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If You're Working For Stock, Read the Fine Print

cratermoon writes with a story of interest to anyone interested in working at a start-up, or compensated even partly in company stock: "Former Skype guy Yee Lee finds out that for people working at companies controlled by private equity firm Silver Lake, 'vested' doesn't mean what you think it means, and gets no money from the stock options he thought he could exercise. 'Skype spokesman Brian O'Shaughnessy said, "You've got to be in it to win it. The company chose to include that clause in the contract in order to retain the best and the brightest people to build great products. This individual chose to leave, therefore he doesn't get that benefit."' Fortune also has the story." Some of the commentary on the confusing language surrounding the stock grant says the company was doing nothing out of the ordinary, but it seems that's because opaque language is the norm.

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  1. The profit is the profit by alphatel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You are the employee and you cost money. The profit is already money and therefor that is what is protected. If you want to assure you will be protected, read what you sign. Everyone wants to keep their slice of the pie. Every slice costs money. And even worse, lawyers will be making a piece from each part of the action.

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  2. ...opaque language is the norm. by John+Hasler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It wouldn't be if you people would quit signing things you don't understand.

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    1. Re:...opaque language is the norm. by v1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The 11-page stock option agreement he signed looked to him like boiler plate and suggested a typical "one-year cliff" at which point 25 percent of his four-year option grant would vest. The only mention that the company had the right to buy if he left in less than five years came in a single sentence toward the end of the document that referred him to yet another document, which he never bothered to read.

      It's easy to tell someone "be sure to completely read what you sign", until the day someone sets a 45 page or otherwise excessive amount of fine print in front of you, summarizes it, and asks you to sign it. Try buying a house. If you're really going to read the entire stack of morgage papers, you're going to need a few days. And there's no chance in hell you're going to catch anything shady like the above unless you have a lawyer there the entire time, and you can bet that's going to be an expensive few days.

      This one pulled a double-shaft on him... the offending bit of legalese wasn't even in the document he signed. It was something like a "this agreement also includes stipulations covered in a different document". He couldn't possibly have caught that even with a lawyer reading over his shoulder, without taking a break and doing research and chasing down the additional paperwork (that he wasn't even provided with at the time of signing) that it was binding him to. That's about as far into "dirty pool" as fine print can get.

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    2. Re:...opaque language is the norm. by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you're really going to read the entire stack of morgage papers, you're going to need a few days

      Heaven forbid someone take a few days to read and understand the terms of such a large loan and purchase. It's not like people spend a large fraction of their lives repaying a mortgage. It's not like people might have to deal with the mortgage rate changing on them a few years down the line.

      And there's no chance in hell you're going to catch anything shady like the above unless you have a lawyer there the entire time, and you can bet that's going to be an expensive few days.

      We're not talking about buying a laptop, we are talking about buying a house. Yes, I would want to have a lawyer look over the contract before I agree to repay hundreds of thousands of dollars to the bank.

      the offending bit of legalese wasn't even in the document he signed

      So he should have either asked for the document that the contract referenced.

      He couldn't possibly have caught that

      Yes he could have, if he had actually read what he was signing. He did not read it, he just assumed that he could work at Skype for a year or so and then jump ship, like he had done nine times beforehand. Why are we feeling sorry for this guy?

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    3. Re:...opaque language is the norm. by Culture20 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you're hiring someone, and he says "let me call my lawyer", don't you get a knot in your stomach, like maybe this guy likes to sue a lot? Who calls their lawyer over an ordinary job contract (I've actually never signed a job contract; I've just been given confirmation of what I'll receive in return for my work)? Maybe he's planning on suing this company once he's hired? Maybe he's planning on suing this company for not hiring him? Maybe he's planning to slip and fall in the meeting room?

    4. Re:...opaque language is the norm. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Same here. I don't think it took more than half a day to read everything. The contract of sale was only 3 pages, the mortgage agreement was 4. The leasehold agreement was the longest, but since I was also buying the freehold, making the leasehold agreement an agreement between me and myself, it was somewhat moot (yes, British law is weird). I read it anyway though, just in case.

      When you're borrowing an amount of money that's measured in multiples of your average income, and buying something that costs even more, you'd be absolutely insane to sign without reading it in detail.

      Actually, the contract my publisher uses for books is a bit more complex than any of the bits of paperwork that I had to sign for my house, and I've never received one of those without sending back a load of complaints about it and getting it amended. I'd expect to do something similar with any contract of employment.

      If I were hiring a CxO, I'd put a clause in the middle of their contract saying that they could be fired for any reason within the first 10 days and would have to pay a $100,000 fee to cover the costs of hiring a replacement if this clause were invoked. If they didn't object to this, I'd fire them on the first day - I wouldn't want someone who didn't read contracts and understand the implications of the terms in a senior management position.

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  3. Been there, done that by mark_reh · · Score: 5, Informative

    I worked for a startup, was given stock options, then the company went public. After about a month my options were worth about $1M on paper but I couldn't exercise them because that would have diluted the company founder's share value as they busily unloaded their shares. In the end I wrote a check for $24k to the IRS and ended up with nearly worthless options while the company founders cashed in and took their millions off to another startup to repeat the process.

    If you're working for stock options you're going to get screwed.

    1. Re:Been there, done that by CodeBuster · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you're working for stock options you're going to get screwed.

      YES! Let this be a warning to all techs and other employees who are offered shares in lieu of pay or other benefits. The lawyers and private equity guys will screw you over. Actually, its worse now than in the past because fewer deals ever go fully public due to the Sarbanes Oxley reporting regulations and bullcrap; who needs it? What VC would want to deal with all of that when the company can instead be sold to a private equity firm, a hedge fund perhaps, with most of the profit still intact? If nothing else, remember what they say in Hollywood: "a share of the net profits is a share of nothing." cash money on the barrelhead...accept no substitutes.

  4. Private options can be diluted on a whim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I was in a startup, had a ton of stock options. CEO sold the company, but just before doing so... he granted himself a million options at a penny strike price. This diluted the shares so that anyone else made $0 because they were worth less than the strike price everyone else had. This was all after working there for years and putting in a lot of OT, and creating a product that gave the company real value it would not have had otherwise.

    True story. I opt for cash now, and will take options if they give them but do not consider them as part of my compensation no matter how much my bosses try to give them to me in lieu of increases.

    1. Re:Private options can be diluted on a whim by HungryHobo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think there's some old quote along the lines of the guy who owns 20% of the company owns exacty as much as the guy who owns 80% wants him to.

      Options without an utterly ironclad shareholders agreement are worth exactly zero.
      Even with one they're barely worth more.

  5. Re:Working for stock options by techsoldaten · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Something tells me, if I were to ask you to read that document, you would not understand it yourself. In all likelihood, your lawyer would not have advised you about the possible implications of that clause since it is simply something that is not done.

    People working for me have left to go to Google several times in the past, we had one black week once where 6 guys left within days of each other, all heading for Google. Not all of them are with that company anymore, and I have heard tell of the offers they received. $120k in stock options granted the first day, with a relatively short vesting period (I think it was about a year, but can't remember exactly).

    This is the way things are supposed to work in Silicon Valley. I am never keen on options, I was granted a good number of them in the 90s and saw a lot of value vanish overnight when the bubble burst. But you should be able to lose value based on performance of the market, but an option is an option. It does not make sense that you are contributing to the growth of the company based on this compensation, and that it can be stripped from you.

    Buyback clauses like this are almost certainly non-enforceable, especially since the employee has to pay taxes on the options during the time of his / her employment (at least in California). It would be like saying that the company has the right to take back your paycheck, they are measured as compensation and should rightfully belong to the employee without additional considerations.

    I have a strong feeling this is not going to stand and we will be hearing about this matter for a long time.

  6. I honestly thought this was common knowledge by tgd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd say at least half the companies I've received options from had clauses just like this. It may not be par for the course with private venture-funded companies, but it sure is close.

    You should always assume that options or common shares of private companies are going to be worthless to you. Never include them in your compensation evaluation. Even if you are in a company that lets you keep options without buyback if you leave, you still have common stock and they can play games and absorb the equity event's value entirely or almost entirely in the preferred shares. Or they can recapitalize the company prior to acquisition, re-issue stock to existing employees and investors and cut the rest out.

    Making money off an equity event in a private company is like winning the lottery. Pretty nice if it happens, but you're not being rational about it if you think you're going to win just because you played.

  7. Re:Working for stock options by Hazel+Bergeron · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why am I supposed to feel sorry for someone who failed to read and understand the terms of the contract that he signed?

    Empathy block - check.

    Assumption that all humans are perfect rational entities - check.

    Supremacy of the business contract - check.

    Internet Libertarian Warrior mode engaged!

  8. Contracts are 1-way only if you don't negiotate by Spril · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When I bought my house, I read through everything, and there were three places where I requested changes to the contracts. In each case, they made the change on the spot. When I was hired for one job, I said the non-compete agreement was insane, pointed out where, and the boss tore it up on the spot. Once I was hired, he asked me to help re-write it to something more reasonable. If you don't read before signing, you're still responsible.

  9. Re:Winning at all costs? by GreatBunzinni · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What strikes me as odd in that astonishing comment is that, without the stock option (which was instrumental in keeping those same brilliant people employed at that company), what else is there to "win"? The paycheck, which everyone can easily get from any company, or only the shaft which they are giving to their loyal employees? In fact, thanks to this dick move, does anyone believe that working for skype, or any company which private equity firm Silver Lake comes close to, is now something to dream about? Obviously not. They just demonstrated that skype managers are filled with contempt regarding their employees and that private equity firm Silver Lake is there just to screw even their mothers if it makes them a penny richer.

    Another thing that strikes me as odd is that, according to the public statement, one of the reasons they did that is to stop employees from leaving their job. This is terribly insulting, even to the most hardcore neoliberal capitalist out there. This is sociopathy. They are actually stealing their employees income with the expectation that if they are poor enough they will be forced to stay in a job they hate because, being so poorly paid, if they quit their job they will face the risk of bankruptcy. Talk about grade-A psychopaths.

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