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Skype Execs Purged On Eve of MS Takeover

jfruhlinger writes "You might think that the executive team that engineered a lucrative buyout for their company would be rewarded. But eight execs from Skype instead found themselves fired just before their company was formally taken over by Microsoft. It appears that this move isn't meddling from Redmond; rather, the private equity firm that owns a 70 percent stake in Skype wanted to cut back on the payout to company execs that would normally accompany this kind of transaction."

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  1. Ah, but I wanted to blame Microsoft by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Funny

    It appears that this move isn't meddling from Redmond

    There must be SOME way I can blame this on evil Microsoft. Were the fired execs open source, by any chance?

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    1. Re:Ah, but I wanted to blame Microsoft by Enry · · Score: 2

      They wouldn't have been fired if MSFT didn't buy Skype?

    2. Re:Ah, but I wanted to blame Microsoft by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 2

      I like it better like this, I would've hated to give MS credit for firing a bunch of the overpaid freeloading bastards.

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    3. Re:Ah, but I wanted to blame Microsoft by captain_sweatpants · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You must not have noticed the reference to them being executives.

    4. Re:Ah, but I wanted to blame Microsoft by s73v3r · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So some other overpaid freeloading bastards (The VCs) fired some other overpaid, freeloading bastards (The Execs)?

    5. Re:Ah, but I wanted to blame Microsoft by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 2

      There must be SOME way I can blame this on evil Microsoft. Were the fired execs open source, by any chance?

      It would appear so... they definitely got forked!

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    6. Re:Ah, but I wanted to blame Microsoft by Zeek40 · · Score: 2

      At least VC's are taking risks and stand to actually lose money if they screw up and invest in a crappy company. Executives are obscenely overpaid if they don't screw up and eve if they do screw up and drive the company into the ground, their "punishment" for doing their job so poorly is generally a multi-million dollar golden parachute.

    7. Re:Ah, but I wanted to blame Microsoft by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

      Yes because all executives are freeloaders. Jack Welch was a free loader, the head guys at Google are free loaders, etc.

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    8. Re:Ah, but I wanted to blame Microsoft by toppavak · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, but it would have been possible for them to make a lot more money out of the process if they were fired afterwards. Typically stock paid to execs have to vest over a period for ex. every year 20% of your stock vests over 5 years. If the execs were not fully vested, the acquisition event would have triggered an instant vest clause and they could have cashed out on their entire package. If they were fired before the acquisition, any stock that had not yet vested would simply be lost, reducing the total amount of stock Skype had issued and increasing the value of the stock held by the equity firms. They were stabbed in the back by their own financiers- not an uncommon occurrence. It serves you well to vette the VCs you work with every bit as much as they're going to vette you.

  2. The invisible hand of captialism by Pope · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Always seems to be carrying a very sharp sword.

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    1. Re:The invisible hand of captialism by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 2

      I'm curious how you imagine that world to be.

      It's not like we don't have an open source version of near every kind of software Microsoft makes.

      In the sense that no one would sink the resources that Microsoft has into developing the likes of a Windows or an Office if it was completely legal for everyone to just directly copy it? Yeah, that's probably true -- but then the free closest equivalents we have today probably wouldn't be as far along, in general, either.

    2. Re:The invisible hand of captialism by s73v3r · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, this argument is retarded, as everyone else in the sector enjoys the same protections on their software. Basically, it says, "If I could compete with Microsoft by selling their OS, Microsoft Windows, then they wouldn't be a monopoly." Basically saying that, if you could just clone their software and compete with them by selling the same thing, yet you without all the R&D costs that Microsoft put into it, then there'd be "competition".

      This also completely ignores the fact that Microsoft forced a bunch of OEMs to pay them royalties on all computers, even those without Windows, in blatant violation of all anti-trust laws and anti-competition laws. Face it, Microsoft became a monopoly of their own doing, not by being propped up by "government."

    3. Re:The invisible hand of captialism by Dorkmaster+Flek · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because physical property is naturally scarce. If I'm using a plot of land, you can't use the same plot of land. Hence, we have a conflict that physical property law resolves. Intellectual property has no built-in scarcity. In fact, IP laws actually create artificial scarcity where none exists.

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    4. Re:The invisible hand of captialism by The+Great+Pretender · · Score: 4, Informative
      "It appears that this move isn't meddling from Redmond; rather, the private equity firm that owns a 70 percent stake in Skype wanted to cut back on the payout to company execs that would normally accompany this kind of transaction."

      I'll let you into a secret, they knew, probably got paid well and Microsoft were in on it.

      1) As an exec in company like this you come in with a contract that has all departure routes covered, outside being fired for cause. It's standard practice and if you didn't require it, you wouldn't be doing that job. So yes, they were made whole and that means a lot of cash, probably a chunk of equity prior to the sale.

      2) Microsoft negotiated the options for the buy out and that means assessing and pruning the management at Skype, before the sale. Skype didn't just futz with the company on the eve of the sale. Removing the folks MS don't want before the sale takes the focus off of MS for clearing out who it doesn't want. It would be a negotiated point.

      3) My guess is that these execs are M&A (Mergers and Acquisition) specialists. They were likely specifically bought in to engineer something like this. So they've done their job and they'll move on to the next.

      You don't sell/buy something for $8.5 billion and not talk about everything. Trust me, everybody knew way before now who was staying, who was leaving and how much money they were going to make.

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    5. Re:The invisible hand of captialism by darjen · · Score: 2

      Contracts could be enforced on a voluntary basis.

    6. Re:The invisible hand of captialism by strabo · · Score: 2

      3) My guess is that these execs are M&A (Mergers and Acquisition) specialists. They were likely specifically bought in to engineer something like this. So they've done their job and they'll move on to the next.

      Doesn't look that way, but I agree on all of your other points.

      The departures included David Gurle, vice president and general manager for Skype for Business; Don Albert, vice president and general manager for the Americas and Advertising; Doug Bewsher, chief marketing officer; Christopher Dean, head of consumer market business development; Russ Shaw, vice president and general manager; and Anne Gillespie, head of human resources. Two executives who joined Skype following its acquisition earlier this year of video-sharing utility Qik have also left. They are Qik founder Ramu Sunkara and senior vice president Allyson Campa.

    7. Re:The invisible hand of captialism by yarnosh · · Score: 2

      A better question in that case is - would the industry as a whole be more advanced than now, or would it be less advanced?

      I don't think we know.

      Without government protection of intellectual property, how would the companies protect their stuff?

      Maybe they wouldn't. If it was generally accepted that nobody can own an idea, maybe companies would shamlessly copy each other and all advancement would be based on that. You'd be driven by making someone else's idea better and then they would in turn build on your innovations. I saw an interesting lecture (TED, maybe?) about how this works in the fashion industry. In fashion, designs are not protected and what happens is that you develop a culture where you build off of other people rather than trying to "protect your stuff." I could see technology moving just as fast if not faster if companies couldn't rest on their laurels... if they always had to be innovating to stay one step a head of the copy-cats. And you certainly wouldn't have mega corps/monopolies like MSFT because they rely so heavily on intellectual property rights to maintain their dominance.

      On the downside, I think the world would look a lot like Linux, extremely fragmented despite plenty of open standards. You wouldn't have any one company providing a coherent vision. JUst a bunch of smaller groups vying for dominance or at least a small piece of mind share.

      Either way, I think the technology landscape would be very different. And it isn't valid to try to take the existing landscape and simply apply the new rules to it because obviously many companies would flat out fail without intellectual property protection. The question is: What if intellectual property had never been enforced in the first place?

      A shit-load of DRM?

      Sure, companies could implement some protections as they do now against copying. It might go against the above mentioend culture shift, but it is not outside of their rights. I think you'd see more software become a service rather than a product.

      No open standards?

      The opposite. Technology would be based on open standards. THere might be more, redundant standards, but they'd be open. Look at Linux packages, for example. All open, but no one to rule them all.

  3. Fired? by lymond01 · · Score: 3, Informative

    The spokeswoman declined to say whether the eight executives were laid off or resigned.

    Someone knows something not in the linked article?

    1. Re:Fired? by eln · · Score: 4, Insightful

      At the executive level, "fired", "resigned", and "laid off" all mean the same thing. At any rate, even if they didn't have golden parachutes as part of their employment contracts (and they're idiots if they didn't), I'm sure they have plenty of stock and stock options to dry their tears with.

    2. Re:Fired? by yurtinus · · Score: 2

      ...or go a long way to breaking the backs of businesses that really do need to downsize and scale back production to stay alive. Instead of having a handful of unemployed from a business, you would see the entire business fold. The entire idea of a golden parachute is a poison pill. Top level execs get them simply because they have the power to do so. And you know... if I had formed a business, you can be damn sure I'd do the same if for no other reason than to help me keep the business I built.

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  4. when the victims of corporate psychopaths by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Insightful

    are other corporate psychopaths, it's hard to feel sympathy

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    1. Re:when the victims of corporate psychopaths by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 2

      Exactamundo!

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    2. Re:when the victims of corporate psychopaths by DontBlameCanada · · Score: 5, Interesting

      IMHO, the only thing worse than execs of of a corp getting paid off at the expense of employees during a take over, is when a nameless venture cap org does.

      We don't know the whole story, but if venture cap nuked execs (that might possibly have been instrumental in making the company successful) to increase their own take, that is *WORSE*.

    3. Re:when the victims of corporate psychopaths by twidarkling · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why? At least VCs actually do something with the cash. Invest it in other places to make more money. C*Os tend to simply sit in a company and get rich. Sometimes they move to other companies that are already established and get rich. Very rarely do they take that money and knowledge and make something new to make money with.

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    4. Re:when the victims of corporate psychopaths by DontBlameCanada · · Score: 3, Insightful

      C*O's of start ups or young companies typically aren't fat cats who siphon cash while contributing zero. A small corp will quickly die off as all jobs, from ground floor peons to the CEO are important.

      C*Os of established corps can indeed be fat cats. Established revenue streams, customers, large enough assert hoards to give a company viability via inertia for more than 4 quarters. Inattention and self-serving proclamations that don't result in immediate corporate implosion, can thrive in that environment.

      VC's exist to generate return on investment for their major partners. Some act as angels, but most promise x% return on investment to their patrons. If the VC is short on promise #s, they will take the short term personal gain over the long term health of the entity they are selling.

  5. Corporate Sleeze by DaMattster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That is a really slimy thing to do. However, usually the little guy gets hurt in mergers and aquisitions so I, in some ways, am happy to have the upper echelon get a taste of it. I think these executives that got affected might consider the smaller guys in their future roles, perish the thought.

    1. Re:Corporate Sleeze by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      I suspect that they will consider them, since the lesson here would appear to be "finish doing unto others a bit faster next time, or others will do unto you."

  6. Investor greed trumps the executive's greed by kenh · · Score: 2

    "You might think that the executive team that engineered a lucrative buyout for their company would be rewarded. But eight execs from Skype instead found themselves fired just before their company was formally taken over by Microsoft. It appears that this move isn't meddling from Redmond; rather, the private equity firm that owns a 70 percent stake in Skype wanted to cut back on the payout to company execs that would normally accompany this kind of transaction."

    I can't see how it was reasonable to expect that either side of this transaction would want to "reward" those that "engineered a lucrative buy-out" - either it costs the investors money (why give up money you don't have to?) or the buyer will be mad at the people that increased the price of your aqusition (why reward someone for driving up your cost?).

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  7. Interesting... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Ordinarily, even pathetic, abject failure verging on negligence isn't enough to get the People Who Matter sacked. These private equity guys must have some epic level suits on staff, if they are able to rightsize executives as though they were mere peons...

    1. Re:Interesting... by TheSpoom · · Score: 2, Informative

      Please don't use the word "rightsize". It's just insulting all around. They were fired.

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  8. Shed no tears for them. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 5, Informative
    These guys are big fish, swimming with the sharks. For example Gurle joined in Jan 2010. Just 18 months with the company. All the fired ones seem to be the MBA types who move in just to dress the company up for sale or IPO. Not the founders and early grunts who toil in garages and warehouses during the very early days living on pizza, sleeping in the office, desperately churning out code on a shoe string budget, not knowing if they can make pay roll next month.

    These suits ate little fish in their time. They got eaten by bigger fish. They will again start eating little fish once again. Just stay out of their jaws, if you can.

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    1. Re:Shed no tears for them. by PPH · · Score: 2

      I'll shed no tears. Primarily because people at these levels typically negotiate personal services contracts rather than employment at will. And any smart attorney will include language to lock in benefits (or a suitable termination fee) in the event any change in ownership is impending.

      The founders and early employees will probably get Microsoft stock. For that, they will shed tears. I'll be ROTFLMA.

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  9. Don't feel bad, dear managers by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You know, every time a takeover happens some people get fired.

    I am delighted to see that for a change it happens to you.

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  10. Re:I smell ... by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

    Not that the executives can't sue but they normally have contract that may allow the company to do these things. However the details of the contracts are important. The articles seem to suggest that by removing these execs, the parent company saves a lot of money as the executive stock options that the execs would have gotten either go back to the company for free or extremely reduced cost. That is, unless the contracts stipulate other terms.

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  11. Reading into it? by DaScribbler · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This submission, and the article referenced to, read entirely differently.

    Where exactly does it say they were fired?

  12. Agreed by gr8_phk · · Score: 2

    It appears that this move isn't meddling from Redmond; rather, the private equity firm that owns a 70 percent stake in Skype wanted to cut back on the payout to company execs that would normally accompany this kind of transaction.

    If the situation is what the summary suggests, the execs will sue them and the investor will end up paying legal fees AND whatever their obligation would have been had they not been fired.

  13. mergers are statistically bad for everyone by smoothnorman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A wise old CEO wheezed unto me: "A merger is a risk to everyone except one of the two CEOs - to everyone else it is a danger". Mergers reduce competition, so the market loses; mergers cost stockholders, at least in the short-run; mergers are engines of redundancy so it's a threat to all the employees. The only possible virtual gain is an investors' promise of less competition in the marketplace. Almost everyone loses. So the next time you read: "Massive-corp to buy out Macro-corp!" try not to cheer for the two original owners who get their one-time lottery prize, but instead pause in lament for the majority and progress in general.

  14. Re:and the next step is.... by ArcherB · · Score: 2

    ...cue litigation in ...1...2...3...

    Countdown fail!

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  15. So... by PrimeNumber · · Score: 2

    What this basically means is the same type of executives that outsource operations and employees, needlessly eliminating thousands of positions at high tech companies for "cost cutting" purposes aka bonuses -- these very people are surprised they are being treated the same way by another greedy group of managers and money-men ?!

  16. Well said. by Benfea · · Score: 2

    Because of our corrupt campaign finance system, neither Republicans nor Democrats will enforce the anti-trust laws. So we have constant mergers reducing the number of players competing in every market, but no force actively breaking up larger companies into smaller companies to apply pressure in the other direction.

    The net result is less competition, and I shouldn't have to remind you that competition is the engine that drives a capitalist system.

  17. Whole team? by siriuskase · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What matter is whether they were the whole team, half the team. or deadwood statues of the team.

    It's hard for outsiders to recognize the deadwood, and it's hard for insiders to fire their friends. Sometimes takeover time is a good time for insiders to let the outsiders clean house. Is this what happened or was the whole team let go?? This is something that an outside observer can figure just by visiting the parking lot.

    Who cares if the were laid off. They are out in either case. Unless they turned into contractors.

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  18. A new kind of evil? by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now we blame everything on Apple..... and sometimes google.

    Not everything, just the moderate amount of evil that isn't actually Microsoft's fault. Most of it can be fairly blamed on Apple, but this one kind of falls through the cracks. It's evil, but can't really be blamed on Microsoft or Apple or Adobe or Oracle (the usual gang of malefactors), Google haters are utterly stumped, and it's not even patent or DRM style evil.

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