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Samsung Hires Steve 'Cyanogen' Kondik

Some nameless reader noted a surprising twist in the tale of Cyanogen, an android modder once cease and desisted by Google. "Samsung Mobile has hired one of the homebrew market's most notorious and successful Android hackers, Steve 'Cyanogen' Kondik, best known as the creator of the CyanogenMod for Android."

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  1. Just like MS by bhcompy · · Score: 2

    They're doing exactly what MS did with the Chevron team. Hire the talent to keep them from doing things you don't support while making it look like they're going to do something special for the community

    1. Re:Just like MS by dokc · · Score: 2

      They're doing exactly what MS did with the Chevron team. Hire the talent to keep them from doing things you don't support while making it look like they're going to do something special for the community

      You forgot to mention creating a lot of money for the company and a stockpile of new patents.

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    2. Re:Just like MS by TadMSTR · · Score: 5, Informative

      I don't think Steve Kondik is the type that would stop supporting what he started. Plus there are a bunch of other devs that also work on it. Samsung gave 5 of the CyanogenMod devs free Galaxy S2 phones and only asked that they make CyanogenMod work on it. Hiring Steve may allow for Samsung to ship their phones already running CyanogenMod. That gives them 1up on other vendors, hardware that officially supports CyanogenMod.

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    3. Re:Just like MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, Samsung sent devices to the CyanogenMod team to port CyanogenMod to it a few weeks ago.... :)

    4. Re:Just like MS by Calos · · Score: 0

      Sending phone to the devs to support CM - that's awesome. Hadn't heard that previously... I'll have to take a good look at Samsung phones in the future.

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    5. Re:Just like MS by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

      Except that I don't think MS donated hardware to the Chevron team... Samsung has donated multiple GSIIs to Cyanogenmod devs.

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    6. Re:Just like MS by esocid · · Score: 1

      Samsung has been anything but hostile towards the CM team. I think this will make Samsung phones more codeable, but unfortunately take Chris away from the CM team, or at least decrease the time he has for them. They still have tons of talent with them. I gotta agree, using the "our phones are even more customizable" is a good angle, if only they'd let you get rid of the crap they bundle, and forcing you to use Bing. That's why I'm swaying away from the S2 phones, and looking at the Bionic.

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    7. Re:Just like MS by X0563511 · · Score: 0

      Indeed, someone made a very smart move... they are on my list now as well! Perfect timing as my Palm Pre is well past it's expected lifetime (under my care at least lol) and it's time to get something else while this is still functional.

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    8. Re:Just like MS by oakgrove · · Score: 1

      Cyanogenmod is a great ROM but, I assure you, it isn't the only one. Samsung would go broke before they could hire all of the Android modders out there. Not to mention the fact that the cellphone version of Android is available in its entirety in source form from AOSP so they'd have to buy Google while they were at it. Ha. Last but not least, they gave a Galaxy S 2 to the Cyanogenmod team a couple of months back explicitely condoning the porting of cyanogenmod to it. It looks to me like they are searching for a competitive advantage and with Steve Kondik, they've got it.

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    9. Re:Just like MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bought a Droid Charge. The hardware is amazing. The stock software sucks, horribly.

      If you feel comfortable ROMing it, it's a great pick. Here's hoping this hire means the future stock software won't be nearly as bad...

    10. Re:Just like MS by psm321 · · Score: 2

      The parent was saying the same thing...

    11. Re:Just like MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or they can do what Valve is doing.

      Hire talented modders and give them the resources they need to take it to the next level.

      The devil isn't running every company.

    12. Re:Just like MS by sleepy_weasel · · Score: 1

      This is great news, if Samsung doesn't screw it up. I'm up for a new phone in a few months, and my OG Droid is looking long in the tooth, even with CM7 on it.

      If I can get a Samsung phone, with cyanogenmod on it, or even better, the option to put AOSP on it, that would be great.

      I made my wife get the Droid Charge, and it's loaded with a bunch of sh8t that I would love to get off the phone, but I don't want to root my wife's phone, and then have her complain every time something FCs

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    13. Re:Just like MS by dokc · · Score: 1

      The devil isn't running every company.

      Every company is there to earn money && money is root of all evil => Devil is running every company

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    14. Re:Just like MS by NJRoadfan · · Score: 1

      Who is forcing you to use Bing? I know Verizon had a contract with MS to put it on all their phones, but that appears to have expired, My Droid Charge doesn't have a trace of Bing on it.

    15. Re:Just like MS by gmack · · Score: 0

      The good news is that a cyanogenmod install obliterates any forced Bing settings as well as any bundled apps, although you don't have to go that far a simple rooting (easier with Samsung phones than most others) and a Titanium Backup install will kill any preloaded apps.

    16. Re:Just like MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wow you mean samsung "only" hired the talents of each of those developers for only the wholesale cost of one of their phones? Deal!

    17. Re:Just like MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was just handed a LG Revolution on Verizon (for part of a beta program of some software that runs on Android). This phone had Bing all over it and didn't even have Google Search installed. I deleted all the Bing widgets and voice search and loaded the Google stuff onto the phone - but this was a new phone in the original box (it went to the vendor first to load their beta product on it). I don't know which phones Verizon does this to, but the LG Revolution (which I don't recommend) is certainly one of them.

    18. Re:Just like MS by Drathos · · Score: 1

      Verizon's left the Droid-branded phones alone, but have replaced many of Google's standard apps with Bing versions on others like the LG Revolution, Samsung Fascinate and Continuum, and Sony Xperia Play. They've also been pushing their VCAST apps more and more.

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    19. Re:Just like MS by kermidge · · Score: 1

      ....money is root of all evil....

      Um, no. It's "....the _love of_ money is the root of all evil." Using the proper concept changes the meaning and the equation, yes?

    20. Re:Just like MS by wiedzmin · · Score: 1

      I don't think Steve Kondik is the type that would stop supporting what he started.

      Well that depends on whether he likes his job or not... and if he didn't - he wouldn't have taken up the offer. So from this point on, he is the type that does what his employer tells him to do.

      Hiring Steve Kondik gives Samsung ability to copyright CyanogenMod and sell it for money.

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    21. Re:Just like MS by mcvos · · Score: 1

      Samsung gave 5 of the CyanogenMod devs free Galaxy S2 phones and only asked that they make CyanogenMod work on it.

      Awesome. Samsung gets it. Now if only they made a steel phone with a keyboard, and I'll happily give them my money.

    22. Re:Just like MS by oakgrove · · Score: 1

      Or maybe it's just the lack of it.

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    23. Re:Just like MS by mcvos · · Score: 1

      I bought a Droid Charge. The hardware is amazing. The stock software sucks, horribly.

      Sounds like Motorola alright. Hopefully the Google takeover will change that second part in the future.

      If you feel comfortable ROMing it, it's a great pick.

      It's not locked down like almost every other Motorola phone?

    24. Re:Just like MS by saleenS281 · · Score: 1

      It is. Hopefully that's the first thing google fixes. I still have no idea why they lock down the boot loader. They should at least give people the ability to disable it with a physical switch of some sort if they're worried about remote exploits.

    25. Re:Just like MS by mcvos · · Score: 1

      It's still a whole phone more than most other manufacturers pay for this excellent service of making their phones more useful and therefore more valuable.

    26. Re:Just like MS by Grave · · Score: 1

      With the Motorola Mobility acquisition yesterday, it was looking like my next phone would almost certainly be a Motorola, despite my preference for Samsung hardware. This could potentially keep me a Samsung customer. We'll see.

    27. Re:Just like MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think Steve Kondik is the type that would stop supporting what he started.

      Well that depends on whether he likes his job or not... and if he didn't - he wouldn't have taken up the offer. So from this point on, he is the type that does what his employer tells him to do.

      Hiring Steve Kondik gives Samsung ability to copyright CyanogenMod and sell it for money.

      Well that depends on the license...

    28. Re:Just like MS by tycoex · · Score: 1

      Actually, "money is the root of all evil" is a misquote. The true quote is "the LOVE of money is a root of all kinds of evil."

      Money is a neccessity, everyone needs to make money. The "evil" part comes in when you love money. Meaning you're greedy.

      Valve makes plenty of money, but they aren't really "greedy" imo.

    29. Re:Just like MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bought a Droid Charge. The hardware is amazing. The stock software sucks, horribly.

      Sounds like Motorola alright. Hopefully the Google takeover will change that second part in the future.

      Samsung. The Droid Charge is Samsung. And the software is even worse, in some ways. "Droid" is Verizon's licensed trademark, for their Android phones. Motorola is simply one of the makers.

      If you feel comfortable ROMing it, it's a great pick.

      It's not locked down like almost every other Motorola phone?

      Again, Samsung. And no, no locked bootloader.

    30. Re:Just like MS by bhcompy · · Score: 1

      To be honest, Bing for mobile is better than Google when I compare my LG Quantum(WP7) to my Samsung Infuse(Android). Not sure if Bing apps/functionality is any different on Android, though.

      /Google better for desktops, though their new "features" are grating

    31. Re:Just like MS by aztracker1 · · Score: 1

      I've been running a Samsung Galaxy Prevail for a few months now, upgraded from my G1, which was way long in the tooth. I don't really use the smart phone functionality much at all, mainly use it for calling/texting and now will sometimes check in on G+. I appreciate that most apps run, but needed a 3rd party mod to reduce the bloat that Samsung/Boost included on this phone. ShabbyMod did that, I do hope for a Cyanogenmod release though, as Shabby isn't much more than stock android, but works quite well.

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    32. Re:Just like MS by technomom · · Score: 1

      For what it's worth, I get a whole lot less FC's on my Cyanogen Droid Incredible than I did with the stock ROM. She might just not notice.

    33. Re:Just like MS by technomom · · Score: 1

      I hadn't heard that they had extracted the rights for CyanogenMod along with him. I wouldn't assume that was part of the deal.

    34. Re:Just like MS by brainboyz · · Score: 1

      In what world do you live in? Unless signed over, Kondik would still hold the copyright to CyanogenMod. Samsung might own rights to whatever he worked on after being hired IF that was stipulated in his contract, or at a minimum during work hours if not otherwise specified in his contract, but nothing would give them the copyright to the name or the whole project.

    35. Re:Just like MS by poetmatt · · Score: 1

      reading fail on my part.

    36. Re:Just like MS by mcvos · · Score: 1

      Bad assumption on my part. Because so many Droid phones are made by Motorola, the name automatically makes me assume it's from them. But it just means it's Verizon.

      Which leads to the next question: what's the carrier-free version of the Droid Charge called?

    37. Re:Just like MS by ottothecow · · Score: 1
      You know...it is entirely possible that this dude was in the market for a new job and decided to use is proven experience working with android interfaces to get one. He could have applied to HTC and Motorola too while saying "look at what I have...maybe I can help make motoblur not suck?"

      Its not like we see a press release from Samsung saying that they sought out this guy and hired him and acquired rights to CM (and you had better believe they would issue something)...My guess is that he got a pretty good job out of the deal and that samsung was just the best offer in terms of money/position/location/whatever since even manufacturers who are anti-modding would still recognize his talent.

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    38. Re:Just like MS by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      That's great... now, when are they going to do that for their other phones, such as the Intercept? Not all of us can afford a Galaxy S2 (or, more to the point, are using a carrier that such a fancy phone is available on).

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    39. Re:Just like MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's Verizon only at the moment, but the device name is the SCH-i510

    40. Re:Just like MS by not+already+in+use · · Score: 1

      Microsoft didn't hire anybody from the Chevron team, but way to put a cynical spin on misinformation that will be blindly accepted here at Slashdot.

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    41. Re:Just like MS by cayenne8 · · Score: 2
      Cyanogenmod also works great on the B&N nook color ereader!!

      With some best buy rewards and a gift card ...I got a NIB nook color for like $137 tax included.

      Not a bad price for a fully functioning tablet...cyanogenmod7 works great on it.

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    42. Re:Just like MS by trk6640 · · Score: 1

      I don't see them shipping with it. It's easier to sell TouchWiz to the general public, but Samsung has been out of the loop in the community because of the lack of support. This will allow them to ship simple TouchWiz phones to everyone, but the ones that care will know they can load CyanogenMod on it with no issues, so they will buy them with or without TouchWiz, since it's coming off when they get it home. This will help them compete on both fronts with the Motorola/Google alliance that may bring AOSP to DROID phones.

    43. Re:Just like MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, if you put CM on an S2, you have bing-free happiness ...

    44. Re:Just like MS by That+Guy+From+Mrktng · · Score: 1

      You forgot that Samsung is not an American company, if they hire someone they will milk the brains out of him.

    45. Re:Just like MS by That+Guy+From+Mrktng · · Score: 1

      Samsung's Brushed steel android phone w/ real keyboard and CM coolness seconded. That would be a massive hit.

    46. Re:Just like MS by mjwx · · Score: 1

      I don't think Steve Kondik is the type that would stop supporting what he started. Plus there are a bunch of other devs that also work on it. Samsung gave 5 of the CyanogenMod devs free Galaxy S2 phones and only asked that they make CyanogenMod work on it. Hiring Steve may allow for Samsung to ship their phones already running CyanogenMod. That gives them 1up on other vendors, hardware that officially supports CyanogenMod.

      I wouldn't say that Samsung would officially support CM but Samsung recognise that they make the hardware, all of their money comes from the HW and they've got practically no stake in the software beyond making sure it works on the HW.

      But on the other hand, they know the Android community is a force to be reckoned with and clearly want to remain onside so that they will continue to support and recommend Samsung products to non technical people.

      But Steve Kondik was hired simply because he's a proven good coder who clearly cares about his work. Why hire a new coder and train him up in Android when you can simply hire one ready made and already familiar with your product.

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    47. Re:Just like MS by mcvos · · Score: 1

      I checked their site, and they don't seem to be very big on keyboards. Not in combination with touch screens, at least.

      (I prefer rubberized steel, by the way.)

    48. Re:Just like MS by That+Guy+From+Mrktng · · Score: 1

      idk, I searched "samsung android qwerty" on Google images and found plenty. Check the Spad Android tablet w/ full qwerty.. now the Thinkpad tablet got competition on my book.

    49. Re:Just like MS by polymeris · · Score: 1

      ...crap they bundle, and forcing you to use Bing.

      My Samsung phone came bundled with some gameloft demo crap and forces me to use Yahoo!. I don't know if Samsung is to blame or the service provider, though.

      BTW, still haven't found out how to change the search engine.

  2. Ack! by Tsingi · · Score: 1

    I hope this doesn't mean he is no longer developing Cyanogen.
    I use it.

    1. Re:Ack! by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm going to cautiously take this as a Good Thing(tm). Samsung makes decent enough hardware, equipped with awe-UNinspiring software, so they could certainly use the help. While we might be looking at the end of his involvement in Cyanogen, we could be looking at the beginning of the first real Android fork/distro. Meanwhile, had he let Google hire him, we never would have heard of him again - he'd have disappeared into Google's Android development team.

    2. Re:Ack! by Tsingi · · Score: 1

      A fine optimistic outlook; that would in fact, be awesome.

    3. Re:Ack! by Miamicanes · · Score: 2

      Steve, if you happen to read this, just one request for future Samsung kernels: Bluetooth HID and SPP. Please. You can even skip the downstream implementation for now. Just get the damn kernel-level stuff in there, so anybody with a rooted Samsung phone and stock Kondik-era kernel can take it from there and make it work later. It's the kernel that kills us dead in our tracks every single time, because rolling a custom kernel from scratch inevitably seems to mean giving up Sprint 4G, working network-accelerated GPS, or some other combination of basic hardware capabilities whose loss profoundly compromises the phone's worth and usability.

      Now that Steve's with Samsung, I *might* actually consider buying an .*Epic.*Touch.*$ in 2 months if it ships with a dual-core processor and doesn't have some fatal, stupid last-minute cost-shaving hardware deficiency that ruins it just to reduce the manufacturing cost by 23 cents. The fact that Motorola might shift from Lawful Evil to Chaotic Neutral under Google definitely complicates matters a bit, since Tegra2 has Google's "Honeycomb Hometown" Advantage. Up to now, the Evo3D was a slam-dunk just because it was the most likely to end up with fully-functional Cyanogenmod. If every future Moto phone ends up being a de-facto Nexus-* and Samsung phones have Steve getting paid to make them the best-of-breed reference implementation for Cyanogen, HTC doesn't look quite as appealing.

    4. Re:Ack! by Vorpix · · Score: 1

      the concern I have is that CyanogenMod is so good because it lacks the crap that handset manufacturers force onto users. I doubt that a phone running a Samsung branded CyanogenMod will be able to escape having (for example) unremoveable Verizon junk forced into it.

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    5. Re:Ack! by MrHanky · · Score: 1

      Isn't Bluetooth HID something that can be implemented with a kernel module? If so, you should be able to get around rolling your own kernel.

    6. Re:Ack! by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      As I understand it, the problem is that Samsung's kernel uses BlueZ as a module, but it was compiled without support for HID and SPP. To add HID and SPP, you'd have to recompile and rebuild the entire module, including the parts that interface with the largely undocumented and Samsung-proprietary Bluetooth chipset itself. In other words, you can't just build a module for HID and SPP and clamp it onto the existing module to extend its functionality. It's all or nothing -- total replacement, or nothing at all.

    7. Re:Ack! by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 1

      ...The fact that Motorola might shift from Lawful Evil to Chaotic Neutral under Google

      You almost made me overthrow my coffee, thanks for the laughs :)

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    8. Re:Ack! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      had he let Google hire him, we never would have heard of him again - he'd have disappeared into Google's Android development team.

      You're assuming that all of Google wanted to. Sure the Android guys liked his stuff, but when the Legal Dept. is sending out notices . . . The brakes were put on strongly after he got the cease and desist letters.

    9. Re:Ack! by Nimloth · · Score: 1

      William Shatner, is that you?

    10. Re:Ack! by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Root it and remove it. If you like CM you are going to root anyway.

    11. Re:Ack! by Tsingi · · Score: 1

      Yeah, they kicked me off of google+ so I hang out here now.

    12. Re:Ack! by Tsingi · · Score: 1

      doesn't have some fatal, stupid last-minute cost-shaving hardware deficiency that ruins it just to reduce the manufacturing cost by 23 cents

      ROFL!! Ain't that the truth.

    13. Re:Ack! by blair1q · · Score: 1

      I doubt he has stopped.

      But now it will be known as "Samsung Mobile Android Plus."

      Which would be kind of a downgrade even if the features are improved...

    14. Re:Ack! by PipsqueakOnAP133 · · Score: 1

      Why does Bluetooth HID/SPP need a custom kernel?
      Isn't it possible to write a userspace daemon to handle serial communications to a Bluetooth radio?

    15. Re:Ack! by Tsingi · · Score: 0
      ROFL!

      I'd mod that funny if I could.

    16. Re:Ack! by pointybits · · Score: 1

      The Samsung Galaxy S has had Bluetooth HID support for keyboard and mouse since Android 2.2. I've been using it with Bluetooth SPP since version 2.1, but it has a quirk where it won't connect to a serial device with class of service = 0, not sure if they've fixed that yet.

      The Galaxy S doesn't use the Bluez stack, it uses some Broadcom closed-source code instead. It doesn't support L2CAP so you can't use Wiimotes.

    17. Re:Ack! by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 1

      I agree, NotEvil++!

      Way to go Google! Great aquisition, someone who's really passionate about getting the consumer what they want... how they want it!

      As well as being an excellent developer, a great team leader, and interested in this work, he has his ear to the ground. Hiring someone like this is how to obtain the next great idea.

      Give him the Google entry test... he was probably just to shy to apply and will pass making him a full Googler. Otherwise he'll feel like an outsider and won't get the respect he needs to make suggestions and manage a team.

  3. Does this mean by drolli · · Score: 1

    i get a decent software for updating the galaxy tab?

  4. Cease and Decist = Resume Bonus? by AvderTheTerrible · · Score: 0

    So does that mean that if a company tells you to stop hacking its products, you should put it on your resume? Seems like it should lend some kind of credibility.

    1. Re:Cease and Decist = Resume Bonus? by Cougar+Town · · Score: 3, Informative

      Google didn't tell him to stop "hacking its products". They asked him to stop distributing their proprietary Google applications (gmail, etc), because he wasn't authorized to do so.

    2. Re:Cease and Decist = Resume Bonus? by MrWeelson · · Score: 1

      The cease and desist was specifically in relation to the Google Apps part : http://androidandme.com/2009/09/hacks/cyanogenmod-in-trouble/

    3. Re:Cease and Decist = Resume Bonus? by mcvos · · Score: 1

      After that, I believe he just backed up the already installed version of those apps, and put them back on the phone after installing CyanogenMod, and Google seemed to be perfectly fine with that.

    4. Re:Cease and Decist = Resume Bonus? by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      Which is just one of the things that is absolutely wrong with the way IP laws work right now. If you have a license or permission to use something, it shouldn't be illegal for someone else to help you manage/move/alter that content in ways that it is legal for you to do yourself.

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    5. Re:Cease and Decist = Resume Bonus? by Tsingi · · Score: 2
      Actually, if I understand you correctly, Google is OK with the scenario you present. They don't want Cyanogen shipping Google apps, presumably because they lose control of them.

      Now, the app is backed up, Cyanogen installed and the app put back, as shipped by Google (as opposed to 'as shipped by the Cyanogen install')

      So now everyone is, more or less, happy.

  5. That's good news for consumers. I hope by NuclearCat · · Score: 1

    I guess my next mobile will be from Samsung.
    Sure if "corporation policy and rules" will not kill his best intentions and innovations.

    1. Re:That's good news for consumers. I hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It will be good for Samsung customers (assuming you like Cyanogen). I doubt it will be good for Android consumers using hardware from other manufacturers...

    2. Re:That's good news for consumers. I hope by Lifyre · · Score: 1

      Maybe not for LG and HTC (and the other fringe companies) but it could potentially create an arms race between Motorola(Google) and Samsung to release better ROMs now that Google owns Moto. That would, at least in theory, benefit all Android users as it would push the overall quality of the OS higher even at the most basic levels.

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    3. Re:That's good news for consumers. I hope by after.fallout.34t98e · · Score: 1

      Try looking at the bigger picture.

      If you can get a bunch of people to prefer using a particular piece of software on any hardware, and at the same time you make that software better on specific hardware (say a premium line of samsung phones), you are likely to get some people to buy said hardware.

      It would be in Samsung's best interest to get Cyanogen to work (in a basic sense; perhaps require rooting and not to be actually optimized for given hardware) on as many phones as possible.

    4. Re:That's good news for consumers. I hope by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      Exactly. For the most part, Samsung has always been plagued by good (if not great) hardware, crippled by last year's software. Bringing Steve on board means they can now give him the keys to the candy store and let him directly play with the deepest secrets of Samsung's hardware without having to go all the way and make those same closely-guarded secrets public. Think about real-world Linux. How many Ubuntu, Debian, or Fedora users actually build their own kernels? Statistically, none. Between reasonably intelligent decisions at build-time, a half-dozen or so kernels optimized for mainstream bundles of real-world needs to choose from, and loadable kernel modules, there are few reasons for anyone not in academia to roll a kernel from scratch. With a little luck, Samsung users will BE in that position within a few months. Samsung has generally gotten the .ko LKM part right, they've just screwed up the rest of the Kernel. With Steve in there to ensure that there's a signed (if officially unsupported) alternate kernel or two to download from Samsung's website that does everything Cyanogen needs it to do, we'll be happy campers.

  6. Why couldnt you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why on earth would you mention the CyanogenMod but not link to info about it? I mean really wtf is the mod? I guess ill have to google thanks for not supporting my laziness!

    1. Re:Why couldnt you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot editors prefer to have 500 people search for something instead of searching it themselves. Yes, it's backwards.

    2. Re:Why couldnt you by Tsingi · · Score: 3, Informative

      For the rest of the lazy ppls... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CyanogenMod

    3. Re:Why couldnt you by rbrausse · · Score: 1

      crowdsourcing is already obsolete?

    4. Re:Why couldnt you by Calos · · Score: 1

      I don't think that word means what you think it means.

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    5. Re:Why couldnt you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why should editors post a link when Cyanogen has already been covered on Slashdot. http://slashdot.org/index2.pl?fhfilter=cyanogen

    6. Re:Why couldnt you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why should slashdot editors post news that have already been covered everywhere else on the internet.

    7. Re:Why couldnt you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not just link to Cyanogen's home page?

    8. Re:Why couldnt you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No kidding. It's a buzzword with no real meaning. Kinda like "cloud" and "web 2.0".

    9. Re:Why couldnt you by mcvos · · Score: 1

      So we can discuss it here. If you come only for the news, Slashdot is a crappy site.

    10. Re:Why couldnt you by ColdWetDog · · Score: 0

      Why not just link to Cyanogen's home page?

      Amazing. You guys did both. We're proud of you!

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  7. I hope they hire him for the right reasons ... by phoxix · · Score: 3, Insightful

    .... and have him help them optimize their ROM images and the experience presented. Lets hope they don't hire him to help them lock down their ROMs, bootloaders, etc some more ....

    Think about it, who else would be better at locking things down than the guy who defeats such locks all the time?

    1. Re:I hope they hire him for the right reasons ... by stiggle · · Score: 2

      Seeing as Samsung said that any versions of Android above 1.6 wouldn't work on the original Galaxy (i7500) and the community got Froyo working on it nicely - I'd hope they're bringing him in to show the other developers in house how to work with Android properly rather than the less than optimal code they put out now.

      As for locking bootloaders, etc - others have been just as capable of breaking them :-)

    2. Re:I hope they hire him for the right reasons ... by Catnaps · · Score: 1

      "wouldn't work" == "EOLing it, not going to bother, buy a new one".

    3. Re:I hope they hire him for the right reasons ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seeing as Samsung said that any versions of Android above 1.6 wouldn't work on the original Galaxy (i7500) and the community got Froyo working on it nicely

      You seem to be unable to translate marketing speak. That didn't literally mean it wouldn't work. It was them saying that it would cost them more in time and effort than it would be worth it to port since they would see little to no money from it.

    4. Re:I hope they hire him for the right reasons ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're hiring him for both reasons.

    5. Re:I hope they hire him for the right reasons ... by morcego · · Score: 1

      Humm, as far as I know, he doesn't unlock stuff. Actually, based on his statements regarding the Motorola Milestone, he doesn't and won't support phones with locked bootloaders.

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    6. Re:I hope they hire him for the right reasons ... by bears · · Score: 1

      I have an i7500, and it has GAOSP on it. Yes, the community got Froyo working, but not IMO well enough for day to day use. The I7500 was never updated beyond 1.5 in the UK (thanks, O2), and the Samsung 1.5 and 1.6 releases were both rather poor quality - I think the rotten state of Samsung binaries was what stumped the community. That, and just too little memory.

      I'm hoping this means Samsung recognise they have a problem with Android software quality and mean to address it.

    7. Re:I hope they hire him for the right reasons ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      everyboby saw htc pledge to deliver only unlocked devices , this is the new black , any company that doesn't adhere to this will loose the "power user" population of android ,not an interesting move for any manuf. and anyway if samsung asked cyanogen group to get their rom running on a gallaxy SII , this can only be done with an unlocked boot loader , or at least capacity to unlock it

    8. Re:I hope they hire him for the right reasons ... by Zebedeu · · Score: 1

      I had a Galaxy i7500 and while it's true that they did get Froyo running on the hardware, I wouldn't call it nicely.
      "Barely usable" would be a better description.

      Having said that, the community's 1.5 and 1.6 builds were much better than the Samsung counterparts.

    9. Re:I hope they hire him for the right reasons ... by stiggle · · Score: 1

      If the phone is still under contract from the networks then it should still be updated & supported. Bad show by both Samsung and the networks for dropping it while many users still had it under contract.

      If its not worth their time then they should have released all the code for it aswell as making it easier for the community to update the firmware. No company makes money from updating firmware (unless they charge for the updates). As it is, I won't be buying Samsung due to their treatment of customers with the i7500.

  8. As surprising as security firms employ "crackers" by G3ckoG33k · · Score: 0

    As surprising as security firms employ "crackers", sometimes known as "hackers".

    They probably "just" hired someone who had competence in the area, with a CV to speak of.

  9. So long, CyanogenMod by aglider · · Score: 1

    And thanks for all the mods.

    I fear that we'll losethe best Android mod even in a few weeks.

    And that Samsung will finally get a real Android mod^H^H^Hdistribution!

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    1. Re:So long, CyanogenMod by mlts · · Score: 1

      Maybe it is a good thing. With Motorola in capable hands, HTC offering a mechanism for unlocking bootloaders, and Samsung possibly having CyanogenMod support, we might see this effort become something as an option right off the top for Android users.

      It at least would get a consistent interface and tools across handsets.

      What would be awesome in the future would be to be able to have devices ship with their default ROM, but with a few mouse clicks, be able to download CM and switch to it.

      Even nicer would be companies licensing their UIs to CM, so if someone wants MotoBlur (which is pretty nice), or SenseUI, they can be present.

      I'm crossing fingers -- it looks like some of the things that have hamstrung the Android community are being taken care of.

    2. Re:So long, CyanogenMod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it's any indication, the he's removed the video:

      Grab the mods while you can

    3. Re:So long, CyanogenMod by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Right. Next thing you'll want Verizon to quit shoveling crapware on their phones, allow tethering without extra costs, not charge for texting and bring back unlimited use contracts.

      Why do you hate America?

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  10. Re:As surprising as security firms employ "cracker by aglider · · Score: 4, Informative

    Cracker? Hacker?
    Do you have an idea on what CyanogenMod actually is?

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  11. If you can't beat them... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hire them.

  12. Re:As surprising as security firms employ "cracker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bwaaaack! Polly wanna cracker?

  13. Just another move on the board by Lifyre · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is just another move on the chess board. Google bought Motorola which will invariably give Motorola the inside track on Android to some extent. Samsung realized that while their hardware has been quite good their software has been severely lacking in both quality and updates. This hire makes perfect sense, it allows them to produce higher quality software (the goal being to improve upon Google's not just dress it up pretty) with a better update policy. If they actually allow their software to be run like CM has been (and force it through the providers) then it puts LG and HTC in poor positions long term.

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    1. Re:Just another move on the board by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your analysis makes sense and I think matches the impact that Google had initially stated was their rationale behind purchasing Moto Mobility: that it would improve the strength and quality of the ecosystem.

  14. Cyanogen IS Android if you are a geek by c.r.o.c.o · · Score: 4, Informative

    I own a lowly HTC Desire, unlocked and rooted, and I've used it with the stock HTC Sense as well as many other custom firmwares. I have also seen HTC Sense, Motorola Blur and stock Android on other phones

    Cyanogen is by far the most advanced of all. If you really are interested in unlocking your phone's true potential, it's the only choice. My HTC Desire running Cyanogen is about twice faster than when running Sense, both in benchmarks and real world use. Maybe if HTC were to update their OS to 2.3.5 like Cyanogen, the performance differences would be reduced, but that hasn't happened yet AFAIK.

    As the article states, tethering is enabled by default. And it also allows the user to select per app permissions, something even the stock Android will not do. And if you're adventurous, running the Nightlies guarantees the latest technology. It's actually not as dangerous as it sounds, because in almost 100 Nightlies only 2 or 3 were duds and restoring from backups took 15 minutes.

    Whichever phone I purchase next, the main requirement is that Cyanogen supports it. For me it's even more important than camera resolution, screen size or storage space. I mean with a fast SD card and a few tweaks I can fit 100 apps on my HTC Desire.

    1. Re:Cyanogen IS Android if you are a geek by oakgrove · · Score: 1

      Absolutely. My OG Droid with less RAM and a decidedly aging chipset but running Cyanogenmod 7 is faster than my girlfriend's stock Galaxy S. It stuns me that a rag-tag group of enthusiasts can so thoroughly spank a billion dollar corporation's highly funded professional developer group. I wish Steve the best as I have enjoyed his work starting with my old G1 and now with my OG Droid that, honestly, without cyanogen, I would have chucked in the trash long ago. Hmm... Maybe that's why the hardware makers put crap like motoblur and touchwiz on their handsets. People upgrade out of frustration. Android's future is has never looked better what with GoMo, SamgenMod and HTC unlocking their bootloaders. If MS and Apple were worried about the Android train before they're probably shitting their pants now!

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    2. Re:Cyanogen IS Android if you are a geek by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm wondering if we will ever see a phone with no OS installed so that you could install whatever OS you want, just like PC's... (i know, drivers would be the big problem)

    3. Re:Cyanogen IS Android if you are a geek by Asic+Eng · · Score: 1

      tethering is enabled by default

      Is that a US thing? My wife has an Incredible S (purchased in Taiwan) and I have a Galaxy S2 (purchased in Germany). Both allow tethering. Or am I missing something?

      Thanks for making me aware of the per app permission thingy, sounds like I should give Cyanogen a try.

    4. Re:Cyanogen IS Android if you are a geek by Formorian · · Score: 1

      It is? I use the Overcome Mod on my Galaxy Tab and love it. Many others also use this mod. To me Android isn't stock per say, but a collection of different Mod's that give owners of phones/tablets the best choice for themselves.

    5. Re:Cyanogen IS Android if you are a geek by c.r.o.c.o · · Score: 1

      Is that a US thing? My wife has an Incredible S (purchased in Taiwan) and I have a Galaxy S2 (purchased in Germany). Both allow tethering. Or am I missing something?

      Thanks for making me aware of the per app permission thingy, sounds like I should give Cyanogen a try.

      Yes, it is a US and Canadian thing. Basically when the major carriers purchase a phone from the manufacturer, they intentionally have some functionality removed that competes with their paid options. This is justified (in their eyes) by the fact that most people get these phones for free in exchange for signing a lengthy contract. I always buy my phones outright from alternate sources, so I feel no obligation to live with the crippled firmware provided by the carriers

      Today tethering is the first to go, because the carriers also sell laptop plans (that require a separate USB stick) . A few years ago BlackBerries and other phones had wireless disabled at the request of the carriers.

      There's also another issue with carrier locked phones. A couple of people I know have the Nexus S from Canada's Fido (subsidiary of Rogers). While my HTC Desire is running Cyanogen with the latest Market app and Android 2.3.5, their Google phone is still stuck with the old Market app and Android 2.3.4. Why? Because Fido hasn't pushed the 2.3.5 update yet.

    6. Re:Cyanogen IS Android if you are a geek by CODiNE · · Score: 1

      I mean with a fast SD card and a few tweaks I can fit 100 apps on my HTC Desire.

      What does this mean? Do other Android phones or stock OS versions have some kind of App limit?

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    7. Re:Cyanogen IS Android if you are a geek by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most stock ROM's won't let you install apps on the SD card. Some of them can and will use data on the SD card but the app itself generally can't be installed on the SD card.

      CyanogenMod lets you easily install pretty much any app on the SD card. Of course you can do this with pretty much any rooted phone with the problem software but Cyanogen makes it easy by having everything built in.

    8. Re:Cyanogen IS Android if you are a geek by sirlatrom · · Score: 1

      The Desire has a rather small internal storage memory, meaning that unless you change the partition layout you will quickly run out of storage space.

    9. Re:Cyanogen IS Android if you are a geek by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      >It stuns me that a rag-tag group of enthusiasts can so thoroughly spank a
      > billion dollar corporation's highly funded professional developer group.

      A developer group that, like any, is thinly-spread across dozens of individual projects at any moment in time, and never has enough time to do more than make it work well enough to satisfy Marketing & Management. Companies like HTC and Samsung are starting to realize that a dozen guys porting CMx to their hardware is roughly equivalent to quadrupling the size of their in-house development staff. It's cheaper to hire a coach or two to manage an army of unpaid volunteers than it is to hire an equivalent number of full-time real employees.

      As for forced obsolescence driving upgrades, let's be real -- these phones have an average best-case life expectancy of a year or two, max, before somebody drops them, smashes the screen, and ends up with a repair bill that exceeds the cost of a new phone if the user can manage to keep it from happening before his next upgrade is available. They don't HAVE to make them prematurely obsolete. Isaac Newton, slippery plastic, asphalt/concrete, and glass will do the job of removing them from use within a year or two anyway.

      Phone manufacturers can be like GM, piss off & arbitrarily punish customers for the sin of owning last year's model, and guarantee that your next phone will be made by ANYBODY besides them, or they can be like Honda or Lexus, thoroughly *delight* customers with their phones up until the last day they own them, and practically assure that your next ten phones will be made by them as well. In this respect, Samsung kind of falls in the middle (like Hyundai) -- historically, not trying all that hard to delight, but not trying to *antagonize* customers (like GM) either. Like Hyundai, Samsung eventually seems to have realized the direction it wants to go in the future (delighted customers purchasing "affordable luxury" -- not really *cheap*, but shooting for a high feature-per-dollar ratio that puts them 98% of the way to the top for half the price of the next genuine step up)

    10. Re:Cyanogen IS Android if you are a geek by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In a way they do. It's called "internal memory". Internal memory for many phones tends to be on the order of 512MB to 2GB, and on older phones it's even less. By default apps can only install to internal memory, so you're pretty limited in how much you can install. Recent versions of Android allow developers to give users the option of installing to an SD card instead, but not all developers have allowed that. If you root your phone, you have the option to use what is called App2SD. This lets you install any application to the SD card. With that, you're pretty much only limited by how big your SD card is. Cyanogenmod includes App2SD built in. The only caveat is that SD cards tend to be slower than internal flash, so getting a fast one is a really good idea for a good experience.

    11. Re:Cyanogen IS Android if you are a geek by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      It would be pointless. Android is free and costs nothing to put on a phone. A phone without any OS whatsoever would be a warranty-claim nightmare, because you'd never be able to distinguish between a phone that doesn't work because of a hardware defect vs a phone that doesn't work because the user is an idiot. A stock firmware means you can take the phone that allegedly doesn't work, reflash it (if necessary) to that firmware, and declare the user to be an idiot with baseless claim if the phone works as advertised once reflashed.

      It doesn't have to be black and white. By all means, ship the phones with stock firmware. Make it a tiny bit challenging to reflash, just to weed out the people who really don't have the necessary skills. Requiring some kind of physical hardware that's not exotic, but requires some kind of intentional act on the part of the user isn't a bad idea, either, just to make drive-by malware impossible (my personal vote goes to having the user plug in a wired headset and boot the phone while holding in the 'answer' button, then release it during a 2-3 second window of opportunity once a LED elsewhere on the phone blinks, then press some other combination of hardkeys just to make it clear that the user intends to launch the bootloader and it's not an accident). Hell, they can even go so far as to require cryptographically-signed updates, as long as the private signing key for MY phone is in MY possession so I can use it whenever I damn well feel like it.

    12. Re:Cyanogen IS Android if you are a geek by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Xperia X10 mini runs GingerBread perfectly (thanks to minicm7 port), except for features not supported by Sony's kernel (bootloader has not been cracked yet). It is great that you can get all the possible juice from your devices.

    13. Re:Cyanogen IS Android if you are a geek by tepples · · Score: 1

      I always buy my phones outright from alternate sources

      Not everybody is willing to pay hundreds more for these. None of the three largest carriers offer a discount for bringing your own phone; all the plans are priced under the assumption that the subsidy for a new contract phone is included. T-Mobile USA used to give a discount called "Even More Plus", which amounted to $10/mo for voice and $20/mo for voice and data, but this will probably go away once AT&T completes its acquisition of T-Mobile's USA operations.

    14. Re:Cyanogen IS Android if you are a geek by Cougar+Town · · Score: 1

      It can be cheaper to buy outright, depending on the carrier and plans. For example: http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2011/08/02/how-to-save-on-your-cell-phone-plan-with-secret-no-contract-deals/

      (note that I'm not American, so I don't know much about T-Mobile, but I came across that article recently and thought it might help)

    15. Re:Cyanogen IS Android if you are a geek by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's speaking of a storage limit...

      My stock Desire had something like:

      System ROM: 262MB / 159MB free
      Internal (for apps): 154MB

      That means only 154MBs for apps, which isn't very much. And 159MBs is wasted in the system partition doing nothing...

      Using a custom ROM like Cyanogen or (my preference) Oxygen, I have flashed a new HBOOT freeing up an additional 120MB or so from from the system partition, and making it part of the data partition. Now, I have 363MBs or so of data storage for apps...

      Not to mention, you can partition the SDCard with an ext2 partition (a2sd) and add even more space to the data partition...

      I couldn't do any of that with the stock ROM.

    16. Re:Cyanogen IS Android if you are a geek by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I mean with a fast SD card and a few tweaks I can fit 100 apps on my HTC Desire.

      What does this mean? Do other Android phones or stock OS versions have some kind of App limit?

      No just some older phones are limited in the amount of on board memory for apps. Not all apps will rum from SD card and neither will widgets. It's no issue if you have a custom Rom or 1 gig internal memory.

    17. Re:Cyanogen IS Android if you are a geek by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The desire have about 130MB of internal storage for applications and moving to SD is not available for all apps andd even when they do not everything is moved.

      With cyanogen and other roms it's possible to format an ext4 (or 3) parition on the SD card and move all applications to the SD card making it possible to install lots more apps.

    18. Re:Cyanogen IS Android if you are a geek by chrb · · Score: 1

      It stuns me that a rag-tag group of enthusiasts can so thoroughly spank a billion dollar corporation's highly funded professional developer group.

      It shouldn't be that stunning. I have an engineer friend who worked in Korea with one of the ex-managers of Samsung's Galaxy S project. Some amusing insights into Samsung's business strategy:

      • The Galaxy S was actually a beta-prototype. They knew of problems with the hardware and software. When management saw the prototype unit, they decided to ship it. That's right, they went ahead with a worldwide release of a prototype design. The Samsung manager told my friend "Wait for the next hardware - that's the real Galaxy!"
      • As soon as a phone is released, the dev team is disbanded and moved onto other projects. The phone is considered done when it ships. Due to this policy, phones will likely never receive a future software update.

      It might sound like I'm criticising Samsung, but I'm not. Here's the thing - from an engineering perspective, software is never "done". There is always room for improvement, and there are always bugs. At some point, you have to pull the trigger and ship it. Samsung made the call earlier than I would have done (there were apparently problems with the file system causing the UI to freeze, and GPS problems) but maybe they did the right thing; the mobile world is very competitive, and they sold 10 million units and won the "European smartphone of the year" 2010 award. Maybe if they had waited, that wouldn't have happened.

      It shouldn't stun you that a group of enthusiasts could release a better Android than a phone company that has no commitment to future software updates. The current philosophy amongst all mobile manufacturers is that customers will buy a new phone every 12-24 months, so why bother wasting development time on updates for old phones? And for most consumers, that policy is actually correct! The average user does upgrade their phone that regularly. Top of the market smart phone users upgrade even more regularly. Geeks who buy phone hardware and treat it like a computer, updating software over a lifetime of many years, are in the minority.

    19. Re:Cyanogen IS Android if you are a geek by tepples · · Score: 1

      It can be cheaper to buy outright, depending on the carrier and plans.

      The article mentions T-Mobile USA, which is soon to be acquired by AT&T. It also mentions walking into a carrier's store to ask a human being about no-contract service. I asked an AT&T representative about such plans back in March, and he reacted with surprise that another carrier would offer no-contract plans cheaper than contract plans.

    20. Re:Cyanogen IS Android if you are a geek by adolf · · Score: 1

      Except the Cyanogenmod-using crowd consists of those who are most likely to actually fix their own phones when broken.

      I replaced the digitizer and the LCD screen in my Motorola Droid. I'd never have paid someone to do it for me, but as a tinkerer geek it just seemed like the right thing to do. The digitizer was free from someone else's water damaged phone, while the LCD screen is a cheap Ebay part that looks and works just like the original.

      Between fixing things myself and Cyanogenmod, I'm not really interested in a new phone. On the other hand, when it comes time to get something different, I'll surely get something that is both easily hacked and already has good support from CM.

    21. Re:Cyanogen IS Android if you are a geek by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Phone manufacturers can be like GM, piss off & arbitrarily punish customers for the sin of owning last year's model, and guarantee that your next phone will be made by ANYBODY besides them

      That's what Apple does, and Apple buyers keep coming back for more.

    22. Re:Cyanogen IS Android if you are a geek by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      Yes, but they're *Apple* customers, so deep down inside, they know that Steve does it because he loves them and it's for their own good.

      GM has customers too. Some are masochistic enough to buy GM cars over and over again just because They Believe In GM. Others feel compelled to buy only American cars, and show their disgust by buying a GM car, then a non-GM American car, then repeat the cycle. I use GM as an example, because they're the textbook example of a company that just plain doesn't "Get It", has never "Gotten It", and probably won't *ever* truly get it. The one division that showed empathy and hinted that it might have a clue (Saturn) was shut down because it was demoralizing the rest of the company. 50 years from now, Apple might very well be the next GM, living on its past glories and basking in its history.

    23. Re:Cyanogen IS Android if you are a geek by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the US, Tethering is disabled by default on all carriers. Its a additional paid feature, then they will send an "Unlock" code to the phone to enable it. Tethering starts at an additional 15-20$ a month. Its sad, seriously, I buy the data plan, let me use it without having to pay extra.

    24. Re:Cyanogen IS Android if you are a geek by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cyanogen is like linux in the 90's. Sure, you can boot it up, but something won't work right.

      With linux, it was typically your video card and your winmodem. with cyanogen, it's usually your camera.

    25. Re:Cyanogen IS Android if you are a geek by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Phone manufacturers can be like GM, piss off & arbitrarily punish customers for the sin of owning last year's model, and guarantee that your next phone will be made by ANYBODY besides them

      That's what Apple does, and Apple buyers keep coming back for more.

      No, what Apple does is "or they can be like Honda or Lexus, thoroughly *delight* customers with their phones up until the last day they own them, and practically assure that your next ten phones will be made by them as well". That's why people keep coming back for more.

      If Apple was as horrible as you claim, they'd never get so much repeat business. I challenge you to name just one thing Apple does which arbitrarily punishes customers for the sin of owning last year's model. Compared to the average Android handset maker, Apple is heaven. Their phones stay supported for two years (at least), they don't jerk you around with a rapidly changing and confusing product line (one hardware generation per year, or less), and most important of all, they never ever load up their phones with software which makes users fervently desire to install something akin to Cyanogen just to escape the soul-crushing badness of the default OS.

      I know it's fashionable among slashdotistas to imagine that the only reason Apple succeeds is hip trendiness, but you're living in denial.

    26. Re:Cyanogen IS Android if you are a geek by Dryanta · · Score: 1

      car analogy on /. is fail

    27. Re:Cyanogen IS Android if you are a geek by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it means the Desire has very little memory onboard

    28. Re:Cyanogen IS Android if you are a geek by wolrahnaes · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately most Android device manufacturers have stupidly decided to put a nearly useless amount of internal flash ROM in their phones and then try to balance it by including a decent sized but typically crappy and slow microSD card. My Evo has 512MB of ROM, of which about half of that is available for use on a stock CyanogenMod install (HTC's OEM "SenseUI" ROM is even worse). Some Android apps can't run off SD through the Google official method and others don't run well, but if you have a modded ROM installed you can usually use "Apps2SD" which involves creating another partition on your SD card and mounting it in such a way that the phone thinks it's part of the internal storage.

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    29. Re:Cyanogen IS Android if you are a geek by mjwx · · Score: 1

      It stuns me that a rag-tag group of enthusiasts can so thoroughly spank a billion dollar corporation's highly funded professional developer group.

      I'd hardly call the CM community "rag-tag" but I'll answer that point. Some of the CM releases were abysmal. frequent reboots, radio dropouts, FC galore, pretty much to the point that you had to go back to the previous version. Whilst I haven't seen this in recent days the fact that CM can put out a release with a lot of bugs without any recourse gives them the advantage they need to innovate. If Samsung or HTC released a buggy OS update there'd be riots in the street, but CM gets a pass because it's free and community produced, which is a good thing(TM). Put simply:

      Stock ROM: Old and stable.
      Community ROM: innovative and unstable.

      That being said, I've been running CM 6 (2.2) and 7 (2.3) on my HTC Desire Z and haven't had a single issue and I'm looking forward to CM 8 (Ice Cream Sandwich). Steve Kondik and co have gotten a lot better at putting out damned good releases, the maturing of the Android code base also helped.

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    30. Re:Cyanogen IS Android if you are a geek by brunes69 · · Score: 1

      This is not really true. Cyanogen is basically vanilla Android, with a few UI tweaks. That is it.

      There are a lot of things lacking in vanilla Android

      - The stock launcher is pretty bare-bones. I use ADW

      - The stock camera app is pretty bare-bones. Can't even do panoramas. I prefer (and use) the one Samsung wrote

      - Stock lockscreens are crap. I purchased WidgetLocker, best $2.00 I ever spent.

      I find when most people go on about such-and-such in Syanogen - they often fail to realize that such-and-such feature is actually a *vanilla Android* feature, and available in many ROMS - it just might have been stripped by their phone manufacturer.

    31. Re:Cyanogen IS Android if you are a geek by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I mean with a fast SD card and a few tweaks I can fit 100 apps on my HTC Desire.

      What does this mean? Do other Android phones or stock OS versions have some kind of App limit?

      None that I know of. The Desire has simply not enough internal memory to hold many apps. APP2SD is too limited on stock phones to eliminate this problem. Personally, I wouldn't feel comfortable buying a device with less than 2GB.

  15. Re:As surprising as security firms employ "cracker by Lifyre · · Score: 1

    I think he does since all he said was that Samsung hiring Kondik is as surprising as a software security firm hiring people who know how to compromise software... That is to say not at all.

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  16. Re:As surprising as security firms employ "cracker by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

    I am sure he has a much better idea of what CyanogenMod is than you have of reading comprehension. Of course, that's damning him with the faintest of praise.

  17. Huh? by carrier+lost · · Score: 1

    I thought Google was committed to keeping Android "open".

    Where's the sense in offering an open platform and then sending out cease-and-desist letters to people who modify it?

    1. Re:Huh? by nateand · · Score: 2

      The only thing they wanted stopped was the inclusion of the Google Apps on cyanogenmod by default. Now the ROM comes without google apps, but you can easily download an installer that adds them back in.

    2. Re:Huh? by ahow628 · · Score: 2

      They asked him in the cease and desist to remove the proprietary Google apps (Gmail, Reader, or whatever) from the package. They are available as a separate flashable zip.

    3. Re:Huh? by damnbunni · · Score: 3, Informative

      As I understand it the C&D wasn't for modifying Android, it was for bundling the Google Apps in with the modified Android. (You can still get them with Cyanogenmod, but now they're a separate download.)

    4. Re:Huh? by idontgno · · Score: 2

      Where's the sense in offering an open platform and then sending out cease-and-desist letters to people who modify it?

      And that, my lost-carrier friend, is the existential question. Why would Google do that?

      Consensus is that Google has a slightly different meaning for the word "open". They support AOSP, which means that the Android core OS is open in the more-or-less conventional sense. AOSP is, after all the beginning of awesome mod roms like Cyanogenmod. But Google's sense of openness ends where their own service software (like Maps, or Market) starts. Those are almost as closed as Office for Microsoft. That's what the C&D was about: distributing Google Apps with the Cyanogenmod package. So GApps have been unbundled from the mod rom and you download those as a separate rom from heaven-only-knows-where. But it works. Certainly having a tool like ROM Manager helps locate and install all the pieces.

      I would never have spent my money and mindshare on an Android phone if the architecture and most of the culture weren't modding-friendly. I don't need a mobile phone, but if I'm buying an ultraportable computer I'm buying one I can hack around on.

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    5. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They haven't sent cease-and-desist letters to anyone for modding android. They did only to stop someone from using their proprietary applications, which is their right. Otherwise, they have been quite supportive of the modding community.

    6. Re:Huh? by beanpoppa · · Score: 1

      The C&D had nothing to do with modifying the phones or OS, but why let facts get in the way of rhetoric.

    7. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AOSP is dual BSD/GPL. Now ask yourself, what legal claims would Google have to pursue action against third-party modification. Obviously the C&D wasn't about code, unless the person failed to abide by the software license. Hmm... maybe the complaint was about illegal distribution of binaries?

    8. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Make that Apache/GPL. Dunno what I was thinking of... maybe WebKit.

    9. Re:Huh? by carrier+lost · · Score: 1

      Thanks everyone for the replies. I should have read further, but didn't have the time.

  18. And more to come... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's not the only one samsung is hiring... :) I can't say more at the moment but stay tuned :)

    Namaste :)

  19. Re:As surprising as security firms employ "cracker by clickety6 · · Score: 1

    Cracker? Hacker? Do you have an idea on what CyanogenMod actually is?

    I don't. Would be nice if the summary actually gave some background details. maybe, you know, an editor could like edit the summary and add some.

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  20. Interesting, I'd like to try it out by bkk_diesel · · Score: 1

    I went to the website after reading about this to see if it was available for the Motorola Defy.
    It seems like it's no longer available though.
    Anyone have any insight?

    http://www.cyanogenmod.com/devices/motorola-defy

  21. So what mod? by yodleboy · · Score: 1

    I installed DarkyROM 9.3 (froyo) a couple of weeks ago and have been pretty happy, particularly with battery life. How does it compare to Cyanogen? Any good reason to switch?

    1. Re:So what mod? by GooberToo · · Score: 1

      CyanogenMod tends to try to target the sweet spot between performance and battery life. You may not get as good of battery life (then again, you may) but likely you'll have a faster, lower latency experience with CyanogenMod.

  22. Defensive move? by Spykk · · Score: 1

    Could this be Samsung's way of hedging its bets against Google closing Android now that it is buying Motorola? Cyanogen Mod doesn't rely on any of the Google code that isn't open source so it could be forked to cut Google out all together if need be.

    1. Re:Defensive move? by polyp2000 · · Score: 1

      Unlikely ...
      Far more likely its for its patent portfolio of over 14000 patents. And since Motorola have been in the mobile business for a very long time Ill bet they
      have a substantial catalogue of patent missiles ready to fire over the fence to anyone who wants a mudslinging match with Google / Android.

      This almost certainly a response to the shit flinging against android thats fashionable at the moment.

      N...

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  23. Market is not in AOSP by tepples · · Score: 1

    Not to mention the fact that the cellphone version of Android is available in its entirety in source form from AOSP

    The Market application is not; it's made available only to OHA members. I've read about problems getting Market back after installing CM.

    1. Re:Market is not in AOSP by oakgrove · · Score: 1

      The Market application is just that. An application. It adds a ton of value to Android but it is not Android anymore than iTunes is OSX or Internet Explorer is Windows despite MS' protestations to the contrary. To put an even finer point on it, it is only in the last few years that people have any expectation of a default application delivery mechanism be included with an operating system. Does that makes Windows not Windows because it doesn't have an analog to the market? Of course not. With Windows, you can search the internet and download what you need. As it is with Android.

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  24. 2009! by darryl13 · · Score: 1

    this is from 2009...

    1. Re:2009! by padraic2 · · Score: 1

      Read the summary, slowly, and try again.

    2. Re:2009! by darryl13 · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I was reading/skimming it too fast.

  25. Chase Mobile App is not in APK by tepples · · Score: 1

    With Windows, you can search the internet and download what you need. As it is with Android.

    Unless your bank won't make its check deposit application available as a downloadable .apk file. I visit Chase's page about its Quick Deposit application on my device, but all it says is "Get the Chase Mobile App from the App Store or Android Market." Specifically, "Chase Mobile App" is not clickable.

    1. Re:Chase Mobile App is not in APK by oakgrove · · Score: 1
      The last time I saw you posting about this issue, I personally downloaded the Chase app and then copied it from the phone, put it on dropbox and posted a link for you.

      Here it is again.

      What does this have to do with vanilla AOSP Android again?

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  26. Re:As surprising as security firms employ "cracker by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 0
    an editor could like edit the summary and add some.

    You must be new here.

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  27. Verifying banking apps by tepples · · Score: 1

    Here it is again

    Thank you. I have downloaded it and will install it on my device once I can answer the following question that someone brought up last time: How should I verify that the application available from Dropbox is identical to the one that Chase distributes via Android Market and not an attempt to defraud? If Chase were distributing the .apk on Chase.com, I could do due diligence on the connection's SSL certificate. This page recommends using jarsigner.exe, but all I get from jarsigner -verify -verbose -certs com.chase.sig.android-1.apk is that it was signed with an X.509 certificate from someone claiming to be "JPMorgan Chase", not that the purported "JPMorgan Chase" in the certificate is the same entity that operates chase.com.

    1. Re:Verifying banking apps by oakgrove · · Score: 1

      That's a good question. I'll look into it.

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  28. Samsung's Linux phone? by KWTm · · Score: 1

    This shows some support on the part of Samsung for open source, although not in the way I had been hoping. I've heard that Samsung is working on a Linux-based phone, apparently with shell. Is this correct? Anyone else confirm/refute this? I heard from what seemed to be a reliable "on the inside" source a year ago, but with the way the economy is going, I wouldn't be surprised if this was a very real project that met a very real end.

    Any inkling of news would be appreciated, however, since I am hoping I don't have to replace a failing N900 with another N900 bought somewhere over eBay.

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    1. Re:Samsung's Linux phone? by Lifyre · · Score: 1

      Interesting I hadn't heard this before. Although unless I missed something adding shell to Android is fairly trivial so it could just be a custom flavor of Android.

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  29. First item on his list of things to do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If his first day doesn't involve forcing Samsung to cease all development of TouchWiz and all of their shitty Android UI mods then force then to stick to true ASOP. If not, why fucking bother taking the job?