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Malware Is a Disease; Let's Treat It Like One

jfruhlinger writes "The most common metaphor we have for computer malware — 'virus' — emphasizes that in many ways malicious computer code mimics biological pathogens. And yet, while the U.S. government has rapid response plans in place for an outbreak of a new disease, we're content to let the private sector react to hugely damaging computer infections. Tom Henderson thinks we need the cybersecurity equivalent of the CDC."

160 comments

  1. Woohoo, more government!!! Yeah. by AmazinglySmooth · · Score: 1

    I am always suspicious when government is the solution. I prefer to keep it in the hands of private companies.

    1. Re:Woohoo, more government!!! Yeah. by Oxford_Comma_Lover · · Score: 1

      I am always suspicious when government is the solution. I prefer to keep it in the hands of private companies.

      Private companies are motivated by profit.

      Agencies are directed by political appointees, but good ones tend to have a culture which focuses on institutional competence. (e.g. the solicitor general's office.) It does not make sense for individual companies to take the same measures that a society does--there are collective action problems. Some of those goals can be assumed by an agency working for government.

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    2. Re:Woohoo, more government!!! Yeah. by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Agencies are directed by political appointees,...

      Who are motivated by political power. Why is an organization that is motivated by political power less suspect than an organization that is motivated by profit?
      At least with a private company, if I don't like how they treat me, I can do business with someone else (or no one).

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    3. Re:Woohoo, more government!!! Yeah. by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      Private companies are motivated by profit.

      And governments are motivated by power.

      I know which I prefer.

    4. Re:Woohoo, more government!!! Yeah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It begs the question if malware is as big a threat or problem as the author of this "article" states; which I think not.

      Having data stolen, erased, Viagra emails sent from bots, or some big corps site getting vandalized is of no concern to me.

      This is just a "security consultant" getting his name out there to boost his business and ego.

    5. Re:Woohoo, more government!!! Yeah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In over 20 years of computer use, I've never gotten a virus. That can be attributed to private companies (95%) and my own efforts. My only cost has been the purchase of a router, which I would have purchased anyway. I do not need or want the government to get involved and I do not want to have to pay the relevant costs. If my personal experience is representative of the whole, the true free market solution is vastly superior to government interference.

    6. Re:Woohoo, more government!!! Yeah. by kwiqsilver · · Score: 2, Informative

      I am always suspicious when government is the solution. I prefer to keep it in the hands of private companies.

      Private companies are motivated by profit.

      Agencies are directed by political appointees, but good ones tend to have a culture which focuses on institutional competence. (e.g. the solicitor general's office.) It does not make sense for individual companies to take the same measures that a society does--there are collective action problems. Some of those goals can be assumed by an agency working for government.

      Private companies that want to continue to make a profit will make sure they get the job done. Political appointees, on the other hand, will keep their jobs if they fail, and most likely turn the failure into an increased budget, so next time they can fail on a more spectacular level.

    7. Re:Woohoo, more government!!! Yeah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Private companies are motivated by profit.

      Agencies are directed by political appointees,

      Agencies are directed by political appointees who are motivated by money from companies motivated by profit.

      You can't win.

    8. Re:Woohoo, more government!!! Yeah. by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Because we vote for the people that run the government.

    9. Re:Woohoo, more government!!! Yeah. by hedwards · · Score: 1

      And yet a number of corporations in recent years ran themselves into the ground through incompetence and greed.

    10. Re:Woohoo, more government!!! Yeah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And were bailed out by governments

    11. Re:Woohoo, more government!!! Yeah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because we vote for the people that run the government.

      Indeed - and when the options are douche and turd the sky is the limit to how fucked you can be.

    12. Re:Woohoo, more government!!! Yeah. by Phreakiture · · Score: 1

      Private companies that want to continue to make a profit will make sure they get the job done.

      <sarcasm>Oh, is that what happened on Wall Street and in Detroit?! I get it now!</sarcasm>

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    13. Re:Woohoo, more government!!! Yeah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WHAT?!

      It is in a private company's best interest to say "fuck all to my competitors and eveyrone else".

      For example, with a worm, the best thing a company could do when there is a massive destructive outbreak, is to sever their connection to the Internet until the pathogen is contained. This would save the economy ENORMOUSLY, especially if it is in the early stages.

      But a company would never choose to do that, they will always say "that will cost money, we can't do that."

      Nevermind that this is a classic example of the "tragedy of commons."

      If you aren't familiar with that term, go look it up now.

    14. Re:Woohoo, more government!!! Yeah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you still think so....

      You get to choose between a punch in the face, or a kick to the groin. Options like "pat on the back" and "handjob" were removed when they failed the primaries.

    15. Re:Woohoo, more government!!! Yeah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, and I'll bet you're a virgin too...

    16. Re:Woohoo, more government!!! Yeah. by ZamesC · · Score: 1

      Private companies are motivated by profit.

      And governments are motivated by power.

      I know which I prefer.

      ahem... Profit is the CAUSE of most malware....

    17. Re:Woohoo, more government!!! Yeah. by Falernum · · Score: 2

      Right, and I'll bet you're a virgin too...

      I'm pretty sure that's not how you get computer viruses.

    18. Re:Woohoo, more government!!! Yeah. by Feltope · · Score: 1

      Mod parent UP not down.

      Whomever modded this down must not live in America because this is exactly the way our political system works. (sadly)

      Don't believe me? Think I am just being paranoid and cynical? Think I need my tinfoil hat?

      Go and look up who is in charge of the Food & Drug Administration.
      Go on, I will wait...
      Yea that is the person that is telling us what is safe for us.

      Go ahead and do the same thing with just about any other government agency!!!

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    19. Re:Woohoo, more government!!! Yeah. by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      So, you trust people who you are required to interact with more than people you interact with on a voluntary basis because you get to choose who is in charge of the first group?

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    20. Re:Woohoo, more government!!! Yeah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah but the swarming idiotic masses choose the corrupt lawyers we end up being ruled by. the important point he made is that you can choose not to do business with a private company. once the gov't gets involved there's no escape if they're corrupt.

    21. Re:Woohoo, more government!!! Yeah. by LC+Trucido · · Score: 1

      Because we vote for the people that run the government.

      You vote for the private companies by choosing to use their product over someone else...

    22. Re:Woohoo, more government!!! Yeah. by kwiqsilver · · Score: 1

      Incompetence, yes. Greed, no. If they had been greedy and competent, they'd still be in business.

      You're countering my point, by using the same point. Those companies that ran themselves into the ground, are no longer around to provide bad services. If those companies were government agencies, they'd be getting a bigger budget to "fix" their failures.

    23. Re:Woohoo, more government!!! Yeah. by JordanL · · Score: 1

      While companies are subject to the force majeure of government, both Government and Corportations suffer from an inability to be held accountable for incompetence and negligence. Until one or the other is fixed in that sense, we're fucked either way.

    24. Re:Woohoo, more government!!! Yeah. by kwiqsilver · · Score: 1

      Sadly in the US, where free markets have given way to corporate socialism, i.e. fascism, getting the job done, has more to do with making friends in D.C., than with providing a good product or service at a good price. But giving government agencies more power is not the way to fix a problem caused by government agencies having too much power.

    25. Re:Woohoo, more government!!! Yeah. by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Private companies that want to continue to make a profit will make sure they get the job done.

      Unless getting the job done would remove the source of their profit.

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    26. Re:Woohoo, more government!!! Yeah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When's the last time you got to vote for head of the CDC?

      Do you really want a political appointee writing your antivirus? Hell, I'd rather install McAfee.

    27. Re:Woohoo, more government!!! Yeah. by Xaositecte · · Score: 1

      Margaret Hamburg?

      Physician, public health administrator, seems decently qualified. What exactly is your issue with her?

    28. Re:Woohoo, more government!!! Yeah. by Gerzel · · Score: 1

      You know it is healthy to be suspicious of anything being the solution. Private or public.

      I find a mix is the best way to go often enough.

    29. Re:Woohoo, more government!!! Yeah. by Gerzel · · Score: 1

      Why is an agency motivated by profit less suspect than one motivated by political power?

    30. Re:Woohoo, more government!!! Yeah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is this...

      Both sides may be corrupted to do evil. However, assuming they are not contravening their original intention, we have basically this:

      Government: For the people, by the people
      Corporation: Profit is paramount

      The stated goal of a company is to increase profits, regardless of the outcome to individuals or society.

      The stated goal of government is to help people live happier, healthier lives.

      Now, when you look at the motives of actual corporate and government officials, you get this:

      CEO: More money and power for me, by any means
      Politician: More money and power for me, by any means

      If you think corporate CEOs aren't interested in power as well, you're delusional.

      I do understand the risk of things going badly and the sometimes apt argument that you can try to do business with another company, but in the example of health care, when I find all 4 of the available health insurers are pretty much out to get me, as a consumer, I have no choice. Their stated goal (and they even pay bonuses to give employees incentive to do it) is to maximize profits by minimizing services provided.

      At least with a government run system, their stated goal is to benefit the population. Now, there may be undercurrents of power grabbing, or social control, but there are also such things in private industry, so I choose what I regard as the lesser of evils and prefer to work with the organization that has stated that their goal is to serve me, and who I have some say in the leaders, rather than a corporation whos stated purpose is to prevent me from obtaining justified services if possible, and who's leadership I have absolutely no control over.

      No so much of an issue when it comes to shoe shopping. Big deal when it comes to things like security, health care, military, infrastructure, etc. The Internet might justifiably be considered "infrastructure" in a similar (but also different) way to roads or airports. If not yet, at least, maybe in the future.

    31. Re:Woohoo, more government!!! Yeah. by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 2

      Where did I say it was? However, an organization that I can voluntarily choose to work with or not( a private organization) is to be trusted over one which I must work with, whether I wish or not (a government agency).

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    32. Re:Woohoo, more government!!! Yeah. by flappinbooger · · Score: 1

      If the agency has to do it "right" in order to get paid, that is incentive to do it right. Again and again, more and more efficiently.

      The problem with the public sector is that it is incredibly hard to get fired and in order to get paid, you pretty much just have to show up.

      The motivation to do a good job in the public sector just because it is the honorable "serve the people" thing to do is long past. Now, workin' fer da guv'mint is a ticket to coast until retirement.

      The above, of course, doesn't necessarily take into account the likes of Halliburton and Blackwater. They may or may not do what they do very well, but they don't exactly have to compete.

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    33. Re:Woohoo, more government!!! Yeah. by Medievalist · · Score: 1

      Sadly in the US, where free markets have given way to corporate socialism, i.e. fascism, getting the job done, has more to do with making friends in D.C., than with providing a good product or service at a good price.

      Well, yes, that's hard to deny. Your best defense is to buy local, and not everyone can do that (especially when giant corporations can use government agencies to criminalize products from traditional cottage and farm industries, like raw milk.)

      But giving government agencies more power is not the way to fix a problem caused by government agencies having too much power.

      Perhaps, but problems "caused by government agencies having too much power" can't be fixed by handing over power to entities even less responsible and even less motivated to fix the problems, and subjecting them to even less public oversight.

      The cause of our problems is not representative government, and institution of a plutocracy, oligarchy or corporate aristocracy would be at best "meet the new boss, same as the old boss" - and could be a lot worse.

    34. Re:Woohoo, more government!!! Yeah. by Gerzel · · Score: 1

      Right voluntarily choose.

      Just like the power company, phone, Walmart.

      As Corps get more power they remove the choices you have.

    35. Re:Woohoo, more government!!! Yeah. by Gerzel · · Score: 1

      Except private companies don't have to do it "right". They just have to do it good enough to get paid, which is much less, and will do no more than that. If doing it good enough means destroying the environment, or someone's health and well-fare so be it.

    36. Re:Woohoo, more government!!! Yeah. by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      I don't know about where you live, but around here no one forces you to do business with Walmart. You could shop at Target, or any one of a number of smaller stores depending on what you want. As for the power company, no one forces me to have electricity, I can choose to do without. And the only reason I only have one choice of who to get my electricity from is because the government won't let anyone else deliver it to me. Finally, I don't have to have phone service, but if I want it I have the choice of what provider I want to use. While that choice is limited, that limit is once again the result of government action.
      Corps get more power as the government expands its regulatory reach.

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    37. Re:Woohoo, more government!!! Yeah. by localman · · Score: 1

      "As for the power company, no one forces me to have electricity, I can choose to do without."

      Spoken like a true libertarian ideologue with no willingness to concede to reality.

      There are numerous things that cannot be effectively delivered by corps because they become de-facto monopolies. Electricity is a pretty good example. Roads and trains are a far better one - where we simply don't have the space to waste letting multiple companies build roads/tracks to each location. So we have to either grant a monopoly to a corp with whom you have no representation, or have them run by the government.

      Or, as you suggest, just stay inside and don't use roads. Sigh.

      The "government is bad" trope is ignorant: government is better for some things, corps for others.

    38. Re:Woohoo, more government!!! Yeah. by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      Interpreting opposition to further expanding government regulation as being because one thinks "government is bad" is the sort of sloppy thinking that has gotten the U.S. into the problem it is in today. You apparently are one of those people who thinks that the solutions to problems created by government regulation is more government regulation. I am sure you are a fan of the Dodd-Frank law which says that the solution to the problems resulting from "too big to fail" banks is to make them bigger and force smaller banks out of business, when those "too big to fail" banks were created by government regulation in the first place.

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    39. Re:Woohoo, more government!!! Yeah. by monkyyy · · Score: 0

      easy.... hate both

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    40. Re:Woohoo, more government!!! Yeah. by monkyyy · · Score: 0

      the problem is human greed nothing more

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  2. Not a bad idea. by Oxford_Comma_Lover · · Score: 2

    If you get good people staffing it, not a bad idea. It could focus on a lot of the massive but individually low-level threats, rather than some of the high-level stuff that the FBI does.

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  3. Drug addiction is a disease too.. by mswhippingboy · · Score: 1

    So why don't we just arrest and throw everyone in jail that catches a computer virus!

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    1. Re:Drug addiction is a disease too.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slight rant: I know that drug addiction is considered a "disease" as in alcoholism, but I personally think that is the same kind of labeling that makes people feel better about bad decisions they've made. I know there are addictive properties but it's unrealistic to expect that anyone, prior to drinking or doing drugs, hasn't heard all about it - and even if they have, there are a ton of programs to help fix the problem.

      That rant being said, in the case of computer viruses (much like drug dealers), it is the pusher that should be dealt with harshly. Virus outbreaks on computers are inherently different because they manufactured and spread intentionally.

      You might argue that biological viruses can be spread intentionally too, which can be true, but when that is the case - we call it terrorism. Therefore, deal with the problem of the virus - because obviously it is a bit of a pandora's box and blame cannot be considered during the clean-up process, and spend some of our considerable resources tracking down the virus writers.

    2. Re:Drug addiction is a disease too.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, and then we could initiate "The War on Computer Viruses" using the war on drugs as a model. All along bantering such phrases as "Zero tolerance". Pass one email with a malware attachment and go to jail.

    3. Re:Drug addiction is a disease too.. by mswhippingboy · · Score: 1

      Slight rant: I know that drug addiction is considered a "disease" as in alcoholism, but I personally think that is the same kind of labeling that makes people feel better about bad decisions they've made. I know there are addictive properties but it's unrealistic to expect that anyone, prior to drinking or doing drugs, hasn't heard all about it - and even if they have, there are a ton of programs to help fix the problem.

      I heard about alcoholism before I had my first beer, but that didn't stop me (or ANYONE else I'm aware of) from trying it. I, like most, didn't turn out to be an alcoholic. However, some are not so lucky. Drugs, like alcohol, have different effects on different people. The problem I have with turning those unfortunate folks into criminals is that if they do become addicted, they are no longer in full control of making these decisions - the drugs/alcohol are making the decisions for them. If you've ever had to deal with a family member with this problem, you know exactly what I'm talking about. Rather than treating them as criminals (and thereby exacerbating their psychosis) they (IMO) should be treated as patients and treatment made available to them.

      As far as "programs to help fix the problem", unless you happen to be wealthy enough or have a decent enough healthcare policy, most effective rehab programs are prohibitively expensive. Sticking someone in jail alongside rapists and murderers have very little rehabilitative value.

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    4. Re:Drug addiction is a disease too.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Implying people are jailed for using drugs.

  4. lolwut by TubeSteak · · Score: 2

    A lot of the rapid response plans the CDC has on the books call for things like quarantine and mass vaccinations.
    The odds that grandma and grandpa have had their yearly flu shot are much higher than the odds that they're running a patched version of Windows.
    And despite numerous proposals to cut off infected machines (aka quarantine) I've yet to see the idea implemented on a large scale anywhere other than college/university campuses.

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    1. Re:lolwut by guruevi · · Score: 1

      And have those plans ever been exercised? There was a huge scare with the anthrax a couple of years ago which kinda fizzled as the perpetrator(s) didn't have the means or need to distribute or the Asian/Mexican bird/swine flu on larger scales showed that there is simply no ACTUAL response to those type of attacks that is either viable or affordable.

      The CDC, FDA etc. response plans to protect anyone but the president and a handful of rich people are a running joke and waiting on a government agency to respond to any emergency for the rest of the population is simply asking for failure (Katrina, BP, ...).

      I trust a well-designed and administered network over any government agency. What people (rephrase that: management) want is somebody to secure, update and maintain their computers for free (or paid for by somebody else) and the government dealings in recent years with the car manufacturers and banks is an excellent example of how to distribute the exuberant cost tags of a couple of companies and the mistakes in management to all citizens without any repercussions.

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    2. Re:lolwut by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another problem I see with the idea of putting internet connections under "quarantine" would be having someone like the MPAA/RIAA managing to convince the agency that piracy causes the spread of malware/viruses so therefor people who are suspected of pirating should have their internet connection cut off. Of course this would be done without notice, legal recourse, some kind of convenience fee for them "helping you" and a hefty settlement package you are required to hand over your house, all your savings, and work as an indenture servant to them for the rest of your life before they re-connect you.

      That's a nice internet connection you got there, it'd be a shame if something were to happen to it.

  5. We already have a cyber CDC by Qzukk · · Score: 2

    I'm guessing Tom doesn't mean Cult of the Dead Cow.

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    1. Re:We already have a cyber CDC by Aladrin · · Score: 1

      God, I really want a burger now.

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    2. Re:We already have a cyber CDC by Compaqt · · Score: 1

      Don't we already have one?

      The nerdily-named Computer Emergency Response Team
      http://www.cert.org/

      Why do I imagine post-doc geeks wearing black sitting around in a darkened room in a "situation room" with huge screens looking at live monitoring logs?

      And also asking each other, "Doctor, do you concur?"

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    3. Re:We already have a cyber CDC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow! Mod parent +1. That is an ancient reference.
      We actually do have a collection point for studying virus behavior,
      and they issue advisories, called CERT.
      What we do with them is another story.
      No team will every be deployed, as YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN.

      The only thing you need to look for in anti virus software is now often it is upgraded.

    4. Re:We already have a cyber CDC by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      CERT is an advisory; it catches about 20%. We need hardened stuff, then something that rats out vendors when they don't fix stuff. Actual process needs to be done, not "we'll get around to it when we feel like it." Then REAL statistics, not BS citations that are difficult to compare. Then we spank with our spending habits. Find the culprits. Jail them.

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    5. Re:We already have a cyber CDC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Minor update: They like to be called the "Computer Emergency Readiness Team" now. Perhaps it sounds a bit more proactive?

  6. Please, no. Not another Government Agency. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If the malware purveyors have broken the law, let the government prosecute them as needed.

    Otherwise a plan like this involves more bureaucracy, money, privacy invasions, red tape, and inefficiencies. Worse, you're proposing an agency whose work will necessarily cross borders adding to the complexity. Make it more lucrative for private industries to report infections to law enforcement, remove the stigma of having been "infected", and easier to prosecute or recover damages.

    1. Re:Please, no. Not another Government Agency. by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Any malware writer of significence is going to be working out of somewhere like Russia, where it would be a very complicated, slow and expensive process for the US to do anythign.

    2. Re:Please, no. Not another Government Agency. by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      Not to mention, CDC budget for 2012: $11,255,301,000. Imagine the budget required for something like this? There's a lot of areas to spend on, this is not one of them.

    3. Re:Please, no. Not another Government Agency. by ZamesC · · Score: 1

      If the malware purveyors have broken the law, let the government prosecute them as needed.

      That's much like say, "we don't need firefighters; we'll just put the arsonists in jail"

  7. Oh, yes... by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 1, Informative

    This is just what our broke-ass, can't-find-it's-dick-with-it's-own-hands, defective government needs, another resource drain and another nanny role in which they clearly have no business.

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    1. Re:Oh, yes... by feedayeen · · Score: 2

      This is just what our broke-ass, can't-find-it's-dick-with-it's-own-hands, defective government needs, another resource drain and another nanny role in which they clearly have no business.

      You can attack this issue from a potential civil liberties point of view in that by giving someone a gun guarantees someone will abuse it by silencing their opposition.

      You can attack this from a Capitalistic perspective by stating that it's not the government's job to force people into buying anti-virus software or keeping laptops updated so any likely solution will artificially punish users for not buying Microsoft/Apple's latest OS device.

      You can also attack this from a potential security perspective that goes along the lines of, if the government requires everyone to have the same lock, all they need to do is find one weakness.

      You can't simply say that this isn't the government's business and end of discussion however as there now a sizable fraction of our GDP and military force tied up into this single utility, doing so would be analogous to stating that the government does not belong in the areas of domestic security in the form of a functional police system and standing army.

    2. Re:Oh, yes... by Wildclaw · · Score: 1

      This is just what our broke-ass, can't-find-it's-dick-with-it's-own-hands, defective government

      Your government is broke? I thought it just had a lot of debt nominated in US dollars. And that is kind of like not having any real debt at all, as the US government has the ability to create US dollars at will.

      If your government looks broke, it is purely a political problem and not an economical one.

      Or are you talking about Greece that were stupid enough to use a fiat currency it didn't own. Or something like Iceland that guaranteed a huge amount of debt in a currency it didn't own. Or some kind of country still using a metal standard. In that case you would have a point.

      But seriously, half the point of a government controlled fiat currency is that your government can't go directly broke by using it.

      And for those screaming inflation, it will happen regardless. The only way to keep inflation down is by increasing US internal production, and that is done by putting people to productive work. Which is something that your private industry doesn't seem capable of, and your public sector isn't politically willing to.

      P.S. The US debt could stop rising today simply by the US starting to issuing non-debt backed currency paper. In fact, considering the already low interest rates, now would be pretty much the perfect time to do so.

    3. Re:Oh, yes... by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 1

      No, I'm attacking it because we can't afford it. At least not a government-sponsored solution. Let the cheating lying companies that created the mess be responsible for cleaning it up. I mean our gov is talking about taking away the money it's citizens have let it hold in escrow for all their lives. If this is how broke we are as a country, WTF??

      My other point of attack is that our wonderful, dysfunctional government can't seem to pass any legislation that doesn't either back big business or the DoD, at the expense of fucking the common man, so I'm sure somehow someone's rights or assets will be abused trying to "stop the horror". Re: The wonderful, non-functional War(s) on Whatever...

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  8. no, there's plenty of government money dumped by gl4ss · · Score: 1

    no, there's plenty of government money dumped to it in almost every country. is it doing any good? not much, the main thing what it becomes is that some guys who get dumped lots of money just go around making the same lectures every now and then, with powerpoint slides saying "unix is a security protocol" and shit like that. and the damages can't be measured as it's just human placed value on it, making the data losses and breaches in actual money(or hardware) hard to measure.

    "Yes, there’ll be some that won’t be vaccinated for religious reasons. Their systems need to be partitioned from infecting others. I don’t know the mechanism to do this, but Network Admittance Control is a thought.". his solution would actually be that every machine is vulnerable to government infection, actually being a botnet to begin with. so, fuck his solution, fuck him.

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    1. Re:no, there's plenty of government money dumped by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      replying to myself because i'm an ass. . "Former vice chair of PBS affiliate WFYI of Indianapolis.", wonder if he hates nyan nyan..

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  9. Sorry your Operating System is not supported by calmofthestorm · · Score: 2

    Please update to the latest version of Microsoft (tm) Windows (tm) 7 (R) Professional (tm) or Microsoft (tm) Windows (tm) 7 (R) Home to reconnect to the internet.

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    1. Re:Sorry your Operating System is not supported by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      How much of a problem would malware be if everyone ran something other than Windows? Sure, malware for the other OS exists, but I haven't seen an infection of them since the late 1980s. Windows, all the time, my employer (except the two of us not running windows) is brought down at least twice a year because of infection in one PC that propogates to the others.

    2. Re:Sorry your Operating System is not supported by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The page loads fine for me.

    3. Re:Sorry your Operating System is not supported by calmofthestorm · · Score: 1

      I think even if MS would release patches as problems were discovered rather than waiting until Black Tuesday things would be a lot better. Unfortunately MS and the AV folks have managed to convince people that a third party is responsible for security vulns in MSFT's software. There is something to be said for the predictive tricks AV can do but it basically becomes a way to sustain delaying patches while the virus frolics so that the corp update folks have weeks to test everything.

      But more generally I'm worried about that "religious objections" ghetto being used to justify banning any computer not under remote centralized control. I'm sure this system would never be used to deploy malware (whether due to compromise or intentionally). And you have the international angle; I'm sure the US wants China being able to deploy "security updates" to its computers and vice-versa. With that said, I don't see anything wrong with blocking computers that are exhibiting suspicious behavior/acting compromised/sending out viruses.

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    4. Re:Sorry your Operating System is not supported by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Part of the reason is that Windows is just so popular, it's heavily targeted. It's susceptability to every form of malware known to mankind isn't entirely due to poor security... though that is a factor too. Microsoft has historically been willing to trade security for useability - that's why just about anyone can use windows at least semi-competantly.

    5. Re:Sorry your Operating System is not supported by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      With the explosion of non-microsoft-os running mobile devices, we'll soon see if the "popularity" argument can trump the assumed higher security of alternate OS. Hope we don't all get embarrassed

    6. Re:Sorry your Operating System is not supported by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Speaking with a few malware researchers I know, there is NOTHING INHERENTLY more secure about Linux and Windows, other than they are under 10% market share and don't get attacked directly very often.

      If any of them were suddenly 90% market share, they, likewise, be attacked, guarantee it.

      Now, some of the decisions made back in the Windows 98 era regarding networking services may have been dumb as rocks, which may have caused a few of the issues, but since 2004-ish those mistakes have been largely corrected.

    7. Re:Sorry your Operating System is not supported by rubycodez · · Score: 2

      Are those malware researchers developers? Reading the developer's forums, It seems the Linux and BSD crowd do try to pay a little more attention to the mistakes and poor programming memes that enable malware spread (true, they sometimes fail), and moreover are usually quickly to respond to dangerous bugs (again, not always)

    8. Re:Sorry your Operating System is not supported by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe if you had read the news after the year 1989 you would have noticed

      https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1747390?start=0&tstart=0

      That was first search, thanks get back to work making that iPhone

    9. Re:Sorry your Operating System is not supported by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      hahaha, that thread is about an Windows PC that is infected, putting copies of an .exe onto every writable share, including in that case a G5 powerPC mac. Thanks for proving my point.

    10. Re:Sorry your Operating System is not supported by Zerth · · Score: 1

      Nothing stops an idiot home user from giving out the root password to any program that asks for it.

    11. Re:Sorry your Operating System is not supported by GuldKalle · · Score: 1

      There is an aditional factor: distribution. On iOS devices you can pretty much only get executable code from one source: the app store. On android it's a bit easier, but potential victims still have to enable sideloading.

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    12. Re:Sorry your Operating System is not supported by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How much of a problem would malware be if everyone ran something other than Windows? Sure, malware for the other OS exists, but I haven't seen an infection of them since the late 1980s. Windows, all the time, my employer (except the two of us not running windows) is brought down at least twice a year because of infection in one PC that propogates to the others.

      Well,they would have to work a lot harder to get at Linux...Notice the words Microsoft Windows is not mentioned in the entire article.

  10. Humans are more valuable than Computers by Shatrat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If a disease outbreak ravages the country and kills the young, the old, the weak, that would be a huge tragedy.
    If a virus ravages the country and kills off Windows XP, Adobe Flash, and IIS, then the strong will have survived and the software world will be a better place.

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    1. Re:Humans are more valuable than Computers by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      nah, those infected PCs running the billy bloatware tend to clog up the inter-tubes of webdom for those of us running the better stuff

    2. Re:Humans are more valuable than Computers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The negative effect from those of us running the better stuff is that we're marginalised and not catered to AND monopolies which prevent the exchange of information. An end to the bad stuff would only benefit those running the good stuff. As far as I'm concerned this is not an issue for the government. It can't do much anyway to stop the bad stuff. It isn't the viruses and spyware and other malware which are the problem. It is the shitty design and that isn't something the government should be helping with unless it is of the free variety (and I'm talking about freedom, not cost).

    3. Re:Humans are more valuable than Computers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If a disease outbreak ravages the country and kills the young, the old, the weak,

      ...

      then the strong will have survived and the ... world will be a better place.

      Not trying to be a troll, but I fail to see how the reasoning for the two scenarios is any different if the goal is improvement of something (software, people, whatever). If there is an inherent value in some things, then I'd like the argument explaining how there is no inherent value in different software and platforms. This is apart from specific comments on the specific usefulness of specific software (again, same can be made of people).

      Picking and choosing which basic philosophy to apply only works when there is an explanation why to use one and not the other.

    4. Re:Humans are more valuable than Computers by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      If a virus ravages the country and kills off Windows XP, Adobe Flash, and IIS, then the strong will have survived and the software world will be a better place.

      Malware, like real biological diseases, have evolved to where killing the host is a Bad Idea(tm) when it comes to spreading around. It's far better to keep the host alive and churning out copies of infection than to kill the host.

      The end result is that all the "better software users" will have to suffer through the crap caused by all the diseased hosts.

      Heck, remember the old IIS/SQL Server vulnerability from ages ago? When it hit, it took the internet down *hard* - vulnerable hosts were highly infectious, while other hosts had to suffer from the DoS caused by all the probes for vulnerability, plus the fact that all that bandwidth to hosts got rapidly chewed up. It only got discovered because it was so infectious that people noticed the bandwidth consumption from their PC - but innocent (and invulnerable) hosts had to suffer from the barrage of packets they could not control.

    5. Re:Humans are more valuable than Computers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      If a virus ravages the country and kills off Windows XP, Adobe Flash, and IIS, then the strong will have survived and the software world will be a better place.

      Except a successful virus doesn't kill it's host, it lives within the host. In the case of computer viruses, it sits idly by ready to spread spam, DDOS, steal personal information, etc. The computer is a resource, why would you kill a resource?

    6. Re:Humans are more valuable than Computers by dzfoo · · Score: 1

      What are you talking about? When did an old IIS/SQL Server vulnerability "took the internet down *hard*"?

      Those hosts being DoS'ed went down, sure, and then they were patched and came back up. Who died? What was the threat to humanity's future?

      When an outbreak of a disease occurs, people die. We create the CDC and other organizations, protocols, and methods in order to protect ourselves and secure our future. We do it because human death is a tragedy, not necessarily because it is inconvenient to be sick, or because it costs us too much.

      Comparing computer malware to biological diseases is ridiculous and only trivializes the latter.

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    7. Re:Humans are more valuable than Computers by dzfoo · · Score: 1

      By the way, that doesn't even consider that back "ages ago," IIS and SQL Server were hardly de rigueur in the Internet.

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    8. Re:Humans are more valuable than Computers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And then there is the case of the solution killing the host, like in the case of a new flu virus. Since there have been cases of an antivirus software taking down the OS, namely through the way of false positives, a parallel exits. An overly protective anti-virus software could be compared to an autoimmune decease like arthritis, where the condition slows down loading of OS components and other software, causing failure and frustration.

  11. Nice idea but.. by Brewmeister_Z · · Score: 1

    This agency would have to have international power and able to act swiftly. It would be nice to see some high profile punishment for hackers on the payroll of organized crime in countries that are weak on enforcement. Maybe we should take a Vegas casino stance on these guys like they do with their cheaters. Have fun with your "1337" hacking skills after someone breaks all your fingers with a hammer.

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  12. Brilliant! by kwiqsilver · · Score: 0

    Look at how well they handle airport security, natural disasters, delivering packages, stopping drug smugglers, determining if Iraq has nuclear research, planning a budget, improving the economy, and virtually every other task they've ever attempted.

    The only thing government does well is apply force, because that's all government is.

    I'd much rather have a company, whose profits are on the line (assuming the feds don't decide to bail them out), staffed by people, whose salaries are on the line, dealing with an issue than a bureaucrat who will use failure as an excuse to ask for a bigger budget. In private industry, failure is punished. In government, it's rewarded.

    1. Re:Brilliant! by compro01 · · Score: 2

      I'd much rather have a company, whose profits are on the line (assuming the feds don't decide to bail them out), staffed by people, whose salaries are on the line, dealing with an issue than a bureaucrat who will use failure as an excuse to ask for a bigger budget. In private industry, failure is punished. In government, it's rewarded.

      We have a company whose profits are on the line, staffed by people, whose salaries are on the line "dealing" with issues.

      It's called Microsoft.

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    2. Re:Brilliant! by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hey the stuff I get through the USPS in general is in better shape than the stuff I get through UPS or FedEx. I have gotten a number of packages through UPS and FedEx that looked like they have been backed over by the truck, or had foot prints on them thankfully most companies who ship stuff pack them accordingly so I haven't gotten prebroken stuff. Now you can trot out that the USPS looses money, but they have to go and get approval from our congress critters to raise their rates, must deliver service to all locations on all weekdays and Saturday which is something that UPS and FedEx don't have to do. There are things government should do and does well, the problem is when it gets into things it shouldn't (saving car companies) or when they try to privatize things they shouldn't (security contractors).

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    3. Re:Brilliant! by dkleinsc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      All right, all right ... Apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what has the government ever done for us?

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    4. Re:Brilliant! by Loopy · · Score: 1

      All right, all right ... Apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what has the government ever done for us?

      Sanitation: usually run by private companies (Allied Waste, etc.) at no tax cost an less cost per month than Netflix.

      Medicine: FDA/etc. only serve to make sure nothing breaks too badly. They have helped prevent abuses at times but are also guilty of preventing life-saving treatments for questionable reasons.

      Wine: Really?

      Public order: Sorta, but most of the really useful stuff is local, not federal. Just look at the DEA/BATF and the Mexican cartel gun sting (and others) for myriad reasons why they suck at it.

      Irrigation: you mean like the flooding all along the artificially screwed up Mississippi this year? Yeah, bad example, brah.

      Roads: another love/hate situation. In Texas, road crews are usually pretty efficient (block off a quarter mile of road for a few weeks, then move on to the next quarter mile) where Louisiana road crews are the epitome of sloth (ever drive I-10 in the 80s/90s? Dozens of miles of interstate reduced to single-lane traffic and you MIGHT find one truck every few miles).

      Fresh water: fair enough but again this is largely a local government issue, not federal. Then again, the science behind flourination and other treatments isn't settled yet, so not sure if this isn't something in a decade we'll all be decrying as another government boondoggle.

      Public health: Yes/no. Smallpox and such, great. DDT and others, not so much.

      We could argue for ages about government vs private sector and not agree. It's a good thing we have the ability to disagree without the government hauling us off to jail, eh? ;)

    5. Re:Brilliant! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that the correct response for THAT company's profit, is likely opposite to the correct response for "the health of the Internet" or other such metrics.

    6. Re:Brilliant! by kwiqsilver · · Score: 1

      Sanitation: Like the government garbage strikes in NYC, where trash piled up for weeks? A private company would get the trash picked up (unless prevented from doing so by "labor laws").

      Medicine: Government has run up the costs, and slowed the pace of innovation. When rich Canadians need surgery they leave their socialized system for the semi-socialized US system.

      Education: Like in Atlanta, where the government schools cheat to get money? The more control government has gained over education, the worse it has become. Or the fact that almost half of all US high school graduates are functionally illiterate.

      Wine: I have no idea what that has to do with government.

      Public Order: Wars in Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia, Panama, the Baltics. That's just a sample of the US's "public order" this century. If we look at the last century, we can add the Holocaust, the Soviet purges, the Killing Fields of Cambodia, Mao's cleansing, and countless other atrocities. Cops commit more murders in the US than they prevent, and as in the cases of Jose Guerena or John T. Williams, they get away with it. I refrain from murder, rape, and theft because it's wrong, not because it's illegal. And the vast majority of the population does as well.

      Irrigation: All the irrigation systems I know of are private. But I don't claim any level of expertise in the field.

      Roads: High quality roads, indeed! A private firm would see a bridge (or a road) as an asset to be maintained, in order to reduce the risk of lawsuits, and maintain revenue. To government it's an expense with nothing new and shiny to show the voters.

      Fresh water: That would be fairly difficult to do in private industry...at least the way we do it now. But it's not done at the federal level. The farther control of something gets from the people, the worse it seems to get.

      Public Health: Is having idiots scream that we're all going to die from the bird flu, or the swine flu, or the flying pigs flu a good thing?

      Other than those things, government is responsible for hundreds of millions of murders, stealing wealth from its owners and diverting it to those with political connections (particularly banks and military contractors), and generally slowing the progress of our society.

    7. Re:Brilliant! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When poor Canadians need surgery, they have a fairly long wait before it can be scheduled.

      When poor United States citizens need surgery, they simply can't get it.

      Yup, we're WAY better off than Canada here!

    8. Re:Brilliant! by Tom · · Score: 1

      For a while now I've come to the conclusion that the government should provide all essential services (water, electricity, Internet, postal service, mass-transit, etc.) via non-profit companies whose purpose it is to provide an acceptable quality at an acceptable price. At the same time, there is no state monopoly and anyone who feels he can do better is free to try.

      The private sector always claims it is more efficient than state-run companies. That's what brought us the whole desaster of privatisation. Well, if they are so much better, they will have no trouble competing and offering either better service or better price, or even both.

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  13. Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...ban Microsoft products.

  14. Stupidity. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just because viruses on computers and viruses in people have the same name and share some -very- vague similarities (i.e. they _can_ spread on their own) doesn't mean that every concept related to a computer can be translated into a biological one. Better security practices are needed, not another faceless organization to tell us about it. The CDC serves an important role because it tries to solve a problem completely unrelated problem to electronics, trying to shoehorn the same sort of organization into an IT role doesn't make any sense. Reeks of some governor's project that stands to make him a bit of pocket money, much like the TSA's "glow in the dark" scanners.

  15. Malware can be useful too by cpghost · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Sure, right now, malware is used to spew spam, steal credit card data etc... but one has to recognize that it is very resilient against all efforts to eradicate it. Fast forward a few years or in other regions, where Government wants to assume total control of the 'Net. Wouldn't malware be the only piece of distributed p2p software being able to resist total censorship? Let's not dismiss malware just because it is being used for nefarious purposes now: it could come very handy in the not too soon dystopian future.

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  16. It could also be the CDC by Tolkien · · Score: 1

    Cyber Defence Council!

  17. Ay, there's the rub. by Millennium · · Score: 1

    The thing about the CDC is that it is possible to immunize and/or treat basically anyone. Financial and logistical concerns may make doing so impractical, but where treatments exist, they tend to work to varying degrees in just about anybody.

    Malware isn't like this. Older software tends to lapse out of support. That's not an insurmountable problem in the OSS community, where the source code to the OS is available so that someone other than the maintainer could write a patch. But with closed and obsolete operating systems -Win95, for example, or Mac OS 9- who's going to write the patches?

    1. Re:Ay, there's the rub. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not entirely. There's always a small percentage of people who are allergic or have bad reactions to certain vaccines.

      Not nearly as bad as software, of course.

  18. We're doomed by Ray · · Score: 2

    When you're too stupid to properly name the problem you're trying to address then just BOAKYAG. I doubt there has been any threat from a virus in a decade; today's threats are trojans and worms.

  19. In this case, government is useful. by khasim · · Score: 0

    But not in providing the "solution".

    Rather, the government should update their requirements for "anti-virus" software to include:

    1. A bootable CD/DVD that runs the anti-virus app in order to bypass the problems of the "virus" interfering with the clean-up.

    2. Hashes (multiple hashes) of the KNOWN system files and their default locations and sizes.

    3. As with 2 above, but also including as many applications as possible.

    4. Of course the hashes would have to be easily updated after booting the CD/DVD. From a website and/or a local server (controlled by your IT department).

    5. Related to 4 above, include the ability for the local IT department to add their own hashes and locations of the apps they've developed "in house".

    At least this way the IT department SHOULD be able to tell what is NOT infected.

    I know, you might be able to get a collision on a specific file with a specific hash. But it is extremely unlikely that you can get multiple collisions for different hashes on that file and still keep it to that same size AND have it do anything "dangerous".

    Government specs it ... the market provides it.
    And the regular users benefit from it.

    1. Re:In this case, government is useful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why is the notion of foundational OS security not first on your list?
       

  20. Usually, competence is subject to political will by Quila · · Score: 1

    Take your example of the solicitor general. They are supposed to argue the position of the United States Government in the Supreme Court.

    The official position of the United States Government, by the passing by the House and Senate and signing by the President, is the Defense of Marriage Act. It is the law of the land regardless of its (IMHO) stupidity.

    However, due to political considerations, the "institutional competence" of the United States Solicitor General will not be used to defend the position of the United States Government as it its mandate.

    Likewise, for political reasons the Department of Justice refuses to use its professional competence to prosecute egregious examples of race-based voter intimidation.

    However, this issue of malware is not likely to be political, so the government might actually do a pretty good job in this role. It is interstate in nature, and it is a role, like fire departments, that is not efficiently served by free market solutions.

  21. Likely Response by Brainman+Khan · · Score: 2

    In order to server you better the Government Department of Internet Security has installed Friendly Protector 1.0
    Friendly Protector has determined you have 182 instances of unlicensed MP3's and movies please report to the nearest courthouse to pay your fine
    Fine is 458,000 made payable to the MPAA/RIAA and current politicians election campaign
    Friendly Protector has determined that you have 3 instance of adware, 1 instance has been approved and is now protected from removal on your system
    Please download AV protection to remove the other 2 instances of adware
    You have 1 instance of malware however we are unable to pursue this as our law enforcement branch is currently dispatching helicopters to your location to deal with the unlicensed copy of Ishtar found on your PC
    Thank you for using Friendly Protector 1.0 and look forward to 1.1 and phone GPS tracking software to further protect your security.

  22. Force of Government vs Botnets by Lance+Dearnis · · Score: 2

    I actually think that there's something going here. Pretty much all of us here, personally, would not benefit from government intervention - this is true. If you're here on /. reading the comments, I'll bet damn near all of us who have GOTTEN a virus, either did it on purpose or took a calculated risk expecting one. Most people who pick up malware are, to put it bluntly, idiots when it comes to computers.

    And the bad part IMO comes from when they get themselves turned into zombies - I wouldn't mind seeing the government trying their hand at applying their force and legal requirements to this end. Because most people don't have a financial incentive to try to remove themselves from a botnet if they're part of one, they won't go through the effort - or spend the money - for a private solution. To them, it's just a hassle, and one they've got no reason to go through with. The only way to persuade them to deal with that, at least, is a bigger hassle - the government being a pain in the neck.

    Now, for other malware, for phishers and scammers, hostile viruses and worms that attack you directly, I don't think the government can do much that the private industry isn't already doing - or the free software available is. When a problem comes up, they respond quickly, and I don't see how the government could aid aside from mandating some AV software of some kind - but that will already get rammed down your throat by whoever you call for tech support when your system goes belly-up, rendering it IMO not much improvement at all.

  23. Ok. by SCHecklerX · · Score: 2

    So, for diseases, we focus on prevention.

    Oh, right, we'd rather take a magic pill (antivirus software) than do the right things to keep it from happening in the first place. Exercise and proper diet? No way! It's not my fault I'm fat!

    1. Re:Ok. by Synerg1y · · Score: 1

      The magic pill is called pre-configuration, AV software is reactionary, which is why most people think they are 1000% more secure than they are. AV doesn't stop 0 day exploits or social engineering. Education and best practices however do.

      FTW it's ONLY your fault your fat :)

    2. Re:Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First thing I thought was, we DO treat malware like a disease. We immunize (antivirus) and treat what the immunization doesn't catch (stingers, removal tools, etc.).

      Problem is, we don't handle disease well either.

  24. This already exists: US-CERT by infernalC · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://www.us-cert.gov/

    From the US-CERT "About Us" page:

    US-CERT's mission is to improve the nation's cybersecurity posture, coordinate cyber information sharing and proactively manage cyber risks to the nation while protecting the constitutional rights of Americans. US-CERT vision is to be a trusted global leader in cybersecurity - collaborative, agile, and responsive in a complex environment.

    Information is available from the US-CERT web site, mailing lists, and RSS channels.

    US-CERT also provides a way for citizens, businesses, and other institutions to communicate and coordinate directly with the United States government about cyber security.

    Who runs US-CERT?
    US-CERT is the operational arm of the National Cyber Security Division (NCSD) at the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).

    Where is US-CERT located?
    US-CERT is located in the Washington DC Metropolitan area.

    What is US-CERT's relationship to NCSD and DHS?
    US-CERT is the operational arm of the National Cyber Security Division (NCSD) at the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). The NCSD was established by DHS to serve as the federal government's cornerstone for cyber security coordination and preparedness, including implementation of the National Strategy to Secure Cyberspace .

    1. Re:This already exists: US-CERT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean those guys who have an "About Us" page with a bullet list where all of the bullets are #1?

  25. ... It wouldn't be that difficult to create that. by idbeholda · · Score: 1

    Singlehandedly, I'm most of the way there. I'm not saying it to toot my own horn, but as a statement of fact. I've already got 7 (technically 8) databases implemented and currently in the process of creating three more. I don't really consider offensive.dat in the database list because it's designed for parental control scanning. http://www.tot-ltd.org/installation.db http://www.tot-ltd.org/blacklist/0-F http://www.tot-ltd.org/whitelist/0-F http://www.tot-ltd.org/API/ http://www.tot-ltd.org/ports/ http://www.tot-ltd.org/heuristics.dat http://www.tot-ltd.org/packer.db

  26. I'm not paying for that shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What Microsoft, Adobe, and Apple need are better QA and auditing. Either that or their software should be taxed in order to fund this initiative.

    1. Re:I'm not paying for that shit by HikingStick · · Score: 1

      No software is released 100% bug free (though I'll acknowledge that some players can do a better job). Once in the hands of the consumers, many of them don't update their products regularly, so even a system that was soundly coded and fully patched at the time of its initial deployment may well end up being a security risk down the line as new exploits are uncovered.

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  27. Doing Harm Should Exclude you from the internet by ryanw · · Score: 0

    If your computer or your network is doing harm or attempt to harm a 3rd party it's just as though you punched them in the face.

    I would be all for it if we could have these drones identified and kicked off the internet until they are proven decontaminated. This could be all handled at the ISP level. Maybe even just an "outbound filter" being put on these connections restricting their access down to HTTP port 80 and 443 traffic. With online web account the typical person uses gmail, yahoo mail, hotmail, facebook or some other form of email that doesn't require an email client configured. And if their email client doesn't work... who cares. They should be shut off the internet until they get their machine fixed.

    Being on the internet isn't a right, it's a privilege being governed by the free market and 3rd party private companies.

    A typical ISP reserves the right to drop you from service for any reason. They aren't required to keep you as a customer. I believe that greed within these entities keep this from happening. They don't want to risk reducing their customer base even 1%.

    So getting back to the typic of this post, if a prescience could be set of what is considered intrusive from one machine to the next, the government could mandate ISPs to shut down these systems at the request of a 3rd party which could provide evidence that this machine is attempting to do something malicious.

    If this happens then basically any machine trying to hit ports 139 or spraying ssh connections all over the internet, or smtp email all over the place, all these things could be shown as intent to harm a 3rd party and be shut down... And once it's down, they can resolve the issue and bring it back online.

    1. Re:Doing Harm Should Exclude you from the internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being booted from the net altogether is generally a bad idea as then you get locked out of the resources you need to remove the offensive software (barring a nuke and reinstall, which let's face it, isn't always an option.) So your idea of restricting traffic to http on ports 80 and 443 is probably the best bet.

      I would suggest taking things a step further and have the ISP redirect your initial http request to one of their pages explaining exactly why your usage is now limited (Mass outgoing SMTP, etc) and giving a few links to resources to help you resolve the issue. The pipes belong to the ISP (or, the top tier provider from whom they themselves lease,) so it is in their best interest to keep them clean.

      Of course at the end you run into the issue of how you are supposed to "prove" that your machine is clean again. I would think that you could solve the problem by having an ISP based virus scan reporting a clean result to get you unblocked. This runs into the problem of the viruses then being able to target one scanner in particular to "cloak" against in order to remain undetected. I would much rather see some sort of automated reporting baked into the anti-virus solutions already on the market that would report your clean scan for you to your ISP. This would require the virus to target a larger number of systems for cloaking there-by minimizing the number of false-negatives.

    2. Re:Doing Harm Should Exclude you from the internet by ryanw · · Score: 1

      My thoughts exactly. Apparently with how we got modded I'm guessing slashdotters don't share the same opinion.

      I really do think this is the right move. Being on the Internet is a privilege not a right. It's like driving on the autoban. If your machine is crippled, get over in the slow lane and stay there or you will get hurt; if your machine is healthy and strong open up the pipes and let 'er rip. Most people with a droned computer won't know any difference if their being filtered and throttled. Who cares??? It fixes the rest of the world and they dont even know the difference. And if they do figure it out, even better cause they can fix their problem and have their service fully restored.

  28. Reagan sure put a long lasting shine on that turd. by srobert · · Score: 0

    Ronald Reagan (peace be upon him) said: "Big Government IS the problem." And you bought it. And you've been buying it ever since.
    I'm not buying it. I didn't buy a lot of shit Reagan sold: Borax, Chesterfield cigarettes, supply-side economics. But Reagan sure knew how to shine those turds.
    Much can be done to solve this particular problem in the private sector, to be sure, and I don't necessarily disagree that legislation may be unnecessary. But I marvel at how quick the anti-government knee-jerk reflex kicks in. It's a testament to the successful propaganda campaign of corporate owned media and right wing think tanks.

  29. Sudden Outbreak by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1
  30. Overpriced treatments? by mrquagmire · · Score: 1

    If we treat it like a disease, then we should just "manage" the symptoms with overpriced "treatments," instead of actually fixing the problem.

    --
    giggity
  31. Just like real diseases? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So we should dump funding into malware research and make it such a big business for the "good guys" that we never cure the disease because they good guys are now making too much money off it?

  32. Not so much a disease as... by hpa · · Score: 1

    ... biological warfare. Malware didn't evolve naturally, it was engineered.

    1. Re:Not so much a disease as... by Fractal+Dice · · Score: 1

      Agreed. The analogy with real viruses breaks down when there is any sort of command and control involved in the malware. Also, a real virus will never pass up an opportunity to spread the moment it mutates, while a malware author might save their best new trick for a really special target. On the other hand, this might be a good opportunity to model a few aspects of how a hypothetical bioengineering arms race might play out.

  33. Re:Reagan sure put a long lasting shine on that tu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The default stance of any sane, clear-thinking individual who values their own individual freedom should be the anti-government stance. The answer to every problem is not: "there should be a law to prevent from happening / force to happen" and not every aspect of life needs a government bureaucracy to oversee and regulate it. That you don't agree with Reagan's comment doesn't make it any less true or valid. It's still the problem and will continue to be the problem for all eternity. I never understood why people place so much trust and faith in government when it continues to show time and time again it is not worthy or deserving of it.

  34. Most truly awful epidemics by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 1

    Become truly awful due to some element of human stupidity or laziness. People dump their poo on the sidewalks, businesses continuing to use IE6 instead of porting apps to standards,etc

  35. The CCDC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Well in that case, this magical government entity that was designed to protect us from all malicious infections would get in bed with the security companies. Because who else is going to fund this big grand organization? Our tax dollars?? HA! So after Symantec and McAfee get in bed with this Cyber CDC or CCDC, they will tell the CCDC what is profitable to them for the CCDC to label a virus. And so it goes that certain malware will not be profitable to treat and will thus be considered a bogus threat. Or you can look at the real world example with the CDC and Lyme disease.

  36. Non-political by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The problem is that the creation of such a thing would likely be just a giant 4th amendment violation most likely. Furthermore what does this group do exactly? Do they just cut you off the internet? Do they go on site and attempt to 'cure' the infection giving the businesses even less reason to keep themselves clean? Do they go on site and just take all infected computers never to be returned?

    Pretty sure regardless of the action done it's going to be a disaster waiting to happen.

  37. Re:Usually, competence is subject to political wil by Oxford_Comma_Lover · · Score: 1

    But the DOMA decision was highly controversial, even within the office, and is by far an outlier. For the most part, when new administrations come in they are gung-ho to use the SG's office to get all of their preferred cases to SCOTUS (i.e. the ones they'll win on), but the SG's office never winds up trying to do that because the long term institutional role of the office would be greatly undermined if they did.

    In addition, its mandate is *not* to defend DOMA--its mandate is to represent the United States Government, which does not mean fighting every case where they have an unsanctionable argument. In addition, where the issue comes before the Supereme Court, there is *zero* chance that there will not be competent representation if they drop out--it would be more worrying at the circuit level.

    --
    -- IANAL, this isn't legal advice, and definitely isn't legal advice for you. Also, Squee!
  38. A person vs a machine by Synerg1y · · Score: 2

    THE CDC exists because the consequence of not stopping an outbreak is a massive decline in the human population, such as during the plague in Europe. Malware infects computers because most IT departments are under staffed with no security budget, or sufficient knowledge.

    Also, lets define what a break in is, a DDOS attack launched by anonymous IS NOT a break in, it's just merely exactly what it states and thats no service. So DDOSing a place like lockheed doesn't get you anything besides an arrest warrant. But Lock Heed is filthy rich, we can't all be that way, so maybe we need something else...

    How about security certs? BBB ensures quality service from their businesses through membership. Why not have a ranking system for how strong your security system is. Say I don't want to give me SSN to a C ranked company over the web, but I have no problem with A.

    The point being we can handle this w/o the government and be all the better for it.

  39. Re:Reagan sure put a long lasting shine on that tu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ronald Regan (May the demons of the 9'th pit tighten his thumb screws a bit harder on this day)

    Fixed that for ya.

  40. Wait, isn't that the exact opposite of reality? by Medievalist · · Score: 1

    Private companies that want to continue to make a profit will make sure they get the job done. Political appointees, on the other hand, will keep their jobs if they fail, and most likely turn the failure into an increased budget, so next time they can fail on a more spectacular level.

    Anti-virus companies have a very strong built-in incentive to never actually put an end to malware, because that would put them out of business.

    Politicians have a built-in incentive to permanently eradicate malware, because the politician who did that would then certainly be either appointed or elected to a more powerful, more profitable post.

    1. Re:Wait, isn't that the exact opposite of reality? by Lanteran · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But politicians backed by the MAFIAA would institute trusted computing and a locked up internet in the name of eradicating malware. People only have to think malware is eradicated at no cost for them to be reelected.

      --
      "People don't want to learn linux" hasn't been a valid excuse since '03.
    2. Re:Wait, isn't that the exact opposite of reality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But politicians backed by the MAFIAA would institute trusted computing and a locked up internet in the name of eradicating malware. People only have to think malware is eradicated at no cost for them to be reelected.

      Are you saying that private companies are currently running the government anyway, so that the original argument is meaningless?

      Or are you saying that humans in general are so blind and ignorant that we can't be trusted to vote at all?

    3. Re:Wait, isn't that the exact opposite of reality? by Lanteran · · Score: 1

      What I'm saying is that if there's a big push to politically eliminate malware (which I think is what these last attacks are being spun to create), they will eliminate it, by pushing computers that are more locked down than iPads, and a locked down 1 way internet for those of us who hold on to our shotguns and Pentium IIIs.

      --
      "People don't want to learn linux" hasn't been a valid excuse since '03.
  41. Without a doubt... by JackCroww · · Score: 1

    This is the stupidest thing I have ever seen posted to Slashdot.

    --
    "Ayn Rand is a bloody socialist compared to me." - Robert A. Heinlein
    1. Re:Without a doubt... by drb226 · · Score: 2

      This is the stupidest thing I have ever seen posted to Slashdot.

      You must be new here...

  42. Dumbest idea ever. by geekmux · · Score: 1

    Give me a break. A cybersecurity version of CDC? Beyond the billions of taxpayer waste funding that abomination, care to explain how in the hell even the most ignorant dumb-ass moron user can't understand the simple instruction of "turn it off"?

    Malware is localized and contained within a hard drive, and instructions are just that simple to contain it. Turn the damn thing off, or disable all network interfaces. I don't need a multi-billion dollar agency telling me something the evening news could do just as easily. You're preventing Malware from spreading, not trying to control Ebola from killing your kids. And no, I don't give a shit how bad teenagers cry, it is possible for the human body to continue to function without the Internet or a cell phone if absolutely necessary.

  43. Freedom by srobert · · Score: 1

    AC, Please look up "straw man fallacy".
    Do you really think it's the government that's the only threat to your liberty. Do you suppose that corporations are interested in preserving your freedoms? If we can't check corporate power through government, how shall we do so?

  44. The moral of the story is by Quila · · Score: 1

    A politician can render a competent worker incompetent by telling him not to apply that competency.

    No matter how capable you are, you can't do your job if you're told not to.

    1. Re:The moral of the story is by Oxford_Comma_Lover · · Score: 1

      A politician can render a competent worker incompetent by telling him not to apply that competency.

      No matter how capable you are, you can't do your job if you're told not to.

      I think the moral is more that there have to be checks on the power of any government agency--in this case, both the Supreme Court and Congress would not have allowed DOMA to be undefended once certiorari was granted.

      Here, nobody at the SG's office was rendered incompetent by the decision not to defend DOMA. They are very good.

      --
      -- IANAL, this isn't legal advice, and definitely isn't legal advice for you. Also, Squee!
  45. Security DESPERATELY needs meaningful metrics. by dweller_below · · Score: 2

    Security DESPERATELY needs meaningful metrics. Infection rates would be a good start.

    I did some thinking on this a year ago: https://it.wiki.usu.edu/SecurityPerformanceMetric

    Comprehensive IT Epidemiology could provide us with meaningful ways to compare various approaches to security.

    The problem is, nobody wants to share. It's too embarrassing.

    Maybe if I start?

    I do IT security for USU. From March 2009 to March 2010 some of our Infection rates were:

            * Conficker: 15/12677 = .00118 or about 12/10K per year. 1/10K per month.
            * Torpig: 20/12677 = .00158 or about 16/10K per year. 1.3/10K per month.
            * Mebroot: 5/12677 = .00039 or about 4/10K per year. .33/10K per month.

    Now, if only I could get stats from other institutions, and compare their security measures.

    It would be heavenly to be able to perform meaningful evaluations on the effectiveness of our various security measures.

    Miles

  46. Just make it a felony by Cute+Fuzzy+Bunny · · Score: 1

    Step 1: Draft a law that says anyone writing a computer virus or malware that causes significant damage to users computers to be liable for all the damage and spend up to life in prison for their efforts. This crap is no different than walking into 100,000 - 100,000,000 homes and either smashing their computer or taking a couple of hundred bucks out of their wallet.
    Step 2: Get all of the worlds nations to agree with the law and enforce it within their borders. Anyone who doesnt feel like it gets no aid from anyone else ever again.
    Step 3: Watch most of these morons find something else to do with their spare time.
    Step 4: Watch the ones that arent smart enough to do something else spend 45 years making license plates and sending their earnings to the computer users who had to buy a new computer or pay someone to fix theirs.

    Despite loading antivirus and antimalware software on every computer in my extended family, about 75% of them annually get malware that cripples and eventually renders the machine useless. It usually takes me 3-5 hours to run scans, remove the malware, and recover their data. At this point I have a backup of everybody's machine so I can just restore them in 15 minutes to a previous working state. What a huge waste of my time and resources.

    1. Re:Just make it a felony by knorthern+knight · · Score: 1

      > Step 1: Draft a law that says anyone writing a computer virus or malware

      There are already laws punishing unauthorized access to computers. Kevin Mitnick did jail time for NON-destructive unauthorized access.

      > Step 2: Get all of the worlds nations to agree with the law and enforce it within their borders.

      Bwahahahahahahaha. Just like the US has managed to get Mexico and Colombia and Afghanistan to stop sending drugs to the US? Just like they've stopped piracy off the coast of Africa? And how are you going to get North Korea and China to reign in their military?

      --

      I'm not repeating myself
      I'm an X window user; I'm an ex-Windows user
  47. Very good at sitting on the sidelines by Quila · · Score: 1

    While they are ordered NOT to do their duty and defend the position of the United States Government.

    In general though, I would hope they are among the least competent people in government. These are the people who defend laws that are very often unconstitutional. They were the ones defending the the various civil rights abuses caused by the war on drugs.

    1. Re:Very good at sitting on the sidelines by Oxford_Comma_Lover · · Score: 1

      In general though, I would hope they are among the least competent people in government. These are the people who defend laws that are very often unconstitutional. They were the ones defending the the various civil rights abuses caused by the war on drugs.

      Neal Katyal defended Guantanamo detainees before becoming acting S/G. He is a highly competent man and a humble one.

      The office much more frequently defends laws that are constitutional, and much more frequently than that decides not to appeal cases the government has lost.

      The majority of civil rights abuses are not defended by the SG's office, but by the state attorneys general. If the SG's office were doing it, it would be far more competently done--and the Supreme Court already comes down against such rights too frequently, because for the most part the people whose rights are violated are particularly unsympathetic characters. (Which is no excuse, but it is a large part of why the scope of rights in the US has contracted since the civil rights era.)

      --
      -- IANAL, this isn't legal advice, and definitely isn't legal advice for you. Also, Squee!
  48. But... by Tharsman · · Score: 1

    The way we treat disease is by ignoring cures, developing expensive treatments, and enslaving the patients to life-long pill taking to keep the disease in check while they are milked of their hard earned money.... Even anti-virus software makers are that evil...

  49. Bleepity... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't that what Bleepingcomputer.com is...?
    the help Winders people get ridda bugs n shit.

  50. Malware a disease? by Old+Sparky · · Score: 1

    Whoa! Here's a concept; how about we treat crappy OSes like a disease?

  51. Bad analogy leads to bad decisions, film at 11 by ka9dgx · · Score: 1

    Cells get infected when rogue genetic material gets past their defenses. A single infected cell can eventually lead to massive side effects.

    The same thing is true when rogue programs get past firewalls, antivirus, etc.. A single computer can result in network wide side effects. Thus far the analogy holds, and is a helpful tool.

    Unlike the situation with our cells, we can redesign the way our operating systems work, so that they don't trust programs. This shift would then allow the user (or administrator) to decide what resources would be made available to any given instance of a program. This makes it practical to limit the side effects of a rogue program, or even one which just has a bug.

    Computer security can be FIXED, and we should start working on it now, so that the lack of a solution isn't used as an excuse for more intrusion, and destruction of liberty.

  52. Idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This guy must be an idiot. If you wanted to spend 100 million dollars for what a single, crappy security researcher could do, I guess it is a way to burn through tons of money.

  53. You're the disease... by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 2

    ... I'm the cure. This is where the law stops and I start, sucker.

    (Cue automatic weapons fire and explosions).

  54. Immunization it is then... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To "immunize" a Windows system, I effectively use the principles in "layered security" possibles!

    I.E./E.G.-> I have done so since 1997-1998 with the most viewed, highly rated guide online for Windows security there really is which came from the fact I also created the 1st guide for securing Windows, highly rated @ NEOWIN (as far back as 1998-2001) here:

    http://www.neowin.net/news/apk-a-to-z-internet-speedup--security-text

    & from as far back as 1997 -> http://web.archive.org/web/20020205091023/www.ntcompatible.com/article1.shtml which Neowin above picked up on & rated very highly.

    That has evolved more currently, into the MOST viewed & highly rated one there is for years now since 2008 online:

    http://www.bing.com/search?q=%22HOW+TO+SECURE+Windows+2000%2FXP%22&go=&form=QBRE

    Which has well over 500,000++ views online (actually MORE, but 1 site with 75,000 views of it went offline/out-of-business) & it's been made either:

    ---

    1.) An Essential Guide
    2.) 5-5 star rated
    3.) A "sticky-pinned" thread
    4.) Most viewed in the category it's in (usually security)
    5.) Got me PAID by winning a contest @ PCPitStop (quite unexpectedly - I was only posting it for the good of all, & yes, "the Lord works in mysterious ways", it even got me PAID -> http://techtalk.pcpitstop.com/2007/09/04/pc-pitstop-winners/ (see January 2008))

    ---

    Across 15-20 or so sites I posted it on back in 2008... & here is the IMPORTANT part, in some sample testimonials to the "layered security" methodology efficacy:

    ---

    SOME QUOTED TESTIMONIALS TO THE EFFECTIVENESS OF SAID LAYERED SECURITY GUIDE I AUTHORED:

    http://www.xtremepccentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=672ebdf47af75a0c5b0d9e7278be305f&t=28430&page=2

    "I recently, months ago when you finally got this guide done, had authorization to try this on simple work station for kids. My client, who paid me an ungodly amount of money to do this, has been PROBLEM FREE FOR MONTHS! I haven't even had a follow up call which is unusual." - THRONKA, user of my guide @ XTremePcCentral

    AND

    "APK, thanks for such a great guide. This would, and should, be an inspiration to such security measures. Also, the pc that has "tweaks": IS STILL GOING! NO PROBLEMS!" - THRONKA, user of my guide @ XTremePcCentral

    AND

    http://www.xtremepccentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=672ebdf47af75a0c5b0d9e7278be305f&t=28430&page=3

    "Its 2009 - still trouble free! I was told last week by a co worker who does active directory administration, and he said I was doing overkill. I told him yes, but I just eliminated the half life in windows that you usually get. He said good point. So from 2008 till 2009. No speed decreases, its been to a lan party, moved around in a move, and it still NEVER has had the OS reinstalled besides the fact I imaged the drive over in 2008. Great stuff! My client STILL Hasn't called me back in regards to that one machine to get it locked down for the kid. I am glad it worked and I am sure her wallet is appreciated too now that it works. Speaking of which, I need to call her to see if I can get some leads. APK - I will say it again, the guide is FANTASTIC! Its made my PC experience much easier. Sandboxing was great. Getting my host file updated, set

  55. Send them to... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A disease? Well let's those virus's to AA (those Anonymous assholes).

  56. Same methods exist 4 Linux &/or MacOS X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Other Operating Systems have, in principle, the same general features & guides for them also that implement "layered security" methods as well, as seen here:

    ---

    Apple's MacOS X Security Guide:

    http://www.apple.com/support/security/guides/

    ---

    &

    ---

    Securing Linux:

    http://www.puschitz.com/SecuringLinux.shtml

    (Linux in particular has a WEALTH of information here in fact in the topic of securing it far, Far, FAR BETTER than the "default" shipping setup, & the above link is only a tiny sampling thereof too, mind you!)

    AND?

    Linux distros (many to most), also have SeLinux!

    (Which the NSA themselves "bolted onto" std. Linux making it possible to have MAC (analog to Windows NT-based OS ACL's &/or an analog to Windows NT-based OS "Group Policies" (gpedit.msc) + "Security Policies" (secpol.msc)).

    ---

    * So yes, OS' can be SECURED, & far better than they ship to "end users" by default... but, YOU have to take the time to do it yourself largely is all!

    (There are tools that help, for Linux &/or Windows, there exists the CIS Tool which is multiplatform & does help guide "the novice" somewhat, & makes it almost "fun-to-do", like running a benchmark of system speed, albeit in CIS Tools' case, for security (based on security std.s/"best-practices", for the OS @ hand tested))

    APK

    P.S.=> However, THE MAIN PROBLEMS TODAY IMO? End users themselves being ignorant or uncaring about it, allowing for "spreading the disease" for one thing (ignorance IS excusable though, they're NOT "expert" @ computing etc. - but not helping them out on the part of those who ARE in fact, "expert", is imo, inexcusable by the same token)

    AND, of course/as well:

    The malware makers/hacker-crackers out online, in general, also... but - these types @ least do "1 good thing" imo @ least & that's POINTING OUT WHAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED!

    So, "all that said & aside":

    MS is doing the right thing, so are folks like GOOGLE on this account as another example thereof as well, & so far folks like Norton DNS, OpenDNS, & ScrubIT DNS also (they employ filtering DNS servers that are FREE TO USE, vs. malware, phishing, bogus DNS servers, botnet C&C Servers, known maliciously scripted sites, or sites KNOWN to serve up malware too!).

    So, security's (especially "layered security", the best thing we as end users currently have going in fact in our favor) IS DOABLE, but you have to know what to look for, sometimes a guide too (because it's a WEE bit complex, but not really as opposed to harder things in the art & science of computing such as programming imo)

    ... apk

  57. Anonymous &/or LulzSec do 1 good thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They point out what needs fixing/shoring-up, security-wise... & they don't "take advantage of it" typically, + do serious damage...

    E.G.-> In fact, in the case of the UK's NHS? They even WARNED THEM that their administrative password file was WIDE OPEN for anyone to see/use in fact...

    See here on that very note in fact:

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    LulzSec warn NHS of cyber attack hacking threat:

    http://uk.ibtimes.com/articles/160624/20110610/lulzsec-lulz-security-nhs-health-service-cyber-attack-weak-hack-hackers-hacked-sony-nintendo-network.htm

    ---

    * So, as you can see? Yes - There is "always some good to be made out of 'the bad'" (& in their case? They're not all bad @ all!).

    (It really depends on HOW you look @ them & what they're doing is all... they could in fact, do a LOT worse!)

    APK

    P.S.=> "Onwards, & UPWARDS!!!", lol... apk

  58. OH, GOODY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Instead of good programming practices, let's KEEP the idea of infinite spending alive by bringing in the GOVERNMENT to do what they do worst: swat bugs and help people!

    Seriously: nobody ever calls for government help and GETS it, they get screwed. Remember what "Net Neutrailty" turned into?

    PLEASE STOP ASKING FOR THE FED TO DESTROY THE INTERNET!