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US Gov't Lobbied EU To Approve Oracle-Sun Merger

littlekorea writes "Cables leaked by Wikileaks have revealed that the U.S. Government actively pressured the EU Competition Commissioner to approve Oracle's acquisition of Sun Microsystems. The cable reveals that the U.S. went to great lengths to discover how the competition commissioner felt about the 'pro-competitive' nature of open source software and whether this would represent a threat to the US$7.4 billion deal."

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  1. It's only right! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why should the EU decide this on their own? It's better that the Worlds Remaining Superpower (tm) be there to ensure they make the right decision. And it's Oracle. What could possibly go wrong?

    1. Re:It's only right! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      US Government has also decided that MS Windows monopoly is good (for US). It does not matter if technical development is halted by the monopoly as long as it brings taxes to US.
      And US was the "market economy" which has grown from competitive freedom of markets. Well, if you control whole world, why bother to care about free markets and competition.

    2. Re:It's only right! by FriendlyLurker · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It is when the US Gov forces Genetically Modified food down everyone's throat, often in the face of overwhelming democratic opposition to them - even in some cases the political elite objecting (See this India cable: "Very serious fears [...] of Monsanto controlling our food chain"), that things start to get really questionable.

    3. Re:It's only right! by Z00L00K · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "The Worlds Remaining Superpower" is now an oxymoron. The US may have a lot of military personnel but it's a very sick country on the verge of collapse.

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    4. Re:It's only right! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's better that the Worlds Remaining Superpower (tm) be there to ensure they make the right decision.

      I don't think it's reasonable to expect China to handle everything.

    5. Re:It's only right! by YeeHaW_Jelte · · Score: 2

      Yeah, because putting pressure on Neelie Smit-Kroes proved sooo usefull in the Microsoft anti-trust case e.g.

      Due to internal politics in the EU she's no longer Competition Commissioner, but believe me, pressurizing her does not work well.

      She has really done a wealth of good for competition and the free market in Europe and has dealt with the largest and meanest corporations and governments without budging one inch.

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    6. Re:It's only right! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe so. But we're big enough to drag the rest of the world down with us!
      Or use our massive military to just take what we want. Or need.

      Say.... i think you might have some W.M.D's. And oil. You need some freedom too. Don't worry. We'll save you!

    7. Re:It's only right! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why shouldn't the US Government have an interest in a third parties decision affecting two large US companies?

      The problem is not that the US Government has an interest. The problem is they are encouraging the wrong side of the argument.

      The fact that anti-trust laws are being ignored at this level is the best example that our government has been completely co-opted by corporate interests. We are no longer a country for the people. Now we are a country for the corporations.

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    8. Re:It's only right! by rednip · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While there is always a segment of the American population who believes 'that the end is right around the corner', if only for religious beliefs, it always seems that there are many more of them after a economic crisis. We're Americans, we always get though it, yet, even after 8 strait quarters of admittedly weak GDP growth, but growth none the less, many are still beating the drums of crisis.

      Maybe for you the American dream is over, but for most of us it's chugging along.

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    9. Re:It's only right! by jedidiah · · Score: 3, Informative

      Nonsense. This is an utter falsehood. Sun and Oracle's markets were by no stretch of the imagination "non overlapping".

      You had the problems of excessive vertical integration as well as one direct rival swallowing another. This deal undermined the level of useful diversity in both the enterprise operating systems and RDBMS space. It also impacted a large number of other software projects and led to patent issues. It directly led to collateral damage in a seemingly unrelated market with patent litigation over Java.

      The Sun-Oracle deal was nothing but anti-trust issues.

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    10. Re:It's only right! by SomeKDEUser · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But on the other hand, they are working hard on the latter. With this difference that Somali communication infrastructure will still be better.

      The difference between a first and a third world nation is not the average income, that changes quickly. It is the infrastructure: road, rail sanitation, power, communication. But also the bureaucracy and the education of the population.

      People who want no/small government are exactly asking for third world infrastructure.

    11. Re:It's only right! by TheSpoom · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes, because Oracle DB is completely different from MySQL, Oracle Linux is completely different from Solaris, and they have no competition between them whatsoever. Yup.

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    12. Re:It's only right! by Kagetsuki · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You don't know how true that is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BTRON

      From the link: "The Japanese government planned to introduce the Matsushita PC in its schools, but the United States government objected, claiming that the plan constituted market intervention and threatened Japan with sanctions (partly at the request of Microsoft)."

      I've seen a BTRON machine and it was impressive, easily better than Windows of the era. It should be noted that BTRON was an open OS and was developed by a group of companies who had a mutually vested interest. It lives on however as iTRON, which is the OS in things like car control systems, washing machine fuzzy logic controllers, refrigerators, TV's, cell phones etc. Next time you pop open something and find a chip with "Renesas" printed on it you can probably assume it's got iTRON on it.

  2. It's not that serious, really by F69631 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Lobbying isn't that bad. USA officials had arrived to one conclusion, felt that the issue was very important to them and communicated that to EU officials. Regular co-operative communication between officials of two political bodies. If EU officials then arrived to a result which (considering all things, including any political capital gained or lost) was bad for us as EU citizens, then our own officials are to blame. Personally, I don't think that they did and there is nothing in TFA that implies otherwise.

    In other words, the cables show that EU and USA officials of corresponding organizations actually communicate with each other when handling international issues. Nothing to see here.

    1. Re:It's not that serious, really by AlecC · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I agree - except that it should not have come out via Wikileaks. The US is entitled to lobby on behalf of two large US corporations which have decided to merge. But is should do so in the open - as should all lobbyists.

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    2. Re:It's not that serious, really by Hatta · · Score: 2

      The problem is that it's a conflict of interest for the US to both regulate and advocate for a corporation.

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  3. Re:The weird thing. by Xest · · Score: 4, Informative

    Because they wish to do business in the EU, you know, the biggest economy in the world.

    Europe's opinion matters because not being able to do business in such a large economy would make it pointless to procede with the takeover anyway as they'd have been better off not taking over Sun and keeping their EU business than taking over Sun and being ineligible to do business in the EU.

    It's worth pointing out it's a two way street too. BAE, a British defence firm, bribed Saudi officials to get an aircraft deal, but despite them being a British company and the deal being with Saudi Arabia and hence having nothing to do with the US, the US still fined the company and BAE accepted and paid the fine because it'd rather continue to be able to do business in the US, with by far the largest military expenditure in the world, than not pay the fine and not be able to do business in the US.

    This is the thing with an increasingly globalised world, companies are responsible for their actions wherever they do business, not just where they were founded or are headquartered- if you want to take European money, you need to play by European rules.

  4. Re:Governments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think you mean:

    By some people, for themselves and their buddies.

  5. Re:Good by EasyTarget · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "What is the EU going to do if they merge in the US, prevent the new merged company from doing any business in the EU?"

    DOH! Yes; Precisely that.

    Isolationism does not just mean saying 'Fuck You' to your neighbors; It also means they shrug and say 'Fuck You Too' right back.

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  6. "Pressured" is a strong word... by sirwired · · Score: 3, Informative

    This sort of thing is exactly what diplomats do. They lobby other countries to take actions perceived as favorable for their own country. There is no evidence here of threats, extortion, or arm twisting. Just diplomacy.

    Nothing to see here, move along.

  7. Rome by mfh · · Score: 3, Funny

    What America needs now is an old dude to assume the role of high church office so that America can officially become a religious state. They can then live off the proceeds offered by the superstitious tourists.

    I mean when you have a great Empire that implodes on itself after having succumbed to military spending insanity, what's left to do when everything goes to shit?

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  8. Bad choice of words. by Tei · · Score: 2

    Lobbying is a type of corruption. It can be legal in USA, but is a type of corruption that is not legal everywhere.

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  9. Re:Oh the scandal! by DrXym · · Score: 2

    I think Wikileaks would be out to screw China too if they laid their hands on as many classified documents. Of course China would probably take the Russian approach to such disclosures and murder some people to make a point.

  10. Re:Good by MartinSchou · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well, Oracle is of course allowed to stop doing business in the EU if they do not like the rules there.

    It might make some people (like you) and even some of their shareholders happy. But allow me to show you some numbers.

    Oracle's fiscal 2011 income:
    Total income: 35,622 million dollars
    Americas (North and South): 18,352 million dollars
    Europe, Middle East & Africa: 11,497 million dollars

    Realistically most of the EMEA income is from the EU, just like most of the Americas income is from the US.

    What you're suggesting is that they dump 32% of their revenue from day to day.

    Some of that will be offset by laying off 22,394 employees in the EMEA, but that only makes up 20% of their total number of employees. Compare that to the 45,887 employees in the Americas.

    The EMEA is a more profitable area for Oracle than the Americas from a pure income/employee point of view (514,000 vs 400,000 dollars)

    But if we ignore the financial consequences, the competitive consequences of giving your main rivals 11 billion dollars a year and the sheer idiocy of believing that you shouldn't have to live up to the rules of the countries you operate in, then yeah - you have a really good idea there.

    Go for it - I'm sure you'll have a lot of success at Oracle's next shareholders meeting.

  11. Re:Oh the scandal! by shentino · · Score: 2

    It isn't so much what Wikileaks has to say, but the fact that Wikileaks has to be the one that says it.