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Why Doesn't 'Google Kids' Exist?

theodp writes "Slate's Michael Agger wishes there was a website his 6-year-old son could visit on his own to watch amateur Star Wars Lego movies and other stuff he's curious about. 'But I don't leave him alone on YouTube,' he laments, 'because I never know if some strange-ass video will appear in the 'Related Videos' section.' Agger suggests that Google should create Google Kids, a search engine that filters the Web for children. 'Think back to when you were a kid and your parents dropped you off at the library,' explains Agger. 'In the children's section, the only "inappropriate" stuff to be found was Judy Blume's Forever, which someone's older sister had usually already checked out anyway. Similarly, Google Kids would be a sort of children's section of the Web, focused on providing high-quality results based on age.'"

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  1. Google Kids = Legal obligation/legal minefield by bazmail · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One bad video/image slipping through could cause Google a lot of problems. Think wardrobe malfunction x 1,000,000 Its why many companies shy away from this.

  2. Why aren't parents actually being parents? by trparky · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Parents use the Internet as a babysitting tool more often than not these days. Then when they find that little Johnny or Judy finds something inappropriate on the Internet they cry foul about it and say that it shouldn't be on the Internet for their kids to find thus punishing everyone else. Or they run to some filtering program to hopefully block the bad stuff and then the kid finds their way around it and then the parent has a fit about it.

    How about actually being a parent? Sitting down with your child and help them use the Internet safely is far better than trying to either force the usage of filtering applications or ranting about why the content is there to begin with.

    1. Re:Why aren't parents actually being parents? by Kjella · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's one thing to have rules and restrictions, it's another to babysit them every moment of their life. You find age-appropriate toys and books and tv series and movies and games, you don't sit shoulder reading in case someone decided to cut to hardcore porn. Like I remember I was asked to help once, the parents had an IM app installed to chat to their grandparents and some friends and family and all that, paid enough attention to who but didn't watch their every move. Well, turns out spambots were sending messages with porn links, and the kids were the age they'd click almost anything. So they asked me for help, is there some setting so they only get messages from people on their friend list. If anyone needed to be added, they'd vet them first.

      To me that's a perfectly sane attitude. The Internet is a mix of a whole lot of stuff, some obviously designed for 18+ people. And if you completely deny them web surfing, they will miss out on a *lot*. So you want to find some middle ground where you have some scope of control - like who they talk to on IM, but not everything they ever said. Just like they get to walk public streets but not into strip clubs, it doesn't mean you have to walk them door to door.

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    2. Re:Why aren't parents actually being parents? by wisty · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly. They should do their jobs, and pony up for an X-Box. That way their kids can learn to massacare their enemies in a safe and supportive environment, where there is no danger of being exposed to breasts, swear words, or pirated material.

  3. well... by fyngyrz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This puts Google in the position of being mommy and daddy. What I consider "inappropriate" is unlikely to be the same as the next parent; what this suggests, though, is that everyone gets to deal with what Google decides, and frankly... that's not an appropriate role for a third party. That's the parent's job. If you don't have time for guiding your kids, and you can't seem to come up with rules and behaviors, or use a white-list facility competently, then perhaps you shouldn't be spawning anyway, rather than begging for a third party to do your job for you.

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  4. Use SafeSearch by Arlet · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't want to turn on SafeSearch for when my kids are using the computer and turn it off for me

    Create a different user account for each of your family members, and set individual preferences. You'll want that anyway.

  5. Supervise your own kid by js3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You people disgust me. You go through the trouble of having a kid and yet you want to leave the responsibilty to big corporation. If you can't bother to spend time browsing the web with your kid, don't have one.

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    1. Re:Supervise your own kid by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There are plenty of 'safe' zones for kids - just not on the Internet.

      My parents left me alone at times. They just made sure I didn't have access to the acetylene tank (after that one little incident, anyway). Some things can be kid safe, the open Internet isn't one of them.

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    2. Re:Supervise your own kid by Seumas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Comments like this always come from non-parents. True ignorance. You have no fucking idea how much harder life is when raising children. Perhaps the world should just stop reproducing so "we people" won't disgust you.

      Comments like you're always come from parents who fucked their lives up and have somehow convinced themselves that their mistake actually makes them saints and sages able to dispense advice to everyone else and trump those who did not fuck their lives up. I'm not a drug addict, but I can also comment fairly astutely on addiction and the wisdom of not putting yourself in a position to potentially become one.

      You are not some hero for breeding. Trust me, if you don't breed, the world will still go on. This isn't 1640, where having a healthy child that lives to the age of twelve is rare and you need to spread your seed far and wide just to hope for a chance of humanity's continuation. And my having the sense and wisdom not to have children doesn't make me selfish or unqualified to discuss parenting. (For one thing, I *HAVE* parents, just like everyone else has).

      Anyway, people like me know EXACTLY HOW FUCKING MUCH HARDER LIFE IS WHEN RAISING CHILDREN. That is why we don't do it. If you insist on doing it, then just fucking do it and shut the hell up. I didn't force you to squirt one out. I didn't even ask you to. If it's so difficult or you can't afford it, then don't do it. I've somehow managed to avoid breeding as has every single person I know who doesn't want kids.

      Now, that said, the idea that it's disgusting that someone wants a corporation to provide a service that helps them do that parenting is kind of absurd. Letting that company control the content your children receive entirely blindly, without having any personal insight into just what is being filtered is absurd, but as long as you know what is being filtered out or opted in and you agree with it, then what's the difference between having a service to do that or coding something to do it on your own? Or watching over your child's shoulder?

  6. Parents should be parents, not companies. by Nidi62 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If he's not old enough to see a lot of the content on youtube, or elsewhere for that matter, then your son shouldn't be on the internet without your supervision anyway. Use the time as bonding time between you and your child. If you are too busy to sit with them while they are on the internet, then have them do something else (play with toys, etc) and only let them use a computer when you are around/have time to be with them. And, even if there were a "Google Kids", how would you keep the kid from accidentally getting out into the "real" internet? You would need a computer/account locked down tighter than an iPod. Moral of the story: the onus of raising your child is on you. Don't try to make Google/the internet/TV/the government raise them for you.

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  7. Bad analogy using libraries by fruitbane · · Score: 5, Insightful

    According to the ALA's Freedom to Read statement, librarians should not be censoring what children read, either. If a child you've dropped off at the library wants to wander into young adult or the regular adult stacks and start paging through books, the librarians should only be stepping in if the book is being mishandled. So while children's content is collected together in the children's area, the child is not prevented from accessing adult materials. You know, because the librarians aren't babysitters and are also not meant to be filters for your children the way you are, being their legal guardian and all.

  8. Google's not a charity, either. by FooAtWFU · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It surely would be a Nice Thing to make a playground on the Internet for kids, but why should Google bother to do it? Go make it yourself if it's such a good idea. "Oh, I don't have the resources to do that," you say. Well... there you go. Google isn't a charity.

    Now, YouTube Kids or something like that, maybe you can see something there. (Think, vetted content from the likes of Nickelodeon and PBS, actually rated as 'G' or 'E' or whatever by a real ratings agency.) It's probably easier to get profitable advertising in videos there as well; kids can't be the best at operating click-through ads.

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    1. Re:Google's not a charity, either. by Endo13 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem is to even have a shot at making something like this work right now, you'd have to have actual humans vet and whitelist websites, videos and everything else on a one-by-one basis. And even then, everything would have to be re-reviewed every so often to make sure nothing new slipped through the cracks on "clean" website. There's no way ad revenue alone would cover an undertaking like that. Whatever it ended up being would have to be subscription-based, which in the end isn't really all that different from current web filtering options available.

      A child-safe corner of the internet sounds lovely, but until it's possible to fully automate the process and be 100% sure nothing "unsafe" slips through, it's probably not going to happen on any grand scale.

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    2. Re:Google's not a charity, either. by Idarubicin · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Bear in mind that relying on the "real ratings agenc[ies]" simply means substituting (and abdicating) one's parental responsibilities for one particular and frankly peculiar brand of moral hygeine.

      In the United States, The King's Speech drew an R rating from the MPAA. (Apparently, they objected to the use of profanity - including the dreaded 'fuck' - even in the context of speech therapy.) No youth under the age of 17 is allowed to see the film in theaters without an accompanying adult parent or guardian. The same goes for Billy Elliot and Erin Brockovich.

      The Lord of the Rings films, meanwhile, get a PG-13, despite impalements, beheadings, and the deaths of thousands. Casino Royale gets a PG-13, even with all its James Bond violence, and the sadistic clubbing of the protagonist's testicles while he's tied to a chair.

      All moral issues must be absolutely black and white--any adult who lets a teenager have a glass of wine must be a drug-addled older sibling living a life of failure, a corrupt businessman (Mafia or inside trader about to be brought down), or a pedophile. Any reference to sexuality will be harshly punished, and the children absolutely must be protected from anything but stereotypical portrayals of asexual homosexuality. (Homosexual males are child-safe only if they are portrayed shopping, prancing, lisping, and looking fabulous--surrounded only by women.)

      That's no world in which to raise a child.

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    3. Re:Google's not a charity, either. by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem is to even have a shot at making something like this work right now, you'd have to have actual humans vet and whitelist websites, videos and everything else on a one-by-one basis.

      Not only that, but you will immediately have problems with cross culture compatibility... I'm pretty sure you would not get objections from the Amish, but pretty much every other group will want things skewed to {support / justify / defend} the basic cultural prejudice required by said groups.

      You need a license to drive a car but any moron can raise a Dahmer or even a Hitler in their own home.

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    4. Re:Google's not a charity, either. by Idarubicin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In real life the rating agencies are pretty damn helpful. You aren't thinking like a parent...

      I suppose I'm not, if I'm a parent that believes naughty words are less obscene (and less harmful) than the graphic fetishization of violence and torture. Or perhaps I'm a parent that believes it's important to teach children than homosexuality (or even the idea that gay people are normal people like everyone else) is scary and obscene. You think that kids don't clue in to what is forbidden nearly as quickly as they see what is allowed?

      The ratings systems are fine for me as a parent if I respond to exactly the same (far right-wing, hyper-Christian) morality cues as the MPAA. Otherwise, I'm teaching my children to be numb to violence, to feel dirty about healthy sexuality, to be titillated by the forbidden four-letter words, and to be fearful of homosexuals.

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  9. Being Human by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    'Think back to when you were a kid and your parents dropped you off at the library,' explains Agger. 'In the children's section, the only "inappropriate" stuff to be found was Judy Blume's Forever, which someone's older sister had usually already checked out anyway.

    This is the entirety of the issue in two simple sentences.

    First is the fact that the library section is managed by humans. It is not collected programatically. It takes human intervention to select tittles for this unique collection. This is something that Google either simply does not do or tends to avoid. Google's selections are handled by infamous algorithms that, while generally effective, are not without error or immune to manipulation. It was Yahoo that, over a decade ago, hired librarians to try to catalog the web.

    Secondly, even with human librarians making selections for the library's children's section, mistakes and interpretation come in to play. Is Judy Blume's Forever appropriate? All the controversy over this particular book highlights the indistinct boundaries of determining the "appropriateness" of material. And the fact that the article's author even raises the spectre of controversy over this particular book highlights the difficulty in managing even a small, distinctly controlled environment much less anything as vast and fluid as Internet content.

  10. Re:The World is not for children..... by FriendlyPrimate · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sheesh. All that's being asked here is the equivalent of a kids playground in that big bad unsupervised city you speak of. I think a Google search engine that filters based on vetted content for kids (i.e. a whitelist) with user-preferences is a GREAT idea. It gives them the freedom and experience of learning about how to use the internet without having to deal with traumatic experiences like random goatse-like websites. And who cares if it doesn't work 100% of the time? If it filters out 99.9% of the stuff, then I'd consider it useful.

    By your logic, I shouldn't even be letting my kids outside to play because it's not "safe". Or if I do, I should be a helicopter parent, constantly hovering over them to make sure they're 100% safe 100% of the time? Even playgrounds aren't 100% safe either...they're may be sexual predators lurking in the bushes after all. Does that mean I shouldn't take my kids to them? No. It means I still watch my kids if they're in a playground, but I don't have to watch them as closely as if they're running around in a ghetto.