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Akamai Employee Tried To Sell Secrets To Israel

CWmike writes "A 43-year-old former Akamai employee has pleaded guilty to espionage charges after offering to hand over confidential information about the Web acceleration company to an agent posing as an Israeli consular official in Boston. Starting in September 2007, Elliot Doxer played an elaborate 18-month-long game of cloak-and-dagger with James Cromer, a man he thought was an Israeli intelligence officer. He handed over pages and pages of confidential data to Cromer, providing a list of Akamai's clients and contracts, information about the company's security practices, and even a list of 1,300 Akamai employees, including mobile numbers, departments and e-mail addresses. Doxer delivered the information to a dead drop box 62 times. His motivation: To help Israel and to get information on his son and estranged wife, who lived outside the U.S., prosecutors said in court filings. Doxer faces 15 years in prison on the charges."

172 comments

  1. Well I guess that Doxer by know1 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Just got doxed.

    1. Re:Well I guess that Doxer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Where's the YEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAH? There was supposed to be an earth-shattering YEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAH.

    2. Re:Well I guess that Doxer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, it is all in the surname. If it was Dreyfus or Dolinsky, or Ditzah, the government would have cooperated. But a Doxer? He'll have to be careful with the soap.

    3. Re:Well I guess that Doxer by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

      LET ME GET THIS OUT OF THE WAY:

      "Anti-Semitic", "Anti-Semitic", "Anti-Social", "Anti-Semitic", "Paranoid", "Anti-Semitic", "Go back to your Area 54 ideas", "Anti-Semitic", "Do we have a Godwin?"

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  2. Tumbled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    1) Find a an exploitable employee
    2) Seduce them with hopes of seeing their child again this century
    3) Collect incriminating evidence
    4) Profit!

    They'd be hard pressed to get a conviction out of me if they set this guy up. If he instigated this then I'll still be disinclined to convict as they could have smacked him down and gotten a felony.

    So this wasteful agent spent how much time and how many millions of dollars building up this whoop de do case? Maybe they could have nailed the guy with the simple felony, got a plea, destroyed their career saved us some tax dollars to be used hunting real criminals and not distraught fathers.

    1. Re:Tumbled by Jurramonga · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Seems it would have been easier (and cheaper) to just help the guy get some information on his family. Less likely to get you a promotion, I suppose...

    2. Re:Tumbled by SniperJoe · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't that be the definition of entrapment?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrapment

      We also don't know the details of exactly how the offer was made. Of course, not that it matters now, as he's pleaded guilty.

    3. Re:Tumbled by Meshach · · Score: 2

      1) Find a an exploitable employee
      2) Seduce them with hopes of seeing their child again this century
      3) Collect incriminating evidence
      4) Profit!

      FWIW he wasn't trying to profit. The article explicitly says that he was trying to contact his son and estranged wife.

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    4. Re:Tumbled by DriedClexler · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I don't understand how it couldn't be entrapment. What, do they have undercover agents sitting in places where peddlers of secrets will mistake you for a foreign intelligence operative or something? Yeah fucking right: you don't get approached by someone wanting to sell you secrets on accident.

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    5. Re:Tumbled by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Informative

      Depends on the details of the start of the affair: "However, there is no entrapment where a person is ready and willing to break the law and the government agents merely provide what appears to be a favorable opportunity for the person to commit the crime."

      If the agent merely posed as the sort of consular person who the suspect was looking for, it's just a sting, not entrapment. If, on the other hand, the agent engaged in a prolonged campaign of grooming and cajoling to get otherwise upright and/or feckless people stirred up enough to do something, there would be a serious argument that entrapment was going on...

      It would be interesting to know if the feds just have undercover people swarming around likely defection loci, just hanging out and looking shady and approachable, or whether Akamai is considered cool enough to get investigations focused on its employees, or whether the fellow in question has something else that flagged him.

    6. Re:Tumbled by rthille · · Score: 1

      Um, the "profit!" (along with all the other points) were actions the GP attributed to the FBI agent, not the "exploitable employee" (the guy trying to see his wife/son). Also, the article explicitly says he asked for $3000, and dropped the hint that he'd be happy if his estranged wife turned up dead.

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    7. Re:Tumbled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      on accident

      Arrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

    8. Re:Tumbled by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      'Contact' is one word for it. Using the phrase "His mother is a terrible human being and has caused me tremendous suffering. Not enough bad things can happen to her if you know what I mean." makes you sound like you do have a certain, er, mutually beneficial exchange of services, in mind...

    9. Re:Tumbled by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      FWIW he wasn't trying to profit.

      It's not about his profit.

      It's about the fact that the world would end in a fiery wreck if anyone should get faster video over the internet without paying license fees.

      We're talking profits here, man. What is the worth of a man's family in the face of lost shareholder value? Get your priorities straight!

      I'm telling you this as a friend.

      Plus, Akamai is an important part of the coming private Internet which is coming to replace the messy public internet. Don't you want a safer, more orderly Internet? And if Akamai's technology makes the new private Internet a "safer, speedier Internet" (as their marketing material says), obviously we can't have that technology falling into non-license paying hands. How can you have a "safer, speedier Internet" if a lot of people have access to technology that makes it "safer" and "speedier". That would be socialism, and you don't want socialism do you? Or do you, you filthy socialist? How would you like it if your family and employer found out that you were a filthy socialist who doesn't want a "safer, speedier Internet"? You wouldn't want that to happen. Bad things happen to filthy socialists who don't want a "safer, speedier Internet".

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    10. Re:Tumbled by Pseudonym+Authority · · Score: 1

      That list was from the State's perspective, so they (the government) would be Profit!ing.

    11. Re:Tumbled by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      In addition to logic in the "when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail that you might get promoted for pounding" vein, I imagine that the FBI's counterintelligence office doesn't really want to court the potential moral hazard of providing assistance to people who might be moles in order to remove their incentive to sell out.

      There is, one presumes, a very long list of people who would really like something in their life fixed up, and you don't really want to get into the business of having to fix things for them lest they go rogue on you...

    12. Re:Tumbled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "However, there is no entrapment where a person is ready and willing to break the law and the government agents merely provide what appears to be a favorable opportunity for the person to commit the crime. For example, it is not entrapment for a government agent to pretend to be someone else and to offer, either directly or through an informant or other decoy, to engage in an unlawful transaction with the person (see sting operation). So, a person would not be a victim of entrapment if the person was ready, willing and able to commit the crime charged in the indictment whenever opportunity was afforded, and that government officers or their agents did no more than offer an opportunity."

      Hellllooooooooooo....
      Don't take my word for it, I might have just added that when you weren't looking. Use a credible source next time.

    13. Re:Tumbled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whooosh! The profit is what the agent/agency got in bonuses, raises, budget increases and all those luscious donuts served by room service at $5.00 a piece.

    14. Re:Tumbled by Artifakt · · Score: 1

      It's obvious (always assuming that what the article says is substantially correct), that Mr. Doxer had what the law calls a propensity to commit the first crime from before law enforcement entered the picture. The FBI didn't have to implant any ideas in his head for that to happen. But, what about the rest of the crimes? This guy was apparently looking for a contact with the Israeli government from the start. Maybe that's so he could get info on the estranged wife and child, but it also arguably could be because he figured that Israel would be unlikely to do any real damage to the US with the info. Maybe he genuinely thought that this would count as only corporate espionage, and not spill over into hurting the US economy or US interests as a whole. So the government should expect to have to prove for each charge after the first that they didn't talk Mr. Daxer into going down paths he would have never thought of on his own and might have been strongly reluctant to pursue unless they pressured him and persuaded him. I don't think there was any entrapment here, but for at least some of the charges or claims of aggravating circumstances, it is certainly possible. I guess we will have to see if his lawyer even raises that as a possible defense, and if so, whether the evidence the public and jury sees is all heavily redacted transcripts or something such as that, and even then, reasonable people may disagree over the outcome, whatever it is.

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    15. Re:Tumbled by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      It's clear the US government won't go to bat for it's citizens in these custody cases, especially in countries that allow dual-citizenship... A CRIME had already been committed and they were looking to take advantage.

      His plea to the government for help from a position like this is probably what got him flagged in the first place... There's some entrapment argument.. Guy should have volunteered to be a "consultant" ... Seems to work for companies sending the same tech jobs to Israel!! There's companies like IBM that outsource this stuff all the time for Fortune 100 companies. Akamati is far from a "national security" risk..

      I'd guess the plea dropped the spying charge down to just the corporate charges (multiple computer trespass and trade secret charges would add up to 15 easily) or he'd be facing a lot more time. They can argue the charges down based on intent and circumstance. While he's in prison he can get the proper charges filed in the US court for his wife.. Then she won't be able to leave Israel without being on Interpol's kidnaping list. They can catch her flying across Europe or something.

    16. Re:Tumbled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd have no problem with that. The funny part of all this is I work for myself. I have 100% control of the company and doing quite well.

    17. Re:Tumbled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "Apparently out of the blue, he decided to send an e-mail to Israel's Boston consulate on June 22, 2006, writing, "I am a jewish american who lives in Boston. I know you are always looking for information and i am offering the little i may have."

      Seems his mail was intercepted or somesuch

    18. Re:Tumbled by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      According to this Doxer offered, in an email to the Israeli consulate, to provide documents.

      And the Israelis contacted the FBI. Some spy masters they turned out to be.

    19. Re:Tumbled by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 1

      If, on the other hand, the agent engaged in a prolonged campaign of grooming and cajoling to get otherwise upright and/or feckless people stirred up enough to do something, there would be a serious argument that entrapment was going on.

      Well, pretty much anything can be going when you're engaging in wild speculation. The case is pretty well documented and there is no indication of grooming or Akamai arranging to have employees spied on.

      Anyway, let's get back to speculation. Maybe his wife was paid off by a rival of Akamai - knowing that Doxer in hus desperation would likely do something to harm is employer.

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    20. Re:Tumbled by SniperJoe · · Score: 1

      In this case, I was speaking more to the OP's summary of:

      1) Find a an exploitable employee
      2) Seduce them with hopes of seeing their child again this century
      3) Collect incriminating evidence
      4) Profit!

      Again, as I also said in my original post, it doesn't matter, as he has pleaded guilty. Case over.

    21. Re:Tumbled by slackbheep · · Score: 2

      Should be taken as a sign that good faith and PR was worth more than his information.

    22. Re:Tumbled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This filthy socialist should go to jail.

    23. Re:Tumbled by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      Or that they already knew everything they needed to about Akamai from other sources :)

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    24. Re:Tumbled by jgtg32a · · Score: 1

      Yeah sounds like he would like his wife to make contact with a bullet

    25. Re:Tumbled by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 1

      You know that Akamai's been involved in delivering most of the high traffic/demand content on the internet for over a decade, right? This isn't like a new thing. It's a thing that's been in place for about as long as most people have been using the internet.

      I don't know, at this point worrying about what it will do to the internet is like worrying about what those newfangled motorcars will do to our streets.

    26. Re:Tumbled by elrous0 · · Score: 0

      1) Find a an Jewish employee
      2) Tell them it's for Israel

      FTFY

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    27. Re:Tumbled by sethmeisterg · · Score: 2

      I'm sensing a tad bit of sarcasm here. Not sure. Either that or you're off your meds.

    28. Re:Tumbled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " ... because he figured that Israel would be unlikely to do any real damage to the US with the info" - yeah, right. Today's friend can became your worth enemy tomorrow. Isn't history teach enough lessons to people already?

    29. Re:Tumbled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      15 years for handing out worthless info and not a day in jail for Officials and CEO's for defrauding Billions of dollars of peoples money. Yeah, we have a great Justice system. F^Hu^Hc^Hk^Hs^H and c^Ho^Hn^Hd^Ho^Hl^He^Hn^Hc^He^Hs^H checks and balances.

  3. Akamai Is An Expensive Waste of Electricity by curmudgeon99 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For several years I worked in Manhattan for one of those large privately held media Companies, one with both magazines and magazine websites galore, including ones you would know. We used to use Akamai. Sure they could cache our content and then absorb a lot of traffic from our servers, but they were expensive as hell--especially for what they did, in my opinion. I do seem to recall that our big company eventually dumped Akamai and all the money that went with it. Why they still exist I will never know.

    1. Re:Akamai Is An Expensive Waste of Electricity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Really?

      If not for Akamai, we'd need 3x the number of servers. Probably more considering certain things that don't scale linearly. That's space, cooling and power. Possibly more employees to manager the extra servers.

      Set up our own CDN? There's no way we could match the extensive network of edge servers Akamai has. And again, we'd have to employ people to make it work and manage these extra servers. Accountants too to pay all the different DC operators.

      We get some security as well. Our name servers can hide and Akamai can front any DoS attempts. Additionally, if we so choose (I believe) we could restrict access to our servers to -only- Akamai.

      Routing "strangeness" happens on the internet more often than you'd (well, I'd) think. With our local ISPs, we shrug our shoulders. Akamai it either doesn't happen, or in the rare case when it does, they "fix" it. "People from Singapore say our site is down" just doesn't happen anymore.

      No doubt, it's expensive (REALLY expensive), but it's oh-so-nice to sit behind Akamai and deal with problems that don't involve stupid amounts of traffic.

    2. Re:Akamai Is An Expensive Waste of Electricity by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      You weren't big enough to need Akamai. They have caching servers at ISPs. If a single ISP main office has multiple customers your application benefits.

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    3. Re:Akamai Is An Expensive Waste of Electricity by Shinobi · · Score: 1

      Akamai is a waste of space, especially when they appear to throttle access in certain regions, such as the nordic countries(And then they report low download speeds... go figure...), while other CDN's, like for example LimeLight Networks run full-speed here. On a good day against an Akamai server, I might get 1.5MiB/s peak on an 8GiB file.... Average day against LimeLight Networks, 10-11MB/s sustained on a 10GiB file.

    4. Re:Akamai Is An Expensive Waste of Electricity by Alomex · · Score: 3, Interesting

      CNN dumped Akamai on September 10, 2001, for the exact same reasons as you list above. I kid you not.

      They signed back up on September 12, 2001.

    5. Re:Akamai Is An Expensive Waste of Electricity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      CNN dumped Akamai on September 10, 2001, for the exact same reasons as you list above. I kid you not.

      They signed back up on September 12, 2001.

      Have you got a reference for this?

  4. 62 times? by zill · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Doxer delivered the information to a dead drop box 62 times.

    That's ironically inefficient for an employee at the world's largest CDN.

    Doxer worked in the finance department at Akamai's Boston headquarters.

    Ah, that explains everything.

    An engineer wouldn't have been caught because he would be behind 7 proxies and only accept payment in bitcoins.

    1. Re:62 times? by Darth · · Score: 3, Funny

      what makes you think the engineer would do it for free?

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    2. Re:62 times? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He wouldn't.

    3. Re:62 times? by c0lo · · Score: 1

      Ah, that explains everything.
      No engineers have been caught because they are behind 7 proxies and only accept payment in bitcoins.

      FTFY.
      On a second thought... no, it can't be: engineers can't access data of any value, can they now?

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  5. Stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Was the guy stupid? No real Israeli intelligence official would approach him like that in a million years. They'd pretend to be FBI/CIA instead. ;)

    1. Re:Stupid? by hedwards · · Score: 1

      You'd be surprised. There's a surprising number of people that will hand that information over to Israeli agents that would never do so to American agents. Additionally, neither the CIA nor the FBI would be willing to assassinate a couple nobodies just to collect that information.

  6. Nominative determinism strikes again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So the name of this guy who exposed a bunch of people's private info is really "Doxer"?

  7. utter, complete hypocritical bullshit by decora · · Score: 3, Informative

    we have moved just about every last fucking factory to China, along with all of the computers that control them. Then we sent the manufacturing of those computers to China too. All of the corporations made massive amoputns of money off of this. Do you think the Chinese PLA just sat back and didn't study anything? They are pulling the same game they did on the high-speed rail experts they 'contracted' to build the rail system.

    And yet its all perfectly legal, because rich people are getting even richer off of it. Chinese workers arent getting rich - instead the government keeps the money and sticks it in Fannie and Freddie bonds and Treasury debt.

    oh

    but you want to possibly in theory sell a few secrets (like an email list... oh my god, how on earth did such a dangerous hacker acheive such a brilliant coup as an internal email list) to israel, which is a US ally... and youd think the world had come to a fucking end.

    the whole country has gone ape shit, back asswards insane. people are just fucking stupid anymore. no fucking sense, not a drop left. sell the entire manufacturing and industrial base to China, a communist government that killed our own 'brave men in uniform' in the Korean War, but theoretically sell a few tiny corporate "secrets" to Israel and you get 15 years in the slammer.

    how many secrets do you think are being funneled through our multinational corporations like , i dont know, chrysler? hummer? you know hummer is owned by the Chinese now right? the same hummers that our troops are driving around in Iraq and Afghanistan while they get blown up? Why dont we put the CEO of hummer in fucking prison for corporate espionage... he didn't sell a few email lists, he sold the whole fucking company!

    Now don't get me wrong. I love China and it's culture, literature, people, etc. I'm just saying. Look at the fucking hypocrisy of these 'espionage' cases. Look who it benefits. the rich and the corporate elite. Look who it harms - the peons who want to give out information.

    Now, I know this particular peon wanted to sell information, for money. But that is not what precedents like this get used for in the future. He is the 8th in history. 8th. The 8th guy is prosecuted for selling info. The 9th guy is prosecuted for thinking about selling info. The 10th guy is prosecuted for giving out info for free. The 11th guy is prosecuted for journalism.

    That's the slippery slope of all this maniacal overcontrol of information, this obsession with secrecy... its not about secrecy, and it's not about protecting important information from espionage activity. It's about pure, blatant, bloody power, and who controls it, and who gets shafted. Espionage is a ruse. It's a red herring. The whole law is fucking corrupt to the point of banality.

    Bradley Manning is being charged under Computer Espionage. For what? For "leaking" a gunship video. You know how many gunship videos are on youtube right now? You know there's a website that specializes specifically in gunship footage, all gunship footage all the time?

    That's great. We now have three different kinds of Espionage - - - Plain old Espionage, Corporate Espionage, and Computer Espionage. How many more do we need? How many more can we invent? Well, just count the number of government agencies and power centers in the military industrial complex and then you will find out how many variations of thought-control law will be promulgated under 'national security'.

    Its all a lie. Everything we see here is junk. It's all junk.

    We have to save Toby.

    1. Re:utter, complete hypocritical bullshit by afidel · · Score: 1

      I really shouldn't feed a troll, but you really think the 300 million people that have moved off of subsistence farms to move to the city in the last generation haven't become richer? Sure their life sucks compared to a middle class westerner but damn is it an improvement over breaking your back to barely avoid starvation with no hope of improving your situation.

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    2. Re:utter, complete hypocritical bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "you know hummer is owned by the Chinese now right? the same hummers that our troops are driving around in Iraq and Afghanistan while they get blown up?"

      That's wrong. GM sold the hummer brand to a Chinese company
      http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/industrials/article6415642.ece

      What you are thinking of is the Humvee
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humvee

      which is still being made by AM General which is still an American company
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AM_General

    3. Re:utter, complete hypocritical bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      We may be allies with Israel but they also attract a lot of unwanted attention. Akami also does some work for the US government, giving reverse proxy destination IP's to a foreign government, ally or not, is a security risk - with the shit they are stirring up with Iran do you really think it would take long for that info to land in their hands? Besides, Akamai probably does a lot more than just reverse proxy for uncle sam.

      Your argument about hummers is juvenile and asinine. I'm hoping that was your point. Espionage has it's place and it's important in most cases, but when the motive is profit and the information gleaned from said espionage is only viable to a competitor, then the "spy" really deserves what he gets.

      That said, the manning incident is unfortunate, and I appreciate the fact the information is out there in the open, but I appreciate Wikileaks even more for discretionary leaks of information, something Manning did NOT do and something that he probably deserves his jail time for. Lives were at stake for very little interesting data in that whole dump, and probably not worth it. If he had gotten an illegal order, or an order that was highly immoral, then I think I would be more behind him. As it is, he seems like the type of guy who wanted to prove to some guy he met an irc how 31337 hax0r he is and did the dump to prove it. I don't insist on that, and maybe that's the media's influence on me making me say that, but there it is.

      "its all a lie". This is pure hyperbole, and you really oughtta go back and reconsider your mental health and happiness level if you really get that out of this story. Sure, there are lies here, and sure the media will twist it, but part of analytical thinking is examining your own bias towards either side of the story. The fact you've already taken a side without insider knowledge of this event discredits you, which is unfortunate because you had some really good things to say in that post. Please reconsider how you approach topics like that in the future, otherwise you will be just as dismissed as the rest of the roadside prophets.

    4. Re:utter, complete hypocritical bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Look at the fucking hypocrisy of these 'espionage' cases."

      You should have started with that sentence and then built a coherent argument around that.

      Your cluttered mess is almost unreadable. You have some good points in there (I think?), but it's all cluttered up with a bunch of crazy prose.

    5. Re:utter, complete hypocritical bullshit by shadowofwind · · Score: 1

      A part of me agrees with you. A part of me is thinking "damn, I wonder if I could make his head explode...."

      In any case, the Chinese mostly just make plastic utensils and stuff, no great loss. It frees us up for innovation. And although the law does protect a lot of secrets, I'm more comfortable trusting those in the know to do the right thing than risk having it fall into the hands of terrorists. Industrial secrets such as are going to China don't matter as much because technology changes so fast anyway.

    6. Re:utter, complete hypocritical bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow dude. Off the meds, eh.

    7. Re:utter, complete hypocritical bullshit by Taty'sEyes · · Score: 2

      I hate to get in the middle of your rant, but a Hummer is not a HumVee.

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    8. Re:utter, complete hypocritical bullshit by Kreigaffe · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Is it? Is it really? Do you know this?

      I sure don't. I don't know that farming in China is worse than living in "corporate cities". It could be worse.

      It could be better, but only because of social policies enacted by the Chinese government to ensure that they have a large population of workers desperate enough to take any work they can, a virtual slave class who are not allowed freedom of travel, who very well could have led a more happy and healthy and stable life as simple subsistence farmers. Of course, that wouldn't be as good for The State, so it's discouraged.

      Don't ever underestimate the evil of the Chinese government. Their population, to them, is not people but a resource. Look at their treatment of other resources and you will see how they will treat their people-resource. Its only value is to be exploited as harshly as possible for the benefit of the State.

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    9. Re:utter, complete hypocritical bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Our company has a Chinese division that sells our product. We sell a substantial quantity of our American made product, for various legal definitions of "American made". We brought some manufacturing back from China due to of all things transportation costs.

      One of the reps visited, a kid about 25 fresh out of college. He's tall, right at six feet. Not skinny. His pay on the Chinese economy is as good as our local salesman , not the same dollar value but the same purchasing power. He said he had a large apartment, usually rides a bike or scooter and food is readily available. His biggest gripe is having a hard time finding a girlfriend.

    10. Re:utter, complete hypocritical bullshit by afidel · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Having worked on both a farm and in a factory for just above minimum wage, hell yeah factory work is a hell of a lot better, and I was on a midsized US farm with tons of machinery to help me out, not doing everything with hand tools. A week of doubles running a machine is still easier than working nearly as many hours doing manual labor.

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    11. Re:utter, complete hypocritical bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I lived for a few years in China, and returned to the US a few years ago because I still see some economic benefit to my kids in their growing up as native English speakers. Here some observations, although perhaps people living in China should reply, as I realize my view is still that of a naive outsider.

      The technical professionals in big cities in China live like US college students. Some have cars, most don't. They usually have TV's, DVD players, cell phones and sometimes older model computers. DSL is common. Their clothes are almost never old (but perhaps counterfeit or unauthorized overproduction). They make much less money, but lower local prices make up for much of it. Remember: 100% of the cost of everything is labor. For example, a one bedroom condo might cost $50k instead of $200k.

      Maid services, food delivery, foot massagers, places offering to wash cars, etc. seem to be more common. I believe that this is because minimum wage in China is low (varies by province), so there is less artificial unemployment, so it is easier for someone doing a manual labor service job to hire assistants and become an entrepreneur.

    12. Re:utter, complete hypocritical bullshit by compucomp2 · · Score: 1

      So commerce with China is bad, while selling private information to Israel is OK. Is that it? So because Israel is an "ally", means that selling people's phone numbers and addresses is just fine, and somehow trading with China is selling out to the "evil communists?"

      Why don't you just admit that you are only interested in what's good for Israel and not what's good for the US or the rest of the world?

    13. Re:utter, complete hypocritical bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Why don't you just admit that you are only interested in what's good for Israel and not what's good for the US or the rest of the world?"

      I am not the parent poster, but everything that he said would be equally valid if we were talking about selling phone numbers to France instead of Israel. Israel, France, England, etc. are democracies. China is not.

      So your accusation that the the parent poster is "only interested in what's good for Israel and not what's good for the US or the rest of the world" fails the test of replacing Israel in the argument with another democracy.

    14. Re:utter, complete hypocritical bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      U mad?

    15. Re:utter, complete hypocritical bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you need to reread decora's post, slowly.

    16. Re:utter, complete hypocritical bullshit by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Is it really? Do you know this?

      Yes, and you can too if you walk down the street and talk to a former Chinese peasant. It's not as if they are hard to find no matter where you are on earth. I'm not saying China is ideal in any way and neither will they (they would have moved near you for an even better life), just that you are wrong.
      Also China is so big that anything you've every heard of it is probably true somewhere. Slavery happens as does every other crime you can think of, just as it does in the USA with criminals keeping women working as slaves. That doesn't mean the place is like the Alabama a couple of centuries ago.

    17. Re:utter, complete hypocritical bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      you know hummer is owned by the Chinese now right? the same hummers that our troops are driving around in Iraq and Afghanistan while they get blown up? Why dont we put the CEO of hummer in fucking prison for corporate espionage... he didn't sell a few email lists, he sold the whole fucking company!

      Um, wow, where to begin. Okay, how 'bout this... (1) Military HMMWVs ("hummers") are /not/ made by General Motors, who made the civilian Hummer and the laughable looks-vaguely-like-a-hummer-body-kit H2 (aka GM 2500) and H3 (aka Colorado). The military's M998 is, and always has been, made by AM General, which is still a U.S. company (Indiana).

      (2) The (civilian, cheesy) Hummer brand was to be sold to a Chinese manufacturing company, but the deal fell through. http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/02/24/us-gm-hummer-idUSTRE61N5XE20100224 GM just dismantled it. The Chinese don't own it. GM still does, for whatever it's worth, in its defunct state.

    18. Re:utter, complete hypocritical bullshit by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      how many secrets do you think are being funneled through our multinational corporations like , i dont know, chrysler? hummer? you know hummer is owned by the Chinese now right? the same hummers that our troops are driving around in Iraq and Afghanistan while they get blown up?

      Well, partly right - but also gloriously wrong. The company that manufactures the *Hummer* is indeed owned by the Chinese - but our troops don't drive *Hummers*. They drive *Humvees*/*HMMWV*- which are manufactured by a different, US owned, company.
       
      Time for a new layer of tinfoil.

    19. Re:utter, complete hypocritical bullshit by Xacid · · Score: 2

      Simple difference: intent.

    20. Re:utter, complete hypocritical bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chinese workers arent getting rich

      So all the Chinese workers stopped sustenance farming to enamor themselves in US culture by working in US dollar lead factories? I think your logic may be a little faulty.

      As global demand for electronics grows China's workforce is shifting to higher paid better positions. The garment and toy industries have significant labour problems in manufacturing as they cannot match the enumeration offered by Hon Hai and friends.

    21. Re:utter, complete hypocritical bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, it was a beautifully crafted troll post. Just... beautiful.

    22. Re:utter, complete hypocritical bullshit by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      You are wrong on basic facts, wrong on premises (which are mixed, and self-contradictory while also being wrong), and certainly wrong on the basic ethical issues related to whether a business owner does, or does not have a say in how information is sold. Basically, you're a rambling tin-foil troll. Get a grip.

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    23. Re:utter, complete hypocritical bullshit by evilviper · · Score: 1

      sell the entire manufacturing and industrial base to China, a communist government that killed our own 'brave men in uniform' in the Korean War

      Hmm, as opposed to our friendly relationships with Germany, Italy, and Japan (WWII was only a few years earlier). Through the 80s and early 90s it was Japan we were all afraid of, because they were taking all our manufacturing (becoming the #2 economy) and were going to buy out all the US corporations and take over.

      Even Vietnam is our valuable trading partner these days, with the same old communist government, and much more stigma about Vietnam than Korea...

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    24. Re:utter, complete hypocritical bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't get you wrong? You obviously do hate China. You are mad about their part in a war that took place 60 years ago. Anyone in power in China at that time is dead now. You are the junk.

    25. Re:utter, complete hypocritical bullshit by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 2

      how many secrets do you think are being funneled through our multinational corporations like , i dont know, chrysler? hummer? you know hummer is owned by the Chinese now right? the same hummers that our troops are driving around in Iraq and Afghanistan while they get blown up? Why dont we put the CEO of hummer in fucking prison for corporate espionage... he didn't sell a few email lists, he sold the whole fucking company!

      This is bogus.

      The military doesn't drive "hummer." The military uses HMMWV, which stands for High Mobility Multi-purpose Wheeled Vehicle, not "hummer." The name hummer is what happened when us military folk didn't want to spell out the acronym HMMWV, so instead we just say humm-vee. If you'll also notice, the predecessor to the HMMWV was the GP, for General Purpose, but military folks of that age decided to call it "jeep" rather than spell out GP.

      Much like the "jeep" Crystler decided to repeat that with the hummer. One day they said "Gee, such a nice name, I think we'll make a suburban look similar to an HMMWV on the outside, while still being a turd on the inside, and then sell it to the public under the name 'hummer' and people will buy it just for the name." Yeah, I really don't care if china makes "hummers," they're pieces of shit anyways.

      HMMWV's on the other hand are made in the US.

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    26. Re:utter, complete hypocritical bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A hummer is different from a HMMV.

    27. Re:utter, complete hypocritical bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really.

      It's about the privacy and security that people could reasonably expect working for an American firm such as Akamai.

      No one denies they do good work.

    28. Re:utter, complete hypocritical bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever here of a company called Lenovo? Those pc's aren't made out of plastic utensils. China didn't become the #1 industrial power by limiting itself to trinkets and such.

    29. Re:utter, complete hypocritical bullshit by couchslug · · Score: 1

      "we have moved just about every last fucking factory to China, "

      No. See CIA World Factbook.

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    30. Re:utter, complete hypocritical bullshit by CODiNE · · Score: 1

      It could be better, but only because of social policies enacted by the Chinese government to ensure that they have a large population of workers desperate enough to take any work they can

      A real-life Chinese version of "The Grapes of Wrath".

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    31. Re:utter, complete hypocritical bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Israel, France, England, etc. are democracies. China is not.

      A democracy without universal suffrage is only democracy in name. Until Israel is brave enough to allow more than a minority o the population to vote, they don't deserve the title.

      That said I'm not sure that my own country, the UK, deserves the title either - way too much partisan screwing with the constituency borders means that some peoples votes count more than others.

      Don't know enough about French Politics to comment on them though.

      Of course, if your only definition of a democracy is being able to vote for a few representatives every few years - the China actually qualifies. Much like the UK they get to have a say about a few non-key people, while the rest are chosen by the party (in the UK, the Prime Minister is chosen by the winning party - as are many of the MP's called "list MP's" - and the lords are chosen by the current government, which is a title for life).

      Democracy is far from simple, and there's no one country that meets an ideal version of it. I believe it was a famous American who compared democracy and republicanism and found both wanting....?

    32. Re:utter, complete hypocritical bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't even know where to begin to respond to this racist, hate-filled, ignorant, paranoid, and uniformed post. I'll just sum it up with:

      Mr. Decora, what you've just said ... is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
         

    33. Re:utter, complete hypocritical bullshit by cavreader · · Score: 1

      The average city based Chinese citizens are making more money today but that is also creating rising inflation that even the Chinese government can not correct by manipulating their currency. This inflation is making their exports more expensive and damaging the only competitive advantage China has ever possessed which is cheap labor. China has went from trade surpluses to posting trade a deficient for the first time in almost 15 years. To add insult to injury they have also increased their food imports by a factor of 5 over the past 6 years from the US alone. The US represents nearly 1/3 of their export market and when the US economy suffers problems so does theirs.

  8. Where have you been? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    CDNs are a nickel a dozen these days. Akamai has certain advantages - they're absolutely huge and thus have presence in the ass end of noiwhere - but companies that actually need what Akamai offers? Those are very, very, very few and far between.

    Everything else? DoS prevention? Restriction of access? You've just described every CDN provider, even the vast majority of the bargain basement, el cheapo mom-and-pops.

    Simply put, Akamai is the commercial Unix of CDNs. Good luck with that.

    1. Re:Where have you been? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You are spot on. I deal with many CDN's and what I once admired about Akamai has now become a basic service.

      That all said Akamai holds a special place in my heart http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_M._Lewin

  9. Selling phone lists is espionage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess I better check the citizenship of all those recruiters I sell ours to...

  10. Re:With Jews you lose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Truth hurts hey AC? Poster is correct. Reality it seems is Anti semetic

  11. Re:With Jews you lose by akintayo · · Score: 1

    Reality can't spell either, you f'ing bigot.

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  12. Not from Israel by KiloByte · · Score: 1

    Since when spies (as in the one who contacted this crook) say truth about whom they really work for? It's in their benefit to be able to shove the responsibility onto someone else when caught. That "israeli" spy would really work for China or Iran... or, in this case, FBI.

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  13. Anyone else worried that this was a criminal case? by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Uniform Trade Secrets Act makes trade secret "theft" a civil matter between the secret holder and the leaker. Apparently something went through in 1996 making it a Federal crime. The economy went fine for hundreds of years without the threat of jail for leakers -- why change? Especially since trade secret law can be and has been abused.

    On another subject, there's a gaping gap in the story as we've seen it. How did the FBI know about his email to the Israeli consulate? Why did it take years before they followed up?

  14. AKAMAI's banner ads slow the web down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Block them in HOSTS files or firewalls & you go 100% faster websurfing, and easily noticeably so.

  15. uhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On a second thought... no, it can't be: engineers can't access data of any value, can they now?

    That's a joke, right?

    1. Re:uhh by c0lo · · Score: 1

      On a second thought... no, it can't be: engineers can't access data of any value, can they now?

      That's a joke, right?

      For you to sleep better: yes, it is... or at least an attempt to make one.

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    2. Re:uhh by c0lo · · Score: 1

      On a second thought... no, it can't be: engineers can't access data of any value, can they now?

      That's a joke, right?

      On a second thought... comparing the salaries of MBA graduates with those of engineers, maybe is not so funny anymore?

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    3. Re:uhh by Thud457 · · Score: 1

      On a second thought... no, it can't be: engineers can't access data of any value, can they now?

      That's a joke, right?

      On a second thought... comparing the salaries of MBA graduates with those of engineers, maybe is not so funny anymore?

      no, no, no, no, no! you're doing it all wrong!
      Engineers, being by definition, members of the reality based community, are more honest, and take the trust and responsibility placed on them more seriously.
      Whilst business graduates are all a bunch of sleazy fast-buck artists.

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  16. doxed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so doxer was posting dox

  17. Why I'm not sympathetic with Doxer ... by MacTO · · Score: 1

    The article suggests that Doxer initiated contact, which is a solid strike against him and I think I agree with how the counter intelligence unit handled it because of that.

    Now if Doxer had been contacted because he had a known weakness, that would be a different story. That is especially true since his weakness was knowing the condition of his son and to dig up dirt on his estranged wife. In that case, I would be concerned about a case of entrapment and how it would be easier to resolve the situation by providing him with information without blackmailing him. But that is not the case, and he simply should have used family contacts or hired someone to investigate the situation.

    1. Re:Why I'm not sympathetic with Doxer ... by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      But in these family cases you CAN'T even set foot in the country because the spouse flags you as a "stalker" and you're denied visas or turned away at customs. Unless you can get somebody in the other government to "accidentally" drive your spouse and child to the US Embasy where the FBI can detain them under the USA law that was broken you'll never see them again. You might also catch a break if the spouse leaves the country and your "friend" can get their plane grounded in a US extradition country for an hour...
      The only way to get justice in these cases is to get somebody in the hiding country to break their laws or misuse authority.

    2. Re:Why I'm not sympathetic with Doxer ... by MoriT · · Score: 1

      You are assuming "justice" is automatically on his side. We have no information about the case: whether she was granted sole custody, whether he left them or why they were estranged in the first place. We don't know if they were even married in the US; he could have been working abroad and returned to the US alone.

      I'm not saying that his wife is an angel, or that he might not have been devastated by the loss of his son, but when his primary worry when dealing with the undercover FBI agent was making sure bad things happen to her I'm pretty sure that she's not lying if she claims he's a dangerous "stalker".

    3. Re:Why I'm not sympathetic with Doxer ... by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      Well if he was Jewish too then he wouldn't need to make backroom deals in the first place... He could just go there legally and appeal.
      Considering Middle Eastern view of spousal abuse is generally a family matter, and generally "one punch" before you kill her, you'd have a hard time time "crying to daddy" about your terrible husband.

      Even if a US court denied him custody, leaving the country and missing visitation is kidnapping, open and shut felony.. Even in US JAIL your rights to see your kids dont go away allowing your spouse to flee.

  18. what the official filing is, isn't the whole story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone who thinks that what the indictment says is the whole story in an espionage case is foolish. It's what is sufficient to convict without revealing other things the guy might or might not have done.

  19. Hague Treaty by gmhowell · · Score: 1

    And once again, the Hague Treaty on abduction is ignored. Is it because the absconding parent is the mother? Or is it to avoid ruffling the feathers of Israel? Do I fucking care which it is?

    Men, please, take the red pill.

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    1. Re:Hague Treaty by Elbereth · · Score: 1

      That second link was hilarious. Thanks for the laugh.

      That was possibly the whiniest rant I've ever read in my life.

    2. Re:Hague Treaty by hedwards · · Score: 0

      It's a bit over the top, but it's completely true.

      Rape, sexual abuse, domestic violence, cancer, homelessness, those are all things for which society provides resources above and beyond what men receive. In the case of domestic violence, it's especially egregious seeing as women make up a full half of all abusers and yet are rarely targeted by public awareness campaigns.

      http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSPAT97046720080520
      http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2013743521_domesticviolence26.html

      What's worse is that schools are continuing to indoctrinate men with the notion that they are in some fashion inferior to women and that they are less valuable than women are.

    3. Re:Hague Treaty by euroq · · Score: 1

      LOL! Awesome 2nd link... :)

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    4. Re:Hague Treaty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      it's because she's a jewess.

    5. Re:Hague Treaty by dave420 · · Score: 1

      You sound like a lunatic. I have no idea what kind of fucked-up nonsense your schools are "indoctrinating" kids with, but that sure as fuck didn't happen when I grew up.

    6. Re:Hague Treaty by royallthefourth · · Score: 1

      You sound like a lunatic. I have no idea what kind of fucked-up nonsense your schools are "indoctrinating" kids with, but that sure as fuck didn't happen when I grew up.

      It's typical Slashdot: weirdo loser creeps out the women around him and makes up all sorts of crazy conspiracies for why he can't get the physical and emotional fulfillment he craves. Sometimes they even go so far as to say women are inferior and use the oppression of the woman as evidence of her inferiority. It's quite crass.

      I can't identify well enough with his plight to explain because I'm charming, intelligent, and good looking, but I do know well enough to pity these nerds. Simone De Beauvoir discusses this type of man a bit in The Second Sex; it's a really great book and everyone should read it.

    7. Re:Hague Treaty by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Unlikely, most folks don't realize that they're being indoctrinated. Chances are that you didn't know that the women's rights lectures were actually propaganda that were filled with half truths and outright lies.

      Those are credible sources and I have other ones. The sort of ignorance you're displaying is not uncommon, unfortunately, nor is it unexpected.

    8. Re:Hague Treaty by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Care to provide an actual credible citation? The numbers that back my assertion are from precisely the same studies as the numbers that are deemed accurate enough to justify accusing men at large of committing domestic violence at a rate sufficient to call it an epidemic. If they're reliable enough when it's aimed at men, then why precisely are those same studies unreliable when women start to look bad?

    9. Re:Hague Treaty by MoriT · · Score: 1

      We have no information about whether he pursued legal means at all. Since he wasn't pursuing legal means, in fact, my first suspicion would be that his son was legally living abroad. As you point out, treaties exist for cases where children are unlawfully transported across borders.

    10. Re:Hague Treaty by MoriT · · Score: 1

      Rape is gendered because it is gendered violence. Men who are targeted (and men make up 15% of rape victims) are more likely to be children or teenagers than female survivors, and more likely to have intersecting oppressions otherwise. Rape is a crime of power, and men of perceived lower status are vulnerable just like women. However, if we actually want to prevent rape we need to stop rapists from raping. That means targeting the men who commit rape is the most effective solution, since men commit 98% of rapes. If we wipe out 96% of rapes and suddenly rapists are gender-balanced, it will make sense to focus equal resources. However, both male and female survivors will be best served by dismantling the patriarchy that enables rape culture, that makes rapes against women "natural" and rapes against men a joke. There is nothing anti-male about it; it is anti-patriarchy, which harms both men and women.

      If there are men reading this who seek support, resources do exist. http://www.pandys.org/malesurvivors.html has links to national hotlines that can provide referrals.

    11. Re:Hague Treaty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      er.... You basically prove the point of that article.

      It is not whiny, it is accurate.

      You are a loser who cannot get laid.

    12. Re:Hague Treaty by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      You have obviously done little reading on the topic. Given that he has a penis, odds are entirely random whether or not the child was legally living abroad.

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  20. The danger of the Mossad by Dainsanefh · · Score: 1, Troll

    Mossad agents are walking all over the USA unchecked and unchallenged, thanks to their Jewish buddies who controls all branches of Government, Federal Reserve, Facebook, Google, Goldman Sachs etc etc.

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    1. Re:The danger of the Mossad by catmistake · · Score: 0

      Practically speaking, I'm not sure the US has much to fear from Mossad. Mossad only seems to be effective at revenge.... at least that's all we hear. Fuck with Isreal, they will go to any lengths for however long it takes to hunt you down and assassinate you with some Q-like device like an umbrella or lethal contact lens thrown like a Frisbee. Unless the US starts killing Israeli olympians, I really doubt they'll be taking any action against the US or its citizens.

    2. Re:The danger of the Mossad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I knew there would be some paranoid anus who would make a comment like this.

    3. Re:The danger of the Mossad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They used fake passports (British this time) in conducting their operations, which puts citizens of that nation in danger when traveling, as other countries will now suspect them of being Israeli spies. They've abducted citizens from within sovereign nations, applying their ideas of law outside their jurisdiction.

      Whether or not Israel is in the right with these matters is irrelevant - Mossad is certainly a danger to even Israel's allies, and wouldn't hesitate for a second to act against US citizens if it advanced their agenda.

    4. Re:The danger of the Mossad by catmistake · · Score: 1

      And... how does this differentiate Mossad from other intelligence agencies? You think the Syrians don't fake passports? CIA? China? I'm not sure it was so wise now... I wasn't attempting to defend Mossad... I was merely trolling a troll. Look closely at my post, you will see its A FUCKING JOKE, ASSHOLE.

    5. Re:The danger of the Mossad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who do you think did 9/11? It was Israel. http://rediscover911.com/who-did-911/

    6. Re:The danger of the Mossad by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      With the above racist propagand set aside, the Israelies take their data security very, very seriously. I've met several gifted Israeli mathematicians whose publications were halted in the US for security reasons, due to the US laws on publishing encryption technologies internaitonally.

    7. Re:The danger of the Mossad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I fucking hate Nazis. DIAF, loser.

    8. Re:The danger of the Mossad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jews != Israel

      What about the Mossad agents in NYC that were excited and celebrating when the towers fell?

  21. what worries me was that he "knew they wanted it" by SuperBanana · · Score: 1

    That's what worries me. I mean, Israel is second only to the russians and chinese for technology theft, but...good grief. He didn't have anything of interest, so they forked him over to the feds to look like they don't Do That Sort of Thing...

  22. Israeli Spyring Scandal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only because it's so close to the anniversary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k0e8_sff44&feature=player_embedded - Has been quite buried over the years.

    Details of the Israeli spyring, which was censored and removed from the Fox News archives. Definitely IT- related

  23. Re:the 9/11 hijackers were spot on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Danny was a friend of mine in graduate school. He was a really great guy. Somebody from India showed up in Boston in winter without a coat, so Danny gave him his. And it isn't like he was rich then, with coats to spare. He had two kids and did chores around the married-student dorm to cut a little off his rent, but he was still going deeper into debt. He just went without a coat that winter. I also remember him complaining about how the daycare wanted him to get a brand new lunchbox for his kid. Obviously, he loved his kids, but that would be a few more dollars he just didn't have, so he just repaired it as best he could, which didn't please the daycare.

    Then he became a billionaire one day. You sort of think every billionaire has to be a money-grubbing scumbag. But Danny was generous even when he was broke.

    He not only served in the Israeli military, he was an officer in an elite "anti-terrorism" unit. (I'd probably call it a "state terrorism unit"-- we disagreed about politics, but whatever.) He lived through firefights with Hezbollah then left all that behind, came to the United States, and became a technology executive. But-- what are the odds?-- he was seated in first class with Mohammad Atta and was probably the first to die on September 11.

  24. You overreact by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It may be about corporate bullshit; or maybe about one thing:
    you don't spy on your own country.

    Like you don't shit in your own nest.

  25. Re:what worries me was that he "knew they wanted i by gl4ss · · Score: 1

    well, didn't it turn out that they didn't want it?

    only one who wanted anything was the guy doing the leak, . and those secrets don't seem much like secrets, unless you're a recruiter.

    but 15 years? couldn't he have gotten away with manslaughter for less?15 years for imaginary totally undefined damages? and espionage wtf? it's simple enough to see if some company is using akamai and akamai is itself exporting the technology so wtf does the usa government have to do with it.. except it was the usa government which created the oppurtunity and motive for this guy(by letting him understand that he could get info on his wife). the operation could've done with much less time probably too, but the agent got a nice year and half of simple work from this(and the time to do in prison is a multiple of that, to justify the cost for operation).

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  26. NAIL HIM TO A CROSS !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seems only fair !! Eye for an eye and all that !!

    Beward the dutch doperz !! for they are really, really stoned !!

  27. Bad place to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To be honest, Akamai is a terrible place to work. Literally, they have a manager-engineer ratio of 10 to 1.

    I really have no idea why the 20 or so people who actually keep the company running don't leave for higher paying jobs elsewhere.

  28. Re:what worries me was that he "knew they wanted i by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

    so they forked him over to the feds to look like they don't Do That Sort of Thing...

    The lesson: If you have nothing to offer but yourself, maybe you should keep it to yourself.

  29. Re:what worries me was that he "knew they wanted i by euroq · · Score: 2

    I mean, Israel is second only to the russians and chinese for technology theft, but...good grief.

    Uh, third?

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  30. You don't have a clue, "catmistake". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "Unless the US starts killing Israeli olympians, I really doubt they'll be taking any action against the US ..."

    Your personal doubt is not the sort of data which will convince an intelligent and impartial observer of anything relative to what Israel may or may not do to the US.

    The truth is, you don't have any idea what Israel would do, and your set of beliefs about Israel causes you to be childishly naive with respect to what you imagine Israel might do to the US.

    Israel doesn't give a damn about the US, and uses the US only as long as it is expedient to do so. There is no
    doubt in the minds of US personnel whose business it is to know what Israel might do that Israel is not really
    on the side of the US, and that Israel cannot be trusted with anything significant. If you think the US doesn't
    mind Israel getting its hands on classified US info, Google "Jonathan Pollard" and see how just much the
    US doesn't mind. Pollard's relatives keep trying to get Pollard released from Federal Prison, and the US
    government keeps saying "hell no".

    As for what Israel "might" do against US citizens, Google "Rachel Corrie" to see what the Israeli
    government is capable of doing to US citizens who are unarmed and present no threat.

    You also ought to take some time and look into a certain disappearance of fissionable material within the US some years ago, for which the Mossad is almost certainly responsible. There is info out there on this, but I am not going to
    spoon-feed you because your stupid ass doesn't deserve that much help from me.

    Just because you are ignorant and stupid doesn't mean Israel is a true friend of the US, it only means you are ignorant and stupid.

    1. Re:You don't have a clue, "catmistake". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dear Mossad,
      Please ignore the AC parent. Poster is obviously a wildly-confused and paranoid racist troll and presents no legitimate threat to Israel.

  31. Re:With Jews you lose by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

    In this case you're totally correct. They meddle in HIS marriage by allowing the wife to "jump citizenship" to get preferential treatment because of her RACE. the man's wife committed a CRIME and the Jew government is hiding her because she's a Jew and not honoring the LEGALLY BINDING contract she made in the USA with this man.

  32. 18 months? 62 drops? by hrtserpent6 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    A guy tries to sell inside corporate information to Israel in exchange for $3,000 and information on his ex-wife and son. The FBI gets involved, and they set up a sting operation. The guy then proceeds to provide some fairly weak-sauce information: client lists, contracts and employee information. The whole ordeal is clumsy and sad.

    How it should have happened:
    After a few transactions, the FBI realizes this guy is zero threat. They refer the case to the Massachusetts Attorney General "for further joint investigation". Based on the evidence, the AG charges the guy with larceny or embezzlement or whatever, Akamai takes their civil remedies for breach of contract, etc, and the FBI declines to prosecute. The guy loses his job, pays $150K in fines and does 6 months in minimum security + probation. His life gets pretty hard.

    How it actually happened:
    After a few transactions, the FBI realizes the information sucks. No source code, no proprietary technology, no M&A data, no insider-level financials. It's client lists, contracts and internal employee information. The information is so weak, they can't even charge him with anything under existing Federal statutes. But there's a foreign government involved, so all sense of proportion is lost. They keep asking the guy for more information. And more. 18 months and 62 transactions later, they finally get to a point where:
    • a) they get one or more specific pieces of information that qualify as 'trade secrets'
    • b) the data in aggregate can qualify as 'trade secrets'

    Now they can charge him under the Economic Espionage Act and prepare to drop him in a very deep, very dark hole. Slam dunk. Promotions all around for stopping a 'grave threat to U.S. economic security'. The guy loses his job, pays $400K in fines and goes to Federal prison for 10 years. His life is over.

    Insane.

    1. Re:18 months? 62 drops? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What do you expect? Law enforcement officials get paid and promoted based on how many lives they ruin. Of course they'll do their best to be as thorough as possible.

    2. Re:18 months? 62 drops? by Syberz · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but that evil man shared secret customer lists AND email addresses!!!1!one!

      It's not like he tanked the whole World's economy with junk investments, cost billions in bailout money and caused the unemployment of millions of people or anything...

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      ~Syberz
    3. Re:18 months? 62 drops? by danhaas · · Score: 1

      Sting operations are a slippery slope. It should be just a method to get good evidence against a dodgy suspect, not push him over the edge. Would he ever commit the crime if not for the sting? Certainly not

      How many gullible/desperate/morally dubious people have been unjustly tempted by such schemes?

      I don't have much simpathy for the morally dubious, but it is still a low, merciless blow.

    4. Re:18 months? 62 drops? by danhaas · · Score: 1

      ack. Certainly not... enough to qualify as trade secret.

    5. Re:18 months? 62 drops? by couchslug · · Score: 1

      "The guy loses his job, pays $400K in fines and goes to Federal prison for 10 years. His life is over."

      That's called "deterrence". Once he INITIATED the process his life is reasonably forfeit as an example. It doesn't matter why he did the deed.

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      "This post is an artistic work of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
    6. Re:18 months? 62 drops? by Alomex · · Score: 1

      62 transactions later,

      A good lawyer could make a good case entrapment.

    7. Re:18 months? 62 drops? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You seem to think that prosecutorial decisions are made by the FBI. That doesn't happen there, instead the decision is made by the US Attorney for that area.

      The FBI collects some evidence and usually the US Attorney's office says they need more. More. Still more. There is no real control on a US Attorney other than the US Attorney General who is far, far too removed and busy to get involved in any case except the very highest priority. The end result is the US Attorney has total discretion and total control over what goes to trial and in most cases how much time the FBI devotes to it.

      Also, the minute the FBI gets involved it ceases to be a state matter, so the state AG has no involvement whatsoever. If you think the FBI ever hands stuff back to state or local law enforcement, you haven't been reading up on FBI much. The feud between the FBI and local law enforcement is quite real and in no way is anything going to get handed back. It is going to be delivered to the US Attorney and a decision is made there whether or not to prosecute - and whether or not to continue collecting more and more evidence.

      The FBI has no control over this process whatsoever as they are strictly an investigative agency. They do not make decisions about who to prosecute, nor do they really make much of a decision about how far to pursue an investigation. Just like the local police, the detective doesn't get to decide to drop a case, the prosecutor does and the prosecutor gets to keep telling the police they need more to build their case with.

    8. Re:18 months? 62 drops? by hrtserpent6 · · Score: 1

      You seem to think that prosecutorial decisions are made by the FBI. That doesn't happen there, instead the decision is made by the US Attorney for that area.

      Correct, mea culpa.

      The minute the FBI gets involved it ceases to be a state matter

      Not true. State and local law enforcement agencies are not subordinate to the FBI. However, if the FBI initiates an investigation there's no requirement to notify local LE or even the DOJ in some cases. The State is not prohibited from legal action until the DOJ files suit.

      If you think the FBI ever hands stuff back to state or local law enforcement, you haven't been reading up on FBI much

      Actually, the FBI frequently refers cases back to local jurisdictions, and for a wide variety of offenses such as child pornography, mortgage fraud, public corruption, and fraud. As you said (correctly), the prosecution is handled at the discretion of the US Attorney, and they can initiate, decline or transfer cases as they like. See USAM Chapter 9-27.001-.260

      The FBI has no control over this process whatsoever as they are strictly an investigative agency. They do not...really make much of a decision about how far to pursue an investigation.

      Not true. The FBI is a division of DOJ, but has full autonomy. The USAG appoints the FBI director, but does not have the authority to set or change FBI policy. The FBI can initiate investigations without a DOJ request and are not required to notify DOJ for certain investigation types. Similarly, the FBI can terminate an investigation on their own recognizance, regardless of DOJ direction. See DOJ Guidelines for Domestic FBI Investigations

      You are correct the FBI did not direct the prosecution of this guy - that is DOJ's purview. But the FBI has it's own mission and prerogatives - it's not just DOJ's thug squad.

      In the end, we really don't know who initiated it, who directed it, or at what point DOJ was put into the loop. So there is a burden on both parties. DOJ and FBI guidelines try to err on the side of avoiding costly, time-consuming or difficult cases where "substantial Federal interest is not served". I would argue this is true here. But the guy pled guilty, so it's all moot.

      If I were the Akamai lead counsel, I would be super pissed though. There's no way they were in on this until the very end. That means the Feds let a known insider threat sit inside his network for years, stealing company data.

  33. Re:the 9/11 hijackers were spot on by acoster · · Score: 1

    Lewin is an officer in the Israel Defense Forces, having served in the country's military for more than four years.

    Service in the IDF, for men, is usually 3 years. Those in special forces might serve for 4, 5 years. Nothing really special to see here.

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    "Go forth, and be excellent to each other" --Bill & Ted
  34. comment not going up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I put comments that never got up here.

  35. Re:the 9/11 hijackers were spot on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More like he was the first to de-plane when the flight landed and was replaced with a remote-controlled drone.

  36. The case IIRC isn't like that at all by Moraelin · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, we had this story before, when they caught him. And no, there was no entrapment and whatnot. The guy is simply a flaming asshat, and he WOULD get a conviction out of me and then some.

    For a start, they didn't seduce him, he actually contacted the embassy on his own proposing to sell them some "secrets" they didn't ask for and didn't need. Those guys promptly tipped off the FBI.

    Second the whole "distraught father" and "patriotism" BS is just that: BS. I WOULD believe either of that if that were his primary motivation. It pretty obviously ain't.

    The first thing the guy asked for was money. He tried to sell his employers' customer lists and whatnot, for plain old money. And see again: there was no social engineering, no seducing him, bla, bla, bla, he actually went to what he thought would be a buyer and HE proposed to sell that stuff.

    When they told him they're not interested in paying for that, he basically asked that something bad happens to his ex. And I don't know about you, but trying to get a hit on someone isn't exactly a moral high ground any way I want to slice it.

    His son only entered his equation as an after-thought, as he just asked for some photos of him. It wasn't his first or second price, and, you know, it's not like he even wanted the son back or anything, just some photos.

    So, yeah, we have an asshat who actually goes looking to sell on his own, for money, and failing that, hey, maybe he can get them to whack his ex. Proving more than amply exactly what his morals are. Sorry, he's just scum, plain and simple, and more than deserves everything coming to him.

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    1. Re:The case IIRC isn't like that at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For a start, they didn't seduce him, he actually contacted the embassy on his own proposing to sell them some "secrets" they didn't ask for and didn't need. Those guys promptly tipped off the FBI.

      I hope readers will keep this in mind when they reach the inevitable comments that say this proves Israel is the evilest evil evil evar, which show up in every thread that mentions Israel in the title or summary. It sounds like it's more like the ACORN "scandal" where ACORN reported O'Keefe to the police and was accused of helping him carry out crimes, and the AIPAC "scandal" where a DoD guy takes information on Iran's nuclear weapons program to two guys in AIPAC because he's heard these rumours about AIPAC and the Jews, and the two guys took the information to the Washington Post, and AIPAC fired the two guys.

  37. Re:The Eternal Jew... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've got a few more.

    Who prints "tear here" lines on plastic containers that don't work?
    Who invented red-light cameras?
    Who makes the vending machines fail to dispense candy properly?
    Who invented DLC? And DRM?
    Who makes the clicking noise in your hard drives right before they fail?
    Who cleverly modifies the containers of grocery items to reduce their content but charge us the same price as before?
    Who doesn't put my tools back after using them?
    Who put high fructose corn syrup in all the soft drinks?
    Who won't let us skip commercials on our DVDs?
    Who killed rock and roll?

    I think we all know the answer.

  38. Re:Anyone else worried that this was a criminal ca by Anonymus · · Score: 1

    Seriously, this is scary and fucked up.

    Ruin him financially, sure, but to put him in prison for 15 years for handing over some information on the company he worked for is ridiculous. If I had to choose, I'd rather see him walk away scot-free (and be reunited with his family) than to serve any time in prison for this.

  39. BS by Moraelin · · Score: 2

    Right, right. Because OBVIOUSLY Israel couldn't figure out something like setting up a bunch of servers and redirecting to a different server. It's not like they're designing half of what goes into those servers.

    Try something more like customer data.

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  40. Re:Anyone else worried that this was a criminal ca by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's because Akamai for all intents and purposes *IS* a third of all internet traffic, and responsible for delivering almost all the highly sensitive, hardened, or high profile web systems in play today.

    Selling confidential Akamai secrets about practices, policies and people to an external political entity - well... just read that sentence back and the idiocy of the idea springs out.

    Whether or not we like Akamai - it's very important.

  41. Re:the 9/11 hijackers were spot on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing special except a U.S. citizen serving in the military of a hostile foreign nation. What is that called? Treason... Oh yeah.

    This story is a laugh. Pure charade. Looking to hang someone for "espionage" since they dropped all the cases against AIPAC employees and congress people who really were committing massive espionage and treason against the U.S. government over the course of years and decades.

    I thought America prided itself on being superior to the Soviets. Now every problem is addressed with another bogus press release, killing someone (or a bogus press release saying that you have killed someone who was really already dead), or a show trial. Brilliant.

  42. Any theories on how the FBI was tipped off? by Lieutenant_Dan · · Score: 1

    The guy sent an e-mail offering info to the Israeli consulate. How did the FBI intercept that?

    Hmm, makes you wonder.

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  43. Re:YHWH took his hand off the USA! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are two types of people in the world: people who think there are two types of people in the world and people who don’t. I’m among the first type and I think the world is divided into people who recognize the Jewish problem and people who don’t.

    In other words, the world is divided into smart people and dumb people. If you’ve got an IQ of 80, have difficulty operating a can-opener, and recognize the Jewish problem, you’re smart. If you’ve got an IQ of 180, have already won a couple of Nobel Prizes, and don’t recognize the Jewish problem, you’re dumb.

    I’ve been dumb for most of my life: it took me a long time to recognize the Jewish problem. I didn’t think for myself, I just accepted the propaganda and conformed to the consensus. Jews are good people. Only bad people criticize Jews. Jews good. Anti-Semites bad. But then, very slowly, I started to see the light.

    Recognizing Jewish hypocrisy was the first big step. I was reading an article by someone called Rabbi Julia Neuberger, a prominent British liberal. I didn’t like liberals then, so I didn’t like her for that (and because her voice and manner had always grated on me), but her Jewishness wasn’t something I particularly noticed. But as I read the article I came across something that didn’t strike me as very liberal: she expressed concern about Jews marrying Gentiles, because this threatened the survival of the Jewish people.

    That made me sit up and think. Hold on, I thought, I know this woman sits on all sorts of “multi-cultural” committees and is constantly being invited onto TV and radio to yap about the joys of diversity and the evils of racism. She’s all in favor of mass immigration and there’s no way she’s worried about Whites marrying non-Whites, because “Race is Just a Social Construct” and “We’re All the Same Under the Skin”. She’s a liberal and she thinks that race-mixing is good and healthy and Holy. Yet this same woman is worried about Jews marrying Gentiles. Small contradiction there, n'est ce-pas?

    Well, no. Big contradiction. She obviously didn’t apply the same rules to everyone else as she applied to her own people, the Jews. She was, in short, a hypocrite. But not just that – she was a Jewish hypocrite. And that’s a big step for a brainwashed White to take: not just thinking in a negative way about a Jew, but thinking in a negative way about a Jew because of her Jewishness.

    After that, I slowly started to see the world in a different way. Or to be more precise: I started to see the world. I started to see what had always been there: the massive over-representation of Jews in politics and the media. And I started to notice that a lot of those Jews – like Rabbi Julia Neuberger, in fact – gave me the creeps. There was something slimy and oily and flesh-crawling about them. And it wasn’t just me, either: other Gentiles seemed to feel it too.

    Politicians often attract nicknames based on some outstanding aspect of their character or behavior. Margaret Thatcher was “The Iron Lady”. Ronald Reagan was “Teflon Ron”. Bill Clinton was “Slick Willy”. But these are Gentile politicians and their nicknames are at least half-affectionate. Jewish politicians seem to attract a different kind of nickname. In Britain, Gerald Kaufman, bald, homosexual Member of Parliament for Manchester Gorton, is nicknamed “Hannibal Lecter”. Peter Mandelson, now Britain’s Euro-Commissioner and Tony Blair’s suspected former lover, is “The Prince of Darkness”. Michael Howard (né Hecht), the leader of the British Conservative Party, is “Dracula”.

    When I noticed this kind of thing, I started to ask questions. What was going on here? Why did Jews attract nicknames like that? And why had Gentiles reacted to them like that not just now, but a long way into the past? Shakesp

  44. Akamai is an Israeli Company! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ummm, Akamai is an Israeli company, or was until 9/11. Look it up. This whole case is stupid and just food for anti-Semites to rant about nothing,

  45. Israel and the US are one. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is good for Israel is good for the US.

  46. Company Policy by alcmaeon · · Score: 1

    I always thought Akamai was an Israeli company. I guess it's an "American company" co-founded by an Israeli.

    According to the Jerusalem Post, Doxer e-mailed the Israeli consulate in Boston to offer assistance, saying that he is a Jewish American who wants "to help our homeland and our war against our enemies," therefore, it is likely that Doxer thought he was helping Israel.

    The poor schmuck probably just thought he was carrying out company policy and making a quick buck on the side.

  47. Doubtful by alcmaeon · · Score: 1

    LOL. Maybe if there was one or two transactions, you might argue entrapment. Sixty-two transactions suggest he was not an innocent victim.

    Not to mention, according to the Jerusalem Post, Court filings show Doxer e-mailed the Israeli consulate in Boston to offer assistance, saying that he is a Jewish American who wants "to help our homeland and our war against our enemies," therefore, it is likely that Doxer thought he was helping Israel.

    The idea didn't originate with the Feds, it originated with Doxer.

    1. Re:Doubtful by Alomex · · Score: 1

      What I'm saying is that if the first 61 transactions were legit, and the 62nd was not he could certainly argue that he was carefully led into breaking the law, thus entrapment.

  48. calling this 'espionage' is biased. by decora · · Score: 1

    i will admit i wrote it in the middle of the night on sleep deprivation. i did go a little alex jones / glenn beck there for a minute. i am sorry.

    but calling stuff like this 'espionage' is the true bias, and the truly misleading, hyperbolic bullshit. they put a guy in prison for fifteen fucking year for chrissake -- i get blasted as a nutcase, but these guys are perfectly rational authorities? look, this is fucking insane. we cannot keep doing this. its like saying 1+1 = 5, and everybody worried about the 'tone' of the guy screaming its 2. i realize thats not how things work - you have to be calm and deal with fatcs and all that shit. well sometimes you adopt a little bit of the craziness of the thing you are fighting against, on accident, because you just spend so much time reading about it.

    on the manning case, im guessing that you will realize the media has been fucking us over as usual. read the specific charges against him. 95% of it is bullshit that would never make it through a civilian courtroom -the government prosecutors would, for the most part, never bring such a bullshit insane bunch of charges. "computer espionage" for giving out the Collateral Murder video? yeah. never would fly in a courtroom. jury would throw that out in 15 seconds. and yet, people in sonorous tones tell us over and over the 'manning leak case' is the worst thing since fucking benedict arnold, and lives were at stake. No fucking lives were at stake over the collateral murder video - and saying that shit is going to get manning put away behind bars for a long time, but not just manning, his associates who were helping the wikileaks website --- know why? They are under a Grand Jury with Conspiracy to Commit Espionage. If he is convicted, then they can be convicted too.

    forgive my tone, but these people, trying to create this 'espionage culture', putting people in prison for gathering basic fatcs about the institutions and bureaucracies that we all pay for, and live under... they are the ones who are fucking insane. read the torture memos. Bush administration officials were fucking insane. read about the CDO industry. these are the fucking insane people. bankers, snorting coke off of prostitutes while they destroy the world economy.

    they make my little rant look like a reasoned, calm, rational person.

    i was hoping to start a 'tea party' of people who believe in free speech, i guess i am a bit too 'street nut' for that.

  49. admittedly by decora · · Score: 1

    its true.

    thanks for the advice.

  50. racist, hate-filled, ignorant, paranoid by decora · · Score: 1

    i encourage you to read it again, there is no racism, ignorance (except for the Hummer thing - totally blew it), or paranoia in there.

    hate? well, you got me on that one.

  51. Mazel Tov Slashdot! by Alimony+Pakhdan · · Score: 0

    Today I'm proud of Slashdot, I expected the majority of comments to go off into tin foil hat Jew hate and /ZOMG ISRAEL land but not so many did.

  52. Re:The Eternal Jew... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought that was the Freemasons.