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High Tech Elder Care May Be Mixed Blessing

Hugh Pickens writes "Gerontologists say 'aging in place' vastly improves the quality of life for seniors, and is a lot cheaper for society than group homes and institutions. The trick is to do so without jeopardizing the health and safety of older people, which is why 480 people are taking part in pilot programs in Portland, Oregon that outfit homes with technology so elderly people can be monitored for illness or infirmity. With the first wave of baby boomers turning 65 this year, corporations such as Intel see lucrative new business opportunities tending to a generation of people accustomed to doing things their own way. As part of a test, Dorothy Rutherford's two-bedroom condominium has been outfitted with an array of electronic monitoring gear that might eventually find its way to retail shelves. Motion sensors along hallways and ceilings record her gait and walking speed. A monitor on her back door observes when she leaves the house, and another one on the refrigerator keeps tabs on how often she's eating. A special bed laced with sensors can assess breathing patterns, heart rate and general sleep quality, a pill box fitted with electronic switches records when medication is taken, and a Wii video game system has been rejiggered so that players stand on a platform that measures their weight and balance. But there is the downside, as some experts on the aging population worry that making it easier for elderly people to stay in their homes could reduce the incentive for children to visit or could create a false sense that technology can foresee every problem and address every need."

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  1. Re:That's all they could come up with? by hsmyers · · Score: 2

    The second is already true as well as obvious. The first is a stretch on the second in that kids who don't really give a damn in the first place may use the existence of such tech as an excuse to skip checking up on the old folks at home. Truth of the matter is that either the kids care or they don't---such additions to the scene won't make much of a difference. Frankly, when the time came I was much more comfortable visiting my mother at home in surroundings that we were both 'comfortable' in; so anything that contributes to that would be a good thing in my experience.

  2. I see the golden lining by Whuffo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    GE and Intel are lining up for a big suck on the elder care teat. It's nice that some monitor in some remote location will beep when they have a problem - but by the time they get the message, and get a medical team on site (from Wyoming?) it's going to be a bit on the "too late" side. Letting the old folks live out their lives and die at home is a good thing; they'll enjoy a better quality of life and they won't be stuck with crippling medical bills. But I'm having a little trouble figuring out how a few dozen kilobucks worth of GE and Intel stuff is going to do anything to improve their lives. The only winners here are the corporations - with luck, they can get federal healthcare funds to pay for all of it (at properly inflated prices).

    1. Re:I see the golden lining by vlm · · Score: 3, Interesting

      they'll enjoy a better quality of life

      Oddly enough I only see physical health gadgets. No gadgets for mental health at all. You'd think they could have made even a simple token gesture attempt. Perhaps the stereotypical video conferencing solution, or digital picture frames of the grand kids, or something, something at all.

      they won't be stuck with crippling medical bills.

      These corporations are not doing work out of the goodness of their heart, in the style of from each according to their ability and to each according to their need. The whole point of this technological exercise is a DIFFERENT group will be delivering the crippling medical bills, instead of the current group. Is this group any better? Eh, probably, more or less. The good news they aren't getting the negative personal interactions and experiences of a nursing home for awhile longer. The bad news is their only personal interaction now seems to be a Wii-based bathroom scale.

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    2. Re:I see the golden lining by cpu6502 · · Score: 2

      >>>But I'm having a little trouble figuring out how a few dozen kilobucks worth of GE and Intel stuff is going to do anything to improve their lives.

      You can stop your kids from nagging you to move to a nursing home. "Look you little brat. I bought this heart monitor. As soon as I have an attack, it will call 911, plus shock me back to life, so stop bugging me. So stop worrying about me."

      I would sooner die a year or two earlier in my OWN home, then live longer in an elder home. I have the right to make that decision, and if technology can help me do that, even better.

      BTW what's wrong with living by yourself?
      I do that now.
      Don't see the difference if I do it when I'm old.

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    3. Re:I see the golden lining by Luckyo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Most of the elderly have a problem with their kids not visiting them nearly enough, and their mental health suffering greatly from loneliness as a result. I would know, I worked in elder care on a summer job and being the only guy I actually didn't have to wash/take care of person hygiene of anyone in spite of that being one of the main tasks.

      Know why? Because I was the only young guy who applied and got the job, and my main job consisted of just going to old men's places and talking to them or doing some heavy lifting for them. Frankly, I think that's also what put a lot of thing in perspective for me back then - I was a young kid, and seeing just how lonely these people were on a personal level taught me to really appreciate my own life. Because when it was pretty damn obvious that for those months I worked there, the person's high point of the day was my 15-minute visit to deliver him the newspaper and food, and chat him up to see how things are makes you really appreciate how good your own life is even in the angsty late teen period.

      Sometimes I think that maybe a mandatory service for all youth a la conscription to work at a elderly care for a few months or a year would be a good thing, and not just for the system.

    4. Re:I see the golden lining by Manatra · · Score: 2

      There is a lot of research going into mental health gadgets as well. It's just that they're a bit tougher to make since they involve a lot of stuff related to machine learning and artificial intelligence. One of my Professor's at the University of Waterloo has been working on a system using off the shelf parts to help Alzheimer's sufferers be more independent in their home and thus help lessen the burden that typically falls on their children to care after them. I'm talking things such as reminding a sufferer a step in the hand washing process if they forget it. Of course, everyone has different patterns and has varying levels of "annoyance" thresholds, etc. which makes fine tuning the system hard, hence the machine learning part.

      You can check out some of his work here: http://www.cs.uwaterloo.ca/~jhoey/research/coach/index.php

    5. Re:I see the golden lining by cpu6502 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      One problem with our society is that we build our relationships around work.
      Once we retire, the work friendships disappear, and people are left with nothing. Back during the agrarian age, our friendships were mostly local neighbors who were always present right upto death.

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  3. I want more accurate glucose monitoring by Shivetya · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My mother has been diabetic for thirty plus years. Currently she uses a pump which has a sensor system which can partially measure her glucose level. It is not terribly accurate and has to be calibrated a lot. She is still required to test her blood sugar levels a few times a day as she is NOT allowed to rely on the sensor readings for accuracy. If she gets very low at night it beeps then eventually vibrates. So it can at least determine relative levels of glucose and report the direction its going but they are not convenient. The sensor has to be changed every three days (they are not cheap) and there is a decent failure rate.

    So what am I getting at. I like the direction this is going and I do not believe it will make a nation of shut ins or have families feel as if they can ignore their elders. If they are going to ignore their elders (parents) then they will regardless of what technology does. If anything this might help keep them in contact more often because like the article states you can be told if mom took her medicine, if she is eating regularly. I would not mind a monitoring system which could alert on emergencies because that is the real point of all this monitoring - we cannot be there 24x7 but machines can.

    I would certainly be willing to pay for monitoring of my parents health so that emergency persons can be sent when the need arises. Hypoglycemia (low blood sugar) is not something you can recover from unless you catch it quickly. My mother can stay conscious with blood sugar levels in the 40s but when it gets below 60 she acts "silly drunk" and may not realize the trouble she is in. At the same time 500+ in her can be fine but it should be noted because in diabetes one common thing I have found is far too many doctors don't agree on causes or when something is a problem, let alone how to always fix it.

    More monitoring options will add more years of good living. Now this opens up the next problem, paying for all these years. For some of us giving up the little things won't be hard for the big things in life.

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  4. The problem... by frozentier · · Score: 2

    The problem isn't that workers don't know the patients are sick. That's why a person is in a nursing home in the first place, because they have something wrong with them that makes it impossible to care for themselves. The problem is that workers in some of these places get complacent, and let the elderly lie in one spot for days at a time until they get bed sores, or let them lay in their own excrement, or make them suffer in other ways just because it's too inconvenient to fulfill their needs. Unfortunately neither this technology nor any other is going to fix that.

    1. Re:The problem... by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And also it isn't like the families don't try to do what they can, it simply gets overwhelming and you end up with no choice. I'm probably gonna have to send my mom to a home next week. I hate to do it, I really do, but she has fallen six times in 4 weeks, the last one cracked her head and the first one broke 6 ribs. You simply can't stay up 24/7 to watch them like a hawk and when it is just me and the two boys and the oldest is in college? As I said nobody can stay awake forever.

      The biggest bitch is all the docs can tell me is what it isn't. It isn't her heart, her liver is working, etc. gee thanks, that really helps. It still doesn't explain why a 68 year old woman was perfectly fine, doing her own shopping, cooking her own meals, etc and then within 24 hours is having "spells" where she just rambles like a mad woman and when she walks sometimes it is like cutting the strings on a puppet. I mean no warning, no her legs are getting weak and giving out, I mean it literally looks like a ragdoll puppet that the strings were cut, she doesn't even make a sound or try to catch herself, she just takes a header.

      Of course when she is having a spell you can't tell her she shouldn't try walking alone, that just makes her angry and along with the sudden personality switches and mood swings freaks the hell out of the boys especially after losing their mom to cancer in 07. Finally trying to deal with her affairs and keep the family home, that my oldest will end up dropping out of med school to try to keep because he'll be damned if he loses the home his grandpa built and the place where his mom grew up, while my GF is having to live 250 miles away because of HER elderly relative (her dad) having a heart attack so he can't be left alone, the stress is frankly driving me into an early grave. The lack of sleep and constantly trying to make ever more money while spending as much time with her as possible (because shit for the elderly sure as fuck ain't cheap) has got me eating aspirin by the handful to deal with the chest pains which is nothing but stress I'm sure. hell I cracked a tooth a few weeks back dragging a case down from a shelf and I can't even get the damned painful bitch fixed as I'm spending money like shit through a goose trying to keep her place and mine too.

      So it isn't like most of us just want to dump our family on the state, we just end up without any choice in the matter. As I said docs don't have a fricking clue, we can't afford live in help so that we can actually sleep, and even as we speak she is in the hospital from her last fall so we can't just leave her be for a few hours because she will end up trying to go to the bathroom by herself and splitting her head open. So all I can do is hope the local nursing home doesn't suck, because with more than 25k owed on her house and trying to deal with everything else I just can't do anymore. A man can only stay awake for so long, ya know?

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    2. Re:The problem... by CptNerd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You need to get your mother to a neurologist ASAP. It sounds like she's having transient ischemic attacks, which some call "mini-strokes". My mom had them before she had her real strokes, including the one that ended her life. TIAs can cause all kinds of physical and mental problems, which pass as the brain manages to work around the minor damage, but which have cumulative effects.

      I had to help my Mom take care of my Dad when he had Alzheimers, we managed to take care of him at home until almost the end, but it did get to the point where we couldn't handle the stress and the medical problems any more. We ended up putting him in a dismal hellhole of a "home" where he lasted about 3 months before the last medical emergency.

      I never married and have no kids, so I'm used to living alone, but it sure would be nice to have things that can help me once I start getting to the point of needing help lifting or walking, or remembering, for example.

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  5. subject by Legion303 · · Score: 2

    If your children are only visiting you because they're afraid you might be dead, you need better children.

    On the flip side, if they're only visiting because they're hoping you're dead, you should have been a better parent.

    1. Re:subject by timeOday · · Score: 2

      If your children are only visiting you because they're afraid you might be dead, you need better children.

      Easy to say. In reality, people often live thousands of miles from their parents, the decline of old age takes decades, and the "kids" are middle-aged and dealing with divorces, troubled teens, illness, unemployment - all the usual junk that derails up the life we envisioned.

  6. Re:Vast improvement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Now, you're on to something.

    The irritating part of all this, the main goals is to reduce costs, not improve lives or reduce the need for qualified personnel.

    I agree and disagree: we have to reduce costs. We have to ask ourselves if keeping grandpa alive for another week (unconscious or in sever pain or zonked out of his gourd ) is really benefiting him. We need to get away from the idea that any extension of life at all cost is worth it. We live and we die - we as a society need to accept that.

    As far as reducing costs - how about the medical suppliers lesson their margins? They use the excuse that government regulations and litigation makes them charge so much, but it's an exaggeration. They pass the cost of all that and a few hundred percent markup - I've been there, I've seen it.

    If you follow the money of the folks who lobby against any Government health care you always end up with the insurance, drug and medical supply companies. Isn't that interesting?

    The way to deal with all this is to have medical costs much more transparent. For any medical treatment, procedure or anything, just try to get a price. You can't. Medical prices are so obfuscated, people just don't have any idea what things really cost and therefore, they have this cost is no object mentality.

    I for one do NOT want to burden my family with a long drawn out illness - financially or emotionally.

  7. High tech care relative to human care by Kjella · · Score: 2

    High tech care may be a mixed blessing, but what we do know for certain is that human care will get worse. The ratio of working population to retirees will change a lot over the next 30 years, Already nurses and home aid are on the stop watch, you can't make it that much more effective to matter. Meanwhile a lot of the industry has gone from making a thousand to a million units with robots, automation and computers. A gadget will be getting cheaper and cheaper while human time gets more and more expensive. Politicians can lie as much as they like but looking at the fundamentals you see that it is inevitable.

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  8. Robot nurses by trout007 · · Score: 2

    Can they program these robots to steal the old persons valuables too?

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  9. Roujin Z by Drathos · · Score: 2

    Upon seeing the headline, my first thought was of Roujin Z.

    I guess that's for when they can't get by on their own and simple monitoring won't do.

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  10. Re:'aging in place' is cheaper? by sourcerror · · Score: 2

    The problem with multigenerational homes, is that the elderly often feel they have right to control the life of their adult children.

  11. Re:Vast improvement by nido · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We have to ask ourselves if keeping grandpa alive for another week (unconscious or in sever pain or zonked out of his gourd ) is really benefiting him.

    My one grandfather got a pacemaker/defibrillator circa 2003. It had a defective battery, and his cardiologist replaced it circa 2007.

    Grandma passed away in 2005, and by 2007 Grandpa was mostly ready to go himself. But his Cardiologist saw "low battery", Medicare and United Healthcare were covering the $50k for the replacement pacemaker, and by that point Grandpa was just along for the ride.

    He went anemic ~2 weeks after the replacement surgery. I took him to the hospital, where they found a bleeding tumor in his stomach. He started hospice care later that week, and lived for another 2 years (hospice care was good to Grandpa - we think he liked the attention).

    Medical prices are so obfuscated, people just don't have any idea what things really cost and therefore, they have this cost is no object mentality.

    I think it's more, "if someone else is paying, why should I care what it costs?"

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  12. Please ... by PPH · · Score: 2

    ... an alarm to warn the neighborhood when grandpa fires up his Cadillac.

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    1. Re:Please ... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny

      ... an alarm to warn the neighborhood when grandpa fires up his Cadillac.

      Just remove the muffler.

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  13. Re:'aging in place' is cheaper? by russotto · · Score: 2

    The problem with multigenerational homes, is that the elderly often feel they have right to control the life of their adult children.

    Same goes when the elderly aren't at home. That's a pretty large reason their adult children don't visit. It seems to be difficult for parents to treat their children as responsible adults, regardless of their absolute age.

  14. Re:That's all they could come up with? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2

    Indeed, for anyone who would use "the technology cares for you" as an excuse not to come, "the people working in your retirement home are caring for you" is an even better excuse. Especially if they can add "and you have also so many other people living there to talk to."

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