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Apple WWDC: iOS 5, Lion, iCloud

Steve Jobs was on hand today to kick off Apple's WWDC keynote. Lion took the lead, with no surprises except a $29.99 pricetag and a July ship date. iOS is getting a new "Notification Center"; Twitter is being integrated; he announced a split thumbable keyboard for iPads; wireless syncing; and a native IM system for iOS devices, shipping in the Fall. iCloud will be free, syncing apps (Mail, Calendar, Contacts and iWork apps) across devices. Photostream is iCloud for pictures. iTunes iCloud will let you re-download your tracks at last, and iTunes Match will let you match your ripped CDs to Apple's copies.

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  1. In other words... by Admodieus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...he introduced the Apple community to Android, Windows Phone 7, Linux, Windows, and OS X Snow Leopard.

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    1. Re:In other words... by roothog · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As trollish as that looks, I was sort of thinking it too. I didn't realize how far behind the times Apple had gotten, until I saw the list of coming features and thought to myself, "I've had that for years".

    2. Re:In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      I work in a place with 62 employees and 61 apple desktops and I'm saying that to myself a lot, as well, with the term "on Windows" at the end. Of course, I don't really like windows because I feel everything should be UNIX and not just the simplified copy of UNIX that is Windows NT. And of course, all the users care about are how it looks, not what it does. Sigh.

      So you work with one smart person?

    3. Re:In other words... by ibmjones · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ...he introduced the Apple community to . . . OS X Snow Leopard.

      OS X Snow Leopard? Who makes that?

    4. Re:In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Apple has always been more about making things actually "just work" instead of introducing new things. Before the iPhone you could do all those things and more on Windows Mobile and Symbian phones. Before the iPod there were MP3 players with far more features than the iPod had.
      The difference is that Apple takes some existing features, and does them _really_ well. You could browse the web on Windows Mobile, but the experience was pretty painful. The iPhone was the first to make that feature actually useful enough to use all the time. Same with the iPod. I have a little MP3 player from Samsung and I can't for the life of me remember how to use it. It just isn't intuitive.

      It is changing a little though. For example the notification system was taken exactly from Android without significantly improving it. And I'm disappointed that there were no changes to the home screen to be more dynamic to allow quick access to certain features (like turning Wifi/bluetooth on/off).
      I still think the user experience is better on iOS than Android, but the gap is much smaller than it was just 6 months ago. Apple will have to be a bit more creative to maintain that lead there.

    5. Re:In other words... by BitZtream · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The real difference will be exactly what you pointed out.

      Windows has had them since Vista ... no one makes their apps handle the notifications.

      Mac Apps (high profile ones anyway) will, like all the ones Apple makes.

      Kinda makes you wonder why Apple seems to be able to get their internal apps to use all the OS features yet Windows developers don't. iOS developers are pretty lazy (on average) at this point just because there are so many of them, its kinda like Visual Basic over there at the moment, but not so much for OSX app yet. I expect the major league apps will all support the features in their next major release, with the exception of Adobe products which pretty much seem to try to teach Microsoft just how long you can milk an old, shitty code base without adding any new features and just changing the gui while forcing upgrades via incompatible default save formats.

      I expect that iWorks and iLife will be updated right around the same time as OSX 10.7 is released, why doesn't Office 2007 support these features yet? Okay, they didn't want to update it cause they wanted people to buy the new version ... then why doesn't 2010 have it?

      I do Windows development on most days, I actually hadn't even heard about these features until fairly recently ... long after I learned about it for OSX ... which I do write for occasionally, but not as a primary job function.

      I hate to say it, but Apple does seem to use some sort of magic, Windows has been 'better' in most ways almost always compared to OSX (I'm ignoring Vista in the same way I'm ignoring Copland), yet I'd still rather use OSX any day, even when it holds me back ... could be the UNIX under it that does it, but it just seems like everything feels better in OSX, technically inferior (debatable) or not.

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    6. Re:In other words... by LordRobin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No you haven't.

      This happens every time Apple announces a new product. Someone invariably claims that it's nothing new, because some half-assed crappy version of the idea exists somewhere. Then once the product is actually released, everyone is amazed at what a leap it is.

      This goes all the way back to the iPod. "Oooh, an MP3 player. Big deal. I have one of those."

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  2. I skipped Snow Leopard by xjerky · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But I will definitely go for Lion at $29. The thing is, how will it be made available to Leopard users? Jobs said it was Mac App Store-only.

    (posting non-anon this time)

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  3. Oh how times change by Xunker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    2001: Record labels sue my.mp3.com in to oblivion.
    2011: Record labels can't wait to suck on the iTunes Cloud teat.

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    1. Re:Oh how times change by gnasher719 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      2001: Record labels sue my.mp3.com in to oblivion.
      2011: Record labels can't wait to suck on the iTunes Cloud teat.

      In between: Some major payment of money from Apple to the record companies.

  4. Re:I skipped Snow Leopard by xMrFishx · · Score: 3, Informative

    Buying SL for the sake of getting Lion is spending money for the sake of it. No his concern is genuine. I thought this too as I watched the photo slideshow... There must be a way of burning it or acquiring it through a non internet distributed channel.

  5. Re:Give us the betas! by tooyoung · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think that the idea is that users don't interact with files and the file system. They interact with songs through the iTunes interface. I know there are a million and one reasons to do clever things with the file system organization for music, but I think that 99% of users don't really care about how their songs are laid out on the FS. They think of them as songs, not files.

  6. Re:Annnnnd it's a big nothing. by ctid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Putting very mildly indeed, iTunes Match is an important announcement.

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  7. Re:Give us the betas! by TobyRush · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Steve himself pointed out that MobileMe was a misstep. As someone who has cobbled together a cable-based home iTunes network, Gmail (via both a desktop/laptop web browser but also through iPhone's Mail app for notifications, etc.), Flickr & iPhoto, AppleTVs, a 60GB iPod, my wife's iPod Touch, Things for to do lists, etc., etc., etc., the only thing that is not encouraging to me about this is the thought of redoing everything again. But if Apple is actually putting some energy into this (and from the data center pictures, it looks like they are), it's might be too tempting to refuse.

    And iTunes Match? Does anyone else find it baffling how they are getting away with this? I mean, for $25 I get legal versions of every single—ahem, questionably procured, shall we say— tracks in my gigantic iTunes library? Did the record companies read the fine print on this? I mean, as a voracious music consumer, I'm NOT complaining... we've all known for a long time that things were going to have to change in regard to digital media and copyright. And say what you will about them, I could see Apple being the company to make it happen. But really... how did they get away with this?

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  8. Few surprises by fermion · · Score: 3, Interesting
    $30 for the OS is the same price as the current OS. The only difference is there is no family pack. This is because device on an Apple account is considered the same device for licensing purposes. If you have 10 macs on you account, then all 10 macs can get the Appstore Software. This is a really attractive feature of Apple software, and I am glad that all Appstore software is going to follow this model. One of my biggest issues with MS is having to buy MS WIndows at $200 a pop for every machine I own.

    We also expected the over the network OS upgrades, something I think will really separate Mac Os and iOS hardware form the MS crowd. Lack of installation media is a concern for some, but I put all my OS on HD partitions and install from the harddisk anyway. Haven't install from a DVD in years. Haven't bought a application DVD in years.

    The dig about it just working is really apropos. I tried to use Amazon music service thingy. Bought the music, put it on the web, could not download it to my computer afterwards. So I set up Amazon to download to my computer, thinking I would upload back to Amazon. Bought the lady gaga for $1, never got it to download properly, Amazon will not aswer my requests to download it again. I think this is called theft. Really wondering if I am going to do business with them when they won't give me my purchases.

    One thing I am concerned about is the transition from Mobileme to iCloud. They are not making it cheaper, 5gb for $20 is not better than the current deal. They are just giving away inexpensive services for free, just like they did with itools. Most people are not going to upload that many pictures in 30 days, and well over a decade of mail is not taking more than a few gb of space.

    The versioning on iOS is going be a huge thing, since the iOS 'filesystem' is not versionable with any current tools. OTOH, semms iworks is stil imcompatable between Mac OS and iOS so I would have liked to see some work done on that front.

    Apple is competing hard against Google and RIM, which is good, but they seem to have lost their way on some of the applications. This happened in the late 80's when they were trying to cut prices to compete with the PC. The software was spun off the claris and a lot of good applications were lost.

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  9. Re:Xcode ... by slimjim8094 · · Score: 4, Informative

    They did. Delta updates in App Store. All the devs in the room applauded, for precisely the reason you mentioned.

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  10. Re:Matching my music with iTunes store? by Americano · · Score: 4, Informative

    From the Apple iCloud web page, up shortly after the WWDC keynote finished:

    Here’s how it works: iTunes determines which songs in your collection are available in the iTunes Store. Any music with a match is automatically added to your iCloud library for you to listen to anytime, on any device. Since there are more than 18 million songs in the iTunes Store, most of your music is probably already in iCloud. All you have to upload is what iTunes can’t match. Which is much faster than starting from scratch. And all the music iTunes matches plays back at 256-Kbps iTunes Plus quality — even if your original copy was of lower quality.

    Italics/Bold sentence above emphasized by me.

    If your music is already in the Itunes store, the match service will let you avoid having to upload it, and you might be able to upgrade the quality. If it's not in the itunes store, you can still upload it to the service, and have your non-mainstream stuff available to you in the same way, but you won't get the upgraded bitrate that a matched song might get you. I know I have a bunch of old, comparatively low-bitrate, mp3's in my collection... an upgrade of even half of them to 256kbps for the cost of a few minutes scanning my library and $25/yr doesn't sound like an unreasonable price when you factor in the time required to re-rip a couple hundred CDs at a higher bitrate.

  11. Re:Annnnnd it's a big nothing. by gnasher719 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1) We get to claim 30% of your revenue

    ... and we paid out 2.5 billion dollars so far to developers. Also just out: The Apple app store (the one where you can buy apps for Macs only) is the _largest_ seller of PC software! Beating Walmart, Best Buy and anyone else. And can you tell me any other store that lets developers keep 70% of the revenue.

  12. Re:I skipped Snow Leopard by MachineShedFred · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's an app that you get from the app store. You copy /Applications/Install Mac OS X.app to your media of choice. This is how it has worked since the first developer preview like 5 months ago.

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  13. Re:Annnnnd it's a big nothing. by clifyt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    With $2.5 Billion in sales of independent software in the last year...thats how.

    I know several of developers that HATE the idea of what the iStore is...and at the same time, are making far more money using it, selling their products far cheaper, than they ever did before.

    You can either be religious about all of this, or you can be pragmatic.

    If you were selling anywhere else, you'd have to deal with CC processing, you'd have to deal with boxed products. You'd have to deal with a shitload of other hassles...in this regard, the only hassle you have to do is to mind read what Steve Jobs is planning on doing next and for most developers, this isn't a problem.

    Even a friend that just has a product kicked out recently...said he made enough before it was kicked out...and it isn't like his code isn't reusable. Will fix the problems and resubmit.

    And if this is too much of a problem, they can always go program for Android.

  14. Dear Apple by Enry · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Welcome to last year.

    Love and kisses,
    Android

    Really, though all these things are good, but Apple is going for the same thing IBM and Microsoft tried in the 80s and 90s by locking users into a static platform. There's better bells and whistles now, but when Facetime can't connect with anything other than an iOS or OS X device, you'll have to say forget it and go with something more cross platform like Google Voice. Many of the new features advertised already exist in one form or another and the ones that are unique are more 'Huh. Interesting, but not enough to make my buy one'.

  15. Re:Xcode ... by itsdapead · · Score: 3, Informative

    How about making it so I don't have re-download 3+GB every time a minor dot-release of Xcode is released?

    http://www.apple.com/macosx/whats-new/features.html - look for 'Efficient app updates'

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  16. Re:It looks like this: by cheeks5965 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    i'm not going to argue the merits of your post, since we'd both be arguing with a distinct lack of facts. But the truth is that the record companies have the rights to the music, so if they don't like the online arrangement they're taking their ball and going home. mp3.com failed at the most important sales job -- getting the music companies on board. jobs extended his rds and convinced the record cos to buy in. and so you have this new service that's supported and works well.

    As for #4, I believe it is "4. Pay the record companies a boat load of cash." which is all they really want. can you blame them?

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  17. Re:No install media, no deal by Deus.1.01 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Thats ok, my wallet was stuffed with those 500 dollars i saved buying an Asus laptop anyway.

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