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Canadian Library to Loan Out People

Wouldn't it be easier to learn Chinese from a native speaker than from a book, or explore a religion from an actual practitioner rather than words on a page? A library in Surrey, B.C. thinks so and has introduced a "human library" program. Visitors will be able to "check-out" real people to learn about their experiences and specific knowledge. From the article: "...The goal is to break down stereotypes and start discussions, said deputy chief librarian Melanie Houlden. 'What we're aiming to do is bring the library to life for people. There are huge repositories of experience and knowledge in their own brains,' she said." As long as you stay out of the horror section, this sounds like a great idea.

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  1. Sustainable by Talderas · · Score: 0

    How can this idea even be sustainable? You're going to find a sufficient number of people willing to give up their time to do these things for complete strangers with no guarantee of compensation?

    It is a library, right? Free to join, no cost to check out? Where are the revenues going to come from?

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    1. Re:Sustainable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How can this idea even be sustainable? You're going to find a sufficient number of people willing to give up their time to do these things for complete strangers with no guarantee of compensation?

      It is a library, right? Free to join, no cost to check out? Where are the revenues going to come from?

      Yeah. Also, open-source software is never going to catch on for the same reasons...

    2. Re:Sustainable by Rehnberg · · Score: 2

      How can this idea even be sustainable? You're going to find a sufficient number of people willing to give up their time to do these things for complete strangers with no guarantee of compensation?

      The same way that Wikipedia is sustainable (at least so far). As long as volunteers get to choose how much time they give, I can see the system being fairly sustainable over a significant time period, at least in general.

      It is a library, right? Free to join, no cost to check out? Where are the revenues going to come from?

      Again, money might not be an issue here. Yes, it will cost something (but probably not all that much), but since it's a library (aka non-profit), donations could always be *highly suggested*

    3. Re:Sustainable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Libraries buy books and pay their staff. Presumably the revenue comes from whatever grants or other funding sources the library would use for those existing expenses.

    4. Re:Sustainable by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 2

      It's a volunteer program (and a PR stunt.) TFA: "People with various personal experiences have already agreed to volunteer, she said."

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    5. Re:Sustainable by Rehnberg · · Score: 1

      If only I had the mod points to give you...

    6. Re:Sustainable by hedwards · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Unlike open source software where one can write the code once, or write a portion of the code once, and have it used many times, you need somebody that's going to be there providing every single moment of the loan period. Granted the periods of time aren't going to be the same as for books, but you'd still need somebody to provide every hour of loan.

      Additionally, with OSS you get an ecosystem that can survive past the point where people contribute to it, if in a stunted form whereas the moment people stop volunteering to be loaned out the project comes to a screeching halt.

    7. Re:Sustainable by hackertourist · · Score: 2

      Volunteers do this sort of thing without compensation all the time. Language lessons, tax form assistance, house work, odd jobs, you name it. The interesting bit about this story is that it's the library doing the coordination, rather than individual, smaller (possibly less well-known) organizations (churches, community programs, what have you).

    8. Re:Sustainable by jbell730 · · Score: 1

      Ah, where are my mod points?

    9. Re:Sustainable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There are plenty of people who love to talk about their experiences and would be happy to get only human company in return. Elderly people spring to mind first, but surely there are many more.

      Also, it seems not at all unlikely that there might be a dialogue rather than a one-way flow of information. The experience might be intellectually rewarding for both sides.

    10. Re:Sustainable by arth1 · · Score: 2

      The same way that Wikipedia is sustainable (at least so far). As long as volunteers get to choose how much time they give, I can see the system being fairly sustainable over a significant time period, at least in general.

      Unlike Wikipedia and books, a person can't be duplicated and perused by thousands at the same time. This is more like a museum lending out unique pieces, hoping that the public will treat them well.

      This is doomed. When starting a project, always take human nature into account, and remember that human nature is always worse than you believe.

    11. Re:Sustainable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plenty of bored people out there with time to kill. Consider all the old people, all the bloggers, facebook zombies, etc. If someone wants to check them out to chit chat about their area of expertise, or to get up to speed on language, that doesn't seem too outlandish.

    12. Re:Sustainable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Oh of course not. Things like PHP and Apache will never catch on.......right? =P

    13. Re:Sustainable by CyborgWarrior · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Are you kidding me? I love the idea of this program!! I have done some fairly interesting things in my life and if there was some sort of library nearby me where I could register to talk about it with anyone interested, I would put at least a few hours a week into it. You get to meet people who are interested in something you know about and want you to talk about it, it just sounds like a social blast to me.

      Maybe this is missing its point on slashdot because of the whole "social" part of it.....?

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    14. Re:Sustainable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Libraries get most of their funding through government sponsorship and corporate donations. It's not really a 'revenue' this per se, more of a municipal service, like public parks. I'd assume that the people being 'rented out' are likely retirees and such, who do it more or less for something to do, or educated people who wish to pad thier resumes with some volunteer work. Either way, I'm interested in this idea. It's novel and I'd like to see how it pans out on it's own merits.

    15. Re:Sustainable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This might be new to you but there is a lot of people out there who don't really care much about money and they are not even communists.
      Money by itself is probably the most useless object on earth, the only reason people want it is because they can trade it for something else.
      Do you really find it so hard to beleive that a person who is very enthusiastic about a subject will be willing to teach others about this subject without some kind of compensation? If so I suggest that you get out more because there are plenty of people out there who thinks that it is rewarding enough that others take an interest in their favourite subject.

  2. I need to bone up on my anatomy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Female anatomy, that is.

    1. Re:I need to bone up on my anatomy. by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Your middle school called. They said you need to repeat 7th grade.

      Again.

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    2. Re:I need to bone up on my anatomy. by filthpickle · · Score: 2

      Hehe, I do too apparently. Because right after thinking that this does seem like a good idea...that's right where I went as well.

    3. Re:I need to bone up on my anatomy. by lexsird · · Score: 1

      Me three! I was scanning down to find a like minded thread before I started my own. It's already formed, can I have a name tag and some cake? I will hand out the punch, and I brought chips.

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  3. Science Fiction Department by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Science Fiction department should be blast!!

  4. Sounds promising... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think I'll check someone out under the "sex ed" category.

    1. Re:Sounds promising... by strateego · · Score: 1

      You've better get ready to bone up on your STDs because everything else in that section has been checked out and "lost."

  5. One question by Baloroth · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Only one question: can I "check out" hot girls?

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    1. Re:One question by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

      Only one question: can I "check out" hot girls?

      No, but you can still do it the way you've always done it: through their bedroom windows with a pair of binoculars.

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    2. Re:One question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No touching, but at least you can now show people your canadian girl friend is real.

    3. Re:One question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently the human library in Copenhagen lends out mostly girls: https://picasaweb.google.com/105402869618691658819/HumanLibraryAtCityHallCopenhagen

    4. Re:One question by mmmmbeer · · Score: 1

      No, but you can learn about STDs from a real live hooker. Hands-on experience costs extra.

    5. Re:One question by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

      they're all making fuck off signs in one of those pictures.

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    6. Re:One question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anthropology just got interesting :D
      Sign me up.

  6. Hm. by JustAnotherIdiot · · Score: 1

    The concept is interesting, but I don't think it would work all that well in execution.

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  7. could not resist by lecheiron · · Score: 1

    can i check her out for overnight?

  8. Nice idea. by grub · · Score: 3


    "I'd like to read up on Creationism and Chiropractic, please."

    "Certainly, you can borrow Canada's Minister of Science and Technology, Gary Goodyear."

    (I shit you not, this is the case. Sad.)

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    1. Re:Nice idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wow, and I thought Canada was cool...

    2. Re:Nice idea. by MozeeToby · · Score: 2

      Chiropractics is really two fields pretending to be one. On the one side, you have well educated people who are frequently also medical doctors using a range of physical therapy methods to improve back and spinal health. Still concerning in that they tend to see a large number of issues stemming from the spine but they at least try to be analytical and evidence based. On the other side you have people that believe that literally every human ailment is caused by spinal disorders, from a sore back to cancer to AIDS. Goodyear appears to have attended a 4 year university which teaches the former, so I personally don't see that as reason enough to vilify him.

      His complete and utter lack of understanding when it comes to the very basics of evolution (though he does at least claim to believe it even if he clearly doesn't understand the concept) is much more concerning for a man in his position.

    3. Re:Nice idea. by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      They do have a conservative government right now...

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  9. What about xxx by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want to learn everything about KamaSutra. Please, give all the girls with deep (lol) experience in the area....i mean books.....girls.....books.....

    1. Re:What about xxx by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You want first edition?

  10. How much is the fine? by bareman · · Score: 2

    When I fail to return them?

    1. Re:How much is the fine? by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      How much is the fine when I fail to return them?

      You become a ward of the library.

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    2. Re:How much is the fine? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I usually find the people I checked out of the library in a corner under my bed, gathering dust.

    3. Re:How much is the fine? by NatasRevol · · Score: 2

      3 meals a day.

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    4. Re:How much is the fine? by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      How do you think they get new "volunteers"?

      I do wonder what their fees are if you return any in damaged condition though.

      In all seriousness, I'd guess the Human Resource section is much like the Reference section -- in-library use only.

    5. Re:How much is the fine? by tchdab1 · · Score: 1

      They return themselves.

  11. Had to do this in college by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As part of my linguistics program I had to 'reserve' a paid volunteer and document his or her language -- in my case, Mongolian. You find out so much more when you're face-to-face with a native speaker: colloquialisms, slang, formality, etiquette... Code-switching. It's absolutely incomparable to traditional learning-by-rote that you get from books/software.

    1. Re:Had to do this in college by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 1

      There used to be a site out on the internets that connected people from different countries that want to learn foreign through videochat so they could learn by chatting with native speakers. I forget what it's called. Not really suited for shy though.

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    2. Re:Had to do this in college by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CHATROULETTE?

  12. In Soviet Canuckistan by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    Book checks out you!

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    1. Re:In Soviet Canuckistan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you could make a movie about literate zombies. That would be great.

  13. not a new concept by prograde · · Score: 1

    This kind of idea has been around for ages, for example: the University of Guelph's Living Library.

  14. Cooking by glittermage · · Score: 1

    What about cooking lessons?

  15. A good idea by k_187 · · Score: 2

    Yeah, its like they could get people to write down their life lessons and experiences, and then bind those pages together and loan out the bound pages. We could call them bopages or something catchy and hook the kids.

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  16. I already do this by cervesaebraciator · · Score: 1

    I teach at a university. Students who pay user fees, called tuition, check me out for a whole semester. Not only can I share my "repositories of experience and knowledge" by teaching, but I also have additional features like writing letters of recommendation. As an added bonus, students who check me out the entire semester, rather than putting me in the "drop" box, and follow my directions carefully, can earn credit toward a degree.

  17. Loan out Chinese people? by bhcompy · · Score: 1

    That's waisis.

  18. Miss Grammar Sez: by backspaces · · Score: 1

    Lend, dammit!

  19. Sure, as long as Amy Pond is available... by digitalhermit · · Score: 1

    Amy Pond is in the library. Amy Pond has been saved.

    I'm checking her out.

    1. Re:Sure, as long as Amy Pond is available... by RobertLTux · · Score: 2

      sorry Amy Pond is already checked out would you like Donna Noble instead??

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  20. I'd like a Blond, F, 25 yrs, and 38/24/36 please. by gearloos · · Score: 1

    I'd like a Blond, 25 and 38/24/36 please. I'll have her back next week. Thanks-

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  21. Perverts at the library now take their Pr0n home by amartire · · Score: 1

    I can see it now.. PERVERT: Excuse me miss, can you please point me to the kamasutra section... LIBRARIAN: Down 12 isle to the left. That section is a bit busy today, the end of the line is at isle 4. PERVERT: Ok, how about lusty romance? LIBRARIAN:: Isle 6, end of the line is at isle 5. PERVERT: Thanks! Oh and can you recommend any good books to read while I wait?

  22. it's already been done by muszek · · Score: 2

    I've read about it being done in a few cities in Poland. It's more of an art happening then a practical thing. The "exposition" is made of members of different kind of minorities (one Jew, one atheist, one gay person, etc.) who you can "borrow" and talk to. Neat idea and of course it's been protested by homophobic morons.

    The project is called ywa Biblioteka (alive library) - http://www.zywabiblioteka.pl/ .

    1. Re:it's already been done by Vegan+Cyclist · · Score: 1

      Yep, it's been done all over and is a pretty cool idea.

      I participated in a 'Human Library' here in Victoria, BC at UVic, as 'A Victoria Vegan'. I was 'signed-out' for 30min sessions, and chatted with people about veganism, dispelling myths, etc.. It was pretty fun, and it was a good way for people to find out more about other subjects. Other 'books' were a visiting/exchange Czech, someone who is narcoleptic, people with mixed-heritage (usually ones that would conflict!) parents, someone who practice polyamory, etc.

      It really is a very open and appealing way to learn about other subjects, even more so if one is hostile to the 'subject', given it's a real person you're dealing with one-on-one - AND they want to be there to speak about it.

      If you see this in your area, do check it out. Or better yet, start up a little project. It was a two-day affair here, i offered to be 'available' for 4hrs for both days. There was a 2hr session prior, to explain what it was, and practice being a 'book'. It's not as cheesy as the write-up makes it sound, and you wouldn't be able to 'learn Chinese', as the OP suggests...a poor write-up. Typical sign-out is 30-60mins, and you stay in the library.

  23. I'd like ... by PPH · · Score: 1

    .... Jessica Lucas. Never mind the late fees.

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  24. Fiction? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If I register as a fundamentalist Christian that's politically progressive and believes in evolution, will they stick me in the fiction section? Or maybe they'll be generous and put me in European history.

  25. Re:I'd like a Blond, F, 25 yrs, and 38/24/36 pleas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're getting it all wrong. You'll be getting Ms Komsolosski (F, 57yrs, 273/149/240) and she will explain to you everything you aim to know. And if she's in a good mood, which she is on seldom occasions, she may provide you with a few tips on how to get to that blonde.

  26. awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want to borrow a sexy milf with a hairless honeypot to pop my man-cherry.

  27. I am so in!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can I check out a nymphomaniac?

  28. No by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

    "or explore a religion from an actual practitioner"

    Absolutely not.

    In the case of religion every practitioner has radically different views of what there religion is and they almost all have warped views of the history of there religion.
    Almost all book on a religion will give you far more facts about it then any of its practitioners.

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    1. Re:No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please learn to spell - reading your post hurt my brain

    2. Re:No by Mayhem178 · · Score: 1

      In the case of [topic] every practitioner has radically different views of what there [topic] is and they almost all have warped views of the history of there [topic]. Almost all book on a [topic] will give you far more facts about it then any of its practitioners.

      Now that I've quelled your anti-religious rant...

      As it turns out, if you RTFA, the purpose of the program is to discuss individual experiences and get perspectives. Nothing in the article says anything about obtaining facts. If you want facts, you should stick to books.

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    3. Re:No by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      Sure, but it makes perfect sense to get a actual person to teach them their language.
      Sure everyone speaks a little different but it is normally close enough to understand.
      And it makes sense to learn physics from a physicists, but a practitioner of a religion is unique in that going to one of them for knowledge of the religion is a very bad idea.

      So no your "[topic]" is ridiculous and really only applies to religions, cults, and maybe a few other things that depend on some sort of brainwashing or evoke a huge emotional attraction with the person in question.
      And I would not consider this a anti-religious rant, and that there is not a single thing here that worded slightly nicer I could not even get a practitioner of a religion to agree with.

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    4. Re:No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Books, the authoritative source on factual information.

  29. Abuse by eugene+ts+wong · · Score: 1

    I could see so much room for abuse. Many people would talk about what it's like to be somebody else.

    A: "So, what's it like to be a Liberal?"
    B: "Well, we're emotional, logical, intelligent, caring, financially sound, down to earth, loving...pretty much everything that Conservatives are not."

    1. Re:Abuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I could see so much room for abuse. Many people would talk about what it's like to be somebody else.

      A: "So, what's it like to be a Liberal?"
      B: "Well, we're emotional, logical, intelligent, caring, financially sound, down to earth, loving...pretty much everything that Conservatives are not."

      So Canadian Liberals are the opposite of American Liberals?

    2. Re:Abuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, they both lie.

    3. Re:Abuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good thing you couldn't do that with a book then...

      Of course, you could argue that one is less likely to write a book filled with blatant lies and would not let things thought of in the heat of the moment get into print -- especially when their name is on the cover. Still, people should treat words, written or spoken, with a certain level of suspicion.

  30. Ivan Illich by McGiraf · · Score: 1

    That reminds me a book I read

    Deschooling Society by Ivan Illich.

  31. This idea wins! by jprupp · · Score: 1

    ...the stupidest idea ever published on Slashdot.

  32. Teachers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is this not like hiring a teacher for something?

  33. Borrowing? by diodeus · · Score: 1

    Isn't this already called "tutoring"?

  34. surplus population by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you forget, the chinese government has been actively exporting its surplus population.

  35. Otherwise known as real life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have always been able to "explore a religion from an actual practitioner rather than words on a page." Just go to church.
    It's a bit tougher if you want to explore Judaism and there is no local synagog. But the Mormons have always been willing to "loan out" not just one, but two missionaries for your curiosity. Jehova's Witnesses will also loan you out some "actual practitioners." As for Chinese lessons, try WOW.

    How sad is it that people think real life can only be experienced through books. Books are great. But sometimes it helps to put the book down, walk outside, and say hello to your neighbor. Who knows, they might speak Chinese or practice a religion.

  36. Old. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This happens every so often here in sweden.

  37. Sounds similar by Stubot · · Score: 1

    To my business model which is to say that if someone was new to my city and was a lone and needed a guide then I would have one of my friends be their friend for a certain length of time and show them the sights and just be a real good friend in general. Of course since this is a business I would need to charge them a certain base amount based on various factors. My business model is serving me quite well actually.

  38. 75 commments... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ...And not one reference to Head Museums from Futurama?

    Slashdot, I am disappoint.

  39. needed this in middle school... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I was learning about the human reproductive system.

  40. Free hookers? by morethanapapercert · · Score: 1

    I can just imagine some horny teenage male going to the library to check out a sex worker in order to "for an extra credit assignment in sex ed class"

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    1. Re:Free hookers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Assuming they have any, I doubt they'll do anything more than talk for free.

  41. Protector by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Didn't Phssthpok have access to other Protectors at the Library? Thanks Larry Niven!

    1. Re:Protector by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but Brennan kicked his ass once Phssthpok showed up at Sol. I would change to a protector this very fucking instant if given the chance.

  42. adding value to the library by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This has been done at ALA (American Library Association) conferences for a little while now. The focus is a little different - learning about someone different from yourself and how they experience the world (and learning about your own assumptions and prejudices in the process). But this is really cool that it's being implemented on a larger scale in a library (libraries, from the other comments), and I like that it adds value to the experience of a library at a time when there's a lot of assumptions that Google and the Internet can replace what librarians do.

    (from a librarian in training)

  43. File me under... by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    Sexual Education!

  44. right... by Anarchduke · · Score: 1

    Wheres the porn section...

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  45. What a bad idea by davidannis · · Score: 1

    The library's book collection is selected with care. Who will curate the collection of people? Nobody. Hence, it will be filled with self serving people looking for business leads from investment advisers to divorce lawyers and people who have little expertise but are convinced they know a lot about something. Can you imagine the uproar the first time a librarian tells someone that they are not qualified to discuss some subject?

  46. Shades of Ray Bradbury by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 1

    Fahrenheit 451's people who memorized books and related them orally thereafter. And now we have come full circle from ancient times when story tradition was aural. I'm going to build fires and gather people around and recite, from memory, Linux documentation.

  47. Wow! News hits slashdot only 11 years late by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1

    Hmm, this has been reported several times previously, starting around 11 years ago ..

    http://humanlibrary.org/press-archive.html

    OK, only 3 years after USA Today (and NY Times) got to it:

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-10-17-1940310534_x.htm

    Pretty soon slashdot will be the place to go for news for nerds and stuff that matters. Oh, wait.

  48. What if I am a 45 year olds white man? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What if I am a 45 year olds white man ?
    Can I still check out the teen and college romance sections?