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Time To Close the Security Theater

An anonymous reader writes "An editorial at Forbes calls for the dismantling of the TSA, pointing to recent headlines as the latest examples of 'security theater' at its worst. From the article: 'The problem isn't that the TSA is harassing the wrong people. The problem is that the TSA is harassing anyone. The TSA is encroaching on fundamental liberties and providing no discernable benefit. ... Naturally, the TSA responds to incidents like these by saying that the agents are highly trained and that they have followed proper procedure. This indicates a signal failing for the agency: if "doing it by the book" involves touching people in ways that would be considered sexual assault in virtually any other context or telling a 90-year old breast cancer survivor to remove her bra lest it contain explosives (as happened to a friend's grandmother), then the book needs to be shredded and rewritten. Better yet, it needs to be replaced with a competitive market for air travel in which the airports, the airways, and the airliners are in private hands. Some might object that private firms will have incentives to cut corners on safety. It is a legitimate concern, but competitive mechanisms tend to weed this out.'"

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  1. It is a jobs program. Doesn't actually do anything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Security theater. Education theater. Infrastructure theater.

    And near impossible to get rid of once established.

    I would bet you will see TSA checkpoints on street corners before we get rid of this cancer at airports and train stations.

  2. Re:No amount of security will prevent terrorism by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Incorrect. True security *has* stopped another 9/11.

    That 'security' includes exactly 2 things:

    Reinforced and 'locked' cockpit doors.

    Flight #93 passenger response.

    Those 2 things will prevent another 9/11 from happening. The TSA is preventing bombs 'on' planes which is *not* what 9/11 was. It was using planes as flying missles. Very. Different. Threats.

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  3. Just like Animal Farm.. by HockeyPuck · · Score: 5, Insightful

    All animals are created equal, yet some animals are more equal than others.

    The problem is that those people that created the TSA should have to go through this type of security screening. Make these invasive procedures personal to those in power. They'll have a change of mind when Hillary Clinton, Michelle Obama and Nancy Pelosi are getting groped instead of hearing stories about some random grandmother. Too bad those three women always fly privately. I guess we're all equal under the law unless you get elected to office.

  4. Typical Forbes by sonamchauhan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They're a one-tune-band.

    Private enterprise. Rah Rah Rah. Solution to everything .... blah blah blah... Capitalism, the savior of us all... blah blah blah. privatise airports, roads, the police, fire brigade, army, air, water, everything.... right to property, profit, business efficiency.... Private enterprise. Rah Rah Rah.

  5. Re:It is a jobs program. Doesn't actually do anyth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "but competitive mechanisms tend to weed this out."

    This is just a free market troll. Competitive mechanisms favor the group that cuts costs, reduces quality and undercuts the higher quality competitors. The end result is the dodgy group raising prices sky high once a monopoly has been achieved.

  6. Re:No amount of security will prevent terrorism by BlueToast · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Incorrect. True security *has* stopped another 9/11.

    That 'security' includes exactly 2 things:

    Reinforced and 'locked' cockpit doors.

    Flight #93 passenger response.

    Those 2 things will prevent another 9/11 from happening. The TSA is preventing bombs 'on' planes which is *not* what 9/11 was. It was using planes as flying missles. Very. Different. Threats.

    Reinforced and 'locked' cockpit doors are things that should have naturally been implemented into design by common sense. That would be passive security that works on its own without further human intervention after fabrication and production.

  7. Re:No amount of security will prevent terrorism by Warlord88 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The Israel's airport security model is very effective. But it is very difficult to follow in the US. You can google for a number of sources such as this. Excerpt:

    While American and European security procedures rely mainly on technological solutions for screening luggage and passengers, Israel’s security philosophy is based on a mix of advanced detection devices and personal interaction with the passengers.The multi-layer system begins outside Israel’s biggest port of entry — Ben Gurion airport. Cars approaching the terminal are stopped by guards and asked one or two questions, usually about where they are coming from or what is the purpose of their visit. A nervous response, or one revealing an Arab accent, could trigger further scrutiny even before entering the airport.

    When walking into the terminal, visitors pass by another set of security agents searching for passengers behaving suspiciously. The next stop for human evaluation is before the check-in counter, where passengers are required to show their travel documents and answer a series of seemingly standard questions from trained security personnel. (Did you pack your bags by yourself? How long did you spend in Israel? What was the purpose of your visit?) Screeners are interested more in the tone and body language than in the content of passengers’ replies.

    This is also the point where profiling takes place: While most Jewish Israeli citizens will be waved through after the brief conversation, others, mainly Israeli Arabs and non-Jewish visitors, will be taken aside for lengthy questioning and a thorough luggage and physical check.

  8. Re:No amount of security will prevent terrorism by kmdrtako · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
            -- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

  9. Re:False dichotomy by Smidge204 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The TSA has done no better and no worse than pre-9/11 airport security in terms of hijacking/terrorist attempts.

    But it has had a noticeable, negative impact on traveler experience, dignity and basic rights both legal and social. I'm hardly anything approaching a"free-market" advocate but what we have now does nothing but cost taxpayers money. I have no problem paying taxes in general but I'd at least like to see some tangible benefit from it, y'know? We can go back to "normal" airport security and put that money towards investigative efforts where it will actually do some good.

    Let's be honest, if a terrorist plot gets to the point where the airport security catches him, we have already failed. Next step is to just blow themselves up while waiting in line to be groped... all the airport security goons in the world couldn't stop that. We don't need the TSA.
    =Smidge=

  10. Re:TSA = Federal Government by frdmfghtr · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Couldn't you just replace TSA with Federal Government in that story?

    Couldn't you all vote to replace the Federal Government if you all really disliked it so much?

    Yes, and we have the opportunity to do so with great regularity: 1/3 of the Senate every two years, the entire House of Representatives every two years, the the President every four years. We, as in the US voters, fail to re-elect a new government with equal regularity. Even with in-the-sewer approval ratings, Congressional incumbents tend to enjoy a remarkable re-election rate (I've seen figure in excess of 90%).

    I worked with a guy who had the right idea: whomever the incumbent is, vote for the challenger. Don't worry about party affiliation, they're both essentially the same anyway. The effect on the Senate would be less dramatic then the House, since only 1/3 of the Senators are up for re-election at the same time. Can you imagine a House of Representatives where all 435 members were replaced at the same time?

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  11. Re:False dichotomy by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why shouldn't we revert to the system we had before? The only reason that the 9/11 hijackers were successful was because the passengers on three of the four planes assumed that they would be flown to some destination such as Cuba, negotiations would be conducted, the hijackers would release the passengers for some consideration and the passengers would be flown to the destination of their choice. The only harm being the loss of several hours to several days.
    Now people know that that outcome is not likely to be the case and they will attempt to overwhelm the hijackers.
    However, my recommendation would be to revert to the basic system we had on 9/11, except that the TSA gets reorganized as security inspectors. The job of the TSA would be to inspect the security procedures of various airlines (including passenger screening) and fine those airlines that failed certain objective standards (such as allowing a gun onto the plane--something the TSA has on several occassions failed to prevent).

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  12. Re:TSA = Federal Government by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A first post AC who has something insightful to say? Color me shocked. The gist of the editorial isn't that the security theater is ineffective, it is that the government shouldn't be groping grandmas when the free market could provide security without having to grope grandmas. This is nothing but the standard trope of "government is evil" mixed with taking advantage of people not understanding security.

    But that's a sham.

    #1 Physical profiling doesn't work. Terrorists would just do dry-runs until they find a combination of people and materials that is outside the profile.
    #2 Behavioral profiling is somewhat better, but requires much more expensive training. It is unlikely to be implemented in all airports.
    #3 This leaves random sampling. In order for random sampling to work, grandmas and babies have to be groped. Otherwise, we're right back at #1.

    Do people have to be groped? Honestly, I'm not up-to-date enough on the latest explosives to know what kind of damage a fake boob or a full diaper's worth of C4 can do to a plane. I'll leave that decision to the experts.

    What I can guarantee you though is that the free market doesn't have a better solution for this? Why? Money.

    There are two ways to pay for it: airports and airlines pay for it, or travelers pay for it.

    If airlines and airports pay for it, the motivation is to keep bringing as many people in as possible - which, since everybody thinks they're innocent and shouldn't be hassled, means a reduction in safety. If individuals pay for it, they'll want to pay for it only when they travel, which is a huge individual expense. The only people able to afford proper security are the wealthy, and at that point, they might as well rent a private jet.

    If the American people want airport security, the only way to do it right is through a government agency that takes a little bit from everybody to provide some expensive security to a small subgroup of people.

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  13. Israeli security by Kupfernigk · · Score: 5, Informative
    Yes.

    So when a colleague of mine went to catch his plane home, and they asked him where was the latest place he visited, he said "I was in a meeting with the Defence Minister".

    So they locked him in a cell with an armed guard outside. After several hours they were persuaded to, you know, actually try the Ministry. Most of whom had gone home. They eventually reached the Defence Minister, who confirmed that indeed Dr X. Y. had been in a meeting with him that morning and had left to catch a plane to the airport.

    Now, you would think that in any civilised country an apology would be in order. Not in Israel. Instead, they refused to speak to him or make eye contact, and eventually almost pushed him onto the plane home without a word of apology.

    This apologia is unwarranted. Israeli security goons are surely no better, no worse than security goons anywhere. There are just far more of them and they search far more people more thoroughly.

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  14. Re:TSA = Federal Government by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If the American people want airport security

    Who says we do? We did pretty well for a few decades without the TSA or a private firm equivalent. Why the hell do we need them now? Because some loonies pulled one over on us 10 yeas ago? Whoopty-doo. Even the toughest kids on the playground get a black eye from time to time.

    I say bring in some bomb sniffing dogs at every airport. Dismantle the scanners and sell the materials on e-bay to pay off some of the debt. Lay-off every single TSA employee. Get on with our lives. I'm tired of living in a country where wanting to travel long distances quickly and conveniently is a reason to suspect someone is a terrorist.

  15. Let's not forget by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Terrorists don't have to get past airport security. They can wheel in a huge bomb on an airport-provided trolley and blow up the queue for the scanner.

    If there's no terrorist attacks in the USA it's not because of the TSA, it's because there aren't any terrorists who can be bothered to do it.

    If you don't believe me I've got a magic tiger-repelling stone I'd like to sell you.

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  16. Re:No amount of security will prevent terrorism by PitaBred · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Should have. But common sense and hindsight are 20/20. Most terrorists just wanted a ride to Cuba before 9/11, so there was no need to escalate the situation. When 9/11 turned the planes themselves into weapons, the attitudes of the passengers and the pilots changed. That is all that it took. We don't need anything else.

  17. Re:It is a jobs program. Doesn't actually do anyth by jpmorgan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't be an idiot. If the TSA were having measurable successes like those, the leaders would be on TV regularly extolling their successes.

    With political incentives like they are, absence of evidence is evidence of absence.