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18-Year-Old Student Discovers Comet Break-Up

astroengine writes "It's an event that any professional astronomer would consider to be a once-in-a-lifetime discovery. But for one 18-year-old British student, witnessing the fragmentation of a comet she was studying became the highlight of a summer work experience program using the Faulkes Telescope Project. However, that was just the icing on the cake; Hannah Blyth of St. Johns College, Cardiff, also assisted in the discovery of over 20 previously unknown asteroids, two of which she discovered herself. It is extremely rare to spot a fragmenting comet, but for an amateur (let alone an 18-year-old student on work experience), this is an incredible achievement."

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  1. lucky person gets lucky by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    fair enough a once in a lifetime occurence
    it's presumably rare as hen's teeth to see, rather than requiring skill other than basic capability, its more luck
    i guess she's gonna wait a while for a another significant spotting, unless she's well ahead in the favour of lady luck
    good on her seeing something cool though

    1. Re:lucky person gets lucky by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Sounds to me like she pushed the shutter button and happened to capture something remarkable when analyzed by an expert.

      Apparently she not only took the photos but was also the one who first noticed something out of the ordinary, according to the first article. Of course she was lucky to be looking at the right patch of sky at the right moment. But luck is always part of the equation in this kind of discovery, and we do tend to make a point of mentioning who was looking. This shows that taking part makes a difference. That's pretty exciting.

    2. Re:lucky person gets lucky by Forty+Two+Tenfold · · Score: 2

      Yawn.

      No, WAKE UP!

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    3. Re:lucky person gets lucky by QuasiSteve · · Score: 2

      It is pretty exciting - not just for astronomers in general, but also (and especially) for her. If it fosters her interest in astronomy or just science in general even more, that is also very exciting. It's also exciting that this is one of many recent stories about young people making these discoveries - and part of that is because the barrier to entry has become pretty low.

      But what it isn't, is "an incredible achievement". This doesn't diminish the fact that she's the one that spotted it and should get all the credit she's due, but that should stand on its own without hyperbole.

      I'm sure she doesn't really care what words are used, though, and is perfectly excited regardless.

    4. Re:lucky person gets lucky by Gordonjcp · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Filling the young people who are just about to set off down their academic path with enthusiasm and excitement for all the Really Cool Things you get to do with science, obviously.

      Their investment paid off.

  2. GOOD FOR HER! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Good for her! This is what British science used to be about. The quest for knowledge and discovery is what once made the UK a scientific superpower. The neverending thirst for understanding that cannot be quenched. The burning desire to see further and deeper than has been seen before. The uncontainable urge to explore the unknown. The raging curiosity. The screaming need for enlightenment. The arousal of the inquisitive mind. The yearning for greater power of the mind. The want of all know-how. The needling pain of not knowing.

    It is because of these urges that we now know glorious names today, like Francis Bacon, Roger Bacon, Isaac Newton, Charles Darwin, James D. Watson, Francis Crick, and Alan Cox.

    1. Re:GOOD FOR HER! by houghi · · Score: 2

      Mmm. Bacon.

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    2. Re:GOOD FOR HER! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The predicates are implied. The GP used a construct that's common in British English, but relatively rare in American English. Take the third sentence and replace the "The quest for knowledge and discovery" part of it with the sentences that follow. You'll then get complete sentences like, "The neverending thirst for understanding that cannot be quenched is what once made the UK a scientific superpower." and "The burning desire to see further and deeper than has been seen before is what once made the UK a scientific superpower."

    3. Re:GOOD FOR HER! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The quest for knowledge and discovery is what once made the UK a scientific superpower.

      Also a healthy respect for the amateur scientist.

      I've been recently writing a paper about the early mathematical work on solitary waves - guys like Laplace, Lagrange, Russell, etc. A surprising number of them were "gentlemen of science" who did it for the love, and because that's what gentlemen of science did. They didn't have research grants or teaching posts. Well, Russell did get all of 300 pounds to study shallow water, and that was a lot at the time, but not when considering that naval power and maritime trade were so important. But a lot of them were just guys who maybe came from wealthy families and were into scientific stuff.

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  3. Very young people and astronomy by JoshuaZ · · Score: 4, Informative

    There seems to be a growing trend of young amateur astronomers. In 2009, Caroline Moore, a 14 year-old at the time became the youngest person to discover a supernova- http://www.astronomy.com/en/News-Observing/News/2009/06/Profile%20Youngest%20person%20to%20discover%20a%20supernova.aspx. She was then shortly thereafter surpassed by the 10-year old Kathryn Aurora Gray http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/04/girl-10-becomes-youngest-to-discover-supernova/ If one is at all old this thing starts to really make one feel unaccomplished by comparison.

    One thing you might notice is that all of these people are female. I tentatively don't think this is a coincidence but at the same time don't think this is a strong example of the growth of females in science (although it certainly should help inspire other young girls). There's been for a very long history of women astronomers. While the specific example prior to about 1850 there are isolated examples like Caroline Herschel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caroline_Herschel but in the second half of the 19th century a large number of women went into astronomy related work. Examples include Antonia Maury who did some of the first careful analysis and cataloging of stellar spectra http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonia_Maury and Annie Jump Cannon who followed on Maury's and others work making systematic the correlations between spectra, temperature and brightness, a crucial issue for trying to estimate the distance of any start that is more than a few hundred light years away http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annie_Jump_Cannon. And then you have Henrietta Swan Leavitt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henrietta_Swan_Leavitt who discovered Cepheid variable stars which allow one to extend distance estimates even farther, to outside our own galaxy. One thing that is important to notice is that a lot of these early female astronomers were doing work careful cataloging and classification work that was actually considered women's work and considered to be not that important by many. Thus, they got a lot less credit in their lifetimes than male astronomers. So at least that aspect has changed a lot.

    1. Re:Very young people and astronomy by JoshuaZ · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That doesn't make any sense. The people in question were the youngest to do what they've done, not the youngest females to do what they've done. There's a clear series of accomplishments here.

    2. Re:Very young people and astronomy by Will.Woodhull · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Young eyes are better at recognizing novel patterns than highly trained older eyes. As a person gains experience in a highly visual field like astronomy, they are more likely to regard something they had never seen before as a variant of what they already knew. A youngster to the field is more likely to bring the same image to someone else's attention: "What do you think this is? Could it be a Carolian snark?"

      Women in the US and I believe in Europe (and possibly across the entire human species) invest less ego in discovery activities than men do. Women are less likely to be anxious about making mistakes, and are therefore more likely to show unusual findings to more experienced persons.

      While many conclusions can be drawn from these two assertions, the obvious one is that observatories should actively recruit young, naive, nubile women to do all the night time work of taking the first look at all visual data. This would probably be the single most effective way in which astronomy could attract new males to its studies.

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    3. Re:Very young people and astronomy by Kagura · · Score: 2

      I think he's pointing out sexism he perceives elsewhere. He's not saying males need more representation, but rather that our society at large is more surprised when a female accomplishes these tasks.

      Also, a question for you: is it sexist to say that women aren't as strong as men or that women can't run as fast as men?

  4. Re:Having solved all other problems by JoshuaZ · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The cost of astronomy programs of this sort is actually tiny. The program in question uses a series of semi-automated or fully automated telescopes which are distributed around the world. Once the telescopes are constructed the marginal cost to keeping them running is small. Moreover, these telescopes are being used for other projects as well, such as imaging stars, looking for recent supernova, and careful imaging of supernova discovered by other means (such as the very recent very close supernova in M101). This sort of study helps give us a lot of fundamental knowledge. Data about comets and asteroids helps us find out in detail what the early solar system was like. Work with far away stars like Cepheid variables lets us map the farthest reaches of the universe. Imaging of supernova also contributes to that task but also allows us to test the laws of physics with fine precision, getting information about things like dark matter and the like. Given the high return rate of this sort of thing and the comparatively low cost, it definitely makes sense for the UK to spend money on this.

  5. Bart's comet? by walmass · · Score: 2
  6. She could tell the comet had broken up... by EnglishTim · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... it had set its Facebook status to 'single'.

  7. Somewhere, Maria Mitchell is smiling by dpbsmith · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Wikipedia's article on Maria Mitchell, who discovered "Miss Mitchell's Comet" in 1847, observing from the rooftop of her home in Nantucket.

  8. Re:Luck by WrongMonkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.

  9. Something strange in the article. by dannycim · · Score: 2

    FTA: Fragmentation in comets is rarely observed, but can occur when they are closest to the sun and develop spectacular tales of gas, dust and ice particles. The tale originates from the icy core (or nucleus), so when it heats up, vapor from sublimating ices are outgassed into space, dislodging dust and other material.

    Shouldn't that be "tails" and "tail", or some different definition of the word "tale" I wasn't previously aware of?

  10. Re:Luck by tsa · · Score: 2

    Yes but for the one who loses preparation still has met opportunity. Or something.

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