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New Superbug Strain Found In Cows and People

sciencehabit writes "A novel form of deadly drug-resistant bacteria that hides from a standard test has turned up in Europe. Researchers found the so-called MRSA strain in both dairy cows and humans in the United Kingdom, suggesting that it might be passed from dairies to the general population. But before you toss your milk, don't panic: The superbug isn't a concern in pasteurized dairy products."

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  1. We all know what happens when stories like this by gcnaddict · · Score: 3, Insightful
    break.

    IT SPREADS FROM MILK TO PEOPLE? DUMP ALL MILK.

    It doesn't even matter if it's pasteurized. How many people in the general population even know what pasteurization means? Some food purists only know that the process makes food taste a little different, even if it's healthier as a result.

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    1. Re:We all know what happens when stories like this by Dachannien · · Score: 5, Funny

      How many people in the general population even know what pasteurization means?

      It clearly refers to free-range milk. You know, letting it wander around in the pasture all day. Pasteurization.

      Thanks, I'll be here all week.

    2. Re:We all know what happens when stories like this by The+Wooden+Badger · · Score: 1

      It's even funnier because it is so ironic.

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    3. Re:We all know what happens when stories like this by FooAtWFU · · Score: 0

      Better than the folks around here* who specifically seek out unpasteurized "raw milk" like it's some sort of magic formula and feed it to infants. (This is why there are liability concerns and why various state legislatures feel a need to prohibit the sale of raw milk.)

      Don't you love pseudo-religious "environmentalism"?**

      (*people near San Francisco, and especially Marin County to the north.)(** a brand of new-age spirituality also associated with the likes of homeopathy. as opposed to, you know, real environmentalism, which is a movement/philosophy/idea/thingy with some actual merit)

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    4. Re:We all know what happens when stories like this by Uhyve · · Score: 1

      (In case you didn’t know: Milk from a healthy normal cow in a species-appropriate environment doesn't have any unhealthy germs. That just happens if you feed them with animal meal, and let them stand in their own shit [which they hate], so that their udders become dirty, and their immune system falls apart. That's also the reason they give them so much antibiotics. It's disgusting. Pure unscrupulousness and greed.)

      So you're saying that cows are sterile unless you make them stand in shit?

    5. Re:We all know what happens when stories like this by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Ahhh, it's that whole bio-fad, then?

      Well, thanks for the info, I'll go for pasteurized then. Thank god you informed me so I know what milk I can still drink! Can you imagine, just lately I've seen a label on milk about it being "homogenized", and I don't want homo genes in my food!

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    6. Re:We all know what happens when stories like this by erroneus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This guy does not need to be marked as troll. He's right. People don't know what pasteurization is. Ask someone. And many "food purists" think raw milk is better. (It is under extremely controlled situations and if your immune system is capable of handling 'variations' as they occur! hint: many people are so clean that a common cold is a a pygmy disaster waiting to happen to them)

      And yes, he is also correct in pointing out that people over-react wildly and stupidly. Maybe not the slashdot crowd, but most definitely the fox-news crowd among others.

    7. Re:We all know what happens when stories like this by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Most (if not all) germs in raw milk don't come from inside the cow, they colonise the milk in the chain between cow and human. Also it's well known that milk can trigger asthma in some people, it has nothing to do with "heated animal protiens" or the immune system of cows, it's simply an allergic reaction to milk.

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    8. Re:We all know what happens when stories like this by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Informative

      Unless you're two days old that's, bullshit. All protein is broken down into amino acid chains before absorption.

      If that were true, then scrapie, BSE (mad cow disease), and other transmissible encephalopathies would not exist.

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    9. Re:We all know what happens when stories like this by Gerzel · · Score: 2

      Why? Because cows have those germs naturally as part of their GI tract. Germs that in large quantities are harmful to humans. Food poisoning from bad milk has been a problem recorded well back into the middle ages and earlier. It has been seen on many different types of farms not just factory farms and from free range cattle and is well studied and known by science.

      Your friend has a milk allergy. It's possible that different forms of milk won't aggrevate it as much, but likewise some people will have a horrid milk allergy to a protein in raw milk, but no allergy to those in heat treated milk.

      If it was heated animal proteins then why doesn't the steak and other meats bother him? What is so special about milk proteins?

      As for the body used undigested proteins...no it doesn't. Your gut is hellishly low pH, no protein is going to survive that pepsin and HCL hellstorm without alteration.

    10. Re:We all know what happens when stories like this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many people in the general population even know what pasteurization means?

      It clearly refers to free-range milk. You know, letting it wander around in the pasture all day. Pasteurization.

      Thanks, I'll be here all week.

      You my friend are a funny moFro. ;D
      Thanks for the laugh!

    11. Re:We all know what happens when stories like this by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You don't even see the problem in your post, because it is so ingrained into our society.

      Your first sentence is fine. Make fun of those people all you want. It is your second (perens) is where the problem is. WHY is there liability for RAW milk, in such a way that a STATE feels like it needs to regulate it by laws? You realize that this line of thinking is why we call it the "Nanny State", right?

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    12. Re:We all know what happens when stories like this by BlackBloq · · Score: 1

      I sell raw cheese but am personally vegan!@
      Kinda funny! But not really.

    13. Re:We all know what happens when stories like this by BlackBloq · · Score: 1

      You know this how? What an ill informed opinion. As a grocery manager I can tell you people do know what it is and ask about it all the time. There is raw cheese legal to sell as I do at my store. Sign under it says "This product is made from RAW milk". So it sells more. There is a raw milk 'movement' (think bowels). They have to buy direct from farmers and it's a legal grey area. They seem kinda nuts to me though. Yes they really do know what pasteurization is. A LOT of ppl look for raw juice to keep the enzymes alive and all that. Buy a juicer nimwits!

    14. Re:We all know what happens when stories like this by Zorpheus · · Score: 1

      Are you suggesting that every harmful substance can be sold in the supermarket? I prefer that I can go shopping and that I can just try whatever looks good, without needing to be worried that one of these things is a big health risk.

    15. Re:We all know what happens when stories like this by itsenrique · · Score: 1

      OK, so some nutjobs thinks pasteurized *insert whatever* is bad for you somehow (as opposed to just tasting different and maybe having a little more in the way of vitamins/enzymes/whatever). BUT, your missing a point here, it's a personal freedom thing. If I want to buy milk that hasn't been pasteurized for the taste (btw, it does taste very different, many say better), knowing full well the risks (up to and including death, though usually NOT death), why the hell shouldn't I be able to. I can get raw meat, undercooked seafood, etc. Its basically the same risk, so why not milk? Just slap that undercooked food hazard warning label on the container. So.... most states have made the sale of raw milk completely illegal, or restricted to a small number of dairies people drive hours to get to. Por Que? Even if you think raw foodists are nutters (many are I think), it comes down to how much government you want in your life (ahhh, wheres the tea "party" when you need them). First its your drugs, then its your supplements, then its the way you can buy your food. I know theres a lot of charlatanry out there, but hey, buyer beware and a sucker being born every minute is just the way of the world.

    16. Re:We all know what happens when stories like this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's also the reason they give them so much antibiotics.

      NO they DON'T. My gosh people. It happens to be ILLEAL to sell any milk in the United States with ANY measurable amount of antibiotics in it and has been for a long time. Any antibiotics used in a cow also comes out of in her milk, so dairy farmers actually go to great lengths to keep dairy cows comfortable, clean, and healthy. If a cow does require antibiotics, they have to both spend money on said antibiotics AND lose money by pouring the milk down the drain, not to mention the extra time it takes to care for a sick cow.

    17. Re:We all know what happens when stories like this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not everyone is a retard.

    18. Re:We all know what happens when stories like this by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      DiHydrogenMonoxide is deadly if mishandled, it should be regulated. It is also used in Torture, which means we should ban it completely.

      You can drink Pasteurized milk, and nobody is stopping you.You've made the mistake of confusing having a choice as preventing you from making it.

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    19. Re:We all know what happens when stories like this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      break.

      IT SPREADS FROM MILK TO PEOPLE? DUMP ALL MILK.

      It doesn't even matter if it's pasteurized. How many people in the general population even know what pasteurization means? Some food purists only know that the process makes food taste a little different, even if it's healthier as a result.

      Actually there's bit of a brou-ha-ha going on here in Canada about being raw milk. Seems that Canada is one of the few industrialized countries where selling unpasteurized milk is illegal; though you can of course drink it yourself for any animals you own, you can't sell it to others.

      The proponents of raw milk say that pasteurization kills off or destroys many beneficial things, and that it shouldn't be illegal. Health officials are of course against the idea.

      I guess this is an example for the pro-pasteurization crowd.

    20. Re:We all know what happens when stories like this by hawkinspeter · · Score: 1

      Almost, but not quite. It's free range because the cows can walk around past-your-eyes.

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    21. Re:We all know what happens when stories like this by hawkinspeter · · Score: 1

      Actually, the US allows an "acceptable" level of antibiotics in milk. Antibiotics are routinely added to feed as the cows grow larger when given a low level dose of antibiotics.

      Unfortunately, the over-use of antibiotics (in animal feed; washing up liquid; hand soap etc) allows pathogens to develop resistance to them which can lead to "superbug" strains.

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    22. Re:We all know what happens when stories like this by torgis · · Score: 1

      I find it, well, confusing, that you can be fined or jailed for selling milk directly from a cow. But cigarettes and alcohol are perfectly legal. The former could make you sick if mishandled, the latter two are known poisons and carcinogens and have been scientifically proven to be bad for you. If I'm legally allowed to poison myself with alcohol, I should also legally be allowed to (possibly) poison myself with raw milk. Nanny state indeed.

    23. Re:We all know what happens when stories like this by Samus · · Score: 1

      H2O is regulated. The government sets standards for its purity levels somewhat based on scientific studies. They set regulations on things like just how much arsenic in the water is safe to drink. I'm rather glad they don't take a Libertarian/Tea Party stance and leave it up to industry/big business to decide that for me. I for one am happy that for the most part I don't have to worry about my kids drinking tap water.

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    24. Re:We all know what happens when stories like this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no taste difference. One merely keeps better which is good since it has to make a trip through a bottling plant and wait in the grocery store before you get to drink it.

      If you want raw milk, raise your own cow or goats. At least then bacteria that's gotten in the milk won't have time to multiply in your milk if you drink it promptly.

    25. Re:We all know what happens when stories like this by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Whoosh.

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    26. Re:We all know what happens when stories like this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How did the modetrollrators manage to mod this down, even though it contains first-hand experience?
      Which I, for one, also know by myself, to be true. (I had a similar problem.)

      Ignorance much?

  2. US cheese by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good thing USDA doesn't allow unpasteurized cheese here.

    1. Re:US cheese by cvtan · · Score: 3, Informative

      I can buy unpasteurized milk (and maybe yogurt) at the local farmers market, but I think you are right about the cheese (and butter). FYI and off topic: Taste testers at America's Test Kitchen showed that organic milk has a taste inferior to "normal" milk because it has to be pasteurized at a higher temperature.

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    2. Re:US cheese by blueg3 · · Score: 2

      No, you can buy unpasteurized cheese in the US.

    3. Re:US cheese by CRobin · · Score: 2

      Good organic milks are actually pasteurized at a lower temperature, I can not find this taste test in their archive, but it appears the poster has made up his own reasoning. The reason that most organic milks taste different is the cows eat very different diets than their conventional counterparts. In fact with many organic milks the taste varies by season as the grasses/diet changes with the seasons. I would be willing to bet the taste testers didn't like the organic milk because it actually had flavor, in comparison to the bland over pasteurized conventional milk everyone has been accustomed to.

    4. Re:US cheese by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Good organic milks are actually pasteurized at a lower temperature...

      Maybe so, but all the organic milk you can buy around here is ultra-pasteurized (higher temperature). As for me, I buy the organic milk because I can buy it and not have to worry about it going bad before I use it. (Shelf life is typically five or six weeks.)

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    5. Re:US cheese by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Definitely not yoghurt because yoghurt from unpasteurized milk would leave you the whole day sitting on the pot trying to shit your guts out.

      In fact, even pasteurized milk is somewhat dangerous as yoghurt base, UHT is safer.

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    6. Re:US cheese by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would regular pasteurized milk be a problem as a yogurt base?

      You're lucky if you can even get UHT yogurt to set. Sure can't use it for any type of cheesemaking; it destroys the proteins. That stuff is crap, and it's incredibly frustrating that they don't have to label it. Only way you can find out if what you bought is UHT is when your "cheese" turns into 3 gallons of baby puke.

      Only way I can see regular pasteurization vs. UHT being an issue in yogurt is if you're using dirty utensils -- and if you're doing that, you've got no business trying to make any sort of dairy product.

    7. Re:US cheese by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Because normal pasteurisation doesn't kill all bacteria.

      UHT milk works just fine for yoghurt by the way. And at least in Germany it is labeled as H-Milch (H stands for "haltbare" - durable) and is sold unrefrigerated. I haven't done any cheesemaking, though, so I cannot speak about that.

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  3. Hides? I welcome our new bacterial overlords! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That must be one smart bacteria! I for one welcome our new bacterial overlords!

  4. "The superbug isn't a concern... by ridgecritter · · Score: 1

    "... in pasteurized dairy products."

    Right. As if the only route by which this organism could get to humans is through dairy products. Scenario: dairy worker, gets scratched and infected with superbug at work, sees doctor for treatment (unsuccessful), enters hospital for treatment, infection spreads, becomes one more nocosomial infection we have to deal with.

    1. Re:"The superbug isn't a concern... by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm pretty sure you may want to read the sentence that comes before that one. No one's saying it's not a concern, just that it doesn't survive the pasteurization process. Which makes sense, because pasteurization involves a great deal of heat, and the kind of microbes that infect the human body tend not to do well with extreme levels of heat.

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    2. Re:"The superbug isn't a concern... by ridgecritter · · Score: 1

      Well, fair enough and point taken. I misconstrued the quoted sentence as happytalk intended to minimize the hazards of a new MRSA strain and conflated it with my long-standing concerns with the near-universal use of antibiotics in raising animals in the meat and dairy industries.

    3. Re:"The superbug isn't a concern... by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

      In another world, that might be a fair and major concern, but considering that this is a piece of science journalism intended to notify the public about something bad, it's a very high priority to prevent mass panic. If the article sought to trivialize the threat posed by antibiotic abuse, it probably wouldn't use the word 'superbug,' which has become tightly connected with factory farming and hospital hypersterilization.

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  5. And there it is by erroneus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Not long ago, there was a story about a group suing the FDA to stop antibiotic use on cows.

    It has been known for a long time that the continuous use of antibiotics lead to the cultivation of "superbugs." And here we have it now.

    Will the FDA actually take notice on this issue now? We'll see I guess...

    1. Re:And there it is by Haedrian · · Score: 4, Interesting

      But think of the profit loss! You think this country was founded on the principles of taking care of future generations?

      Gimmie my quick buck and to hell with the future.

      Yes I'm being satirical but its pretty much how everything works. From superbugs to climate change to renewable resources to giving away liberties to fight the 'secret new enemy'

    2. Re:And there it is by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      It has been known for a long time that the continuous use of antibiotics lead to the cultivation of "superbugs." And here we have it now.

      Well what the hell do you expect? Idiots from marketing, to 'health' to government have spent the last 10 years have been telling people to use shit like *insert antibacterial* crap.

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    3. Re:And there it is by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      Thats funny, I dont think it was founded on either of those principals. I rather thought "freedom" and "restricted government" were the primary principles.

      But no, carry on, lots of regulation is exactly what the founders meant with the 10th amendment.

      (NB-- I actually think this might be a good place for regulation-- but to state that thats one of the founding principles is absurd)

    4. Re:And there it is by chooks · · Score: 1

      This is pretty old news. There are papers from 1980 that talk about chloramphenicol resistant (a really strong antibiotic) bug transmission from dairy farm to human. (An epidemic of resistant Salmonella in a nursery. Animal-to-human spread. Lyons RW, Samples CL, DeSilva HN, Ross KA, Julian EM, Checko PJ.JAMA. 1980 Feb 8;243(6):546-7.)

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    5. Re:And there it is by sjames · · Score: 1

      They're much too busy rubber stamping hair and penis pills and otherwise funneling profits into big tobacco and big pharma to concern themselves with such trivialities as human health.

    6. Re:And there it is by doccus · · Score: 1

      A bit too late, I'm afraid .. methinks the damage is done

    7. Re:And there it is by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Will the FDA actually take notice on this issue now? We'll see I guess...

      They HAVE taken notice. Their solution is to ban unpasteurized dairy products, going so far as to raid health food stores and Amish farmers.

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    8. Re:And there it is by Overzeetop · · Score: 2

      Have you read the biographies* of some of the founders? Many were upper class citizens who were merchant class and were not angry at "freedoms" lost, but rather the profits lost by the taxes imposed by the King. Freedom was a half-truth about not wanting someone else limiting their profits, and sounding good to the masses.

      *I have recently had to read/quiz my daughter on biographies she's reading for school. As I read through them, all I could think was - damn, these guy were really modern age Republicans, with little regard for anything but their business bottom line. Things change very little, save the names we give them.

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    9. Re:And there it is by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      Just because you disagree with their supposed motivations (and I will admit I am not qualified to speak to the founders motivations in detail), doesnt mean that their conclusions (restricted government, representation, checks and balances) were flawed.

      I would wonder, if one has so much trouble trusting large corporations with power, why would you want to turn around and grant so much more power to an even larger, more bureaucratic, and more entrenched federal government-- particularly when it has shown such a disinclination to ever ever give an inch of power back once gained? I mean, at least corporations tend to fail periodically; the government will be with us until a rather large upheaval unsettles it (and anyone looking forward to such an event doesnt have a clue).

    10. Re:And there it is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget about borrowing money to pay for social programs which we can't actually afford. That's also going to fuck over my children and their children, somehow.

  6. antibiotic resistance has already been solved by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I just posted on reddit under reddit/r/science because I got tired of reading news pieces like this. Antibiotic resistance has been taken care of by the use of bacteriophages. Basically phages are viruses for bacteria and they continually evolve with the ever evolving strains of bacteria. For each type of bacteria and the different strains there is a phage which will kill it.

    For more info please read my post: http://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/hr0gk/hey_redditrscience_just_so_you_all_knowwe_have/

    Now if we could just get big pharma behind these non-patentable viruses found in nature and we'd see wide spread use of them in the west...

    1. Re:antibiotic resistance has already been solved by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      so swallow a spider to swallow the fly? no thanks

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    2. Re:antibiotic resistance has already been solved by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Obligatory:

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      Lisa: But isn't that a bit short-sighted? What happens when we're overrun by lizards?
      Skinner: No problem. We simply release wave after wave of Chinese needle snakes. They'll wipe out the lizards.
      Lisa: But aren't the snakes even worse?
      Skinner: Yes, but we're prepared for that. We've lined up a fabulous type of gorilla that thrives on snake meat.
      Lisa: But then we're stuck with gorillas!
      Skinner: No, that's the beautiful part. When wintertime rolls around, the gorillas simply freeze to death. [edit]

    3. Re:antibiotic resistance has already been solved by Orangebeard · · Score: 2

      Bacteriophages have no ability to infect humans. In fact, they can only infect a specific kind of bacteria; it won't kill other bacteria. Which is really good because if it was so easy for viruses to jump from one species to another, we'd all be dead already. Phage literally means "to eat". Once all the bacteria are dead, their food will be gone and the bacteriophages will die off.

      Phages could be very useful as another line of defense against bacteria. I know if I was infected with antibiotic resistant bacteria and was going to die, having more options available would be more than welcome. Not only that but viruses in general are going to be very useful in the future from gene therapy (which might just cure HIV), to attacking cancer cells (talk about swallowing a spider what with chemo and radiation; viruses would be far more targeted and elegant).

    4. Re:antibiotic resistance has already been solved by sjames · · Score: 1

      More like swallow a slightly toxic fly to poison the spider.

  7. Evolving by Ceiynt · · Score: 1

    Do they really expect these things to never evolve? We feed them enough drugs for long enough, the survivors will pass on whatever it was that allowed them to survive to the next generation. Sooner or later, they have a whole colony that is immune to drug X and Y, we just need to find drug Z and AA, and in another 50-100 years, repeat. Sooner or later, we'll be able to go back to drug X and Y.

    1. Re:Evolving by RuiFerreira · · Score: 1

      It would be good, but what would be the reason for the descent of that colony to stop being immune to the previous drugs?

    2. Re:Evolving by jamesh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It would be good, but what would be the reason for the descent of that colony to stop being immune to the previous drugs?

      genetic bitrot

    3. Re:Evolving by tsotha · · Score: 4, Informative

      Because the mechanisms that allow a bacteria to survive exposure to a given antibiotic come at a cost. It's not the genes themselves that confer resistance - it's the expression of those genes. And the same process that introduced the resistance-conferring gene works to eliminate it if it's no longer needed.

      For example, there is a class of antibiotics that work by dissolving the bacterial cell wall. After repeated exposure germs evolve thicker cell walls, which makes this class of antibiotics less and less effective. But in its absence the thicker-walled bacteria version will be out-competed by its thinner-walled brethren, since thin walls are less resource intensive.

      For the most part the antibiotics we use are just synthetic versions of chemicals secreted by various organisms (bacteria and fungi, mostly). If bacteria could pass down cost-free resistance they'd already be immune to anything we could throw at them.

    4. Re:Evolving by HForN · · Score: 2

      The mutations are generally costly. Antibacterials, for example, target molecules that only bacteria have to have a minimal effect on humans, like how penicillin works on bacterial cell walls. Those molecules are originally there basically because it benefits them in some way. Since taking even a huge cost is better than dying, those that do away with what the antibacterial attacks would live and propagate. Naturally, once you stop using the antibacterial by switching to Z/AA, there's no benefit to living without the original molecule, but there is a heavy cost, so generations later it'll come back, letting us use X/Y again. The key is having enough time to make sure resistance is completely gone before going back to X/Y, otherwise it won't be long until they're completely resistant again.

    5. Re:Evolving by cavebison · · Score: 1

      it's the expression of those genes

      Can we finally all agree now that there's a limit to freedom of expression?

    6. Re:Evolving by hellop2 · · Score: 1

      *rimshot*

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  8. It's bigger than the FDA by cultiv8 · · Score: 1

    Unless I'm missing something, it's the widespread use of antibiotics in general, not just on cows, that leads to so-called "superbugs".

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    1. Re:It's bigger than the FDA by erroneus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hehe... no, you didn't miss anything. What you did do, however, is presume my statements were limited to bovine livestock. And I am speaking of the prophylactic use of antibiotics in the dairy industry, it's true, but I did not specify.

      The problem is clear, present, immediate and demonstrable. For the FDA to fail to act now would mean they are ignoring the facts as available to the world public. Even the US government which has long been a denier of climate change has eventually acknowledged it as fact.

    2. Re:It's bigger than the FDA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Casual googling gives me figures of 50% to 80% used as cattle growth promoters.

    3. Re:It's bigger than the FDA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty much.
      I don't use them unless it is an actual, full-on bad infection.

      That means for washing too.
      Boiling water + speed = death to everything bad besides things that even antibiotics cannot prevent.
      And extremophiles tend not to exist in normal conditions unless brought there.

      Drug abuse can be an innocent thing. But this is what they use to their advantage since most people don't have a clue about such things.
      Humans do it all the time without realising it. And it is one of the biggest reasons people are falling ill so much because their bodies are becoming weak to strains of infections because ABs have been filling in the role of the immune system.
      Most infections are considerably worse in later life than younger life. Sometimes even lethal.
      The more and more these are used and the more offspring these actions are passed on to, the weaker the species is going to end up and inevitably going to result in extinctions of mass numbers...
      This right here could well be the start of something huge for all we know. It should be monitored very, very closely.

    4. Re:It's bigger than the FDA by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      over use in general causes it, agribusiness makes over use of antibiotics a primary part of their operation in order to grow bigger fatter animals faster.

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    5. Re:It's bigger than the FDA by OFnow · · Score: 1

      ...agribusiness makes over use of antibiotics a primary part of their operation in order to grow bigger fatter animals faster.

      In the case of cows in feedlots, they feed'em antibiotics because corn makes cows sick, so they try to keep the cows healthy enough long enough to make feedlots profitable.

    6. Re:It's bigger than the FDA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, I already corrected somebody above once, but here it is again: As far a dairy farms go, farmers do everything they can to keep the cows healthy and avoid using antibiotics. If a cow is sick and does need antibiotics, the farmer has to both spend money on the antibiotics AND throw away the milk because it's illegal to sell milk in the US with any detectable amount of antibiotics in it. It's the complete opposite of profitable.

    7. Re:It's bigger than the FDA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The wrath of God? I don't care I recently was at the doctor and got a shot. But its odd anyway that this hit Europe? I import Goods from Germany. Germany has healthy breads that you will never see here in America. Also there Pop has less sugar and no artificial Flavors just real fruit try Fanta its loaded in the US with to much Sugar the German version has only 20% versus the US 48% Shame on you Pepsi! But in Europe? No High Fructose Corn Syrup in there products unlike America. But I think there now changing the foods we eat. To much Salt & Sugar can kill you from a Heart Attack! Or worse Diabetes. I'm still hoping that this new Super Bug skips the USA.

  9. Article, for those without access by ridgecritter · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2011/06/new-superbug-found-in-cows-and-p.html?ref=hp

    A novel form of deadly drug-resistant bacteria that hides from a standard test has turned up in Europe. Researchers found the so-called MRSA strain in both dairy cows and humans in the United Kingdom, suggesting that it might be passed from dairies to the general population. But before you toss your milk, don't panic: The superbug isn't a concern in pasteurized dairy products.

    MRSA, short for meticillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus, is a drug-resistant form of the widespread and normally harmless S. aureus bacteria. Many people walk around with MRSA in their noses or on their skin yet don't get sick. But in some hospital patients and people with weakened immune systems, MRSA thrives, and it is blamed for about 19,000 hospital deaths a year in the United States.

    Mark Holmes of the University of Cambridge in the United Kingdom and colleagues stumbled upon the new strain while studying mastitis, or infected udders, in U.K. dairy cows. Some milk samples from sick cows contained S. aureus bacteria that grew in the presence of antibiotics, which is one test for MRSAs. Yet the same samples turned up negative for the drug-defying bacterium when the team used PCR, a DNA amplification technique, to detect a gene called mecA, which is found in all MRSA strains.

    The PCR test doesn't always pick up variants of the gene it's meant to detect, however. To check this, the researchers sent a cow S. aureus sample to the Wellcome Trust Sanger Institute in Cambridge, which sequenced the bacterium's entire genome. "Lo and behold, there was a mecA gene there," one whose sequence overlapped with the better-known mecA by a surprisingly low 60%, Holmes said today in a press conference.

    The researchers then looked for this mecA gene in people. They tested 74 samples of S. aureus isolated from people from the United Kingdom and Denmark that were drug resistant in the antibiotic growth test but not in the PCR test—most from carriers but some from patients who were sickened by MRSA. They found the new mecA in about two-thirds of the samples, they report today in The Lancet Infectious Diseases. A nearly identical mecA gene has also now been reported in human samples from Germany and Ireland.

    The strain is still relatively rare—it probably makes up less than 1% of all detected MRSA cases, the U.K. team says. But its prevalence appears to have risen in the past decade. "More likely it's been around in the environment for a long time, and it's just getting into the human population," says University College Dublin microbiologist David Coleman, whose team reports on the Irish samples today in Antimicrobial Agents and Chemotherapy.

    The new superbug probably isn't leading to missed infections, at least in the United Kingdom, because hospitals that suspect a patient is infected with an MRSA nearly always use the antibiotic growth test in addition to PCR, Holmes says. (Patients with a confirmed infection then receive antibiotics that work on MRSAs.) However, many hospitals in continental Europe are moving toward using only PCR tests; this is a warning that those tests need to be modified to test for the new mecA gene, Holmes says.

    The study also points to dairy cows as a possible reservoir for the bug, just as pigs seem to pass MRSA to humans in the Netherlands. The bug probably doesn't get to humans through the milk supply, because almost all milk in the United Kingdom and Denmark is pasteurized, a process that kills bacteria. But workers who come into contact with infected dairy cows could be carriers. Holmes's team reports "circumstantial evidence" for this, such as the fact that genetic subtypes of the human and cow samples from the same geographical areas were nearly identical. "The main worry would be that these cows represent a pool of the bacteria" that farm workers spread into the human popula

  10. antibiotic resistance has solved ~80 years ago by DevotedFollower · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I am getting tired of reading these news articles about antibiotic resistance. We have the solution to dealing with antibiotic resistance from nature. Bacteriophages are viruses that only attack bacteria and can be used to treat patients or food for bacterial infections. They evolved with bacteria as new strains appear. For each type of bacteria and their different strains there are phages that will work against them. I made a post on reddit about my ordeal with an antibiotic resistant infection I had and how phagetherapy saved me. Feel free to pm me on either site if you have more questions. http://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/hr0gk/hey_redditrscience_just_so_you_all_knowwe_have/

  11. This is scary by Edmund+Blackadder · · Score: 0

    Terrible news. And no pasteurization does not make me feel safer. If the stuff was found in dairy cows it would not be surprising if a similar bacteria was found in cows raised for food. And guess what, most people do not cook beef well done.

    Furthermore, if cows become incubators of drug resistant bacteria (which seems to be happening), then it is only a matter of time before some drug resistant bacteria that can be transmitted by air mutates up in a cow's belly and gets transferred to a human handler of the cow. And then we have the deadly drug resistant flu of our worst nightmares and our most mediocre science fiction thrillers. It will be transmitted from human to human by air so it won't matter how well you cook your beef or whether you eat beef at all.

    We just have to ban feeding antibiotics to cows, period. There is no excuse for exposing us to these risks.

    1. Re:This is scary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'There is no excuse for exposing us to these risks'

      What if some gov't idiot speculated a 90% chance the US Medical Industry could find a costly cure?

      Just call it 'Economic Stiumulus' and spend human lives in the name of progress.

      Business as usual

  12. Haw-Haw! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm vegan!

    1. Re:Haw-Haw! by aix+tom · · Score: 1

      So don't worry about this, worry about EHEC in vegetables instead. Haw-Haw!

    2. Re:Haw-Haw! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      For you, there's a version in Spanish cucumbers.

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  13. Organic milk? by denzacar · · Score: 1

    You mean the one NOT squeezed out by robot-cows?
    I just love how people use that magic-yet-imprecise word for absolutely everything.

    Hey, you know why Han Solo's kids are the healthiest in the Galaxy?
    Cause they are organaic.

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    1. Re:Organic milk? by cvtan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      My favorite is BMW advertising that they use organic alcohol in their car-care products. I'd hate to use that inorganic alcohol stuff on MY car! In other environmental news, Poland Spring bottled water now is greener than ever since they have reduced the height of the cap on their plastic bottles: "Smaller Cap=Less Plastic!". The cap is now a choking hazard.

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  14. Zombie Cow Infestation: Day 1 by Dutchmaan · · Score: 1

    You heard it here first! MoooooooooooooooooooCHOMP!

  15. Pasteurization by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 2

    Maybe this will put a stop to the raw milk nonsense.

    1. Re:Pasteurization by Rufty · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Maybe this will put a stop to the rare steak nonsense.

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    2. Re:Pasteurization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not until we first deal with the issue of fact resistant people. Nonsense evolves in the face of facts just like bacteria do with antibiotics. Nothing reasons away reality like a true believer.

    3. Re:Pasteurization by HappyCycling · · Score: 1

      Why even drink the milk from another animal? There are many alternatives that aren't full of growth-hormones such as soy and almond.

    4. Re:Pasteurization by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      What rare steak nonsense?

    5. Re:Pasteurization by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      I doubt it, resturants want you to have your steak bloody because cooking it properly takes 20-30min and they want you occuping the table for as short a time as possible.

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    6. Re:Pasteurization by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Today is the first I've heard of the "raw milk nonsense". I'm frankly amazed this exists at all. In Australia and Canada and probably other countries selling unpasturised milk is illegal.

    7. Re:Pasteurization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      may also have to do with the idea that when you cook a strip steak to well, it loses the tenderness and flavor. if you're going to get the same quality out of a strip steak you would a sirloin, why would you buy the strip when it's 30%-40% more expensive?

    8. Re:Pasteurization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Raw milk is not nonsense. If pasteurization kills harmful "bugs" does it not stand to reason that beneficial bacteria, enzymes, and vitamins might also be destroyed by the same process? Also, research has found that people who drink raw milk are also exposed to some of the "bad" bugs in milk, but as a consequence often have better resistance to disease.

      Now if you want to talk nonsense I would offer that it is rather strange that we drink another animals bodily fluids at all.

    9. Re:Pasteurization by AfroTrance · · Score: 1

      Since when is cooking a steak well done cooking it "properly"?

      I define "properly" as high heat, 3-4 minutes each side, for a sirloin cut.

    10. Re:Pasteurization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Restaurants cook it properly, as in medium rare range, in order to serve the steak at its best. Over done just toughens the meat and often dries it out if not enough resting time is allowed to bring it up to that temp over cooked temp. Why would any restaurant who is proud of their quality, fresh from the land, products EVER want to serve something in a way that diminishes the great products they serve? If you afraid of the food, then STOP buying it from places you don't trust and know how the animal was cared for.

    11. Re:Pasteurization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might want to read into some of those "others" a little more. Here's a snippet from a medical study - "The results of the study indicate that soymilk consumption may modify circulating estrone concentrations in men." I like tits on my women... not myself.

    12. Re:Pasteurization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At first I though you we're saying that soy and alrnond are growth hormones and I was gonna fact-nazi u.
      I'll j'ust grammer nazi you intsead with bonus tpyos adn other blatant errors. ;-D

      There are many [milk] alternatives, such as soy [milk] and almond [milk], that aren't full of growth-hormones.

    13. Re:Pasteurization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the concept that good husbandry of live stock and a contaminant free supply chain before resorting to pasturiztion and antibiotics seems to have been lost along with the idea that a probiotic diet rather than a sterilized one is normal, healthy and more likely to be protective of new novel infection.

      Out breaks should be seen as indicators of poor practice in areas of the foodchain. In the UK the it was discovered that there was endemic salmonella in poltry. Inoculation of every bird is now mandatory.and the husbandry that failed to control or eliminate salmonella continues. If it becomes drug resistant another infection results there are no controls.

    14. Re:Pasteurization by Gaygirlie · · Score: 1

      Why even drink the milk from another animal? There are many alternatives that aren't full of growth-hormones such as soy and almond.

      Those are indeed good alternatives. I personally like the taste of rice milk the best, it leaves the most pleasant aftertaste in your mouth.

      But there's just one issue: these dairy milk alternatives are terribly expensive, atleast in here. When the alternatives cost 150%-300% of the price of dairy milk it's no wonder people rather choose the latter.

    15. Re:Pasteurization by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      Actually it is more that once you cook a steak beyond medium rare you may as well be eating a cheap piece of supermarket meat as you lose all the flavour anyway. What is the point of being in a restaurant if any old piece of crap would have kept you happy. PS: even a well done piece of meat only takes 3 or 4 minutes each side, 20-30 mins is cremated.

    16. Re:Pasteurization by hellop2 · · Score: 1

      Obviously the parent cooks his steaks using the sous vide method.

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    17. Re:Pasteurization by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

      Many before you have dreamed of a barn filled with heavy-breasted ladies. Few have succeeded.

    18. Re:Pasteurization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, ingesting growth hormones is really going to have an effect on your body. Every wondered why body builders / athletes have to inject growth hormones to get them into their blood stream? It's because your stomach denatures proteins that are too large, such as growth hormones. If you could figure out a way to increase blood levels of growth hormones through eating something, you would make a killing in the supplement market (as a lot of people don't want to inject anything).

    19. Re:Pasteurization by itsenrique · · Score: 1

      OK, so some nutjobs thinks pasteurized *insert whatever* is bad for you somehow (as opposed to just tasting different and maybe having a little more in the way of vitamins/enzymes/whatever). BUT, your missing a point here, it's a personal freedom thing. If I want to buy milk that hasn't been pasteurized for the taste (btw, it does taste very different, many say better), knowing full well the risks (up to and including death, though usually NOT death), why the hell shouldn't I be able to. I can get raw meat, undercooked seafood, etc. Its basically the same risk, so why not milk? Just slap that undercooked food hazard warning label on the container. So.... most states have made the sale of raw milk completely illegal, or restricted to a small number of dairies people drive hours to get to. Por Que? Even if you think raw foodists are nutters (many are I think), it comes down to how much government you want in your life (ahhh, wheres the tea "party" when you need them). First its your drugs, then its your supplements, then its the way you can buy your food. I know theres a lot of charlatanry out there, but hey, buyer beware and a sucker being born every minute is just the way of the world.

    20. Re:Pasteurization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my opinion, raw milk is delicious and arguably 'more healthy' for you. It has more vitamins, 'live cultures', and other 'good' things in it that normally get killed off along with the 'bad' bacteria during pasteurization. Don't take my word for it, go google "benefits of raw milk" and "dangers of raw milk" and read up on the subject to hear a variety of these benefits as well as the actual risks. Yes, you will have to sort the pseudo-science from the real science hippies... but it's not difficult, almost any raw milk FAQ will rationally counter all of the major "anti-raw milk" claims.

      From my perspective, the reason I drink raw milk is that it tastes better; all the other benefits (real or imaginary) are just a bonus. For my wife she thinks it's healthier, so more power to her. Taste is subjective thing, but for me it tastes good enough to make a special trip to a dairy farm to pick it up once a week in addition to normal grocery shopping.

      It is illegal to sell raw milk en masse, or through distribution. It is perfectly legal to buy it directly from the dairy farmer, which is where everyone gets raw milk from.

      It is important to note that pasteurization does kill lots of bacteria and lowers the risk of you receiving whatever bacteria is in the cows. They pasteurize it because the mega-dairy-farms have cows that are force fed corn, drugs to increase milk yield, anti-biotics, and stand all day in their own feces where additional 'bad' bacteria resides. Pasteurization also allows milk to stay good during the distribution process on it's way through supply chains and to grocery stores.

      If you're drinking raw milk, you're getting whatever is in the cows, so you should NOT just drink raw milk from any dairy farm carte blanche. But if you can find a farm that has cows that can wander around, NOT in their own feces and can eat grass not coated in chemicals/fecal matter, that don't have drugs/antibiotics in them produce milk that doesn't have that stuff in it. It also won't have anything harmful that milk could pick up on a traditional supply chain to a grocery store. So if you can see the dairy and farm, you can be reasonably assured that the raw milk you're drinking doesn't have anything 'bad' in it.

      People who use phrases like "Raw milk nonsense" tend to be people who are saying you're insane to drink milk that isn't pasteurized because... because well killing bacteria through pasteurization is good right? And the government says you have to do it! They just haven't ever thought about the downsides of pasteurization. I encourage you to think about those downsides, and also taste HOW DELICIOUS RAW MILK IS.

      Cows are awesome. They make steak and raw milk. If they made bacon, they would be the perfect animal.

    21. Re:Pasteurization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You choices affect more than yourself; we have to pay for you when you get sick. This is the same reason we have seatbelt laws. If we could guarantee that you'd just die, there'd be much less problem with your libertarian paradise.

    22. Re:Pasteurization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol

      what rock you live under?

      its illegal in Canada and Australia too. these are 1st world countries with REAL healthcare.

      get a grip, and the raw milk is mainly in cheeses, like goat, but also cow, that has the claim of using unpasteurized (yes, look up Louis Pasteur) milk tastes better,

      which is an entirely subjective thing.

      looks like you have foot in mouth disease...

    23. Re:Pasteurization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better yet, maybe it will put a stop to the milk nonsense.

    24. Re:Pasteurization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe this will put a stop to the raw milk nonsense.

      i drink unpasteurized milk all the time from a local farm. You can drink milk from a mega factory farm all you want, including during outbreaks. One of my cousins works at a pasteurization plant as a chemist. Nasty grey milk that has poop in it, is added almost daily. Your standards are much lower when you can just pasteurize it. Most people are smart enough not to drink milk that smells and tastes bad, usually the first indicators of a problem if there is one.

      You probably still have a better chance of your girlfriend giving you a VD than raw milk killing you or making you sick.

      Also, your probably really excited about the new lower food standards when they start eradicating all foods. It won't matter how filthy it is when the serve it to you. Radiated cow pie anyone? mmmm mmm good -and bacteria free!

    25. Re:Pasteurization by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

      I have done just that. In general the sites that are promoting raw milk are also promoting all sorts of other nonsense as well including homeopathy, high cholesterol diets, and that you shouldn't get your children vaccinated. They are seriously screwed up.

      There is a reason that it is generally illegal to sell raw milk products. People get sick and sometimes die from drinking it. It spreads serious diseases including some forms of tuberculosis.

    26. Re:Pasteurization by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

      I was horrified too. In the past year I have learned that for every real and beneficial advance in public heath or modern medicine there is a fringe group somewhere that thinks that this advance is wrong, detrimental and should be opposed as much as possible.

      The internet has given all of these opinions a forum and I am amazed at how many people are such uncritical consumers of and adulterants to these ideas.

    27. Re:Pasteurization by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

      Your personal anecdotal experiences don't amount to acceptable countervailing evidence that it is an unhealthy practice.

      Here is a link to a recent article on the topic.

      http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/48/1/93.full

      Please note that the increased consumption raw milk post 2005 has led to several disease outbreaks in the US.

      Advocacy of the consumption of raw milk is a VERY wrong-headed position.

    28. Re:Pasteurization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I drink soy milk due to GERD, but trust me, it's ONLY due to GERD. The stuff's pretty awful, even with 5 years of getting used to it. And yeah, I've tried multiple brands. They're all disgustingly sweet,or they taste kinda like sand.

      And you can't make cheese with it that's worth the name. Yogurt, I think you can, but I've never tried (yogurt's plenty digestible on its own).

      So, yeah, can think of plenty of reasons to drink milk. And that's with my medical situation already heavily against me.

  16. Re:Scaring you away from healthy foods by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the selenium present in the same fish compensates for what little mercury is there

    Hmmm... no.

  17. I'm more worried about the other one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So there's an outbreak of E. coli going on, resistant to at least 8 antibiotics, that infected 2000 people and killed 19, an no one knows its source (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jun/03/e-coli-infections-spread-germany?intcmp=239), so let's worry about this one in the first place, shall we?

  18. Re:Scaring you away from healthy foods by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 3, Informative
  19. The new superbug strain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Another side effect of `moderncattle feeding techiques that destroyed economies all over the southern hemisphere...

  20. Re:Scaring you away from healthy foods by cvtan · · Score: 2

    Didn't pasteurization become routine because people died from contaminated raw milk?

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  21. Re:Scaring you away from healthy foods by Mashiki · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Except in your example, and that of the CDC, the cheeses are all soft. Soft cheeses don't develop proper cultures to kill off the bad bacteria cultures that promote proper flavoring, textures and so on. Then again, I drank raw milk for 20 years. My parents, grand parents, and their parents before them drank it for years as well. I suppose there's more of an issue in this day and age of people not following what we'd call on the farm of 'don't wipe your mouth with shit' method of keeping things clean. Seriously? My grandmother, mother, and so on were religious in cleaning prep before doing kitchen work. The shit I see today from people makes me cringe.

    Personally? I'd lay more blame at the generation of people who use the antibacterial handsoaps/wipes/lotions/etc for contributing to this mess than anything. And I'll say it again. I fucking told you, that you'd doom us all.

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  22. Re:Scaring you away from healthy foods by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

    antibacterial is completely different from antibiotic, topical antibacterials do not function at all the same way they are just general antiseptics.

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  23. Re:Scaring you away from healthy foods by russotto · · Score: 1, Informative

    Personally? I'd lay more blame at the generation of people who use the antibacterial handsoaps/wipes/lotions/etc for contributing to this mess than anything. And I'll say it again. I fucking told you, that you'd doom us all.

    Triclosan use doesn't promote bacteria resistant to antibiotics.

  24. Re:Scaring you away from healthy foods by Mashiki · · Score: 5, Informative

    Really now? You could just use google and have saved me the 10 seconds to point out what I already knew what right. It does indeed promote bacterial resistance to antibiotics.

    http://jac.oxfordjournals.org/content/54/3/621.short

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  25. Re:Scaring you away from healthy foods by Mashiki · · Score: 1

    They do. Much like I replied to the other post, google and other search engines are your friend. Antiseptics kill(not all are equal however). Antibacterials can promote selective resistances, and force bacteria to become resistant to antibiotics.

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  26. Probably cause we use human waste on pastures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your food was probably grown in pollution from your local waste water treatment plant - human waste + industrial waste - u flush it, they spread it, u eat it, etc...

    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-254
    Call congress person - demand they get that out of committee...

    More about using human waste on farm fields:
    http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/05/31/2339099/sludge-smell-has-residents-complaining.html
    http://www.sludgefacts.org/
    http://www.sewagesludgeactionnetwork.com
    http://law.justia.com/cfr/title40/40-29.0.1.2.40.2.html

    More about dangerous ecoli/mrsa coming from sewage treatment plants:
    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0043135409008082
    http://mrsaisairborne.blogspot.com/2008/04/mrsa-waterborne-and-airborne.html

    MRSA showing up in meat:
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/15/us-usa-meat-bacteria-idUSTRE73E80D20110415

    Meat industry covering:
    http://www.cattlenetwork.com/cattle-news/latest/Better-safety-practices-reduce-E-coli-risks-US-meat-industry-says--123131003.html

    More about what it did to McElmurry farm:
    http://www.sludgenews.org/resources/documents/McElmurrayTestimony.pdf

    The more you know, the more u wanna grow your own...

  27. Re:Scaring you away from healthy foods by compro01 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yes, many diseases were transmitted via unpasteurized milk, particularly tuberculosis.

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  28. Re:Scaring you away from healthy foods by TubeSteak · · Score: 2

    Then again, I drank raw milk for 20 years. My parents, grand parents, and their parents before them drank it for years as well. I suppose there's more of an issue in this day and age of people not following what we'd call on the farm of 'don't wipe your mouth with shit' method of keeping things clean.

    I congratulate you and your family for not getting sick from raw milk.
    But what works on the farm rarely works when scaled up to industrial quantities.

    Further, your anecdotal evidence is overruled by the mountains of historically reported illnesses and deaths from raw milk contamination of:
    e-coli, tuberculosis, diphtheria, typhoid fever, salmonella, listeria, campylobacter and brucella

    Pasteurization is not some conspiracy to pollute your precious bodily fluids or restrict your god given rights.
    It saves lives.

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  29. Well, there is a "superbug" out there right now by NiklasD · · Score: 1

    As you may already have heard, a new strain of E. Coli (EHEC) is spreading in Central Europe (northern Germany seems to be the epicenter) and has killed 18 people so far.

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  30. So much for raw milk drinker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now when the next raw milk drinker comes to me with the obvious benefit of raw milk, I can send him this article to read, and wish him good luck with his darwin award.

    1. Re:So much for raw milk drinker by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      Funny, I grew up on raw milk. Then again, it was from my own farm. I don't drink raw now, but only because of convenience and cost.

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  31. Re:Scaring you away from healthy foods by Mashiki · · Score: 1

    I agree and that was my point. AKA the 'don't wipe your mouth with shit' because when you're doing things on your own farm, you're more careful about how you're cleaning a teat. The same reason why when you're slaughtering, you're careful not to puncture the intestines, kidney's, bladder too. But on an industrial process? Pft.

    Pasteurization is fine and all that, but don't dictate to me that it's illegal if I own cows and want to get milk unpasteurized, and drink it myself, for my own use.

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  32. Pasteurisation has no influence on taste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The biggest influence on taste of commercial milk is the separation of fat, re homogenisation. Normal pasteurization (60-70ÂC) has only a very minor effect, baring none, but still have some bacteria so need to be refrigerated. Now UHT pasteurisation (200ÂC) is actually more like a sterilisation and has a great effect on taste, but can be stappled in box *at normal temperature*. There are some milk which I used to buy and it definitively had a strange taste compared to normal pasteurised milk.

  33. Agri-Pharma Lobby by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Problem is, you're going up against some of the biggest, and most powerful lobbies ever seen.
    When you've got both the agricultural lobby and the pharmaceutical lobby both agreeing on something there's NO WAY you're going to get enough time with your congress critter to make a dent.

    We'd sooner get the corn ethanol mandate removed before getting antibiotic use curbed.

  34. Re:Get informed. by Plainswind · · Score: 2

    80% lactose intolerant? Only for certain populations. In others, 90% of the population can handle lactose, and 10% lactose intolerant. Globally speaking, lactose intolerance is around 50%.

  35. But why stop there... by denzacar · · Score: 1

    When you can have organic water, from organic land and organic charcoal air filters that I suppose will give you organic air.

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  36. That's it! by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 1

    I'm not sharing the bathroom with the cows anymore.

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  37. Human Sewage on Pasture a is bad idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And this is why.
    How many of you knew that most of your food comes from sewage land applied farm fields?
    Its perfectly legal. Farmers demand it.

    You can have what are called phobe/bacteria blooms after land application.

    Could this be the smoking gun for all the MRSA reports, contamination of our produce, and now in E.Coli Germany.

    They take the digestate and apply it to farm fields to grow food.

    If you are unaware, bacteria mutate thru a process called gene swapping.

    I believe multi-drug resistance is a byproduct of the Waste Water Treatment industry - take these bacteria, kill off the weak with the pharmasuticals we dump into waste stream (penecillin, etc), and you end up with super tough bacteria that can take us out.

  38. Is it really a super bug.. by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

    ..if a standard, common practice like Pasteurization easily kills it off? Or maybe I just don't really understand the definition of a super bug. I understand once you're infected, it's damn hard to get rid of, but when it's so straightforward to kill off before ingestion, it doesn't sound so invulnerable.

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    1. Re:Is it really a super bug.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the biggest issue with this germ coming around is its effect on non-pasteurized milk products (most of the traditional cheeses of Europe being an easily recognized example).

      whereas for the most part, pastuerized vs. unpasteurized was a matter of taste and preference, this situation indicates that the industrial food supply process has essentially created a situation that could render all non-pastuerized dairy products toxic.

      we've successfully systematized disease. congratulations.

  39. Re: Let's look at the big picture here. by australopithecus · · Score: 1

    Right, because antibiotic-resistant superbugs in raw milk obviously killed off most of humanity prior to the discovery of pasteurization....?

    So here's the issue: all industry gets scaled up for the sake of profit. works great for manufacturing and mechanized processes, but the process of creating food isn't mechanical. we aren't purely mechanical beings, and we shouldn't be gaining energy from chemical food; this is a fairly clear statement and it's not difficult to see the ramifications of doing so (e.g. extremely obese indivuduals suffering from malutrition, child onset adult diabetes, etc.)

    In the process of scaling up food production, we've created artificially toxic environments that demand the use of prophylactic antibiotics, a process that is known to create antibiotic-resistant strains of pathogenic germs.

    This has nothing to do with raw milk being unsafe when consumed from a dairy that even remotely resembles the concept of a true farm. i drink raw cow's milk daily, and have done so for two years. i trust the producer, i know what they do to process the milk; the milk i drink comes from a situation that is far more hygienic than anything you would buy in the store.

    TLDR: create large food operations for profit, have disease outbreaks which are entirely a result of the large size of the operation, create stringent rules that are necessary only due to problems which arise from being an industrial-sized food producer, turn food from smaller producers which may be more wholesome into a criminals. continue profiting from processes which will inherently produce dangerous corollary outcomes.

  40. We have raw cheese in Switzerland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and the EU wants to ban it. But raw milk cheese smells better and has a better texture. I trust that our alpine farmers care about clean milk. Heck, contaminated milk cannot be used to make good cheese. Yogurts and drinks are another story.

    Same thing with homogenization. I heard from otherwise sane people that it kills the vitamins. (what important vitamins does milk have anyway). I really can't understand how they conceived this thought.

  41. Re:Scaring you away from healthy foods by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

    Perhaps, although this is a highly controversial area at the moment.

    What is clear is that:

    1. There is no apparent health benefit from using antibacterial soaps.

    2. There are no apparent health consequences from the induced antibiotic resistances found in some in vitro experiments.

    All in all the best thing would be to not have these products as there is no benefit from them.

  42. Re:Scaring you away from healthy foods by GargamelSpaceman · · Score: 1

    I guess I'm less concerned if a bacteria evolves resistance to bleach, since bleach is useless as a medicine. If I get infected with a sodium hypochlorite resistant bug, then I doubt the doctor was going to prescribe me a tablespoonful of Chlorox for it anyway.

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