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The Most Expensive One-Byte Mistake

An anonymous reader writes "Poul-Henning Kamp looks back at some of the bad decisions made in language design, specifically the C/Unix/Posix use of NUL-terminated text strings. 'The choice was really simple: Should the C language represent strings as an address + length tuple or just as the address with a magic character (NUL) marking the end? ... Using an address + length format would cost one more byte of overhead than an address + magic_marker format, and their PDP computer had limited core memory. In other words, this could have been a perfectly typical and rational IT or CS decision, like the many similar decisions we all make every day; but this one had quite atypical economic consequences.'"

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  1. The Road Not Taken by symbolset · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
    And sorry I could not travel both
    And be one traveler, long I stood
    And looked down one as far as I could
    To where it bent in the undergrowth;

    Then took the other, as just as fair,
    And having perhaps the better claim,
    Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
    Though as for that the passing there
    Had worn them really about the same,

    And both that morning equally lay
    In leaves no step had trodden black.
    Oh, I kept the first for another day!
    Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
    I doubted if I should ever come back.

    I shall be telling this with a sigh
    Somewhere ages and ages hence:
    Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
    I took the one less traveled by,
    And that has made all the difference.

    - Robert Frost, 1920

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    1. Re:The Road Not Taken by IICV · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Everyone misunderstands that poem.

      Robert Frost had a fairly depressing outlook on life, and the point of the poem is that it doesn't matter what road you take.

      I mean, just pay attention to the narrative tense in the last stanza, the one people take to be so life-affirming and "do something different!". The narrator isn't saying "I did this, and I know it was important"; he's saying "I did this, and I think that in the future I'm going to tell people it was important".

      The narrator is a vain, shallow individual who frets about insignificant decisions like this, thinking that they will have some gigantic impact on his life, and then later on blows those choices up to be of earthshattering proportions. This is all despite the fact that half the poem is about how the roads are effectively identical; and in the end, he doesn't even tell us what was important about the path he took, just that it was the "one less traveled by" (which makes no sense! They were "just as fair", they had been "worn ... really about the same", they "both that morning equally lay".)

      Basically, if we apply this poem to the current situation, what it's saying is that in alternate 2011 we'd have an article about how null-terminated strings would have been better than Pascal strings. It doesn't matter what path you take, if you're the right kind of person you'll always blow up the significance of it in your mind later.

    2. Re:The Road Not Taken by billstewart · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes, you got the author right. The trick is that in the 1920 edition, he's taking the other road...

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    3. Re:The Road Not Taken by looie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not sure where you took your "poetical exegesis" class, but you should ask for a refund.

      The narrator as "vain, shallow individual" is entirely a character pulled out of your hindquarters, as there is nothing in the text of the poem to lead to that conclusion.

      The poem is simply a reflection on how we, as individuals, make choices in life. Some of us choose to take the direction taken by most of those around us. That might be university, family, job, retirement in FL. Some of us choose to turn aside from that direction and try another path. Programming a PDP to play "Space Travel," for example. Or writing an operating system "just for fun."

      Frost's suggestion is that these choices of path may seem insignificant at the time -- both paths being nearly the same; but that, as "way leads on to way," there's no going back and thus we may find ourselves down a path that leads to unexpected places. When Linus Torvalds wrote linux, he could not know that "the path less traveled" would lead to fame and fortune, literally. The college kids who created Slashdot could not know it would make them rich.

      In fact, the point of the poem is exactly that it does matter which path you take. But that you don't always know how your choice is going to turn out. Frost himself might have continued his career as a teacher, a stable and certain means of supporting his family. Instead, he chose to focus on his poetry. He took a chance. And it worked well for him.

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    4. Re:The Road Not Taken by cecille · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Would anyone care you join me
      in flicking a few pebbles in the direction
      of teachers who are fond of asking the question:
      "what is the poet trying to say?"

      as if Thomas Hardy and Emily Dickinson
      had struggled but ultimately failed in their efforts -
      inarticulate wretches that they were,
      biting their pens and staring out of the windows for a clue.

      Yes, it seems that Whitman, Amy Lowell
      and the rest could only try and fail,
      but we in Mrs. Parker's third-period English class
      here at Springfield High will succeed

      with the help of these study questions
      in saying what the poor poet could not,
      and we will get all this done before
      that orgy of egg salad and tuna fish known as lunch.

      -- from Billy Collins "The Effort"

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    5. Re:The Road Not Taken by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 3

      Whose code is this I think I know
      'Tis filled with buffer overflows
      His pointer is not stopping here
      As the megs of garbage data grow

      My CPU must think it queer
      To scan for null bytes not found here
      Between the stack and blocks of code
      Canary values, segfault near

      It gives the PC bell a quake
      To ask if there is some mistake
      The only other sound's the sweep
      Of swapping pages disk head shake

      The stack is swelling very fast
      But allocated buffer's past
      And megs to fill before a crash
      And megs to fill before a crash

  2. Missed the point by mgiuca · · Score: 5, Informative

    Interesting, but I think this article largely misses the point.

    Firstly, it makes it seem like the address+length format is a no-brainer, but there are quite a lot of problems with that. It would have had the undesirable consequence of making a string larger than a pointer. Alternatively, it could be a pointer to a length+data block, but then it wouldn't be possible to take a suffix of a string by moving the pointer forward. Furthermore, if they chose a one-byte length, as the article so casually suggests as the correct solution (like Pascal), it would have had the insane limit of 255-byte strings, with no compatible way to have a string any longer. (Though a size_t length would make more sense.) Furthermore, it would be more complex for interoperating between languages -- right now, a char* is a char*. If we used a length field, how many bytes would it be? What endianness? Would the length be first or last? How many implementations would trip up on strings > 128 bytes (treating it as a signed quantity)? In some ways, it is nice that getaddrinfo takes a NUL-terminated char* and not a more complicated monster. I'm not saying this makes NUL-termination the right decision, but it certainly has a number of advantages over addr+length.

    Secondly, this article puts the blame on the C language. It misses the historical step of B, which had the same design decision (by the same people), except it used ASCII 4 (EOT) to terminate strings. I think switching to NUL was a good decision ;)

    Hardware development, performance, and compiler development costs are all valid. But on the security costs section, it focuses on the buffer overflow issue, which is irrelevant. gets is a very bad idea, and it would be whether C had used NUL-terminated strings or addr+len strings. The decision which led to all these buffer overflow problems is that the C library tends to use a "you allocate, I fill" model, rather than an "I allocate and fill" model (strdup being one of the few exceptions). That's got nothing to do with the NUL terminator.

    What the article missed was the real security problems caused by the NUL terminator. The obvious fact that if you forget to NUL-terminate a string, anything which traverses it will read on past the end of the buffer for who knows how long. The author blames gets, but this isn't why gets is bad -- gets correctly NUL-terminates the string. There are other, sneaky subtle NUL-termination problems that aren't buffer overflows. A couple of years back, a vulnerability was found in Microsoft's crypto libraries (I don't have a link unfortunately) affecting all web browsers except Firefox (which has its own). The problem was that it allowed NUL bytes in domain names, and used strcmp to compare domain names when checking certificates. This meant that "google.com" and "google.com\0.malicioushacker.com" compared equal, so if I got a certificate for "*.com\0.malicioushacker.com" I could use it to impersonate any legitimate .com domain. That would have been an interesting case to mention rather than merely equating "NUL pointer problem" with "buffer overflow".

    1. Re:Missed the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    2. Re:Missed the point by snowgirl · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not to mention the argument for "because space was at a premium" is specious, because either you had a 8-bit length prepended to the string, or you had an 8-bit special value appended to the end of the string. Both ways result in the same space usages.

      From what I read in the summary, (didn't read TFA) this whole thing sounds like a propaganda piece supporting the idea that we should use length+string, by presenting it as "this should have been a no-brainer but the idiots making C screwed up."

      As a nitpicky pedantic note though, if C had gone with length+string format, then other languages would have been written around the C standard, since most of them were written around the C standards to begin with to increase interoperability in the first place.

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    3. Re:Missed the point by snowgirl · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm correcting myself here... apparently they weren't considering going with a 255-byte limit, but a 65535-byte limit, which would have increased the size overhead by one.

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    4. Re:Missed the point by dbc · · Score: 5, Informative

      Oh, Lordy, if you had ever programmed in a language with a 255 character limit for strings you would praise $DIETY every time you use a C string. Dealing with length limited strings is the largest PITA of any senseless and time-wasting programming task.

      Suppose C had originally had a length for strings? The only thing that makes sense is for the string length count to be the same size as a pointer, so that it could effectively be all of memory. A long is, by C language definition, large enough to hold a pointer that has been cast into it. So string length computations all become longs. Not such a big deal for most of life... until.... 64 bit addressing. Then all sorts of string breakage occurs.

      The bottom line is that in an application programming language strings need to be atomic, as they are in Python. You just should not care how strings are implemented, and you should never worry about a length limit. The trouble is, C is a systems programming language, so it is imperative that the language allow direct access to bit-level implementation. If you chose to use a systems programming language for application programming, well, then it sucks to be you. So why did we do that for so long? Because all the other alternatives were worse.

      Hell, I've used languages where the statement separator was a 12-11-0-7-8-9 punch. (Bonus points if you can tell me what that is and how to make one.) So a NUL terminated string looks positively modern compared to that.

    5. Re:Missed the point by arth1 · · Score: 3, Informative

      That's still an arbitrary limit.

      The advantages that I see for counted length are:
      - it makes copying easier - you know beforehand how much space to allocate, and how much to copy.
      - it makes certain cases of strcmp() faster - if the length doesn't match, you can assume the strings are different.
      - It makes reverse searches faster.
      - You can put binary in a string.
      But that must be weighed against the disadvantages, like not being able to take advantage of CPUs zero test conditions, but instead having to maintain a counter which eats up a valuable register. Or having to convert text blocks to print them. Or not being well suited for piped text or multiple threads; you can't just spew the text into an already nulled area, and it will be valid as it comes in; you have to update a text length counter for every byte you make available. And... and...

      Getting a free strlen() is NOT an advantage, by the way. In fact, that became a liability when UTF-8 arrived. With a library strlen() function, all you had to do was update the library, but when the compiler was hardcoded to just return the byte count, that wasn't an option. Sure, one could go to UTF-16 instead, but then there's a lot of wasted space.

      All in all, having worked with both systems, I find more advantages with null-termination.

      There's also a third system for text - linked lists. It doesn't have the disadvantage of an artificial string length limit, and allows for easy cuts and pastes, and even COW speedups, but requires far more advanced (and thus slower) routines and housekeeping, and has many of the same disadvantages as byte-counted text.. Some text processors have used this as a native string format, due to the specific advantages.

      I'd still take NULL-terminated for most purposes.

    6. Re:Missed the point by stderr_dk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Poor guy. I guess sooner or later he's going to have to learn how to manage his memory and understand how the underlying physical hardware works. That must be a real toughie for anyone who learned to "program" in the Java/C# world.

      Yeah, clearly PHK doesn't knows anything about memory allocation. (Except for the malloc library he wrote for FreeBSD...)

      Maybe he should RTFM.

      I don't have a FreeBSD system at hand, but I wouldn't be surprised if the malloc page was written by PHK.

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    7. Re:Missed the point by snowgirl · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If we were to switch now, is that the compatibility you're referring to? Well sure.

      But nobody's talking about switching now, the point of the topic is that C should have been designed differently. In those days there was very little backwards compatibility to worry about.

      And if it had been decided to be 1-byte length + data, and everyone used it like that, and assumed that the full 8-bits are available for the length, then when we switch to variable-byte length encoding, it would create an incompatibility. The incompatibility I speak of is the hypothetical one switching from 1-byte fixed-length length encoding to variable-byte length encoding.

      "They could have just used variable length encoding from the beginning." Sure, and they could have programmed everything in Java from the start... the idea of a variable length encoding would have been over-engineering the problem that they were facing.

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    8. Re:Missed the point by jeremyp · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's still an arbitrary limit.

      An arbitrary limit equal to the virtual machine size of the computer that was originally targeted.

      The advantages that I see for counted length are:
      - it makes copying easier - you know beforehand how much space to allocate, and how much to copy.
      - it makes certain cases of strcmp() faster - if the length doesn't match, you can assume the strings are different.
      - It makes reverse searches faster.
      - You can put binary in a string.

      - It all but eliminates the possibility of buffer overruns for strings.

      But that must be weighed against the disadvantages, like not being able to take advantage of CPUs zero test conditions, but instead having to maintain a counter which eats up a valuable register.

      But lots of CPUs have an instruction a bit like "decrement register and jump if not zero" which can be used for length+data strings.

      Or not being well suited for piped text or multiple threads; you can't just spew the text into an already nulled area, and it will be valid as it comes in;

      With modern character encodings, you can't guarantee that whatever string format you use. Couple that with the fact that streamed data tends to be read and written in blocks with a length parameter anyway, and the whole advantage is gone. This is why almost all modern languages have some variation on length + data for their strings and utilities for manipulating raw byte buffers.

      Getting a free strlen() is NOT an advantage, by the way. In fact, that became a liability when UTF-8 arrived. With a library strlen() function, all you had to do was update the library, but when the compiler was hardcoded to just return the byte count, that wasn't an option.

      Except that strlen() has always and still does count the number of C chars before the null byte. This is enshrined in the C99 standard. UTF-8 has not changed the implementation of strlen(). Also, gcc and probably many other compilers will normally optimise things like strlen() to a few lines of assembler rather than a call to libc, so you'd have to recompile anyway if it does change.

      Sure, one could go to UTF-16 instead, but then there's a lot of wasted space.

      All in all, having worked with both systems, I find more advantages with null-termination.

      There's also a third system for text - linked lists. It doesn't have the disadvantage of an artificial string length limit, and allows for easy cuts and pastes, and even COW speedups, but requires far more advanced (and thus slower) routines and housekeeping, and has many of the same disadvantages as byte-counted text.. Some text processors have used this as a native string format, due to the specific advantages.

      I'd still take NULL-terminated for most purposes.

      Most modern languages have a proper string type and I would always take that over null terminated char sequences. You can bet that Java's internal implementation of String uses length+data.

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  3. Maybe a better candidate by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Interesting
    C. A. R. Hoare, the inventor of Quicksort, also invented the NULL pointer. Something he apologized for:

    I call it my billion-dollar mistake. It was the invention of the null reference in 1965. At that time, I was designing the first comprehensive type system for references in an object oriented language (ALGOL W). My goal was to ensure that all use of references should be absolutely safe, with checking performed automatically by the compiler. But I couldn't resist the temptation to put in a null reference, simply because it was so easy to implement. This has led to innumerable errors, vulnerabilities, and system crashes, which have probably caused a billion dollars of pain and damage in the last forty years.

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  4. Whatever by Old+Wolf · · Score: 4, Funny

    Come on , this is complete rubbish___8^)_#;3,2,.3root>^$)(^(943hellomax0984)_))1..l2l2_}[[}{

  5. Slashdot Sensation Prevention Section by gmhowell · · Score: 4, Informative

    FTA:

    We learn from our mistakes, so let me say for the record, before somebody comes up with a catchy but totally misleading Internet headline for this article, that there is absolutely no way Ken, Dennis, and Brian could have foreseen the full consequences of their choice some 30 years ago, and they disclaimed all warranties back then. For all I know, it took at least 15 years before anybody realized why this subtle decision was a bad idea, and few, if any, of my own IT decisions have stood up that long.

    In other words, Ken, Dennis, and Brian did the right thing.

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  6. Got it wrong by Spazmania · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It probably wasn't about the bytes. The factors are:

    1. Complexity. Without exception, every variable in C is an integer, a pointer or a struct. A null terminated string is a pointer to a series of integers -- barely one step more complex than a single integer. To keep the string length, you'd have to employ a struct. That or you'd have to create a magic type for strings that's on the same level as integers, pointers and structs. And you don't want to use a magic type because then you can't edit it as an array. Simplicity was important in C -- keep it close to the metal.

    2. Computational efficiency. Many if not most operations on strings don't need to know how long they are. So why suffer the overhead of keeping track? That makes string operations on null terminated strings on average faster than string operations on a string bounded by an integer.

    3. Bytes. It's only one extra byte with a magic type or an advanced topic struct. In both cases with an assumption that the maximum possible length on which the standard string functions will work is 64kb. If you're talking about a more mundane struct then you're talking about an int and a pointer to a block of memory which has an extra set of malloc overhead. That's a lot of extra bytes, not just one.

    For the kind of language C aimed to be -- a replacement for assembly language -- the choice of null terminated strings was both obvious and correct.

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  7. PHK wide of the mark by epine · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Normally I tend to agree with what I've read from PHK, but this one seems wide of the mark. If you involve a *real* C guru in the discussion, I don't think there would be much sentiment toward nixing the sentinel.

    C makes a big deal about the equivalence of pointers and arrays. Plus in C a string also represents every suffix string.

    char string [] = { 't', 'e', 's', 't', '\0' };
    char* cdr_string = string + 1;

    Perfectly valid, as God intended. A string with a length prefix is a hybrid data structure. What is the size of the length structure up front? It can be interesting in C to sort all suffixes of a string, having only one copy of the string itself. Try that with length prefix strings. (The trivial algorithm is far from ideal for large or degenerate character sequences, but it does provide insight into position trees and the Burrows-Wheeler transform.)

    Nor would I blame all the stupid coding errors on the '\0' terminator convention. In C, a determined idiot can mess up just about anything, unless the compiler takes over and does things for you, a la Pascal by another name. If that had been the bias, would be all be using C now, or some other language? Repeat after me: Generativity Rocks. Nanny languages usually manage to bork generativity over. Correct Programming Made Easy never strays far from the subtitle Composition Made Difficult.

    No one who ever read Dijkstra and took him serious ever made a tiny fraction of the stupid mistakes blamed on hapless zero.

    If you want to point to a real steaming pile, strcpy() was designed by a moron with a bad hang-over and no copy of Dijkstra within a 100 mile radius. It was tantamount to declaring "you don't really need to test your preconditions ... what kind of sissy would do that?"

    C is a nice design, as evidenced by how seamlessly the STL was grafted onto C++ at the abstraction layer (at the syntax layer, not so much). The problem with C was always a communication problem. To use C well one must test preconditions on operation validity. To use algebra well one must test preconditions on operation validity.

    Where does PHK lay the blame for the algebraist who made it possible to divide both side of an equation by zero, or multiply an inequality by -1? Preferably with the complete moron who doesn't check preconditions on the validity of the operation. Two thousand years later, now we have a better solution?

    PHK is right about cache hierarchies. By the time cache hierarchies arrived, we had C++ with entirely different string representations.

    For some reason I've never been keen on having a programmer who can't manage to correctly test the precondition for buffer overflow making deep design decisions about little blocks of lead in the radiation path.

    And it's not even much of a burden. As Dijkstra observed, for many algorithms, once you have all your preconditions right and you've got a provable variant, there's often very little left to decide. It actually makes the design of many algorithms simpler in the mode of divide and conquer: first get your preconditions and variant right (you're now half done and you've barely begun to think hard), *then* worry about additional logic constraints (or performance felicitous sequencing of legal alternatives).

    The coders who first try to get their logical requirements correct and then puzzle out the preconditions do indeed make the original task more difficult than not bothering with preconditions at all, supposing there's some kind of accurate measure over crap solutions, which I refuse to concede.

    1. Re:PHK wide of the mark by EvanED · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you want to point to a real steaming pile, strcpy() was designed by a moron with a bad hang-over and no copy of Dijkstra within a 100 mile radius. It was tantamount to declaring "you don't really need to test your preconditions ... what kind of sissy would do that?"

      To play Devil's advocate, strcpy cannot check it's precondition. You can't tell whether a pointer you're given is valid, or how much space is left in the buffer.

      (Well, I guess you could go make malloc record far more information than it otherwise has to, and make strcpy grovel through that and some other data, but even I don't think that'd have been worth it. And I'm pretty far on the side of "why the heck are we using languages that are as unsafe as C".)

  8. The trouble is arrays, not strings. by Animats · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The problem with C isn't strings. It's arrays. Strings are just a special case of arrays.

    Understand that when C came out, it barely had types. "structs" were not typed; field names were just offsets. All fields in all structs, program-wide, had to have unique names. There was no "typedef". There was no parameter type checking on function calls. There were no function pointers. All parameters were passed as "int" or "float", including pointers and chars. Strong typing and function prototypes came years later, with ANSI C.

    This was rather lame, even for the late 1970s. Pascal was much more advanced at the time. Pascal powered much of the personal computer revolution, including the Macintosh. But you couldn't write an OS in Pascal at the time; it made too many assumptions about object formats. In particular, arrays had descriptors which contained length information, and this was incompatible with assembly-language code with other conventions. By design, C has no data layout conventions built into the language.

    Why was C so lame? Because it had to run on PDP-11 machines, which were weaker than PCs. On a PC, at least you had 640Kb. On a PDP-11, you had 64Kb of data space and (on the later PDP-11 models) 64Kb of code space, for each program. The C compiler had to be crammed into that. That's why the original C is so dumb.

    The price of this was a language with a built in lie - arrays are described as pointers. The language has no idea how big an array is, and there's not even a way to usefully talk about array size in C. This is the fundamental cause of buffer overflows. Millions of programs crash every day because of that problem.

    That's how we got into this mess.

    As I point out occasionally, the right answer would have been array syntax like

    int read(int fd, char[n]& buf, size_t n);

    That says buf is an array of length n, passed by reference. There's no array descriptor and no extra overhead, but the language now says what's actually going on. The classic syntax,

    int read(int fd, char* buf, size_t n);

    is a lie - you're not passing a pointer by value, you're passing an array by reference.

    C++ tries to wallpaper over the problem by hiding it under a layer of templates, but the mold always seeps through the wallpaper when a C pointer is needed to call some API.

  9. Well I differ in my view. by hamster_nz · · Score: 3, Informative

    After 25 years of using C, I don't mind the strings being terminated by nulls. If you want to do something else, just don't include string.h.

    Terminating with a null is only a convention - the C language itself has no concept of strings. As others point out, it is either an array of bytes or a pointer to bytes.

    it isn't forced on to you - you don't have to follow it.

  10. Faster loops by Sloppy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    TFA suggests the decision was to save a byte, but I don't believe that's the main reason it happened.

    If you're traversing a string anyway, what happens is that when you load the data into your register (which you'll be doing anyway, for whatever reason you're traversing the string), you get a status flag set "for free" if it's zero, so that's your loop test right there. Branch if zero. If you have to compare an offset to a length on every iteration, then now you're having to store this offset in another register (great, like I have lots of registers to spare on 1970s CPUs?) and compare (i.e. subtract) to the length which is stored in memory (great, a memory access) or another register (oh great, I need to use another register in the 1970s?!) and the code is bigger and slower.

    It's easy to laugh these days about anyone caring about how many clock cycles a loop takes and whether it uses 2 registers or 4 registers, but this stuff used to be pretty important (and more recently than the 1970s). Kids these days: if you weren't there, you just don't know what it was like.

    BTW, I have a hunch K & R didn't know they were building such an eternal legacy. It's reasonable to speculate that this is still going to be part of systems a hundred years from now, but in 1970 you would have been a mad man to suggest such a thing. (Not that this invalidates TFA's point at all; I'm just making excuses for K&R I guess.)

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  11. Re:The Road Not Taken by other Slashdot FPers by o'reor · · Score: 5, Funny

    I for one welcome that refreshing new way of writing "Frost's pissed."

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