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Canadian Music Industry Copyright Class Action Settled

limber writes "The largest Canadian copyright class action suit has been settled for $50 million. The offenders? The four labels comprising the Canadian Recording Industry Association — EMI, Sony Music, Universal Music, and Warner Music. Ahem." The terms of the settlement are a compromise — anyone with works on the pending list can receive compensation while the music industry is absolved of further liability. The two major Canadian licensing agencies (CMRRA and SODRAC) will be tasked with improving the licensing process to prevent future abuse.

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  1. Good luck with that. by Hatta · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The CRIA has had years to pay these artists. Why would they start now?

    Also notice how this is less than 1% of what the CRIA actually owes its artists. Settlements like this only encourage them to keep stiffing their artists.

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  2. Not all good... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

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    The two major Canadian licensing agencies (CMRRA and SODRAC) will be tasked with improving the licensing process to prevent future abuse.

    Why do I get the feeling that means, instead of "the CMRRA and SODRAC will ensure the music industry doesn't make this mistake again", as I'm sure they'd like us to believe, that actually equates to "the CMRRA and SODRAC will ensure stricter copyright legislation so that the music industry has an easier time of controlling things and screwing over people"?... Why do I get the feeling the music industry actually won and the people of Canada got screwed?...

  3. So... by Ecuador · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So, for willfully and illegally selling 300,000 works, the recording companies paid just $50 million, or $166 per song. And careful, that is per song, NOT per copy! So they are most likely giving a fraction of their illegally gotten gains - forget about any punitive damages, they probably even get to keep a lot of the stolen money!
    Next time you are sharing a song online, make sure a) you make money of it b) you are a big corp.

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    1. Re:So... by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      This is news to you?
      If you commit a crime always go big. If your mom and pop shop dumps waste in the river you are going to jail, if you are union carbide all of Bhopal India can be your waste dump.

    2. Re:So... by dstyle5 · · Score: 2

      I wonder if they will "pay" them in iTunes credits and free CDs like every other company that settles in class actions and pays with products instead of money. Or being a Canadian settlement perhaps the terms were Tim Horton's gift cards and Canadian Tire money.

    3. Re:So... by Jason+Levine · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not so much A as it is B. It would have been interesting had the damages been assessed similar to the Jamie Thomas verdict ($80,000 per song). $80,000 * 300,000 = $24 billion. I'd have loved to have seen them squirm over having to pay a $24 billion judgement against them and see them crying about how unfair it was and how it would bankrupt them. Granted, there wouldn't be any cognitive dissonance to burst. They really do think that infringement by the public should be punished by huge fines (and, I'm sure they'd love to add in, jail terms) while infringement by them should be punished by a vicious finger shaking and a fine not to exceed ten percent of the profits they made off of the infringement.

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    4. Re:So... by Solandri · · Score: 4, Informative

      Comparison to:

      Limewire settlement: $10,808 per song, 65x more. 300,000 infringements -> $3.24 billion
      Joel Tenenbaum: $22,500 per song, 135x more. 300,000 infringements -> $6.75 billion
      Jammie Thomas-Rasset 2010: $62,500 per song, 375x more. 300,000 infringements -> $18.75 billion

      The scales of justice seem badly in need of calibration.

  4. Re:I hope... by mini+me · · Score: 2

    What about Nickleback? Oh wait, that just reenforces your point.

  5. Love this ... by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The record companies commit wholesale copyright infringement, and take the stance they should be allowed to do it and will settle the costs later.

    The rest of us download a fucking Brittany Spears song and they want to sue us for eleventy trillion dollars.

    I think it's time to start feeding recording executives to wild dogs -- they want draconian laws to make sure we can't do anything, but they just walk around them and pretend they didn't do anything wrong. Arrogant bastards.

    I've said it before, if they keep extending this "copyright levy" to everything under the sun, I'm going to start pirating on a large scale. I'm already paying for it, I might as well get my money's worth.

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    1. Re:Love this ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      The rest of us download a fucking Brittany Spears song and they want to sue us for eleventy trillion dollars.

      To be fair, you need to be punished for downloading Britney Spears. And for spelling her name wrong.

      And I need to be punished for knowing you spelled it wrong...

    2. Re:Love this ... by jd2112 · · Score: 2

      The rest of us download a fucking Brittany Spears song and they want to sue us for eleventy trillion dollars.

      Isn't listening to Brittney Spears punishment enough?

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    3. Re:Love this ... by H0p313ss · · Score: 4, Funny

      Since this is a story about a Canadian lawsuit, by Canadian Content rules since this joke should be about Celene Dion or Avril Lavigne.

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    4. Re:Love this ... by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

      That's my stance whenever they make noise about bringing the "mandatory copyright fees" to the US for everything (especially ISP bills). I don't pirate music, but if I'm going to be charged $5 a month in "just in case you are a copyright pirate" fees, I might as well become a copyright pirate. Those fees will create more pirates then they "cure" (for lack of a better word).

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    5. Re:Love this ... by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 2

      You forgot Canada's greatest recording artist.

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  6. The best counter-point by erroneus · · Score: 5, Informative

    Every time the **AAs get up in front of government or the public to claim "support for the artists" this situation and others need to be brought up plainly and clearly. I know that like many here, those arguments made me laugh, then made me sick and now make me angry. They are simply lying with impunity on this matter and need to be taken to account. I would love for them to be questioned before the US congress to see if we can get some truth and/or perjury from them. That won't and can't happen fairly, though, as long as they are major contributors to both big parties and to nearly every elected official in office today.

    1. Re:The best counter-point by Gnavpot · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Every time the **AAs get up in front of government or the public to claim "support for the artists" this situation and others need to be brought up plainly and clearly.

      The **AA are USA based, this is a story about Canada. Can't you tell the difference?

      From the summary:
      "The offenders? The four labels comprising the Canadian Recording Industry Association â" EMI, Sony Music, Universal Music, and Warner Music."

      Oh, yes. Those labels are certainly local Canadian companys with no connection to the US labels whatsoever.

  7. RIPPED OFF by commodore64_love · · Score: 4, Insightful

    50 million is a ripoff compared to the billions owed in backpay. That's equivalent to your boss saying, "I'll pay your $50 an hour," waiting years for your paycheck, and then he hands you a measly $5 an hour and says "Oops sorry." I would not have accepted it.

    Worse - Since there are lawyers involved, the 50 million will probably shrink to 20 million that has to be distributed amongst the ~1 million singers owed money.

    And these nonpaying a-holes in RIAA screw the singers, but they have the nerve to demand WE the customers pay for every single song we make a copy of - $1 if we download it, $1 if we burn it to a CD-R, $1 if we duplicate it across a 2nd PC, and so on.

    GRRRR.

    (I am a little bitter. Can you tell?)

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  8. Re:Orphan works by Hatta · · Score: 2

    If the artist can't be contacted, they can't file a lawsuit either. I don't think we're talking about orphan works here.

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  9. Re:I hope... by UncleTogie · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yeah, but they gave us Rush, too, so we can forgive 'em for Ms. Dion at least.

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  10. Re:All our base are belong to whom? by smelch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So I guess the thing to do would be to not sell works when it is unclear how to do so legally. Especially when you're constantly suing people for copyright infringement.

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  11. Re:I hope... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    "I don't think there is a Canadian recording artist that doesn't suck"

    just off the top of my head ...

    Neil Young
    Leonard Cohen
    Tragically Hip
    Loreena McKennitt
    KD Lang
    Ian Tyson
    Barenaked Ladies
    Tom Cochrane
    Minglewood Band
    Powder Blues
    Stampeders
    Chilliwack
    Anne Beverly Brown
    Tom Phillips
    Mae Moore
    Lynn Miles
    Buffy Sue St. Marie
    Stan Rogers
    Gordon Lightfoot
    etc.

  12. Re:Orphan works by codegen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Which is difficult if the artist cannot be contacted.

    Some of the artists on the list included Beyonce and Bruce Springsteen. Not exactly artists that are hard to find, that is if they bothered to try...

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  13. An open letter to Canada by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Funny

    Dear Canada,

          Please stop ending acronyms with an A. It's confusing. We don't know whether you're saying CMRReh, or whether its real name is CMRRA.

    And no, saying CMRRAeh doesn't help. There might, for all we know (not that we care - Ed) be a CMRRAA.

    Put it another way, how can you distinguish these guys from these guys?

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  14. So what are we missing? by Zelucifer · · Score: 2

    ~$6 billiion to ~$50 million, either there's a huge chunk of information missing, a large percentage of the represented class is going to opt out, or something is up. Obviously the vast majority of the class has no dire need for a short-changed payment, and can stand to sue individually, or as a group in order to get multiples of this settlement.

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  15. Re:I hope... by creat3d · · Score: 2

    He's had a very successful carreer. He obviously won many awards. He's still Barry Manilow.

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  16. Re:I hope... by RobertM1968 · · Score: 2

    You forgot Hannah Montana.

    I know I had until you brought her up. Thanks a lot!!!

  17. Re:Orphan works by gmhowell · · Score: 2

    Which is difficult if the artist cannot be contacted.

    Some of the artists on the list included Beyonce and Bruce Springsteen. Not exactly artists
    that are hard to find, that is if they bothered to try...

    The latter, at least, lives in New Jersey. They sent a courier with a cheque, but he turned back as he was afraid of getting a Snooki on him.

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