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AMD Opens Israeli R&D Center, Hints At ARM Link

siliconbits writes "We've learnt that AMD will open a new research and development center in Israel in the Tel-Aviv area, one which will be built around Graphic Remedy, the small startup they purchased in September 2010 and which specialises in development tools for heterogeneous computing and 3D graphics. Although the chip company hasn't published any press releases yet, the news is a clear indication that AMD sees its future (and its survival) in a more fragmented market where x86 is no longer the dominating platform."

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  1. It's backwards day by GameboyRMH · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now Israel will be providing ARMs to the US for a change!

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    1. Re:It's backwards day by erroneus · · Score: 1

      Okay, I was going to make some sort of reference to an ARMs race or like that but you beat me to it....

    2. Re:It's backwards day by cheeks5965 · · Score: 1

      zing!

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    3. Re:It's backwards day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yay more backdoors for the other part (the civilized peaceful part) of the world.

  2. Re:Yuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You can always buy any of the Palestinian designed CPUs out there.

  3. Israel has a lot more high tech than you expect by Reverand+Dave · · Score: 4, Informative

    I worked in a semiconductor fab for a long time and we used AMAT SEM machines that were manufactured in israel. The direct factory reps were all israeli as well. A lot of people think of israel as this war-torn middle east wasteland but that's just not the case. It's a very wealthy and prosperous country, even if they are expanding and displacing the native populace. They are bringing a lot of non-oil money into the region.

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    1. Re:Israel has a lot more high tech than you expect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If they are so wealthy, why are the US blowing billions every year up their arse?

    2. Re:Israel has a lot more high tech than you expect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I don't think anyone thinks of Israel a Middle Eastern wasteland. They think of it as a self-perpetuating military enterprise. The high-tech industry in Israel has formed as an addendum to the that military industry. All those missiles and guidance systems need microchips and IT support you know.

    3. Re:Israel has a lot more high tech than you expect by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      I worked in a semiconductor fab for a long time and we used AMAT SEM machines that were manufactured in israel. The direct factory reps were all israeli as well. A lot of people think of israel as this war-torn middle east wasteland but that's just not the case. It's a very wealthy and prosperous country, even if they are expanding and displacing the native populace. They are bringing a lot of non-oil money into the region.

      Don't forget, the reason that the French tried to block Israel's acceptance to CERN was to protect French tenders. It was nothing political, only business.

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    4. Re:Israel has a lot more high tech than you expect by Nadaka · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Because the restoration of the Jewish state of Israel is a prerequisite for the biblical apocalypse. And propping up Israel plays into the fevered dreams of the omnicidal fundamentalist christian death cult that makes up a significant minority of the the American voting public.

    5. Re:Israel has a lot more high tech than you expect by Reverand+Dave · · Score: 1, Funny

      Because the restoration of the Jewish state of Israel is a prerequisite for the biblical apocalypse. And propping up Israel plays into the fevered dreams of the omnicidal fundamentalist christian death cult that makes up a significant majority of the the American voting public.

      There fixed that for you.

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    6. Re:Israel has a lot more high tech than you expect by the+linux+geek · · Score: 2

      US aid to Israel is mostly spent in the US. Think of it as indirect job-creation money, just like most of the defense budget.

    7. Re:Israel has a lot more high tech than you expect by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      It's not like they have any choice: Israel has neither natural resources nor appreciable arable land, apart from the one that was "stolen" from the desert and the marshlands. In such situation they had to rely on their most obvious resource - human creativity.

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    8. Re:Israel has a lot more high tech than you expect by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      That does not create job anymore than breaking windows. If you really want most bang for your buck, just give the money directly to poor folks. They will spend it instantly.

    9. Re:Israel has a lot more high tech than you expect by Monchanger · · Score: 1

      Nope. The real death cult crazies are a minority as Nadaka said. But they work together with the abortion crazies and the gay crazies and the evolution crazies and the global warming crazies and the gun crazies and so on and so on and so on. For any of these groups to point out how crazy another is would bring about their own downfall, so they play together nicely.

      It's not an insignificant minority, but it's nowhere near a majority.

    10. Re:Israel has a lot more high tech than you expect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's not like they have any choice: Israel has neither natural resources

      They had an enormous natural gas find last year:

      http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/31/world/middleeast/31leviathan.html

    11. Re:Israel has a lot more high tech than you expect by Reverand+Dave · · Score: 1

      At what point does one move from sleeping with the enemy to actually one of being them?

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    12. Re:Israel has a lot more high tech than you expect by Monchanger · · Score: 2

      You don't seem to understand Israel or the broken window fallacy.

      Israel has real enemies who have been trying to invade them since independence. They will develop those arms, regardless of US support. This isn't wasteful spending, it's actually less wasteful than if they had to perform the R&D themselves, rather than purchase already-developed American goods. The US isn't encouraging Israel to buy stuff it wouldn't otherwise tax its citizens to obtain.

      Argue about whether or not the US should support Israel if you must, but please try not to spread your ignorance.

    13. Re:Israel has a lot more high tech than you expect by Monchanger · · Score: 1

      I don't think any of those right-wing groups considers the others an enemy. They're driven by different agendas which don't necessarily conflict (thought they do conflict with their crazy counterparts on the left). On the contrary, they all contributed to the redefining of "liberal" as a bad word which they use to distract from their own radical message. And as the saying goes: "the enemy of my enemy...".

      Jesus won't take away your guns (when he brings the world to a fiery end), but those PETA commie bastards will.

    14. Re:Israel has a lot more high tech than you expect by dave562 · · Score: 1

      You need to do some research about the realities of Israel's geopolitical situation.

      http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20110530-israels-borders-and-national-security?utm_source=GWeekly&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=110531&utm_content=readmore&elq=6521bd09197a40ca98499beb42c07023

      Israel can't develop its own arms and it NEEDS US support to maintain it's current geography and military plans.

    15. Re:Israel has a lot more high tech than you expect by tyrione · · Score: 1

      I worked in a semiconductor fab for a long time and we used AMAT SEM machines that were manufactured in israel. The direct factory reps were all israeli as well. A lot of people think of israel as this war-torn middle east wasteland but that's just not the case. It's a very wealthy and prosperous country, even if they are expanding and displacing the native populace. They are bringing a lot of non-oil money into the region.

      There wealth is directly tied to the US subsidies and US Corporations who expanded overseas to avoid a 35% tax owed back in the States.

    16. Re:Israel has a lot more high tech than you expect by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Israel would be buying that stuff anyway. The options are not buy from the USA or develop their own, they can't afford to develop their own. For the same reason the EU shares the Eurofighter.

      You seem to not understand the broken window fallacy. This is not useful spending for us, it is exactly like breaking windows for jobs.

    17. Re:Israel has a lot more high tech than you expect by Reverand+Dave · · Score: 1

      The fact remains that a lot of high tech manufacturing and R&D goes on in israel whether or not the tech originated there (which as you aptly pointed out it doesn't) the manufacturing money and R&D dollars get spent there.

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    18. Re:Israel has a lot more high tech than you expect by superwiz · · Score: 2

      US "foreign aid" to Israel is less than 5% of Israel's govt budget (not of GDP, but of govt budget!!!). Most of it consists of contractual obligations which were established as a result of the peace agreement negotiated by Carter. It might take some searching, but you can find the English version of their budget online. I did this during one of these exchanges a few years back.

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    19. Re:Israel has a lot more high tech than you expect by superwiz · · Score: 1

      No more than NASA is breaking windows. Producing cutting edge equipment (military or even space exploration) provides incentives for cutting edge research which finds applications in civilian uses later on.

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    20. Re:Israel has a lot more high tech than you expect by superwiz · · Score: 1

      Israel has higher tax rates than the US.

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    21. Re:Israel has a lot more high tech than you expect by superwiz · · Score: 1

      There is a difference between spending to increase consumption and spending to increase expertise. Cutting edge military spending produces research which finds civilian uses later on.

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    22. Re:Israel has a lot more high tech than you expect by NightFears · · Score: 1

      Yeah right. Just like your mom's cooking is a byproduct of the need to feed US army. All those marines and pilots need to eat you know.

    23. Re:Israel has a lot more high tech than you expect by Monchanger · · Score: 1

      The fallacy transcends your petty politics. It's about net economic loss masked as gain, not about who gains and who loses.

      You are exactly like a lobotomized apricot.

  4. Re:Yuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    You can always buy any of the Palestinian designed CPUs out there.

    Thanks, but I'll pass. I've heard the Palestinian CPUs have a tendency to overheat and blow themselves up, typically damaging other hardware components around them.

  5. Re:Yuck by LighterShadeOfBlack · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So you're fine buying from tech companies with Chinese factories (ie. pretty much all of them) but an Israeli R&D lab is unacceptable? I don't see the distinction.

    Don't kid youself. None of those silicon-holding boxes you own were knitted by unicorns from a child's laughter.

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  6. Re:Yuck by h4rr4r · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe if a person considers Collective Punishment worse than low wages and unsafe working conditions it make sense. The latter seems pretty bad, but the former is a war crime.

    Personally it all sounds pretty bad, and the other sides in the Isaeli-Arab conflicts aren't any better. I wish we could do without all of them.

  7. OpenCL, not ARM Architecture by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Both AMD and ARM are pushing OpenCL in their GPUs. AMD is betting heavily on GPGPU, ARM has always been interested in offloading work to DSPs and suchlike in SoCs. This is nothing to do with AMD designing ARM chips in a post-x86 future, it's about both AMD and ARM emphasising GPU power over CPU power. AMD, because their GPUs are much faster than Intel's, and ARM because Atom (which loses quite badly on performance per Watt already) has no advantage over an ARM core in terms of raw performance if anything CPU-intensive is being offloaded to the GPU.

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  8. Re:Oh well by cheeks5965 · · Score: 2
    I don't get it. Israel is generally considered a country in the middle east, not a part of South Africa from 20 years ago. The Oracle says:

    Apartheid was a political system in South Africa, which was in use in the 20th century, mainly between the 1940s and the 1980s. In the system, the people of South Africa were divided by their race. Even though black people were the majority in the country, a small number of white people ruled them and held most political offices. There were laws that kept up the racial separation. The system of apartheid in South Africa was banned in 1994.

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  9. Ah. by slasho81 · · Score: 2

    This explains the recruiting frenzy that Intel Israel has been in for last few weeks. They're drying up the employee market.

  10. Re:Yuck by blind+biker · · Score: 1

    Maybe I can put your mind to rest.

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  11. Re:Oh well by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

    There are so many half-truths, distortions and lies in what you hypothesise, that it is unpossible to formulate a refutation.

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  12. Re:Yuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    iPads are actually knitted from children's laughter; the laughter is harvested in vast children farms on mainland China. Those children will never laugh again!

  13. Re:Fuck that by dskoll · · Score: 1

    Israel is controlled by global ennemies of humanity, just like the US congress, german or french government

    Oops. I hope your Tin Foil Hat was not made in Israel... otherwise, you're doomed.....

  14. Re:Israel research talent by derGoldstein · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I was looking over the comments to see if anyone was aware of this.

    You're going to "shun" AMD products because they now have R&D facilities in Israel? If you avoided every product developed in Israel, you'd have almost nothing to "compute" with. It's not just semiconductor companies either -- Microsoft and Google have large setups in Israel as well. Facebook bought Snaptu a few months ago.

    The Israeli economy is built around the tech sector.
    Oh, and I'm Israeli, so don't forget to post some charming apartheid reply to this comment.

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  15. Re:Oh well by cheeks5965 · · Score: 1
    But South African apartheid applied to its own citizens. Israel probably doesn't consider the people of gaza / west bank to be israeli citizens. The people probably wouldn't consider it either!

    So it's not like israel has jewish beaches and arab beaches. The comparison doesn't seem particularly apt to me.

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  16. Re:Oh well by derGoldstein · · Score: 5, Informative

    How can you be a "democracy" when you deny full status to non-Jews?

    Ignorance is far too rampant for me to make a dent, but I'll try:
    - Arab population in Israel: 1,271,000 (about 20% of the population)
    - 84.9% of Israeli Arabs stated that Israel has a right to exist as an independent state
    - 77% would rather live in Israel as Israeli citizens than in any other country in the world
    There are 14 arab members of parliament in the Israeli Knesset (out of 120 members total)

    Feel free to check the stats here. I'm Israeli and I work with arabs every day, in the tech sector. They send their children to Israeli schools, and vote for parliament like any other citizen. The only major difference is that they don't have to serve in the IDF unless they want to.

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  17. Re:Oh well by omfgnosis · · Score: 2

    South African apartheid didn't apply to "its own citizens", it applied to a white elite ruling over a (set of) black nation(s); it implemented "sovereignty" for the black South Africans under terms like "homelands" and "bantustans". And while the Palestinians of Gaza and the West Bank are not Israeli citizens, they are a population Israel has ruled over since 1967, and has effectively permanent sovereignty over. The whole of Palestine has been wholly Israel for 44 years, and given Israeli politics and US support, will continue to do so indefinitely. Israel can't have both rule over the Palestinians and independence from them.

    And while Israel doesn't have "Jewish beaches and Arab beaches", it has "Israeli roads and Palestinian 'roads'", and a whole set of separate laws that apply differently to Jews than to Palestinians (whether Israeli citizens or not). The most obvious case is the fact that Palestinians are not permitted to emigrate to Israel (while Jews are, by law, guaranteed that right) and are excluded from buying most land held in public trust. And while building permits are ostensibly not segregated, denials of permits are almost exclusively given to Palestinians.

    This is a very small sliver of a very long list.

  18. Re:Fuck that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Do you really think a half-ass boycott is going to end the Siege of Gaza?

    Saying they're run by criminals so we should boycott them is like saying that we should freeze the Palestinian Authority's accounts because they elected Hamas. Collective punishment is a delicate issue.

    This move by AMD is nothing other than an attempt to take advantage of the high levels of education in Israel (which, as has been commented on upthread, is a result of American aid and German reparations).

  19. Re:Oh well by cheeks5965 · · Score: 1

    but haven't you heard of the holocaust? Jews need a homeland.

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  20. Re:Yuck by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

    Great the options are war crimes or war crimes.

    Is there a reason these people are such assholes?
    I have never said, "you know what lets go be total assholes to the neighbors." I have never though of stealing his house or his car.

  21. Re:Israel research talent by hairyfeet · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    And if this doesn't show the fix is in and serious money and or bribes is changing hands I don't know what does. I mean what other reason would a corp go "Hey, you know that place with suicide bombers and rockets raining down from the sky? Yeah lets build our new factory RIGHT THERE". The fact that otherwise sane companies are building in the middle of a warzone smells like some AIPAC/ US government meddling to me. I mean what moron builds in the middle of a place that has been pretty much in perpetual conflict for nearly 60 years?

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  22. Re:Oh well by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

    Can an "Arab" marry a Jew?

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  23. Re:Israel research talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Have you ever been there? No? I guess that's why you're an expert on it now.

    First, you imagine Israel as a post-apocalyptic wasteland with daily suicide bombings. Then you build a whole fantasy world based on that imagined reality. Then you call other people morons.

    You should read this: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irony

  24. Re:Oh well by Alimony+Pakhdan · · Score: 1

    This is what happens when education budgets are cut.

  25. Re:Oh well by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

    Is an "Arab" free to purchase and reside in any property, in any location of his choice?

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  26. Re:Oh well by Alimony+Pakhdan · · Score: 1

    This is the correct responce to the ill informed claims of the folks who have nothing better to do than spread heate.

  27. Re:Israel research talent by Alimony+Pakhdan · · Score: 1

    Just to help you out with that ZOG theory, Macy's is having a 50% off sale on tin foil hats.

  28. Re:Oh well by captain_sweatpants · · Score: 1

    The statistics you quote are probably biased by the fact that most arabs living in Israel would be afraid of answering those questions truthfully for fear of persecution. Also it shouldn't be surprising that muslims want to live in their holy cities. A religious state implies institutionalised prejudice. Israel is and always will be fundamentally flawed.

  29. Re:Oh well by omfgnosis · · Score: 1

    Whoever moderated this "troll", assuming you know what "troll" means, I am impressed with your faith in the mental capacities of the people I'm apparently "trolling".

  30. Re:Oh well by omfgnosis · · Score: 1

    Oh, I get it. Good job.

    For what it's worth, since I've unwittingly done "cheeks'" propaganda job for them, I'll go ahead and address the Holocaust too.

    Holocaust: happened.
    Committed: not by Palestinians, who bear no responsibility to shoulder the burden of making wrongs right.
    Homeland: probably a good idea, especially in the context of the Holocaust.
    "Jewish state": not the same thing as a homeland.
    "Jewish state" in Palestine: produced, inevitably, ethnic cleansing, dispossession, and the colonial relationship that will make more ethnic cleansing and dispossession a constant and ongoing inevitability.

    The Holocaust is a good defense of a Jewish safe-haven; it's an awful defense of an ethno-religious settler-colonial state created to engage in conquest.

  31. Re:Oh well by Kilrah_il · · Score: 1

    Yes, I personally know of several such cases. It's not common, but it's not illegal.

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  32. Re:Oh well by Kilrah_il · · Score: 1

    Legally? Yes. Of course, if an Arab would try to buy a house in the middle of an orthodox neighborhood, it will be frowned upon, but such will be the case if I, a Jewish person, will buy a house in the middle of an Arab village.

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  33. Re:Oh well by Kilrah_il · · Score: 1

    Israel is not a country where people are persecuted for speaking their mind. If you would just look a couple of weeks back, many Arab citizens protested around the country to remember the Nakba. Do most of the Jewish Israelis agree with them? No. Did anyone interfere with their right for peaceful assembly? Not in the least. In places where the assemblies became violent, only there did the police intervene.

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  34. i'm ok with it by nonicknameavailable · · Score: 1

    as long as they don't have a factory on occupied land

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  35. Re:Oh well by captain_sweatpants · · Score: 1

    So they don't crush peaceful protests, that hardly makes them a shining example of democracy. I bet the police's definition of 'peaceful' and 'appropriate force' tends to change depending on who is protesting. If a Jewish state is not going to treat Jews and 'Non-Jews' differently then what is the point of it exactly?

  36. Re:Oh well by Kilrah_il · · Score: 1

    The point of a Jewish state is that for the first time in modern history, the Jewish people will have a place they are not discriminated against. The Jewish state is not meant to be a place where we discriminate others. Granted, things are not perfect, and I agree that it is easier being Jewish in Israel than Arab, but you can just pick any one of Israel's neighbors to see places where the government treats strangers, women and sometimes even its own citizens with a rough hand.
    It's always funny when every small slip-up by Israel is covered and shown as a proof to the inhumanity of the Jewish state, when most (if not all) of the Arab states practice human-rights violation on a daily, if not hourly, basis; and with much worse offences.

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  37. Re:Oh well by captain_sweatpants · · Score: 1

    The point of a Jewish state is that for the first time in modern history, the Jewish people will have a place they are not discriminated against.

    That's just wrong. Jews can live quite happily in the US, UK, most of Europe, Canada, Australia, NZ, etc: places where everybody is protected equally. Also they could have created Israel somewhere else. Jews, Christians and Muslims all have equally valid claims to 'belonging' there.

    The Jewish state is not meant to be a place where we discriminate others.

    But that precisely what it must become! You cannot represent all groups equally when you promise to protect one of them above all.

    Granted, things are not perfect, and I agree that it is easier being Jewish in Israel than Arab, but you can just pick any one of Israel's neighbors to see places where the government treats strangers, women and sometimes even its own citizens with a rough hand.

    Sure by most standards Israel is better than most of it's neighbours, but that's not saying much. Countries run by dictators are a poor benchmark.

    It's always funny when every small slip-up by Israel is covered and shown as a proof to the inhumanity of the Jewish state, when most (if not all) of the Arab states practice human-rights violation on a daily, if not hourly, basis; and with much worse offences.

    As above. I'd argue Israeli's and Arabs aren't much different in their US versus THEM attitudes, though the Israeli's are a bit more sophisticated in how they go about it. There really is no reason for Israel to not join the rest of the civilised world and simply bestow equal rights for all. If the Jews are being discriminated against, the perpetrators get taken to court and/or go to jail. Jews are the majority, what do they have to fear?