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McCain Decries "Hobbits," Accused of Ringbearing

Oxford_Comma_Lover writes "Senator McCain decried Tea Party 'Hobbits' on Wednesday for their failure to support the GOP's debt deal, at times reading from a WSJ editorial that began the analogy. The Tea Party fired back, with a prominent member noting on CNN that McCain had been corrupted by the ring of power. The full text of his floor remarks should be in the Congressional Record later today."

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  1. Well ... by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... if the US Government had the same budget as a Peter Jackson movie we wouldn't be in this fiscal mess, now would we? ;-)

    1. Re:Well ... by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They do. They just went over the budget because they decided to do the war scenes with real extras instead of much cheaper CGI.

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  2. Silly McCain... by TehCable · · Score: 5, Funny

    One does not simply walk into Metaphor.

    1. Re:Silly McCain... by RavenChild · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sir, please remove that 1 from your UID. You have been promoted.

  3. LolzSec? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ok, which one of you hacked his teleprompter?

  4. Obviously McCain doesn't understand the story by dkleinsc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Tea Party aren't Hobbits by any stretch of the imagination - hobbits are more like 1970's back-to-the-land hippie organic farmer types.

    No, the Tea Party seems to be much more like the Easterlings, who's society has been thoroughly corrupted by promises of power regardless of the decency or lack thereof of the individual members. And Obama seems to be playing the role of Denethor, trying to hold back the tide but not really being able to do so and kinda ambiguous about where he's loyalties really lie.

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    1. Re:Obviously McCain doesn't understand the story by XJHardware · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Disagree. In Tolkien's narrative the Hobbits were clearly an analog for simple English villagers that he grew up around. They want to live life without the bother of the ambitious and the power hungry. The Tea Party are those same simple folk, transplanted into our modern era, who have reluctantly decided to get involved. A few years back they were being denigrated as the inhabitants of "flyover states". Nobody cared about them and they didn't matter, until they decided to get involved and upset the status quo. Because both parties represent two faces of the same shit mountain. Choosing between Democrat and Republican is like choosing between Saruman and Sauron.

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    2. Re:Obviously McCain doesn't understand the story by MontyApollo · · Score: 4, Informative

      It was a sarcastic remark - he was quoting the Wall Street Journal who was saying that the Tea Party rather simplistically see themselves as being heroic good little hobbits out to vanquish the obviously evil Mordor without regard to reality. Basically, the Wall Street Journal was saying the Tea Party worldview was rather fucked up, and McCain was emphasizing this.

    3. Re:Obviously McCain doesn't understand the story by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 4, Funny

      The Sauron and Saruman presidential bid provided this country with the strong leadership it needed, backed with wisdom and experience. The Gandalf, Aragorn bid gave us a man on his last legs hitched to an unknown forest ranger from a state not even contiguous with the rest of Gondor!

      Now, it's true that the Denethor administration left the country in a terrible way, in considerable debt, fighting losing wars on two fronts, and many were uncomfortable with the presidents stance on religious issues, especially funeral rituals. But that is no reason for people to turn away from strong leadership and a prosperous future, in favour of weed smoking, sound-bites about all the free peoples of Middle Earth, most of whom the majority of Gondorian's don't even know exist outside of legends!

      I remind the house that in Mordorian society, there are no taxes, and no unnecessary labour or environmental protection, and all that is needed to succeed is drive, ambition, and a phalanx of orc mercenaries. The Sauruman bid allows us to partake in this forward looking society, abandon the failed liberal policies of Eldarianism, and return Gondor to the glories of its manifest destiny, as it was in the days of Ar-Pharazon!

      Therefore, I urge citizen to cooperate with the new regime and offer up their young as orc feed as eagerly as I would offer up my own. Thank you, and God Bless Gondor.

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    4. Re:Obviously McCain doesn't understand the story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You gotta be fucking kidding me. There is nothing simple, wholesome, grassroots, or legitimate about any teaparty candidate. It's an image that's been sold to you and nothing else. These people did not "decide to get involved" there were handpicked by rich conservative interests to front for extreme pro-business and pro-wealthy agenda.

      Recent effective uncapping of campaign contributions let private investors buy elections with unrelenting media saturation. You just don't care to question where the money came from. Nobody has ever been to a teaparty fundraiser.

      Their voting record reveals the truth. Complete lockstep, unwavering synchronization. Zero deviation among the ranks of a group of people that are supposed to be 'grassroots', 'mavericks', and 'fiercely independent'. They're employees, not politicians.

      Fake politics, fake people, fake values, fake truth. This is the modern republicanism. Real conservatives are gone.

  5. Smeagol by vawwyakr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think we have to admit that McCain does bare some resemblance to Smeagol. I think the problem with the Tea Partiers is that they see it as being their way or nothing. I understand their perspective and conviction but I think the issue is that they want to do it ALL at once. No compromise, every vote they make must include everything they think has to be done for the next 20 years of government. I think the problem is if we do it their way the whole economy is going to come crashing down. People complain about government spending but then seem to forget that a large % of the US is employeed (directly or indirectly) by the government. You YANK that out all at once and I think we'll be reminiscing about the good old days of only 10% unemployment.

    1. Re:Smeagol by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Interesting

      We're seeing what was predicted two or three years ago. The Tea Party is poisonous to the Republicans, not the Democrats. It's pretty clear that Boehner is at maximum frustration level, and I think it's beginning to dawn on mainline and moderate Republicans that the Tea Party tail is now wagging the GOP dog. There's a level of hysterical irrationality about the Tea Party that is now coming into full view. They're not interested in governing at all.

      I'm sure the White House has a long list of contingencies in place just like Clinton did when he was up against the Gingrich mob, and is probably quite content to watch the Republicans and the Tea Party wing battle it out. I think 2012 is pretty damned safe for him.

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  6. Re:Well That Does It by H0p313ss · · Score: 4, Funny

    So with Tolkien done and Superheros on the way out what's next?

    Krispy Kreme the movie?

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  7. Does whatever a Saru can by tepples · · Score: 4, Funny

    So with Tolkien done and Superheros on the way out what's next?

    Crossovers! "Saru-man, Saru-man, does whatever a Saru can"

  8. Re:Easy enough by ArcherB · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you hate government so much, move to Somalia. Seriously.

    If you love water so much, why not move to the middle of the Atlantic?

    The problem is not government in general. The problem is TOO MUCH government, and too much CENTRALIZED government. You have much more power influencing your local and state government than you will ever have trying to influence the federal government. This should be obvious when you consider that 48/50 US Senators don't care about you or your state.

    If we had more local control over our lives, your argument would carry much more weight. You could say, "If you hate government so much, move to Mississippi. Seriously." and you would know that the person you are talking to could truly move to Mississippi. Of course, if they are already in MS, you could tell them to keep their noses out of your state's business.

    It's all clearly explained in the 10'th Amendment. Unfortunately, all three branches of our government seem to ignore it, even though they've all taken an oath to defend it. Clearly, the 10th Amendment means SOMETHING. I mean, the founders wouldn't have put in there for nothing. It's not like they had nine amendments and said, "Let's make up one more to make in an even 10."

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  9. Re:It's OK by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    McCain is a moderate republican. We don't have many of those out there any more... What happened in the last election was during the primaries he had to seem like he was far right, after he did that he failed to move to the center very well. Oboma had the advantage of being after Bush, If Donald Duck won the Democratic primaries he probably would have been president, and he made the shift from Far Left to Center very gracefully.

    We have a hole society who thinks that Moderates are week minded. They are not, they can hold strong to their convictions however they are not stupidly just holding onto Redirect and take each issue as it comes up. We need to demand more moderates, but the ext reams on both sides have us believe if we elect a moderate the ideals of the party will be compromised away, which isn't true.

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  10. Re:Easy enough by Jawnn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If citizens actually had free choice in which government programs to fund as well as how much to contribute, the size of the US government (measured both in revenue and power over the people) would be 1/10 the size of today's utter monstrosity.

    And if citizens literally had to cut a check at the beginning of every year, rather than pay through deliberately-obfuscated systems designed to hide the true cost of government, the size of government would be cut again by 90%.

    No. It would not, unless, of course, you have some facts to back up this remarkable assertion. No? Didn't think so. Please stop parroting stuff you've heard parroted by various Fox News personalities. Simplistic "solutions" like this sound attractive until one spends more than ten seconds thinking about them. Then their absurdity becomes obvious. And no, I don't mean fiscal responsibility is absurd. I mean that it's absurd to suggest that the government we want can operate on a tiny fraction of it's current revenue. Not even close. So this suggestion, one that is near and dear to Tea Bagger hearts everywhere, is nothing but an absurd distraction from the critical process of meaningful reform, reform that actually has a chance of solving the very real problems we are facing. It is the folly of indulging this absurd distraction that Senator McCain refers to, and (I can't believe I'm saying this...), he's absolutely right.

  11. Re:Easy enough by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Everyone thinks some of government should be cut.

    No one agrees on what that some should be.

    That's the entire problem.

  12. Re:Easy enough by DrgnDancer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Do you really think this is the case? What I see is a lot of people saying: "Don't touch my Medicare, don't touch my Social Security, don't raise my taxes, and balance the budget." Which is sort of a ridiculous position to take. Even if we're allowed to touch defense (which a lot of people don't want either) that's not enough room to maneuver. Hell a strikingly large percentage of Americans don't even seem to realize that Medicare and Social Security are tied to the federal government and the debt. Remember back during the health care debate when the nice old lady stood up to President Obama to say something along the lines of "I hate socialized medicine and don't touch my Medicare?"

    I don't think people are stupid, but much like with technology they often lack the bandwidth in their daily lives to learn as much about politics as they probably should. People want more responsible government, and smaller government until they see how it's going to affect them personally. Everyone's happy with the idea that we should cut "stuff" out of the budget, but when the "stuff" gets personalized to "My Medicare", "My defense industry job", "My road project in my town" or whatever the happy starts to wane. Then you start hearing the "Well don't cut stuff like that, cut stuff like funding for research on the affects of cow methane on the local owl population (or pick your ridiculous government project of choice)" crowd starts up; blithely ignoring that fact that a) some of that research actually is valuable, just not in obvious ways, and b) it represents a really small portion of the federal budget.

    We have among the lowest taxes in the developed world in this country, and we have the infrastructure to prove it. I'm not saying we should move to the European model of 40% taxes (yes, I pulled this number out of my butt, your European taxes may be higher or lower than this figure), but we can easily balance the budget with some prudent and moderate cuts to spending, along with very modest tax increases to say, where they were just 10 years ago. I know that real "small government" people like you probably understand the cuts that would be needed for true "small government", I'm not saying that you don't full understand your position. I'm saying that if most people truly understood what it meant to cut government this way, far fewer of them would support the idea.

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  13. Re:Easy enough by Phreakiture · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm not convinced that it is the quantity of government, but rather its specific content. The government is doing things that it should not, and not doing things that it should. Reducing the size of government might reduce the number of things it is doing that it should not, but I assure you the other side of this imbalance will only get worse, because the government will likely also stop doing several things that it should be doing.

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  14. Re:Easy enough by Vancorps · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What are you basing this on? In the 19th century the USA wasn't a super power and wasn't doing all that well with pretty much slave labor camps otherwise known as textile mills just to get started. In the 20th century we became a super power due to massive infrastructure investments giving us our highway system and DARPA helped us build the Internet as we know it today. Sorry, government played a huge part in all of that. Everything from establishing minimal wage to setting fire codes help improve the way of life of every American and not just the robber barrens of the 19th century.

    I don't see anyone leaving this country because they feel the government is too oppressive, if they did I'm not sure where they would go since Europe has a lot of the same policies, Asia is even tighter on freedom of expression and Africa is filled with strike. I guess that leaves Australia? While full of nice people and hot aussie chicks, they too have been spying on their citizens and doing the same things as our government including failed regulation leading to a massive oil spill off of their shores. So I guess that leaves Antarctica? Of course there are our dear friends to the north but Canada has its problems too, the grass is always greener on the other side. So I guess I have trouble picturing what a freer nation is. There aren't many nations out there where you will pay less in taxes, usually twice as much and don't forget the artificially low cost of gas here.

  15. Re:It's OK by jd2112 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    McCain is a moderate republican. We don't have many of those out there any more...

    Moderate Republicans aren't hard to find, however most of them call themselves 'Democrats'.

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