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Anti-PowerPoint Party Formed In Switzerland

angry tapir writes "Many people dislike sitting through a meeting being driven with presentation software. Microsoft's PowerPoint is perhaps the best known and most hated of the slide presentation programs out there, but few would take a political stand over it. However, that's exactly what Switzerland's Anti-PowerPoint Party (APPP) seeks to do. From the article: 'According to the APPP, the use of presentation software costs the Swiss economy 2.1 billion Swiss francs (US$2.5 billion) annually, while across the whole of Europe, presentation software causes an economic loss of €110 billion (US$160 billion). APPP bases its calculations on unverified assumptions about the number of employees attending presentations each week, and supposes that 85 percent of those employees see no purpose in the presentations.'"

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  1. Meetings by SniperJoe · · Score: 2

    I'd imagine that their meetings are quite short. Hell, anyone who has sat through an inane PowerPoint presentation (which is likely all of us) can sympathize, however I think it's a matter of using PowerPoint effectively and using good public speaking skills that is the core issue, not PowerPoint itself.

    1. Re:Meetings by mr1911 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Correct. I remember sitting through horrible presentations with a speaker droning on before PowerPoint existed. I have also recently attended horrible presentations that did not use PowerPoint.

      If someone cannot give a reasonable presentation, PowerPoint will not help them, and it will not actually make the presentation much worse.

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    2. Re:Meetings by formfeed · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If someone cannot give a reasonable presentation, PowerPoint will not help them, and it will not actually make the presentation much worse.

      It has the potential of just doing that: make bad presentations worse.

      There is of course the bad use of power point: "Things I am talking about, things I will be talking about,... and here we are at point 4.1.1.1 subpoint b. If you still remember the rest of the structure which was on a previous slide, it could almost make sense. Ooops, that was too fast? don't worry I'll come back to it later, but you might not be able to see it back there anyway. No it is 12 point, It just looks like 6 point to you. Sorry, the labels are also kind of off."

      But then there are also power-point specific issues. And not just Tufte is criticizing those: You're forced to shorten things into statements that fit on individual slides. Information appears and disappears without warning, the overall structure is hidden. In bad cases you can't concentrate on the speaker because summaries flash in and out of existence in the other corner of the room.

      Colleges love power point. The theory is that multi channel presentation of redundant information increases retention. But some studies show, that retention might actually be lower. At the very least, power point can prevent the audience from thinking-along. Quite often, I think a handout would be the better solution: you don't have to cut quotes, everyone gets the same point size, people can go back and forth on their own and have an overview of the whole structure. Ooh, and even mark interesting points or write down questions.

    3. Re:Meetings by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      Powerpoint did sap a lot of creativity away though. Sure they were boring meetings before, but what happened was a few people made some good Power Point presentations and people were impressed thus others started using it, although Power Point may not suit their communication style. Back when I was at school Power Point was the new toy on the block, Most Professors didn't use it. But I remember getting a few points less on an assignment where other students in the class used power point to discuss their point and I stayed with the traditional Black board (knowing that I can read the audiences Non-Verbal Queues and adjust my presentation to keep it interesting) However the students using Power Point got more points on a more professional looking presentation, although a lot of them were long and drawn out taking equal time on uninteresting/unimportant topics as it did with the more important and interesting topics. We should try to reduce power point from being required to a tool that can be handy for some cases.

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    4. Re:Meetings by Cinder6 · · Score: 2

      The best professors I've ever had didn't use PowerPoint, but rather wrote things on the board. It was great because they would only write down the critical information, rather than the glut you usually get with PP presentations. I've had good professors that use PowerPoint have their slides only show a general overview, while they went over stuff in more detail--on the board. And then I've had professors that read the PPT verbatim. The "best" of those also had the lecture notes available online, so you would just go in and zone out for 70 minutes, waking up only if they mentioned homework or a test.

      And yet, administrators constantly recommended powerpoint to that first group of professors...

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    5. Re:Meetings by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      Yes but before PowerPoint the boring pictures intended to increase interest tended to be different each time. Now it's the same stupid Microsoft clip art cartoons each time.

      Presentations can be done well or they can be done badly, even with PowerPoint there is a remote chance that someone can do one well. A good presentation is one that has all the information you need on the slides, so that you can review the slides later and still get the facts you need and someone who missed the presentation can figure out what happened from the slides. Leave off the cutesy effects and clip art. I've seen some good animation that works during a talk but it falls flat when the presentation is viewed later without narration or in a printout.

      Best is to treat the talk as a talk. The slides are in the background but the speaker is the foreground. Put some examples on slides to illustrate the points being made, don't just repeat verbatim the words that are already written down.

      And don't use some stupid corporate template!

  2. Re:Candidate? by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 4, Funny

    No, Stalin; because nobody can make bullet points like him.

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  3. Not Software Issue, But Behavior by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's not the software. Just about any presentation software can be used to create valuable, compelling presentations. The problem is most untrained/inexperienced presenters are satisfied with showing people a bunch of stats and clip art, without addressing any concrete topic, and concluding without actionable items.
     
    The real problem is human behavior. Good luck opposing that with a political party.

    1. Re:Not Software Issue, But Behavior by thynk · · Score: 2

      I think the article fails to take into account the inane ideas that are made to look good via a power point presentation and become policy. Or maybe it's just companies that I have worked for that this happens.

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    2. Re:Not Software Issue, But Behavior by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      Software encourages certain forms of behaviour. For example, PowerPoint has a misfeature that I've not seen in other presentation tools, where if your bullets don't fit on one slide it reduces their size. This makes it trivial for PowerPoint users to cram everything that they're going to say on the slides, rather than using them to highlight key points and putting the full description of what they're going to say on the annotated versions that are available for download later.

      The very fact that presentation software exists and makes it easy to create slides means that you now get lots of slides produced. When every slide needed to be hand drawn on acetate, very few people had the patience to do it. Now, anyone can throw together a 50-slide PowerPoint presentation in a couple of hours and spend ages delivering it.

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    3. Re:Not Software Issue, But Behavior by dogmatixpsych · · Score: 2

      That's why I think Apple's (Steve Jobs' et al.) use of presentation software is ideal - there's an image and a little text at most per slide. I try to keep that philosophy in mind when I give presentations - little text, lots of pictures, and me filling in the rest verbally. That minimalism doesn't always work in academic settings but I've had reasonable success in emulating the Apple style (I'm not saying they created that idea, Apple presenters just do a good job at using presentation software).

  4. Re:Good time to discuss alternatives by ceoyoyo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Keynote is WAY better than Powerpoint. Even PP can be okay though (if frustrating to actually use) if you use it properly. Unfortunately MS seems to design it to encourage abuse, rather than the opposite.

  5. life is good by phantomfive · · Score: 2

    I guess when you have a 3% unemployment rate, and only a 35% (of GDP) public debt, these are the kinds of things you can worry about.

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  6. Nice stats.. by formfeed · · Score: 2

    .. I wonder if they would mind visualizing that with a nice presentation?

  7. This is a little complex by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 3, Funny

    Maybe if they could put this into a PowerPoint presentation and make it a little easier to digest? Some pie chart graphics would really clarify things, I feel.

  8. Re:Good time to discuss alternatives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you are doing science and research that involves math, the Beamer class in LaTeX is the most widely used tool. It allows for nice and consistent slides and easy integration of math, without the hassel of formatting.

  9. Re:Good time to discuss alternatives by Colonel+Korn · · Score: 3, Informative

    Keynote is WAY better than Powerpoint. Even PP can be okay though (if frustrating to actually use) if you use it properly. Unfortunately MS seems to design it to encourage abuse, rather than the opposite.

    Having read Tufte and seen many good and bad presentations in both Keynote and PP, I disagree that one is better than the other. Bad presentations come from bad design principles and poor communication choices, not from software. Also, many of the problems associated with digital presentations are simply a case of the wrong people being invited to a meeting, or the meeting format being poorly suited for the content (10 minutes of ideas expanded to fill a 1 hour time slot, for instance).

    GP: As for your red Xs, I suggest you paste special any content that isn't coming from an image file and select Picture (enhanced metafile).

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  10. Re:Good time to discuss alternatives by jrminter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have used Keynote and especially like the presenter view. Find it far superior to PowerPoint.

    I have also used the beamer class for LaTeX (from the TeX Live distribution), using R for data analysis that needed to be included. I have also used Inkscape to draw SVG graphics to be included - typically as PDF (saved as EPS, converted to compressed PDF using epstopdf.) This latter approach has the advantage of being completely Open Source. All the packages are well-supported and have active user communities that answer well-posed questions. This is not a WYSIWG approach, but can make a good presentation. The approach follows Donald Knuth's planned workflow: the author concentrates on the content of the presentation and leaves the typesetting to the computer. The software encourages a well-structured presentation.

    As others have noted, any presentation software can be used thoughtlessly (without regard for the audience) to make a horrible presentation. I admit that I am drawn to Knuth's approach of concentration my efforts on what I want to communicate to my audience and trying to give them a good return on their investment of their time and to let the software help to help achieve that goal./PP

  11. Alternative name by mremrahunal · · Score: 2

    aka PowerPoint Costs Too Damn High Party

  12. Re:Good time to discuss alternatives by rwa2 · · Score: 2

    For *nix, try: Impress!ve

    Works on any deck of pdf / image files in a directory that you throw at it. Uses OpenGL effects... effectively! Not just as useless eye-candy (though the transitions available are posh), but to help visualize, highlight, and zoom into parts of your presentation as you go.

    It won't actually help you create content, though. You'll still need some tools for that. Open/LibreOffice is still kinda squishy, but works (though still too PPT-like). Inkscape is worth the time investment for learning to create reasonably involved diagrams... I've more or less switched to it from xfig and Dia.

  13. Re:Good time to discuss alternatives by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

    I'll second that. Just a few additional recommendations:

    Look at some of the other themes. I think the default one is quite ugly. I prefer the Singapore theme, which is pretty minimalist and leaves most of the slide for your material, without using loads of it for distracting stuff.

    I use the pdfmarginpar package for annotations. With a little conditional macro, I can generate one version of the PDF for display and another for download. The download version has a load of notes on it that summarise what I'm going to be saying while the slide is up. I think this is really important, because quite often people will miss the presentation and will only have the downloaded slides to work out what you were saying. The downloadable version should contain 90% of what they'd get by attending the presentation, but you probably don't want anything like that much information on the slides themselves or people will be distracted reading instead of listening.

    Oh, and if you're doing anything involving code snippets on slides, you need to mark your frames as [fragile] before you use the listings package in them. Took me a while to work out why mine were failing to compile...

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  14. Re:Good time to discuss alternatives by ljw1004 · · Score: 2

    GP: As for your red Xs, I suggest you paste special any content that isn't coming from an image file and select Picture (enhanced metafile).

    I definitely would NOT use Enhanced Metafiles (EMFs). Use Windows Metafiles (WMFs) instead.

    My experience with writing latexEMF/WMF conversion a decade ago was that no applications had a really good grasp on EMFs -- on their dimensions, scaling factors, colors. Even today I observe that pictures copy/pasted from R into Excel2003 as EMF get their colors and cropping messed up when moving to Excel2010.

    Sure, EMFs are new and 32bit while WMFs are boring old 16bit, and EMFs have some extra capabilities, but it's not worth it.

  15. Reading a PP word-for-word is not a presentation by fuckface · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My biggest problem with PP presentations at my company is that the vast majority of people put all of the relevant information directly in the PP and then read it word for word at the audience. If they're going to do that they should just write it up as a document and publish/email it instead. If they're just going to read the screen to you (while you're allegedly reading along with them) and not add any information that's not already displayed then people completely lose interest quite fast and when someone does finally wise up to this fault and tries to change the status-quo nobody will be listening anyway.

    On the other hand it has enhanced my skills at reading the slide quickly so I can do other work while they read it slowly aloud. Hopefully this will make me better at Jeopardy! if I can manage to get on the show.

  16. Re:Impress and Keynote ? by Darinbob · · Score: 2

    PowerPoint is on Macs too. It is an equal opportunity offender.