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Facebook Says That Google+ Has No Users

dkd903 noticed another amusing shot in the battle between G+ and Facebook. CNN is running a story where Facebook's director of game partnership Sean Ryan basically says Google+ has no users. The article is mostly about casual gaming on social platforms, which I am really sick of individually blocking.

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  1. Google+ by Mig55 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    He is quite correct. I have a Facebook account and several of my friends who wanted to see it also do.. but it's empty. There's nothing happening there. This interesting article also says the same - there is nothing happening in Google+, while people just use Facebook like before. It also points out that the circles by design make Google+ less social "social network" by greatly limiting what people share and see.

    I don't see it changing anytime soon either. Google+ misses all those things that make social network social. There's no pages either. I've noticed Facebook works nicely as some kind of a rss reader if you join the pages that interest you. Besides, I'm not quite comfortable with Google's datamining. They already have my searches, youtube views, analytics from everywhere of the internet..

    1. Re:Google+ by jaymz666 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Facebook's data mining is more insidious.

      As for circles, being able to direct messages at friends, family, the world, is enormously useful. The problem is it means you have to decide on every post who you want to share it with. However, that means you know who every post is going to.

    2. Re:Google+ by yelvington · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There's nothing happening there.

      Then you're doing it wrong.

      Put some interesting people in your circles. It's not all geeks. There's a very active bunch of photographers sharing images, people talking about cooking, local conversations (the mobile app does geolocation-based searches), and group video chat (Hangouts).

      Plenty is happening when I log in, but then I have about 500 people in my circles, and more than twice that number have me in their circles. My circles are quite a bit more active (and informative) than my Facebook news feed, but less than my Twitter feed.

      There is room for multiple services. This isn't the Highlander.

    3. Re:Google+ by oakgrove · · Score: 3, Funny

      Besides, I'm not quite comfortable with Google's datamining.

      Oh look! It's another paid Facebook hypocrite shill. Didn't you guys' astroturfing campaign get exposed months ago? And you're still at it?

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    4. Re:Google+ by C_Kode · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Facebook's data mining is more insidious.

      How? People keep repeating this, but nobody has any details. What, exactly, has FB done with personal data that's so evil? Anyone?

      How about every time I turn off sharing of data with other websites, they issues a *new* privacy policy and all the sudden I'm sharing my data with other websites again?

      Facebook is a privacy nightmare.

    5. Re:Google+ by cultiv8 · · Score: 2

      Funny enough, this is the only article on /. that the OP, Mig55, has commented on.

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    6. Re:Google+ by oakgrove · · Score: 2

      I'll tell you what, I'll let you know how much they're paying me if you'll agree to accept my check in exchange to never post on Slashdot again. Deal?

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    7. Re:Google+ by jaymz666 · · Score: 2

      They don't need a search engine, they have the like button that exists on how many sites outside of facebook? A boatload

    8. Re:Google+ by dyingtolive · · Score: 2

      With that same rationale, you should have never left MySpace.

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    9. Re:Google+ by fyngyrz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Google+ is a non-starter for me until/unless they stop locking out people who need to be anonymous. Facebook is too, but I never had any expectation that Facebook would do anything right -- Google, frankly, I would like to see get back to at least attempting to "do no evil."

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    10. Re:Google+ by anyGould · · Score: 3, Informative

      Google+ is a non-starter for me until/unless they stop locking out people who need to be anonymous. Facebook is too, but I never had any expectation that Facebook would do anything right -- Google, frankly, I would like to see get back to at least attempting to "do no evil."

      I think they're waiting for someone to give a use case for why anonymous people need Google+ specifically.

      Frankly, if you're in a position to need anonymity (as opposed to just wanting it), you should be staying off social networks in general.

    11. Re:Google+ by tomhudson · · Score: 2

      Also, with Facebook you only get ads and targeting within Facebook. With Google+ they use that data all over the internet.

      Totally wrong. See all those "like" buttons on all the sites? All those sites hit facebooks' servers every time you load a page, and facebook links each hit with your FB identity, so they are tracking you all over the internet.

      If you're anonymous, and you then create a facebook account, facebook tries to match up your prior anonymous surfing with your newly-created account.

    12. Re:Google+ by molnarcs · · Score: 2

      That was exactly my experience on G+ - following interesting people, mostly photographers (I'm an enthusiastic beginner), participating in discussions, etc. proved to be far more engaging than Facebook ever was. I spend more time on G+ than I ever did on Facebook, though that doesn't say much since I never found facebook interesting enough to play with. G+ is definitely different. I learned more about photography, for example, in just the past few weeks then in the preceding months! And I don't see it as a Facebook killer either. Yeah, I also quit facebook almost completely. My blog posts still show up there, and like once a week I spend about 5 minutes replying to someone, but that's all. On the other hand, I post better content myself than I used to, and so do G+ users in general in my opinion. Perhaps the follow/be followed and the whole circles/private/public concept gives more incentive for people to think before their post, or at least don't broadcast to everyone what you had for dinner, because people will just uncircle you if you are too noisy. Yes, like minded people easily find each other - G+ is lightyears ahead in this respect - and also provides the same facilities (keep in touch with classmates, people you already know). I just see no reason to use Facebook anymore.

    13. Re:Google+ by mfh · · Score: 2

      You should have posted this anonymously just for the hell of it.

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    14. Re:Google+ by Skarecrow77 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I do.

      when I say "9 times out of 10 i get better discussion" I'm talking about topics that would warrant discussion.

      I think that a lot of my friends just "skim" facebook for interesting stuff, but dig in to google+ because there's less there, so you have more time to peruse each post.

      It's like the tabloids at the supermarket. you're standing in line there, maybe you see that lindsey lohan has done something stupid or one of the kardashians is pregnant or tom cruise has been proven to be a robot or something. maybe you'll even pick up one and look at it for a few seconds... but there's so much garbage there that you just skim it and ignore most of it.

      if instead of 15 tabloids you had, say, 2 newspapers, you'd probably spend a lot more time looking at a given article in the time available to you.

      Honestly, I've found that very few of my facebook friends have much to say really. everything is in 1 or 2 sentence bites at best. occasionally somebody's post may have a good comments section where you can have a lively debate, but not often. I'm guessing that facebook limits you to about 4 or 5 sentences in your inital post to discourage people from posting 30-page spam updates or something like that, but considering that they auto-shorten anything beyond about 3 lines anyway, what's the point? I very much enjoy that Google+ will let my inital post be whatever the hell I want it to be.

  2. He's Right by Gr33nJ3ll0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There are no companies (users in Facebook speak) actively mining your content on Google+.

    1. Re:He's Right by Missing.Matter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Uh, there's at least one (Google).

    2. Re:He's Right by DrVxD · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There are no companies (users in Facebook speak) actively mining your content on Google+.

      With one obvious exception ...

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  3. isn't G+ still invite-only beta? by waddgodd · · Score: 3, Informative

    From the "thank you Captain Obvious" department, something that's in an invite-only beta practically has no users. Really? How did you ever get THAT idea?

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    1. Re:isn't G+ still invite-only beta? by Dahamma · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, this invite-only beta already has over 25 million users. 5% of Facebook's user base in a month by invitation only isn't too shabby.

    2. Re:isn't G+ still invite-only beta? by Dahamma · · Score: 2

      Same with Facebook. But no one wants you to know the number of inactive users on their service...

  4. Oh Noes! by webheaded · · Score: 2

    The service that hasn't actually officially opened yet to the public has no users? I, for one, am shocked. Absolutely shocked. It's invite only, for crying out loud, shut up already. Let's just wait and see what happens when they actually release the damn thing. You can't say it's dead and you can't say it's going to kill Facebook because IT HAS NOT EVEN BEEN OPENED FOR PUBLIC REGISTRATION YET. Good lord, people. Let's all take a step back for a second, take a deep breathe, and give it a little time before you make your baseless predictions.

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  5. It's a feature by Tridus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Isn't no Farmville spam the entire selling point of Google+? Everybody I know using it is there precisely because it's NOT Facebook and doesn't have all the annoying spam (and even more annoying emo users) that make Facebook a wasteland of human stupidity.

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  6. Re:No social games? by dreemernj · · Score: 2

    They added the games to Google+ a few days ago. So far, not too bad. Hopefully they don't go the route of Facebook.

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  7. Which is worse? by JustAnotherIdiot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Google+ has no users, but Facebook has no users worth talking to.
    I think I'll take Google+ if I'm forced to choose one.

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  8. G+'s biggest strength may be its biggest weakness by Bloodwine77 · · Score: 2

    Google+'s biggest strength is that it puts circles front-and-center so that you can control who sees your posts on a per-post basis. Yes you can do the same in Facebook, but it is a tedious workflow in Facebook.

    I am starting to think this may be Google+'s biggest weakness as well. Now that people can share posts with sub-sets of their friends list with ease, Google+ overall feels less active. I wonder how much of that feeling of inactivity has to do with not being aware of private, walled off conversations between members of your circles. Honestly, how many close friends do you have on Facebook or Google+? It is more than likely that the bulk of your friends lists / circles are acquaintances or friends of friends and those are the people that you are less likely to share posts with ... and vice-versa.

  9. Sad by Beelzebud · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's sad watching people argue over which advertising conglomerate they want to give all their personal information to.

  10. Sick of individually blocking FB games? by Resident+Netizen · · Score: 2

    I use FB Purity. Awesome.
    http://www.fbpurity.com/
    That and a couple other tweaks in FF makes FB a reasonably enjoyable experience.

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  11. HHGTTG by Faux_Pseudo · · Score: 2

    he is correct. The Hitchhikers Guide shows us there is no mone, no people, no sex and therfore no users.

  12. Counting users by game accounts? by Snorklefish · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Everyone who's ever intensively played a 'social game' on Facebook knows the simple truth: they're surrounded by fake accounts. For over two years I managed in excess of 40 Facebook accounts without ever being flagged... I presumed most of my 'friends' were fake as well. Even now the accounts are just sitting there, untouched, unused, but inflating FB's user numbers.

    I recognize I was cheating. It was wrong and I shouldn't have done it. For my actions, I've chosen to exile myself from FB games altogether. Certainly, not everyone cheats or creates multiple accounts as I did. But I venture that enough 'gamers' do it to seriously distort Facebook's numbers.

  13. Re:G+'s biggest strength may be its biggest weakne by smbell · · Score: 2

    Google+, if you don't see your friends posting often, their talking about you.

  14. Nice try by Charliemopps · · Score: 2

    Facebooks the most hated company on the internet... proven by several polls now. Their on their way out. If Google acted anything like Microsoft does, Facebook would have been dead years ago. It's only a matter of time.

  15. Re:No iPhone/iPad app by smbell · · Score: 2
  16. Re:Is all this "back and forth" for real? by Dahamma · · Score: 2

    I don't get why Google feels the need to come up with G+ and compete with Facebook. Stick to fscking search, stick to what you're best at. I don't understand this Microsoft mentality of "Oh, we didn't have this first and make money with it? Lets do one of our own! And fire the people in charge of marketing and precognition. They should have known social networking would become such a huge hit."

    The problem is that Facebook is basically becoming a walled garden service for many Internet users now. Message/mail service, chat, blogging, location, games, photo albums, business info, etc - there are a lot of people who use it almost exclusively. And that walled garden experience means Facebook has 100% control over the ads people see.

    Google is not a search company, they are an advertising company. Everything they do eventually goes back to serving ads to people as efficiently and accurately as possible; it makes up almost all of their revenue. Search is the largest traffic draw for that, but Gmail, Google Maps, Android apps/store, and everything else they do serve the same goal. If Google lets Facebook take over the majority of Internet users' time online, it doesn't matter what services they offer, no one will see them or the ads they serve.

  17. Solution for your individual blocking woes by TheSpoom · · Score: 2

    FB Purity uses your browser to implement a whitelist of applications that get to your feed, so even as new games are "released" (usually in the case of Zynga, poorly reimplemented or bought) you won't see their spam unless you specifically allow them.

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  18. Re:Oh yeah? by oldmac31310 · · Score: 2

    And Google has no GOO! or GLE fo that matter. So there!

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  19. Re:G+'s biggest strength may be its biggest weakne by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 2

    It sounds like all you need is two circles to duplicate your facebook experience.

    I have family
    friends
    dnd
    acquaintances .
    a couple private groups

    I don't go overboard but I could see how you could overdo it.

    On facebook, everything was mashed together. It caused me stress and embarassment occasionally.

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  20. And Facebook has no ethics by agoliveira · · Score: 2

    It's users have no privacy, no real opt-out, no right to it's own content.

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  21. oh trust me by nimbius · · Score: 2

    they have plenty of users. not a day goes by where im not reminded through email about these users...some of whom ive gone so far as to call 'friends' in the past, in something called 'real life,' before their google+ email campaign began.

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  22. They have at least 1 user by FictionPimp · · Score: 2

    I use google+ and I don't have a facebook account. It is slowly replacing twitter for me. I love it. I have about 50 people in my circles.

  23. Re:Google+ dead by omnichad · · Score: 2

    Declaring something dead, before it's even officially released for everyone. Man, people on the internet these days.

    You mean like Google Wave?

  24. Well... it must be true... by D+rent · · Score: 2

    Why would facebook lie about it? Anyway, if there's a lack of user maybe it's about time to open it to the public, I've been like one month waiting for it and haven't got a way to get a damn invite (all the people I know use only facebook, or that spanish rip-off called twenti which is even worse).

  25. It hasn't even opened up registration to new users by Flipao · · Score: 2

    Can we please get an objective article on these issues from time to time?,earlier today we got what was essentially a corporate ad praising Android's African success and now we get the flipside with some Facebook PR guy defending his home turf.

    G+ is nowhere near close to being a threat to Facebook yet, we know that, but it does have 25 million registered users in what is essentially a closed beta test.

    Predictions this early are useless and will all but reflect individual bias, preferences and loyalties. If you feel like it. you can look at past precedents like Gmail (hit) or Wave (miss) and get a slight idea of where things are going; a Facebook exec is the last person I'd trust to tell me how Google+ is doing.