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When Algorithms Control the World

MTCicero writes "The BBC has an interesting if not apocalyptic take on the spread of algorithms into everyday life. Perhaps the author should have spent a little more time discussing how algorithms in everyday life have improved things like communications, medical care, etc... I guess doom and gloom sells more ads. From the article: 'At last month's TEDGlobal conference, algorithm expert Kevin Slavin delivered one of the tech show's most "sit up and take notice" speeches where he warned that the "maths that computers use to decide stuff" was infiltrating every aspect of our lives. Among the examples he cited were a robo-cleaner that maps out the best way to do housework, and the online trading algorithms that are increasingly controlling Wall Street.'"

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  1. How do you get that job? by Toonol · · Score: 4, Funny

    algorithm expert Kevin Slavin

    Algorithm expert? Is he an official algorithm expert? Credentialed in all forms of algorithm?

    I suspect it is as much a self-appointed moniker as 'Bill S Preston, Esquire.'

    1. Re:How do you get that job? by emurphy42 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Here's some more explanation from TED and from his own current company..

  2. Hmmm by h4x0t · · Score: 3, Informative

    It would seem to me that physical principles govern the world in which we live. All of which can me shown mathematically.
    Some goofy apes using maths to run their roomba or make money isn't exactly mind blowing of frightening.
    But then again i'm not the target audience of this story.

  3. All Hail The First Global Algorithm !!! by LifesABeach · · Score: 2

    Spring, Summer, Fall, and Winter.

    1. Re:All Hail The First Global Algorithm !!! by jd · · Score: 2

      According to the etymology dictionary, the first one was Vrueje, Sem, Fogamar and Wentruz. However, these only remained in use until the replacement of PL/Earth.

      --
      It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
    2. Re:All Hail The First Global Algorithm !!! by jeffrey.endres · · Score: 2

      Well australian aborigines with a history of at least 40,000 years have 5 or 6 seasons http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_Australian_seasons

  4. Roomba? Not Infiltrating Anything! by rwv · · Score: 2

    a robo-cleaner that maps out the best way to do housework

    My Roomba is certainly not going to be taking over anytime soon. It drives around in a semi-autonomous pattern within a manually defined perimeter and has enough sense not to fall down a set of stairs. My house is big enough and the "virtual walls" are shitty enough that I close doors and throw couch cushions on the floor to regulate where Roomba gets to clean.

    Roomba is a tool in very much the same way a vacuum, broom, or paper towel is a tool. I choose to use Roomba not because it is particularly good at cleaning (it isn't) but because I take 4-5 minutes clearing wires off the floor and setting up Roomba's boundaries and then it spend 90-100 minutes driving in circles, then I spend another few minutes cleaning it's brushes and dustbin. This is more desirable than having me spend 20-25 minutes operating an actual vacuum (which I don't actually own... so first I'd have to go buy one).

  5. My son has been using Algorithm for 6 months by kotku · · Score: 2

    I've tried introducing him to girls, guns and even light pornography, but he just doesn't maintain interest.

    What should I do?

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    Concerned Mother!

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    The bikini - security through obscurity since 1943
    1. Re:My son has been using Algorithm for 6 months by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe you should leave the room when he's about to watch porn.

  6. CS undergrad word grab aside... by oblio_one · · Score: 2

    "Algorithms" (the word the author uses to mean machine controlled decision making) are just an available tool, like all tools there are examples of positive influence and examples of negative influence (the 3 incidents the author's highlight.) Like all tools people with free will choose to use it if they see the benefit. They don't come out and state "we should stop technological advancement b/c there is some risk," but that would be the natural conclusion of this line of thinking, which frankly is ridiculous. not seeing the point of the whole article.

  7. Greatest algorithms of all time by jmcbain · · Score: 5, Informative

    I really don't see what the problem is. Algorithms are all around controlling everything we do. Like any technology, it is how they are used by humans that determine if their use is good or bad.

    Look at the list of the greatest algorithms in history, as selected by SIAM (Society of Industrial and Applied Math) in 2000. Our lives would be completely different and worse without them.

    • Monte Carlo method
    • Linear programming solutions via the Simplex method
    • Krylov subspace iteration methods
    • Decomposition approach to matrix computations
    • Compiler optimization for FORTRAN
    • QR algorithm for computing eigenvalues
    • Quicksort
    • FFT
    • Integer relation detection
    • Fast multipole

    Since this paper was written in 2000, I would guess that the Google founders' PageRank should be included in there as well.

    1. Re:Greatest algorithms of all time by Anachragnome · · Score: 2

      "Look at the list of the greatest algorithms in history [siam.org], as selected by SIAM (Society of Industrial and Applied Math) in 2000. Our lives would be completely different and worse without them."

      I always get that list confused with this one...

      http://kcbx.net/~tellswor/algorism.htm

    2. Re:Greatest algorithms of all time by jbeaupre · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I would like to nominate one additional algorithm to the list. Very simple, but effective (though not foolproof). The Taste Algorithm. It goes like this:

      If it tastes bad, spit it out.
      If it tastes good, eat more.

      It was invented by great grandpappy Eukaryote. And it's served our family well all these many generations.

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      The world is made by those who show up for the job.
  8. Move along folks. Left foot, right foot, left ... by LordNacho · · Score: 2

    See what I did there?

    Anyway, seriously, the article conflates automation with algorithm. Sure, when we have computers, we can create more automated schemes. But we've been doing algorithms from long before we had computers.

  9. Little Known Fact by jjeffries · · Score: 4, Informative

    Algorithms, in general, were invented by Al Gore. Being a humble public servant, instead of naming his invention directly after himself, he instead spent his valuable time developing the very word "algorithms", a portmanteau of the words "Al Gore Rhythms".

    Don't be misinformed.

  10. Re:Roomba? Not Infiltrating Anything! by icebraining · · Score: 2

    The talk isn't about Skyne. It's about all those small, simple algorithms that slowly have taken important positions in our lives.

    The algorithms running on Wall Street are just tools too - they aren't going to turn themselves into HAL and decide to kill humans. But they affect our lives immensely.

  11. Re:He's late to the party by DigiShaman · · Score: 2

    Life is an algorithm that's not isolated from the rest of the universe I might add. The algorithms we employ often have layers of error correction to prevent mutation. Sometimes, a little chaos (bridging the outside) is necessary to improve on an algorithm. But being Human, we like to maintain control and not let nature meddle with the results we wish to achieve. Of course, that's not such a bad thing either depending on the objective.

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    Life is not for the lazy.
  12. Re:I guess doom and gloom sells more ads by Stormthirst · · Score: 2

    I'm not sure which is worse - sensationalism to create money through advertising, or for the sake of it.

  13. Control the chef, control the world... by jaitropmange · · Score: 2

    World changing algorithms:
      chocolate chip cookie by Toll House
      potato salad by Betty Crocker
      Quicksort

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    But I AM a troll you insensitive clod!
  14. Re:I guess doom and gloom sells more ads by Olivier+Galibert · · Score: 2

    The first Ariane 5 exploded on launch because a feedback mechanism for guidance had a sign swapped, again creating positive feedback.

    That's incorrect. The first ariane 5 exploded because of correct, reused ariane 4 code becoming incorrect in the new environment. More specifically steering code which results are used at the start of the flight and unused but left running afterwards. The code was still correct in start-of-flight conditions, but in the afterwards condition noticed speeds way over what it was supposed to see and triggered a security abort (ariane 5 is a tad faster than ariane 4).

    So no sign errors, no feedback, just correct code running at a time it shouldn't have and untested there.

        OG.

  15. Re:He's late to the party by andsens · · Score: 2

    hmpf.... friggin side effects. Functional programming ftw!

  16. Re:Yes, it's true, algorithms control me! by jamiesan · · Score: 2

    Mine said "Signs point to Yes", but I still didn't.