd be upset for anyone to find now,

      You say that, and yet, I can find thousands of posts with your user name: Anonymous Coward all over the internet. Too late buddy, you've been busted.

  10. Re:does this mean that strangers will visit at hom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    +5 Funny

  11. Welcome to the Post Privacy Age by jarich · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We've allowed our bed to be made. Now will we continue to use services that require us to give up our privacy while we complain loudly at the loss of privacy? Come on everyone. Pick one.

    1. Re:Welcome to the Post Privacy Age by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because you've given up your privacy doesn't mean everyone has.

      Some of us saw this coming, and didn't give up our privacy in the first place.

    2. Re:Welcome to the Post Privacy Age by Smidge207 · · Score: 0

      Getting a college degree, regardless of the major, requires discipline, persistence, and dedication. Now, it may be that there are many people out there who "didn't leran anything" from college. But if you managed to get a reasonable GPA (3.0 or higher), then you probably learned something, and you actually had to take the time to study for your classes. When I interview someone who has a good GPA, this is evidence (although not proof) to me that they can be given work to do, and they will understand it and get it done. Someone without a college degree lacks that evidence. They MAY have that kind of discipline, but I can't guess that very well from a short interview. (An alternative might be good references from past employers.)

      Some claim that it is theoretically possible to do well in classes and then promptly forget everything you crammed. But that's disingenuous and discounts the effects of (a) subconscious learning, and (b) meta-learning. Even if you can't recall things you learned at will, you are often able to recall them in context. You forgot that you learned something. And meta-learning is more of a mind-shaping thing, where spending the time to learn some new subject matter forces you to think about things in an unfamiliar way. Even if you forget all the facts, it creates a broader view that makes you more adaptable. (This is why I prefer interviewees who had diverse minors.)

      After 9 years in industry, I decided to get a Ph.D. in Computer Science. I found the advanced core courses in the grad program to be challenging, but they were not a fundamentally new way of thinking. On the other hand, there were the grad courses I took in linguistics, psychology, cognitive science, and cognitive engineering. Each of those fields has a culture quite different from what I am used to in CS, and taking those courses introduced me to very different perspectives on things. In order to do well in those courses (I did get all A's), I had to learn to think like them. The CS courses made me feel like I had learned some things I didn't know before. The courses in other disciplines made me feel like I had grown intellectually.

      As a side note, those aforementioned areas seem to attract more women. Indeed, psychology, at least in grad school, is _dominated_ by women. Now, I'm happily married, so I had no interest in finding anyone to date. But for someone else, this might be something to look into. For me, what I enjoyed was encountering yet another perspective. For various reasons (cultural, genetic, hormonal, etc.), men and women seem to have different perspectives on many things. And in grad school, most of the students are very smart. So taking psych courses had me interacting with women who not only have a different perspective but also have the IQ and meta-cognitiion to be able to convey that perspective well to others. (Some of the differences are due to the different field, while some seemed to be clearly due to gender.) So, I enjoyed very much the things I could learn from them, especially those things that they understood better than the males in their field. On a similar note, I also enjoyed working with women in engineering. The diversity they bring includes not just different approaches to engineering, but also a "softer feel" they bring to the workplace, like how they decorate their offices and interact with others. I would probably feel less of a need to focus on this if there weren't so few women in computer science and engineering.

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    3. Re:Welcome to the Post Privacy Age by hansraj · · Score: 1

      Nothing personal, but what the fuck are you on about? I even tried skipping the main page hoping to see a story that you might have had in mind when you were typing that rant.

    4. Re:Welcome to the Post Privacy Age by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      Sounds more like a reply to the "100 000$ to start your own business" topic.

  12. Re:FUCK Google by Ruke · · Score: 1

    You know, I'd never really thought about it like that before. Thanks for your valuable and insightful contribution to this discussion!

  13. That's not evil? by vinn01 · · Score: 1

    They need a new compass the points to "evil" when they do stuff like this.

    Just because they can, doesn't mean they should!

    1. Re:That's not evil? by Asic+Eng · · Score: 1

      No it's not evil. You made the profile in order to be found, they index the profile so you can be found. They told you about it beforehand, you knew about it beforehand.

      The service is advertised with Decide what the world sees when it searches for you.

      Useless maybe, but not evil.

    2. Re:That's not evil? by mcmonkey · · Score: 1

      How is this evil?

      (And Google does plenty of evil stuff. I'm pretty everyone considers that "Don't be evil" mantra a joke at this point.)

      Perhaps I'm missing something, but isn't this like knowing/agreeing to having your phone number in the phone book, and then finding out the phone book is indexed so people can easily find your phone number?

      If you don't want your phone number easily accessible, don't put it in the phone book. If you don't want your personal details easily searchable through Google, don't create a public Google profile.

      Given that I'd never heard of Google Profiles before this story, I'm guessing the odds are about 100% this story is either a plant by a Google competitor to scare us with the boogy man of privacy, or a plant by Google itself to raise the profile of Profiles.

      And now that I have heard of Google Profiles, duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh! First thing on profiles.google.com:

      Decide what the world sees when it searches for you.
      Create a public profile to display the information you care about and make it easy for visitors to get to know you.

      How can it be news and/or evil that this information is publicly available, when the main selling point is that this information will be publicly available?

  14. Not Unexpected by lezeste · · Score: 1

    In a world where being anonymous is getting difficult these examples are something you expect. I am sure it's a bit too late to do anything but I think I should make everything private but I am sure Google has already cached my profile.

    1. Re:Not Unexpected by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Problem?

  15. That's kinda the point by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What is the point of creating a Google Profile if not for it to be indexed such as someone else can find you and read about you in relevant queries?

    1. Re:That's kinda the point by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Your profile is used when you post from gMail or on other Google services like Maps, Checkout, Shopping (reviews) and Sidewiki. Other sites that allow login via Google profile also use profile data for putting names on posts and the like. I think YouTube uses it too now.

      I think a lot of people assumed that the reason Google wanted this data was to provide these services, not to allow anyone to come along and mine it. For example when you post a review on Amazon as long as you didn't use your real name there is not much people can do to access more of your data, other than looking to see what else you reviewed.

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    2. Re:That's kinda the point by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Um, we're talking about Google Profile, capital "P". You know, the place where the title page spells it out:

      Decide what the world sees when it searches for you.
      Create a public profile to display the information you care about and make it easy for visitors to get to know you.

      This is not the same as a Google account that you use to log into GMail/Maps/Checkout/...

    3. Re:That's kinda the point by brunes69 · · Score: 1

      No, IT IS NOT.

      This has nothing to do with Google Accounts. It is talking about Google Profiles. The incredible majority of people who have Google Accounts would not have Google Profiles set up because unless you go looking for it you won't even know what it is.

      www.google.com/profiles

      The whole point of setting up your Google profile IS SO THAT YOU WILL BE INDEXED BY GOOGLE - that is why this story is so ridiculous. This guy just downladed 30 million profiles and said "look, I indexed them!"

      Umm... what do you think Google does for a living? Why do you think I made this profile anyway? It is so that I would be included accurately in their index!

      Having an accurate and controllable Google result come up when people search for your name as a professional is very important in today's job market, especially the tech sector. It could make or break you getting the job. That is why these profiles exist.

  16. Re:does this mean that strangers will visit at hom by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 1

    >> my profile was complete with my address

    Ernest Borgnine, you're at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue? Isn't that a pretty rough neighborhood?

  17. It is good we are still making profiles by makubesu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    at all. I'm just waiting for the day when I sign up for some google social network, only to find that they already made my profile for me, full of all of my interests, contact information, relationships, and even pictures.

    1. Re:It is good we are still making profiles by berashith · · Score: 1

      and it can let me know my dinner plans for this weekend

    2. Re:It is good we are still making profiles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and it can let me know my dinner plans for this weekend

      Sounds like Google Wife. Sadly, it'll probably be in beta for years.

    3. Re:It is good we are still making profiles by X86Daddy · · Score: 1

      The beta of Google Buzz pre-populated social contacts...

  18. Re:FUCK Google by jdgeorge · · Score: 1

    Zuck is always glad to add value to a discussion. :-)

  19. Re:FUCK Google by somersault · · Score: 1

    That's what Google Images is for.

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    which is totally what she said
  20. nothing new ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    http://www.zdnet.com/blog/google/google-opens-up-your-profile-to-search-engines/1158

    Google opens up your profile to search engines
    By Garett Rogers | October 15, 2008

  21. And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's the whole point of it.
    If you made it, most likely you WANTED to be found. Whether it is your actual details or fake, nickname-y details.

  22. Facebook suckage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This sounds like more facebook suckage.

  23. This is why I made my Google profile!! by sanchom · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's the point of a Google profile! To let people more easily find you. I would certainly hope that they allow indexing of this information.
    Why would you want a private profile? Like Creed from The Office, I can make a private profile with Microsoft Word.

    1. Re:This is why I made my Google profile!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      /aol_me_2

      I mean, holy carp... back-in-the-day, everyone was indexed in this horrible privacy-invading tome called the white-pages. Names, address and phone number were easily discoverable. Now, I want people to still be able to find me, so I purposely put lots of info on my google profile.

      I have no problem with the info being easily accessible.

  24. OpenId by sourcerror · · Score: 1

    And probably anyone can access it through OpenId (S/A/L), same for Facebook, Yahoo, and anyone who supports OpenId.

    "OpenID is rapidly gaining adoption on the web, with over one billion OpenID enabled user accounts and over 50,000 websites accepting OpenID for logins. Several large organizations either issue or accept OpenIDs, including Google, Facebook, Yahoo!, Microsoft, AOL, MySpace, Sears, Universal Music Group, France Telecom, Novell, Sun, Telecom Italia, and many more.

    Who Owns or Controls OpenID?

    OpenID was created in the summer of 2005 by an open source community trying to solve a problem that was not easily solved by other existing identity technologies. As such, OpenID is decentralized and not owned by anyone, nor should it be. Today, anyone can choose to use an OpenID or become an OpenID Provider for free without having to register or be approved by any organization."

    http://openid.net/get-an-openid/what-is-openid/

    "openid.ax.required
    (required) Specifies the attribute being requested. Valid values include:

    "country"
    "email"
    "firstname"
    "language"
    "lastname"

    To request multiple attributes, set this parameter to a comma-delimited list of attributes.
    "

    http://code.google.com/intl/hu-HU/apis/accounts/docs/OpenID.html

  25. Re:does this mean that strangers will visit at hom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Holy shit, dude! I just found out about this thing where the phone company (those evil fuckers) put your address in this large book with white pages. It even has your name and phone number too. How will we ever survive in this modern world where we have all these totally new privacy issues that have never come up before?

  26. Ahem. by blair1q · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Internet is not secure.

  27. Bla bla bla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You could also consume the service, be it google, facebook, slashdot, or whatever, give out no useful information even your name, and block every single advert served.

    How am I the product exactly?

    1. Re:Bla bla bla by Lost+Race · · Score: 1

      You're providing content for Slashdot and Facebook; more content attracts more users who might eventually be more profitable than you are. Google can collect your search terms and click-throughs to provide bulk data for market researchers. The value of these things is negligible but multiplied by hundreds of millions of users it might be worth something.

    2. Re:Bla bla bla by adisakp · · Score: 1

      You could also consume the service, be it google, facebook, slashdot, or whatever, give out no useful information even your name, and block every single advert served.

      How am I the product exactly?

      Google and Facebook make money several way - you may try to avoid some of them, but if you use the services you can't avoid all of them.

      1) Selling ads to you. If you explicitly block ads, you may be violating their terms of services. Still, most users do not block all ads or it's a pain to block 100% of them. Perhaps you miraculously block all ads.

      2) Selling User Data to advertisers. Anything you upload or post may be used for advertising. Facebook will use your pictures to advertise to friends unless you navigate some hard-to-find settings and explicitly opt out. Perhaps you do not post to FB and have enabled all you privace settings correctly.

      3) Encouraging viral links with pay per view hits. Example: Everytime you watch a youtube video that has a small video ad in front of it, you are an "impression" for that ad and they are getting paid. Perhaps you never watch YouTube though.

      4) Every action you do on these sites from pages you view, links you click, and search terms you enter is saved with IP address. If you are using these services at all, even anonymously, they are still collecting and aggregrating data about your usage and that data can be sold. They may be counting view impressions on associate sites (that are not even the main google or facebook sites). Just being here and posting snide comments like your previous one is adding to the data being collected.

      Because of #4 if you even visit these sites (or any associated sites), they are somehow incorporating your input into their business model. The only way for you to claim 100% freedom from being a product is not to play - and not playing today involves not connecting to the internet at all.

    3. Re:Bla bla bla by adisakp · · Score: 1

      Exactly... he's saying he's not the product but if he considers his comment to be "useful" it's potentially drawing other people to the site and those visitors might not be blocking ads. Just by posting he's contributing to their business model.

    4. Re:Bla bla bla by smash · · Score: 1
      Well, sure, you could.

      But the point of facebook, and all social networking sites is to stay in contact with peope you know.

      If you can't find them, and they can't find you then the whole point of using the site at all breaks down.

      --
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    5. Re:Bla bla bla by Risen888 · · Score: 1

      Your anonymous data can still be aggregated. It's still a product, as are you.

      --
      Hey, I finally got my first freak! Took you long enough!
    6. Re:Bla bla bla by fritish · · Score: 1

      Well, I'm not worried then. Personally, I'm not connected to the internet. I type all my messages on a computer without an Internet connection, then save it using a thumb-sized flash drive. I then pass the flash drive to a trusted courier, who heads for a distant Internet café.

      At that location, the courier plugs the memory drive into a computer, copies the message into Slashdot and sends it. Reversing the process, the courier copies any incoming email to the flash drive and returns, where I read messages offline.

      Why I go though this amount of security for slashdot, I don't know.

      I'm pretty sure this has been done before. Though I can't remember by who...

      --
      "Coffee is for closers."
    7. Re:Bla bla bla by RuiFerreira · · Score: 1

      Though I can't remember by who...

      RMS?

  28. Let 'em harvest... by fyngyrz · · Score: 3, Funny

    This is my google profile:

    Introduction

    At first I was just two cells, one of which won an informal swimming competition. Then, a blastula. Then an embryo, a fetus, a baby, a really, really annoying child with a guitar, a totally out of control teenager with several guitars and amplifiers, a reformed young adult, an engineer, then finally, I matured into the sexual tyrannosaurus that I am today. Tomorrow, however, I may be senile, not to mention that whole sexual thing depending on drugs. Possibly there will be drugging to avoid depends, too. If you need more information, you're advised to ask me soon, before I forget entirely who I am. Wait, what was the question?

    Occupation

          Pondering

    Employment

            I ponder conundrums

    Previous employers

          Many

    Education

            University of Life
            Ph.D in Hard Knocks
            Masters of Reality
            Bachelors in Dating
            Associates in Matters of Degree
            Honorary "Get off my Lawn" with "Or I'll Shoot" cluster

    --
    I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
    1. Re:Let 'em harvest... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sometimes, you just crack yourself up, and you're constantly amazed at how clever you are.

    2. Re:Let 'em harvest... by jhoegl · · Score: 1

      Its like you know me.

    3. Re:Let 'em harvest... by PNutts · · Score: 1

      So much for getting a decent job.

    4. Re:Let 'em harvest... by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      LOL... you depend on a google profile to get you a job? Oh, brother. :)

      --
      I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
    5. Re:Let 'em harvest... by Seumas · · Score: 1

      Employers will never think of googling potential employees!

    6. Re:Let 'em harvest... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I prefer to just put [PRIVATE] in every field, then people think I am some kind of uber hacker who can block access to his Facebook profile.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    7. Re:Let 'em harvest... by siddesu · · Score: 1

      Assuming this is your real profile on google, you just connected your slashdot account, your posting history and opinions to it. That, and your slashdot homepage and your blog (same as your slashdot ID) gives me quite enough to stalk you as I please, especially if I am a company who's in the business of indexing home pages and blogs.

      And so on.

  29. Re:does this mean that strangers will visit at hom by RobertM1968 · · Score: 1

    because i made sure my profile was complete with my address and everything since everyone on the internets is friends and cool

    LoL, you just described the Facebook Friendlist phenomena.

  30. Alternatives? by Cthefuture · · Score: 1

    Anyone know of any alternatives that will let me sync my Android phone with all the information I do now? Calendar, phone book, installed applications, bookmarks, etc. It is really handy whenever I wipe my phone or get a new one, everything just magically transfers over. I was even able to cross devices when I switched from Symbian to Android, because I was using the Symbian Google syncing stuff.

    I hate that Google has all that information but it's just so damn handy. There is no reason why I couldn't run my own server for that though. Something open source and Linux based would be good.

    --
    The ratio of people to cake is too big
    1. Re:Alternatives? by jittles · · Score: 1

      I set up my own Zimbra server and it does all of that except for the apps. I decided long ago that I wasn't going to just hand any of these companies my entire address book.

  31. Shocked by element-o.p. · · Score: 1

    You mean...data I choose to make public on Google is... PUBLIC ?!?!?!

    --
    MCSE? No, sir...I don't do Windows. Yes, I am an idealist. What's your point?
    1. Re:Shocked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OH NOES! Next you'll tell me people can read things I write in this box on Slashdot... :)

  32. Re:does this mean that strangers will visit at hom by skydyr · · Score: 2

    It's so rough, they put snipers on the roof!

  33. Public information is public by Phasma+Felis · · Score: 1

    How is this news?

  34. Easily fixed by Radiophobic · · Score: 1

    by not entering a bunch of information in the first place. People need to read the terms of service, and think about what kind of information they put online.

  35. I am! I was! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And my entry in the database is the footprint of my soul, expressing my brief existence long after the rest of me has faded away...

  36. Umm... ok what is the problem? by Riceballsan · · Score: 1
    So someone is complaining that information posted to something that is specifically designed to make the information public and searchable, on a website that is famous for it's incredible indexing and filtering capabilities, and the complaint is that the information is easy to get? Lets put something into sane terms ok.

    If information is claimed to be private (e-mails, your contacts, messages etc...) is compromised then it's a privacy violation
    Information that is announced to be public designed to be easy to access for anyone, then it is PUBLIC, there is no privacy violation.

  37. There are advantages by Christoph · · Score: 1

    In 2003, Arlene Corpuz did a Google search for "microsoft word class handout". She found my website where I had teaching handouts I wrote. Arlene was in the Philippines, emailed me, and I provided the documents she wanted.

    She had a Geocities homepage in her signature. I read it, and we corresponded.

    In September of 2004, I landed in Manila. In June of 2005, Arlene and I were married in the USA. In March of 2008, our daughter, Athena Corpuz Gregerson was born.

    This was the advantage, for us, of sharing information about ourselves online. We have not experienced any disadvantages yet.

    1. Re:There are advantages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so the summary of the story is you were/are running a smuggling ring into the country?

    2. Re:There are advantages by orkysoft · · Score: 1

      Nah, they probably just bought the rings in America.

      --

      I suffer from attention surplus disorder.
  38. Not much there. by pulski · · Score: 1

    My Google Profile consists of my name, e-mail address and an avatar of the "Awesome Smiley" for GChat. They can mine that all they want.

  39. Re:does this mean that strangers will visit at hom by creat3d · · Score: 1

    Holy shit, dude! I just found out about this thing where the phone company (those evil fuckers) put your address in this large book with white pages. It even has your name and phone number too. How will we ever survive in this modern world where we have all these totally new privacy issues that have never come up before?

    I'm not calling BS on this but do you have any proof of your claims? What's the name of the book?

    --
    Grammar nazis are to this community what excrements are to gold.
  40. Why is this news? by Zamphatta · · Score: 1

    Why is this news?? You make a profile online, not for yourself, but for others... for public consumption. So... huh?

  41. While I was at it.... by Mojo+Geek · · Score: 1

    I allowed them to index my socks and underwear drawer, but not before I bought new underwear so's as to show off my spiffy skiveys. Now, no matter my mood, the right undies are no more than 0,.27 msecs away. And to think all that is even available now via my phone (or yours). Great googly moogly we have arrived.

  42. Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they can find value in the made up data I put in there, good for them.

  43. Re:does this mean that strangers will visit at hom by Unkyjar · · Score: 1

    We always just called it the BAB, a shortened acronym for Big Azz Book That Won't Fit On A Shelf.

  44. Re:does this mean that strangers will visit at hom by pnutjam · · Score: 1

    I wish it was only one book, they leave 12 different editions on my porch every year.

  45. Re:FUCK Google by Unkyjar · · Score: 1

    Wear a rubber, I hear Google's a bit of a slut.

  46. Free advertisment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a public profile. At least for me, I put stuff there that I want people to know about. Most of the time they don't care.

    Now if someone makes it more accessable and actually reads it, the better.

    Many people pay advertising companies to do so.

    Of course, putting private information on public profiles is highly stupid. No, I don't expect most people to understand that before they get into an uncomfortable place, but well, that's not my problem.

  47. Facebook by ProfessionalCookie · · Score: 1

    How much is Facebook paying for slashdot stories? News flash: Public Profiles are . . . Public! Welcome to teh webz.

  48. Re:FUCK Google by Dremth · · Score: 1

    I guess no one bothered to look in the options when they created their Google Profile and uncheck the "Make my profile visible to search" box. Don't blame Google for your own misdoings.

  49. Re:Big deal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, nice list. This is some hardcore dedication on your part, good sir.

  50. Re:does this mean that strangers will visit at hom by Risen888 · · Score: 1

    You can opt out of that. Call the phone company. It's free.

    --
    Hey, I finally got my first freak! Took you long enough!
  51. OMG! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OMG!
    I put tons of confidential, proprietary, and personal info online because its .... well I mean... like "why not, dude?". Then suddenly some big profit oriented company run by millionaire executives who earn way more than unionized janitors and won't pay their fair share of taxes wants to mine my data for evil marketing purposes SO THEY CAN MAKE MORE MONEY AND WORSEN THE INCOME INEQUALITY PROBLEM!!!!!!!

    ITS, LIKE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, NOT FAIR!!!!!

  52. Re:does this mean that strangers will visit at hom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And you opt _in_ to Google Profile. So what's the problem?

  53. Write articles about the obvious by Vernes · · Score: 1

    Does Zeljka Zorz make articles about the obvious?
    And if so, howmuch canyou earn?

    "Sun emits heat"
    "Images relay information"
    "Computers consume energy"
    "New agencies accept quantity of quality"

  54. So long for private profiles ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    From the google website

    "
    The purpose of Google Profiles is to enable you to manage your online identity. Today, nearly all Google Profiles are public. We believe that using Google Profiles to help people find and connect with you online is how the product is best used. Private profiles don’t allow this, so we have decided to require all profiles to be public.

    Keep in mind that your full name is the only required information that will be displayed on your profile; you’ll be able to edit or remove any other information that you don’t want to share.

    If you currently have a private profile but you do not wish to make your profile public, you can delete your profile. Or, you can simply do nothing. All private profiles will be deleted after July 31, 2011.
    "

    Oh I love those guys, well at least they won't change my profile to public without my consent

  55. Hyperbole / non story by brunes69 · · Score: 1

    The whole purpose of creating a Google Profile is so that your profile will be included in Google's index.

    In fact the Google Profile mission statement says exactly that. The whole thing is geared around you wanting to be returned when people search for you.

    What a non story this is.

  56. Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What a non story to post. I guess now you see your handle and your 30sec. of fame. Enjoy it lamo

  57. Yeah, no shit. by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

    It turns out that if you intentionally and explicitly put information into a public database, it will then be available in a public database.

  58. As long as Microsoft isn't the one doing it by chemosh6969 · · Score: 1

    We all know what happens then. First they get the information from profiles, then they get the money, then they get the power, then they get the Real Dolls.

  59. Wasn't that the point? by IHateEverybody · · Score: 1

    I still have a some of the free Google Profile business cards that Google gave away to promote this when it first came out. I thought it was a pretty cool way to control the information that appeared when someone googled you. And the reason why I thought that was because it was pretty much how Google sold it.

    --
    Does this .sig make my butt look big?
  60. Oh come off it by Ramin_HAL9001 · · Score: 0

    I am sick of people ranting about Google and their market research. Its been like this forever -- people collecting information on you so they know what to sell you and how. Now technology just makes it easier to do, as technology does with everything. So if that scares you, go live in a cave.

    All I want is to NOT be censored. If the data were being used to try and censor me, I would be against it. But otherwise, I voluntarily tell people what I like and hate, and if Google wants to know so they can sell me something, all they need to do is ask. I hate advertising, but the reason I hate it is because 99.99909174% of it has nothing to do with what I like or what I want to buy. Like, I am sick of ads for Windows software when I haven't used Windows for anything, EVER. If every advertisement I ever see happens to be something I might be interested in buying, that would be awesome.

    Google is solving these problems, and I am glad.

  61. Re:does this mean that strangers will visit at hom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    20 years around computers, and all you are is a tech? You're a joke Robert. You must be a retrograde idiot, because even young kids in collegiate academia accomplish more than that Robert, and they do it in less time put in. The "M" in your name must stand for moron.

  62. Re:does this mean that strangers will visit at hom by RobertM1968 · · Score: 1

    LoL, thanks idiot. But I've done far more than that. And, I do what makes me happy. Next time you want to take a pot shot, dont hide behind AC status and log in. Or send me an email.

  63. The 20 yr. F A I L plan, by RobertM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes kids, you too can be an utter failure like RobertM, and spend 20 years around computers and only end up being a techie, lmao! Not only that, but his "management plan" is sure to crumble even the biggest corporations like CompUSA (which RobertM used to work at as a techie), because of his great "l33te skillz" (not).

    1. Re:The 20 yr. F A I L plan, by RobertM by RobertM1968 · · Score: 1

      Yeah loser... I was actually a tech manager, with a 74% profit margin in my shop (far higher than the 50% required). Keep hiding behind your AC badge... you really arent hiding very well. Expect nothing else from me... TB

  64. You've an unknown zero nobody RobertM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't recall seeing a RobertM in anything worthwhile or that was news of any kind in the field of computing so who are you trying to fool, loser? Yourself? You're not pulling the wool over our eyes. You're a dime a dozen nothing and you know it. Apparently being a nobody suits you and makes you happy (or you can't achieve anything and are satisfied with your loser status).

  65. In a company that fell apart? LMAO! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    CompUSA is outta business Long Island LOSER that you are... lol!

    74% of ZERO = 0

    20 yrs. and that's all you managed? Please, lol, you're making us all LAUGH at you. It also seems that you troll others from your posting history and you cannot take it when it gets done to you. That's hilariously droll. You can "dish it out" but, you cannot take it in return.

    1. Re:In a company that fell apart? LMAO! by RobertM1968 · · Score: 1

      LoL, grow up. Then again, I guess you always were an idiot.

  66. The "RobertM mgt. plan" = You're SURE TO FAIL! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is CompUSA where you worked still in business RobertM? No?? Yes, kids: You TOO can be a "real winner" like RobertM, & help drive your company INTO THE GROUND!

    LMAO! Remember the RobertM business plan's MAIN EQUATION/FORMULA, lol:

    74% of ZERO = 0

    (Which isn't saying much either, I used to live in Massapequa Long Island on Ocean Avenue, & I worked for CableVision in their NOC - the area is HIGH INCOME/wealthy, so trying to "twist stats" over the rest of the nation (that's not doing as well mind you)? Dumb! Did you think you could "fool us" with b.s.? Again 74% of ZERO = 0).

    1. Re:The "RobertM mgt. plan" = You're SURE TO FAIL! by RobertM1968 · · Score: 1

      Worked - past tense. 74% of my gross profit was (past tense) profit. We were required to reach 50%. And it was from new methods of doing things that *I* implemented - ones other tech shops started implementing in our district (also to increased success). Sadly, the rest of the company wasn't in quite as good shape. By the time I was fast tracked into management and started initiating changes, even with the increase in profits from the tech shops that jumped into it, it wasn't enough to save the rest of the company.

      But, you of all people should know how that works... takes forever to convince upper management the right way of doing things from people who actually work in the field and... you know... do those things. That's what sank CompUSA to begin with. New management of bookkeepers and accountants who didnt know anything about computers, tech stuff, business sales, etc. 6 months before they decided to give up, they replaced those people, planned on implementing a bunch of our plans, but then realized they didnt even have a fraction of the money they needed to do so (over simplification: they were hoping Slim would give them another chance with the new management team - he didnt).

      Funnily enough, most of my posts have been humor of late... like the one you first responded to above. So, what's the chip on your shoulder for?

  67. Yes, I do know "how that works" (U twist stats) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A 74% profit in Long Island? EASY to achieve, especially by comparison to the rest of the nation & in the same CompUSA chain!

    I know that - mainly because I lived there, for 1.5 yrs. working for CableVision's NOC (not far from it, as you know) in Syosset (iirc, it's been a few years since then, I rarely went out/travelled, it was ALL "work-work-work" just to survive costs in LI).

    Long Island's WEALTHY, people spend there. It's not a "huge trick" to outdo the minimum requirements for departmental or store profits by comparison to the rest of the chain considering the rest of the nation's NOT as "well off" on "Strong Island" is per capita. It's the suburb of NYC basically.

    So, your bragging on making a cut above your min. requirement in a high income area? LMAO, a joke. That's no achievement. It's luck by circumstance and location only.

    Doesn't matter though: Your company FELL ON ITS FACE, & you were one of its mgt. team? Please... yes kids, you TOO can't HELP but FAIL with the RobertM "mgt. plan" (lol, where 74% of ZERO = 0, the main formula concerned here).

    So, you want to know why I am doing this?

    I looked at your post history this week. I saw that You trolled others here this week, in fact, in the past couple days.

    (Seems you can dish it out but you cannot take it in return... you like? Think twice before you troll others boy. We can troll you back, and make you look quite stupid, easily. Especially someone who claims he's been around computers professionally for 20 or more years and all he has managed is to be a mere TECH!)

    1. Re:Yes, I do know "how that works" (U twist stats) by RobertM1968 · · Score: 1
      You dont understand profit, or CompUSA.
      (1) expenses are the same (except our portion of rent, which is MORE expensive).
      (2) that includes parts, labor etc
      (3) pay rates were the same in all stores
      (4) It wasn't on Long Island. Bad guess. Irrelevant anyway
      (5) Profit is: labor and parts markup income minus expenses. Location changes none of that. I never said we made more or less than a certain store. I said our profit percent, as in MARGIN was 74%.

      Now, let me help you with that. If a shop makes $7400 out of $10,000, then they had a 74% net of gross. If they made $740,000 out of a MILLION dollars, it's STILL 74%.

      Got it?

      BTW, visiting my links and stalking me here isn't smart.

  68. RobertM formula 4 FAILURE: 74% of ZERO = 0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't understand ECONOMICS. Please - Don't try to b.s. us either, I saw your profile. You live on Long Island, correct?

    You must work there also. Funny how you TRY to "fool us" on that account RobertM. Everyone knows that Long Island has a STRONG & wealthy client base in customers.

    Still:

    The TRUE "bottom-line" here, no matter WHAT you say though, is this (your "robertm formula for failure", lmao): 74% of ZERO = 0 and your company in CompUSA, of whom you were a mgt. person for ALLEGEDLY (you have no proof)? FOLDED, period. Fine leadership, such as yours, lol, does it and everytime!

    As far as trolling though, RobertM? I saw your posts this week, you trolled others and got shot down for it. I am only letting YOU wear the shoe of the one being trolled this time. You like? How's it feel, RobertM??

    Still, the absolutely funniest part is that after your ALLEGED 20 yrs. around computers, the best you could manage was being a TECHIE at CompUSA? LOL, please.

    1. Re:RobertM formula 4 FAILURE: 74% of ZERO = 0 by RobertM1968 · · Score: 1

      Shot down? I've got excellent karma, and virtually all my posts are modded 2-5. And no, White Plains, #537. And plenty of proof. About a lot of things. See you soon.

  69. Bottom-line is CompUSA FOLDED by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The TRUE "bottom-line" here, no matter WHAT you say though, is this (your "robertm formula for failure", lmao): 74% of ZERO = 0 and your company in CompUSA, of whom you were a mgt. person for ALLEGEDLY (you have no proof)? FOLDED, period.

    ("Fine leadership" (not), such as yours, lol, does it and everytime!)

    As far as trolling though, RobertM?

    I saw your posts this week, you trolled others and got shot down for it and, on the same grounds I am using now: Your job was a failure, and you, with allegedly 20 or more years around computers and just a techie at CompUSA? Please.

    (I am only letting YOU wear the shoe of the one being trolled this time. You like? How's it feel, RobertM??)

    Still, the absolutely funniest part is that after your ALLEGED 20 yrs. around computers, the best you could manage was being a TECHIE at CompUSA?

    LOL, please.