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Mozilla Firefox 6 Released Ahead of Schedule

BogenDorpher writes "Mozilla is currently on schedule to release Firefox 6 on August 16th but it looks like the final version has already been signed off and is unofficially available on Mozilla's servers."

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  1. Exe may be there, so? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
    The index.html in each directory still says

    Thanks for your interest in Firefox 6 We aren't quite finished qualifying Firefox 6 yet. You should check out the latest Beta. When we're all done with Firefox 6 it will show up on Firefox.com.

  2. Why not just wait for version 7? by EmagGeek · · Score: 5, Funny

    After all, it'll be out Friday..

    1. Re:Why not just wait for version 7? by Kanasta · · Score: 4, Informative

      So now I only have 2 plugins left not supported by FF4, should I upgrade to FF6? My bank also keeps saying FF4 is unsupported (only supports IE6+ and NS and FF3). Hmm, at this rate FF is going to lose users.

  3. Plugins by Allicorn · · Score: 5, Informative

    Unfortunately six of the plugins I rely on (yes, those plugins that are supposedly the #1 reason to use Firefox over less customizable browsers) don't yet even support Firefox 5. Everytime that "update Firefox" box comes up, I check, find six plugins outstanding, and back out of it.

    Update too fast and you will leave users behind.

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    1. Re:Plugins by EMR · · Score: 5, Informative

      This is why they are encouraging extension developers to switch to the Mozilla addons SDK which provides API stability between firefox releases (and is built in in firefox 4.0+ ). the addon SDK also allows for installing plugins without restarting the browser!! YEAH!!!

      now, have you tried installing the addon compatibility reporter?

        https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/add-on-compatibility-reporter/

      with that enabled you can forcibly enable addons that claim to not be compatible and test to see if they work. Also it gives you a away to send feedback to the developer that "hey it works" or "no it doesn't". And of course if you haven't contacted the developers of those addons, then that could be why they haven't been updated.

    2. Re:Plugins by iggymanz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      well isn't that special, the user is supposed to spend lots of time each quarter and hope they come up with the right tests to check everything? apparently, some of the add-on developers don't like that schedule either.

          that's the exciting new trend spreading across the major open source projects, disruptive but half-baked changes. Ubuntu with Unity, GNOME, KDE, Firefox. What other major project will have its developers flip the users the bird and fly off into the Land of Un-Usability? stay tuned, there really are a couple more in the pipe.....

    3. Re:Plugins by DesScorp · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Unfortunately six of the plugins I rely on (yes, those plugins that are supposedly the #1 reason to use Firefox over less customizable browsers) don't yet even support Firefox 5. Everytime that "update Firefox" box comes up, I check, find six plugins outstanding, and back out of it.

      Update too fast and you will leave users behind.

      I used to encourage Firefox use in my shop... I gave my users the choice of IE and Firefox, and back when IE had that huge list of old unpatched holes, I told my users that I preferred FireFox if they were so inclined.

      I've taken FF off of the approved list. The upgrades are coming too fast, and breaking too many things (mostly plugins, as the parent poster noted).

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    4. Re:Plugins by asa · · Score: 4, Informative

      Mozilla's good enough to manually scan all add-ons hosted at addons.mozilla.org and bump compatibility on any that don't use APIs which have changed. We have over 90% compatibility with AMO hosted add-ons that way. Unfortunately, not all add-ons are hosted at AMO and even though AMO makes the scanning tools available to anyone, many not-hosted-at-AMO add-ons don't avail themselves of this option.

  4. Stupid versioning scheme, really by Ragondux · · Score: 4, Funny

    They should really call it Firefox 1108, and release one per month. If that's too slow, they can just add the day too, Firefox 110816 sounds really advanced.

  5. Re:Meanwhile... by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 5, Informative

    I would suggest mentally normalizing the version numbers into release dates. Keep a list in your head, or on a wall, and then you can judge outdatedness more cromulently:

    • Firefox 1.0: November 9, 2004
    • Firefox 1.5: November 29, 2005
    • Firefox 2: October 24, 2006
    • Firefox 3: June 17, 2008
    • Firefox 3.5: June 30, 2009
    • Firefox 3.6: January 21, 2010
    • Firefox 4: March 22, 2011
    • Firefox 5: June 21, 2011
    • Firefox 6: August 16, 2011

    Now, you can truthfully ask yourself "How outdated is this user?" rather than the bogus proxy question "How many versions behind is this user?"

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  6. Re:Major versions? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because incrementing by full version numbers gives them an excuse to break things at every release.

  7. Does Mozilla not read Slashdot? by linebackn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can understand companies not being in touch with their customers, but does Mozilla not even read tech sites like Slashdot? Every story about Firefox lately is filled with exactly how negatively people feel about this version number fiasco.

    Chrome was able to get away with bumping version numbers because it was a very new product and nobody was depending on it yet. Even though they removed the "beta" tag surprisingly early on (for a Google product), I think many people STILL consider Chome as "beta".

    On the other hand large corporate type applications were just beginning to support Firefox and depended on long term support of major versions. Well, that has just been stomped in the face. Sadly, from a corporate stand point the only browser that really seems stable, viable, and "corporate friendly" now is IE.

    1. Re:Does Mozilla not read Slashdot? by Rich0 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The other issue is that Chrome doesn't tie compatibility to version numbers. When I update Chrome I don't get a box telling me it is disabling half my extensions/apps. For the most part, everything just works. So, the number is just a number.

      Mozilla's problem is that they assume extensions don't work after major version changes, which basically imposes arbitrary breakage. So, the number isn't just a number in their case.

  8. Comments on the browser itself? by vlm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So... 40 posts about how much better the support experience would be if they incremented it by 0.1 instead of 1.0, as if the bugs somehow know which digit was incremented. But, no comments about the actual browser? For example, have they finally reverted "tabs on top"?

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    1. Re:Comments on the browser itself? by Briareos · · Score: 5, Informative

      For example, have they finally reverted "tabs on top"?

      So right-clicking somewhere in the toolbars to bring up the toolbar context menu and unchecking "Tabs on top" (which I actually like a lot, thankyouverymuch) is too much to ask?

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  9. Rapid Release - a Tradeoff by kripkenstein · · Score: 4, Informative

    I can understand companies not being in touch with their customers, but does Mozilla not even read tech sites like Slashdot? Every story about Firefox lately is filled with exactly how negatively people feel about this version number fiasco.

    Chrome was able to get away with bumping version numbers because it was a very new product and nobody was depending on it yet. Even though they removed the "beta" tag surprisingly early on (for a Google product), I think many people STILL consider Chome as "beta".

    On the other hand large corporate type applications were just beginning to support Firefox and depended on long term support of major versions. Well, that has just been stomped in the face. Sadly, from a corporate stand point the only browser that really seems stable, viable, and "corporate friendly" now is IE.

    Hi, I'm a Firefox dev. Yes, we read Slashdot :)

    There is a big tradeoff here, with downsides both ways. You correctly point out that some people are having problems with the new fast release schedule. That's a fact, and we are doing all we can, but the problems are hard (addons, enterprise users, etc.).

    On the other hand, the alternative is to continue with a slow release schedule, which we feel has bigger problems and would annoy more users. For example, FF8 will have much better memory usage than Firefox 4. Releasing new versions quickly lets users get that benefit quicker - fewer users will have memory problems because we ship the fixes faster. As another example, when IE9 and FF4 came out, at roughly the same time, they had comparable performance on some canvas benchmarks (in which they outperformed all other browsers due to their being the only browsers to use Direct2D). Meanwhile Firefox has released twice (counting FF6 on next Tuesday), and as a consequence, Firefox users have better performance than IE users, simply because IE users are still on IE9 while Firefox users can run FF5 and FF6 which include a lot more performance improvements that were committed after FF4.

    Another major issue is new web standards. For standards to evolve quickly, browsers need to ship new versions with new implementations of those standards. Firefox and Chrome are now leading that, by releasing every 6 weeks. As one example, both support the new (safe) version of web sockets. That pushes the web forward, letting developers use it quicker, and eventually let all of us benefit from those new features. Chrome began this push, and I think Google was right to do it, and Firefox is joining that.

    Is the new release schedule perfect? Of course not. It has problems for both browsers doing it, Chrome and Firefox. Both are probably not seen very favorably among enterprise users. And Firefox has some additional challenges, what with transitioning a previous release schedule to this one. But still, both Chrome and Firefox feel it is worthwhile. So again, I realize that there are problems. But overall I think the fast release schedule of Chrome and Firefox is a good thing.

    1. Re:Rapid Release - a Tradeoff by kripkenstein · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The problem is that Chrome and Firefox 6-week updates can and do change functionality and break internal APIs. Regardless of whether those browsers raise the major version number, addons can break.

      Chrome deals with this by having a limited addon API that does remain stable. This limits what addons you can write for Chrome, but it does make 80% of addons possible and with less upgrade hassle.

      Firefox is moving to allow that approach with the jetpack SDK. However addons that don't use that SDK are relying on internal Firefox APIs, and the power and flexibility that that gives does mean they are at risk for breaking. Note that Mozilla's addons website will automatically check the code of addons hosted on it for actual API incompatibilities, and auto-mark as compatible addons that are not at risk. So a lot of addons 'just work' because of that. But still, some addons do rely on changing APIs, and some addons are not hosted on addons.mozilla.org, so the authors need to manually update them.