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Saving Gas Via Underpowered Death Traps

Harperdog writes with this excerpt from a story at Miller-McCune: "Yes, it's true that the fuel-economy standards the U.S. has been using cost lives. Economist Mark Jacobson has estimated that for every mile-per-gallon we raise the standards, 149 traffic fatalities occur per year. That would mean 1,490 deaths if the standards were raised from, say, 30 miles-per-gallon to 40. But this doesn't have to be the case. It's possible, Jacobson has concluded, to increase fuel efficiency without also decreasing safety. And if government officials are smart, they'll tailor the regulations behind the new standards to do this."

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  1. Your kidding, right? by Bodhammer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "And if government officials are smart, "
    That is the biggest if in the world!

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  2. How come this by bugs2squash · · Score: 5, Interesting

    is not already costing drivers of big cars more in terms of liability premiums.

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    1. Re:How come this by fortfive · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In at least 12 states, it's because of "no-fault" auto insurance laws, which limit recovery against the accident causer.

  3. 1490 is low by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Not to be brutal, but that number's pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of all of this. It's a tiny fraction of total traffic fatalities, which means we can more than make up the difference looking for other forms of safety improvement.

  4. Underpowered, maybe not, but deathtrap nonetheless by Jabrwock · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As TFA states, the "deathtrap" is due to the smaller cars being smashed to a pulp when they run into a gas-guzzling behemoth. People are buying big cars not because they need them or that they like guzzling fuel. And maybe not even necessarily because the bigger cars have more "oomph". But also because "driving a tank = I'm safer, especially from other tanks on the road".

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  5. Or... by eepok · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Economist Mark Jacobson has estimated that for every mile-per-gallon we raise the standards, 149 traffic fatalities occur per year.

    OR

    Everyone with a brain has estimated that massive, unnecessarily heavy and powerful gas-guzzling trucks and SUVs driven by distracted buffoons kill people on the road.

    Also, the report and the curiously straight-line graph comes from:

    The National Center for Policy Analysis (NCPA) is a nonprofit, nonpartisan public policy research organization, established in 1983. Our goal is to develop and promote private, free-market alternatives to government regulation and control, solving problems by relying on the strength of the competitive, entrepreneurial
    private sector.

  6. This can be fixed. by Ichijo · · Score: 5, Informative

    Because road wear is proportional to the fourth power of the weight of the vehicle, make the 4,000 lbs SUV owner pay 16 times as much in taxes as the 2,000 lbs small car owner. Pretty soon we'll see fewer SUVs on the roads, and all because of a fair, well-justified tax as opposed to new, arbitrary regulations.

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    1. Re:This can be fixed. by Ichijo · · Score: 5, Informative

      Uhm, that tax already exists: It's called lower miles per gallon with raising gas prices.

      But a 2-ton SUV doesn't use 16 times as much fuel as a 1-ton small car! Therefore, the small car owner is heavily subsidizing road repairs for the SUV owner.

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  7. Re:Your kidding, right? by geekoid · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Not really.

    Here is a Bel Air - also know for being a 'boat'

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtxd27jlZ_g&feature=player_embedded

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  8. Re:Underpowered, maybe not, but deathtrap nonethel by mindwhip · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Tanks kill people. Fact.

    You could just as easy turn the whole thing around and argue that the Overweight Gas Guzzlers are doing the damage therefore they are causing the problem.

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  9. Re:Your kidding, right? by beelsebob · · Score: 5, Informative

    The biggest joke here is the assumptions that 1) small, light cars can't be safe and 2) that deaths in small light cars won't reduce as we pull big, heavy cars off the roads.

    1) Is easily disproved by looking at an extreme case or two – have a crash in a 600kg Formula 1 car, and you'll very very very likely survive – hell, have a crash at 200mph in one and you'll very very very likely walk out of it.
    2) Is easily disproved by looking at countries where small and light cars are already the norm. In the UK for example, the death rate from car accidents was 5.4 per 100,000 population, while in the US it was 14.3 per 100,000 population

  10. The article is biased by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, the summary is biased. As the article points out, it is in fact the large cars that are dangerous-- they are, however, dangerous to the smaller cars.
    Making cars smaller doesn't result in more deaths-- unless you have large cars on the road as well. It is the larger cars that are killing people. (and the bogus statistic comes from the "National Center for Policy Analysis"-- read: political action group paid to shill for oil companies.)

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  11. Re:Your kidding, right? by floop · · Score: 5, Informative

    The asshat who wrote the first study sited in TFA is a shill for ExxonMobil. The article hinges it's entire premis on the results of the second scholarly work which is a month old draft of an unpublished, unpeer-reviewed, unproven idea for an econometric model to analyze policy effects on on safety (translate: probably not even close to accurate). In fact, the article states as it's first line "Research confirms that increasing fuel economy standards does cost lives on the road.", as if this is proven fucking fact now. Stuff like this on slashdot makes me want to punch people in the face. Few bother to question or even read linked articles but love to go all modern jackass on meta shit that doesn't even have anything to do with the subject.