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Righthaven Loses

A month ago we noted that the legal system had put Righthaven on hold, but now redwolfe7707 noted that "A federal judge in Nevada says a Las Vegas law firm targeting unauthorized content on the Internet cannot sue others over a news company's copyrights. The Las Vegas Sun reported Tuesday the dismissal of a lawsuit by copyright enforcer Righthaven LLC against the website Democratic Underground. U.S. District Court Chief Judge Roger Hunt says copyright plaintiffs must control the rights to material in order to sue for copyright infringement."

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  1. My favorite line. by SniperJoe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My favorite line from the judge's ruling?

    "IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that Righthaven show cause, in writing, no later than two (2) weeks from the date of this order, why it should not be sanctioned. "

    Kudos to the Judge on this one.

    1. Re:My favorite line. by SirGeek · · Score: 3, Informative

      Where is THAT text found ? That doesn't appear to be anywhere on the submission or the original story.

    2. Re:My favorite line. by SniperJoe · · Score: 5, Informative

      By the way, Wired had a bit more information on the ruling also:

      http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/06/copyright-troll-sanctions/

      A link to the PDF of the judge's order can be found on the EFF's website as well:

      http://www.eff.org/cases/righthaven-v-democratic-underground

    3. Re:My favorite line. by DworkinLV · · Score: 5, Informative
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    4. Re:My favorite line. by Trepidity · · Score: 4, Informative

      It doesn't appear to be included in the rather poor article Slashdot chose to link, but the much better Ars piece links the actual ruling [pdf], which includes that sentence on the last page.

    5. Re:My favorite line. by SniperJoe · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you would kindly go to the PDF that I just posted of the actual judge's order (through the EFF's website) and scroll to IV. Order to Show Cause (page 15 of 16), it'll be there.

  2. Compare to BMI or iCopyright by tepples · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am sure that the newspapers will just grant full copyright to RightHaven, for a right to share in the spoils of the lawsuits.

    Or another variation: sell Righthaven the exclusive right to sublicense articles to other web sites. This would make Righthaven more like a copyright clearance agency such as BMI or iCopyright.

    1. Re:Compare to BMI or iCopyright by DRJlaw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I am sure that the newspapers will just grant full copyright to RightHaven, for a right to share in the spoils of the lawsuits.

      Or another variation: sell Righthaven the exclusive right to sublicense articles to other web sites. This would make Righthaven more like a copyright clearance agency such as BMI or iCopyright.

      There's a reason why Righthaven is attempting to avoid doing that. That makes the copyright an asset that can be reached by defendants who are awarded sanctions. When Righthaven receives a settlement, you can reasonably assume that the money is not sitting in a bank in Righthaven's name. Instead, it is disbursed to offset "expenses," "salaries," payments by the LLC to its members, etc. One of the significant reasons for forming an LLC for a venture is to limit liability -- with rare and expensive-to-litigate exceptions, losses would be limited to the present value of the members' investment in the LLC.

      If Righthaven is subject to significant sanctions, for example, in this case, the members could decide to pay the sanctions to keep the entity afloat, or declare the entity insolvent. In the latter case, the defendent is merely an unsecured creditor who had better hope that the bankruptcy trusteee chooses to be agressive in pursuing recourse from the LLC members.

      If Righthaven owns the copyright, suddenly there is the specter of a defendant gaining control of the copyright, including the right to sue for infringement. All related litigation against other defendants could be rendered moot, and the defendent holding the copyright could potentially have a field day. A ticked off defendant holding a right to create and distribute derivative works is not an appetizing prospect.

  3. Re:This is confusing, a little by Dragonslicer · · Score: 5, Informative

    Of course a company can hire a law firm to work on a lawsuit against anyone the company wants. When they do, though, the company's name, not the law firm's name, is attached to the case as the plaintiff. In this case, though, Righthaven is listed as the plaintiff, which means that they aren't the firm hired to work on the case, but that they are claiming to be the party that has been harmed.

  4. Re:This is confusing, a little by anyGould · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So a company can't hire a third party law firm to blanket sue? Based on the previous slashdot story and TFA, that's the gist of what this is saying. A copyright holder can't have a generic contract with a litigation firm; they must hire them under contract to sue on their behalf in a specific case.

    As I understand it, the ruling is that you can't split off the "right to sue" from the actual copyright - either you have the rights to the property (and can thus sue to defend those rights), or you don't.

  5. Re:This is confusing, a little by starfishsystems · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Reminds me of the old tale about the woodcutter and the layabout. The woodcutter is just doing his job, out there splitting logs for the village, working along quietly. Along comes the layabout, who sits down, makes himself comfortable, drinks a couple of beer, all the time making grunting and puffing noises in time to the work.

    At the end of the day, the woodcutter goes to collect his wages from the village clerk. The layabout tags along. Then, just as the bag of coins is brought out, he pipes up, "Hey, I'm entitled to half of that, because I did half the work. I made all the sounds."

    The clerk says, "Right then, let's be fair. I'll count it out." And he carefully counts it into two piles.

    The coins make a satisfying clinking sound as each pile grows. The layabout rubs his hands in anticipation. Then the clerk gathers the two piles together and gives the lot to the woodcutter, who cheerfully departs.

    "Hey, what about my share?", says the layabout.

    The clerk replies, "You've just been paid in full. You made only the sound of work, and so you have received only the sound of payment."

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  8. Sadly.. by EvilStein · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I wonder if this case would have gotten as much press if Righthaven didn't rile up Democrats & bloggers by suing Democratic Underground. They had sued several other bloggers before this, but the DU lawsuit is what really riled people up and got this in the news.

    They also went after emtcity.com, a forum run by a retired EMT. He has limited resources and this has been financially (and emotionally) draining. All because ONE forum user posted a few paragraphs from an article and linked to the article.

    Righthaven is the worst kind of troll. And I hope the Las Vegas Review Journal staff are utterly disgusted with themselves.

  9. Re:nothing changed, really by SmlFreshwaterBuffalo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    (hand written letter usually gets better result.)

    Clearly, you've never seen my handwriting.