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Canadian Government Seeking New Net Snooping Powers
An anonymous reader writes "A bill being considered by the Canadian federal parliament includes two clauses specifically to reduce the 'due process' imposed when the police need information from ISPs. Under the proposed bill, law enforcement officers will not require a warrant to acquire information about internet subscribers from Canadian ISPs ... Paul Ducklin has criticized the bill saying that it 'doesn't even seem to propose that the requests be based on any sort of specific identifier, such as a name or an email address ... This suggests, in the worst case, that an ISP might be compelled simply to hand over information about all subscribers. No warrant needed, and thus no proactive oversight by the judiciary.'"
The US and Canadian governments illustrate more and more every day how the interests of big money outweigh the duty to the public.
That's just great. What else are on the table?
At least State-side you have to call them a terr'ist first.
Canada seems to be picking up the US's bad habits lately....
The governments of the world clearly do not like the free flow of information. They gave lip service to it during the Arab uprisings, but the agenda has always been pretty clear. An informed public is a threat to those in power. At the very least, we need to legitimize thoughtcrime, so we can proactively harass dissidents.
"Flash mobs" will be the excuse, as if protests and riots are all organized on facebook.
But, it's done. Just like the US economy is done. The world changed in every aspect, seemingly overnight. We're way the fuck through the looking glass at this point.
You pulled a bill from a year ago, that has been effectively tabled by the fact that we just had an election? And where no current bill of the same authority is under consideration?
There is no bill, hence no discussion anymore, hence NO FUCKING STORY. Way to factcheck.
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This was from last year.
This will be pushed and refuted for as long as Stephen Harper's Conservatives will be in power. Luckily, the CRTC would never allow it without having the full support of the population.
Personally, i don't care, i have an agreement with my ISP, they would never divulge my name and address, unless they had a proclamation signed by a judge. Even if the Tories were able to amend such law that authorities would request personal consumer information without a warrant.
When our country is being compared to China in copyright issues that is just bad. Too many cheap people out their stealing.
This is what bothers me. I consider it a serious flaw in all forms of government.
The advocates of this kind of fascism can just keep trying, again and again, defeat after defeat, to get this into law. They know that eventually they will find one set of legislators who will pass it. It's just a matter of persistence. Once it becomes law, it will never be repealed. No amount of protesting or lack of popularity will change that.
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So for those who always play the "Baw, I'm moving to Canada" card... where to now?
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No.
Information is information, violence is violence, theft is theft. Canada is fortunate to have one of the broadest freedom of speech policies in the world.
Dangerous information:
Bombs: Yea, good for preventing fascism.
Yelling fire: No one takes the Internet that seriously.
Child porn: This is an interesting one. Apparently viewing child porn has a high incidence of creating child molesters. This is based off a study conducted by the CIA and FBI to justify wire tapping, in the 80s. I'd really like to see this one revisited.
Harper should have had Jack Layton cancer !
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Just have the chief of police, or whomever, come before Parliament and state, for the record...
"I have a team of 100 officers, standing by to make phone calls to the ISPs of every single one of you, and will be requesting ALL information regarding YOUR accounts. Where you've been, who you've been chatting with, what sites you've been browsing. Because past behavior has given us MORE than enough reason to investigate you all."
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'You won't recognize Canada when I get through with it,' -Harper
I'm also looking to the mandatory minimum sentences and other idiocy they'll be cooking up. I really wish we had PR.
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The bill will be dropped fairly fast if all Canadians agree to it on one condition: real time uncensored logs of all Internet use (work and private) of all federal and provincial politicians, judges and anyone invovled in law enforcement or the court system. See how long the bill lasts.
Yes, friends, the weasels of Fascism are all but impossible to kill.
Smacked down and laid out on the table last year, the Canadian Bill to Americanize (note the spelling here) Canada by implementing in Canadian law American-Style due-process avoidance exceptions was thought, by the naive, to be dead.
But in an effort not unexpected by the cynical, the new government has brought the body back from the morgue and has reintroduced the tabled bill, with all its due-process dodging paragraphs intact. It is making another press to, within 100 days, fling the warmed-over corpse across the goal and into law.
If this were the other kind of f***ing the politicians were attempting, coming on again and again, refusing to accept demurrer and polite decline and even firm slapping down of the reaching hands and sharp 'NO!' from those who wish to live free of big-brother's incestuous intrusions, attempt to rape could accused.
A lot of people here are whining that this is old news from last year. However, if you read the article you'll see that the government is reintroducing this bill as a part of their "vow" to get tough on crime. This bill will likely get repackaged in the next few weeks and pushed through. It's a concern for those of us north of the border.
As others have noted, this (anonymous) submission may be pointless. (I haven't verified that, though.)
With that said, Canadians, please look to the future and learn about your options.
There is a great article/tutorial on Surveillance Self Defense at the EFF. Although it is aimed primarily at US citizens, much of it also applies to you - and the technical tools described are equally effective in any country.
I really want Canada to be a place of enlightened freedom, so I have someplace to go when the Corporate Snakes of America becomes too onerous to stomach any longer. Get to work on that, will ya?
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There has been something called PIPEDA which the local police used all the time (which has been around for quite sometime) and has been longer than 1 year probably over 5 or more years I know I have been served PIPEDA requests for information from the local ICE squad
While the bill from the article is from a year ago, and therefore the summary sucks, the basic premise of the story remains very much intact under the current Harper government. The real story is as follows and is only six months old, as opposed to a year, so its good for slashdot:
"A bill will soon be passed into law by the Canadian government, which will require that ISPs disclose customer information such as name, phone number, email address, IP address, house address, and more, and furthermore require ISPS to allow for the monitoring, interception, and isolation of internet communications in real time. This will be brought forward in an omnibus collection of other bills by the majority government."
If you think the idea of the linked bill was bad, enjoy the one that will *actually* come to pass.
Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.
To my fellow Canadians, there's a petition at http://stopspying.ca to hopefully prevent this sort of crap from happening. Or at least, to raise our voice..
There is no such thing as due process in Canada. There never was. Authorities can decide on a whim what they will do to you.
There is also no recourse, no accountability, no freedom from intrusion. The 'reasonable grounds' dictate for search and seizure are based on some drones best imaginings of you at the time.
The Canadian government also collects information about the population on a regular basis ans stores it away in
CPIC and among various vestigial databases.
There are no real controls over how CPIC data are used. Any disgruntled police officer can diddle the database with impunity.
Any non-active or ex police member can still gain access to private records at any time.
Many police officers use the public databases for personal searches, outside the bounds of actual casework. They then pass this
information on to private individuals, family and friends. Some do it for money.
The Canadian databases have serious data quality problems. Any complaint is placed in public databases and may later be used as evidence or
'leverage'.
Since complaints are logged and remain in databases for years. People use the complaint process as a way to harass others.
There is no logging of WHO entered data into Canada's public databases. This means that if there is an error or illegal manipulation of the database, no employees can be fired.
There is also no logging of WHO VIEWS Canada's public databases. This means that there are no employees fired for misusing Canadian databases.
As you can see I am not a big believer in Canada's privacy and human/civil rights performance when it comes to it's citizens.
I believe applicable the term is G.I.G.O. (wikipedia)
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The Canadian Charter of Rights contains no reference to " due process of law" it substitutes for the Phrase " fundamental justice". The court interpreted "fundamental Justice as the substantive concept" . Main Problem: vague concept.
source: http://www.unb.ca/democracy/English/Ideas/DueProcess/DueProcess.html
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http://openmedia.ca/StopSpying is a good resource for current news on the Harper government's act of terrorism on this country's internet. show your support and send one of their message to the people in power. lets use our best tool (Internets! http://openmedia.ca/Resources ) against Harper and his gang of idiots.
Well since the conservatives have managed to grind the medical greens to the point of uselessness, trust me - no paper work will ever get done any more. They don't follow up with any thing they put in print, nor do they encrypt any thing. Now the expansion of prisons and soon the mandatory minimum will be in place, and so I guess the rich decided the pharmaceuticals are worth protecting aggressively rather than giving a shit about us normal Canadians. Lets face it, how many times have you seen the full page 'cops for cancer' bull in your newspaper, lets face the facts here people. Cancer was cured in 1974-75! and this breaking down of the monetary system is really making those in power behave rather poorly towards the rest of us. Also the watching over our Internet use doesn't surprise me any more than most of you people. So what's next for social camouflage? Parading around on our bikes with pink shits stating we are just as stupid as the normal clowns. I guess it's a little late to finally read 1984 as it just would not be as fun as the real thing.
The immature mind measures.
Just what we need. Less due process. Actually I'm very irritated by this.
I have one word to describe the proponents of warrantless searches: Neo-Nazis. Well, its really 2 words. It is noteworthy that the Chinese Nazi dictatorship praises Britain and countries like Canada that adopt such measures, since it serves to legitimize China's regular policy of oppression of free speech and civil liberties. The Nazis in Iran are solidly behind such moves, as well. Good company to keep!
This was tried a few years ago under the auspices of "Save the children from kiddy porn"...
It didn't fly then, and was defeated.
Now that the Conservatives have a majority, and are making silly decisions in an effort to "look tough on crime"...
I hope it doesn't pass, but if it ever will, now is the time.
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I am nearly 60 years old. The Harper government is the worst, and most frightening government to hold power in Canada in my lifetime.
Their right wing ideology is extreme indeed. They routinely dismiss evidence provided by Statistics Canada that shows that crime rates have dropped significantly in the past decade or three. They are determined to get "tough on crime" by emulating the most egregiously idiotic and unsuccessful methods used in the United States, primarily by imposing ridiculous sentences and imprisoning vastly increased numbers of people.
The Conservatives want to remove the discretion of courts to impose sentences that fit the circumstances. They want to increase police powers, and to roll back three decades of rights jurisprudence under the Canadian Charter of Rights by stacking the Supreme Courts with right wing toadies. They love the military, the police, and white, wealthy businessmen.
The Conservatives will succeed in ruining Canada's traditionally (relatively) fair-minded liberal constitutional democracy. They are politically astute, extremely well funded, and face opposition parties that are fractious and inept. (I include the New Democratic Party in my assessment). Canada's populace is the real ace in the hole for the Conservatives. Moderate or left-leaning Canadians are either dozy and apathetic, or fixated on identity politics in a way that barely slows the right wing down. It appears to be trivially easy to silence all debate when it comes to "getting tough" on sexual offences. No politician from any party dares to make a peep about whether increasingly draconian measure to combat child pornography are *actually effective* and make the vulnerable in society safer. The attack adds would virtually write themselves, so Canada wanders down the path toward a lynch mob mentality whenever sex crimes are involved. Nobody, but NOBODY has the guts to ask "will these measures work"? No - just let police do whatever surveillance they want, and use a rubber hose on suspects, because ya know "there are pedophiles out there".
Not to mention Islamic terrorists, and all that.
These fascists will dominate Canada for another generation at least.
Stand by for enormous increases in warrantless surveillance by cops in Canada. Stand by for decades of whittled-down Charter protection in the case of unreasonable search and seizure, assault by the police, coercion of those arrested or charged, and all kinds of horrors.