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Chicago Mercantile Exchange Secrets Leaked To China

chicksdaddy writes with this excerpt from Threat Post: "A 10 year employee of CME Group in Chicago is alleged to have stolen trade secrets and proprietary source code used to run trading systems for the Chicago Mercantile Exchange and passed them to officials in China, where he hoped to set up a software firm to help create electronic exchanges, according to a criminal complaint filed in U.S. District Court in Illinois. Chunlai Yang, 49, is alleged to have downloaded "thousands of files" containing "source code and proprietary algorithms" used by CME to run its trading systems. The files were downloaded from a company-owned source code repository maintained by CME to Yang's work computer, then copied them to removable "thumb" drives. The complaint also cites personal e-mail correspondence between Yang and an official in China that contained proprietary CME information."

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  1. Shades of an Earlier Era by MarkvW · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The United States was mighty competitive with Great Britain around the turn of the last century.

    Same game, different faces.

    1. Re:Shades of an Earlier Era by SplashMyBandit · · Score: 2

      Nope. There was no official US Government policy to steal stuff from Britain. Although infraction of copyright and patents were ignored in the US (similar to what China is doing now).

  2. BTW, The Suspect is a US Citizen by idontgno · · Score: 2, Informative

    so if you're gonna rant about H-1B visas, don't bother.

    I suppose you can rant about legal immigration in general, if you want.

    I thought this would be a fine example of the problems with H1-B workers, but the phrase "49-year-old Chunlai Yang, who is a naturalised US citizen," kept coming up in news articles about the arrest, so I had to give it up.

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    1. Re:BTW, The Suspect is a US Citizen by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Lame troll is lame.

      Natural born citizens sell out to foreign countries all the time. Greed is not based on nationality or place of birth.

    2. Re:BTW, The Suspect is a US Citizen by bsDaemon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      During the Cold War, many Soviet illegal agents (ie, lacking diplomatic cover; not "illegal immigrants") became naturalized US citizens. It is easier for a US citizen to get close to sensitive data, so its par for the course. If the KGB did it, you can bet the MSS is doing it, too. That's not to say he's a plant of the PRC, but I wouldn't be surprised at all. Just saying.

  3. Re:US Govt Passes Secrets Too! Deliberately by idontgno · · Score: 2

    The Nixon Doctrine: It's not illegal if the President does it, or orders it done.

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  4. Thousand Grains of Sand by SplashMyBandit · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The Chinese Government has a policy known as the 'Thousand Grains of Sand' where each citizen is encouraged to bring back a little something from overseas if they can. Then one of the hundreds of thousands of state officials implementing this policy will see what the person brought back and dole out any appropriate reward. This is why Chinese citizens (and some Chinese descended citizens who return to the motherland) are being caught all over the World doing this sort of stuff (eg. in New Zealand Chinese regularly get caught stealing agricultural samples that our higher-value export industries are based on). While anyone can be a criminal, I can't think of any other country in the modern age where this is officially sanctioned.

    China wants to be number one in the World, and perhaps they will get there, but it seems an awful shame they're so determined to do so that they are quite unethical (from the majority of the rest of the World's point of view). This is not meant to be a bashing of China, or of Chinese citizens, just an explanation of why these events are becoming more frequent for those unaware of the official Chinese Government policy that encourages behavour considered criminal elsewhere. The Chinese Government will smile at you while robbing your house behind your back (although this is nothing compared to how they treat their own citizens).

    1. Re:Thousand Grains of Sand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      New Zealand Chinese regularly get caught stealing agricultural samples that our higher-value export industries are based on

      None other than founding father Thomas Jefferson engaged in this sort of agricultural espionage (smuggling two bags or unhulled rice out of Italy, a crime punishable by death at the time), so its hardly new or damning to the Chinese.

    2. Re:Thousand Grains of Sand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The Chinese learned the lessons of history well. Stealing industrial secrets from China was a favourite of Europeans:

      "Similar to other European travellers of the period, such as Walter Medhurst, Fortune disguised himself as a Chinese merchant during several, but not all, of his journeys beyond the newly established treaty port areas. Not only was Fortune's purchase of tea plants forbidden by the Chinese government of the time, but his travels were also beyond the allowable day's journey from the European treaty ports."
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Fortune

      We'll see if the Chinese stoop as low as the Europeans and Americans did during the Opium War, where they forced the Chinese to buy drugs from them.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_Wars

    3. Re:Thousand Grains of Sand by jpapon · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Oh, please. I have no love for the Chinese government, but even I know that this is in no way unique to them.

      For as long as there has been property, there have been thieves. The U.S. stole much of its industrial-revolution era technology from the U.K. Europe stole many of the ideas that brought about the renaissance from the Arabs. The Arabs stole much of this engineering knowledge from the Byzantine Romans. They in turn stole from anyone they could lay their blood covered hands on. That's how it works. How can people on Slashdot bitch about software patents, and then complain about Chinese theft of software?

      They're ideas, goddamnit. They spread. That's why they're beautiful.

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    4. Re:Thousand Grains of Sand by 0123456 · · Score: 2

      Well said, wish I have mod points.

      How can people on Slashdot bitch about software patents, and then complain about Chinese theft of software?

      That's known as double standard mixed with scapegoating.

      Only if you don't know the difference between software patents and stealing a company's internal software and giving it to their competitors. They're such different concepts that I can hardly see how anyone could confuse the two.

  5. Re:He must be guilty! by bsDaemon · · Score: 5, Informative

    Douglas MacArthur has nothing to do with Joseph McCarthy. If you are going to complain, at least complain about the right thing.

  6. Re:Economic Warfare by taiwanjohn · · Score: 2

    LOL! So that's what that "stux.zh.cn.jpg" file was all about... ;-)

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  7. Re:Boo-hoo! by idontgno · · Score: 2

    obPedant: It's Wacker Drive, not Wall Street. Completely different city, too.

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  8. China vs. the USSR by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 2

    In the past the USSR would steal all the technology it could mostly because they lacked the money to develop their own and the Cold War denied them a good way to develop their own stuff, so they just stole it when they could due to lack of alternatives. The Chinese are flush with cash but they are just lazy. It's much quicker to steal something than to develop it yourself, even when you've got the means to do so. An entire generation of Chinese people are being put to work in their system looking for shortcuts like this. You can steal a fish today from the guy next to you who knows how to fish and thereby feed yourself, but what happens tomorrow when he doesn't come to the river and you don't know how to catch fish yourself?

  9. Re:He must be guilty! by Mikkeles · · Score: 2

    Sitting on Edgar Bergen's knee.

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  10. You know why America is screwed? by MikeRT · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Because the average American cannot believe their lying eyes that China is now starting to go around the world much like the British Empire in advancing its own interests, building its power, subverting local governments and even yes colonizing (how many Americans know that China is exporting surplus population to Africa to help it acquire resources). Stupid Americans make comments about how we can't rush to judgment that Chinese might be more dangerous than other ethnic groups to hire for sensitive positions, despite the fact that it's public knowledge that their government aggressively engages in and encourages industrial espionage. They have a crowdsourcing program for intelligence (of all types) gathering, for fuck's sake.

    But oh no, it's just those evil right-wing extremists and union workers who think China is a serious threat to our people and way of life. Everyone knows they're just a large asian version of Mexico.

  11. Did this happen because he was fired? by dcavanaugh · · Score: 2

    I know a number of highly skilled people who have lost their jobs in recent years. Some due to office politics, but mostly it was a combination of downsizing and outsourcing. These folks had some serious knowledge. Management should have considered the consequences of sending these people out the door in search of employment. Let's just say I have seen some spectacular malfunctions of management strategy that I dare not mention in a public forum. Relying on a non-disclosure or non-compete agreement is not much protection when the ultimate sanction (loss of job) is already off the table. If the ex-employee goes to China, good luck with that non-compete agreement.

    IT culture has deteriorated to the point where most employees have a "doomsday" thumb drive with all kinds of information that might be helpful at their next job. With nearly 20% of the work force effectively unemployed and the other 80% paranoid about their future, confidentiality is going to be a scarce commodity.

    At the upper levels of management, there are golden parachutes for a terminated CEO, CFO, CIO, etc. In return for enough cash to sit back and carefully choose their next job, the quid pro quo is that secrets remain secret. At that level, the problem is acknowledged and solved with money. But there are a lot of secrets at all levels of management these days, and employers seem to be surprised when things leak.

    1. Re:Did this happen because he was fired? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Nope. He was fired the day the Feds arrested him.

      From http://in.reuters.com/article/2011/07/02/idINIndia-58048420110702 :
      "Yang had made reservations for a one-way flight to China, due to leave Chicago on July 7, and had asked for corresponding vacation time from his job, the FBI affidavit said."

  12. Re:He must be guilty! by SleazyRidr · · Score: 2

    You know, I've spent years thinking that they were actually the same person. Once again, /. has taught me my one thing for today.

  13. Transparency, and the lack thereof by ka9dgx · · Score: 2

    If the market were fair and open, this kind of thing wouldn't even be possible, because everyone would already know what code runs in the servers. It's the opacity that allows information asymmetry which gets us into trouble every time by enabling market manipulation.

    All trades should be batch processed, every 5 minutes, and all this high-frequency scamming should be pulled out by the root. An open, honest, well regulated market is in the best interest of all investors.

  14. Treason... by Oxford_Comma_Lover · · Score: 2

    Putting Source Code for a major exchange in foreign hands is delivering information that can be useful for strategic electronic attacks. In the modern era, such espionage should be considered treasonous.

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